My eyesight isn't quite what it was, so I want a TV with a good sized
screen that doesn't dominate the room.

So when I saw the 40 inch Toshiba 40XF355D in Currys.digital with its
remarkable frame barely thicker than 2cm, I was very impressed.

I was not so impressed when I leant over it to look at the connections
down the back and caught its stream of hot air in my face.  It is not an
exaggeration to compare it with a convector heater, and it would be truly
unacceptable to be in the same room as the thing on a hot summer day. LCD
TVs are bad like this, but leaning over other TVs in the store showed me
that the 40XF355D was at least twice as bad as the 42 inchers.

Why the hell should LCD TVs be like that anyway?  My laptop that I'm
typing this on has an LCD screen and that's sealed and yet feels like
it's at room temperature.

Here's the spec for the 40XF355D.  All the specifications for the TV
proudly provided by Toshiba -- except, strangely enough, the power
consumption, which is marked TBC (to be confirmed, I presume).  Well, I
can confirm that it's a bloody disgrace, Mr. Toshiba.

http://tinyurl.com/6mtxmn

-- 
Dave Farrance

In article , Dave Farrance 
wrote:
> I was not so impressed when I leant over it to look at the connections
> down the back and caught its stream of hot air in my face.  It is not an
> exaggeration to compare it with a convector heater, and it would be truly
> unacceptable to be in the same room as the thing on a hot summer day.
[...]
> Here's the spec for the 40XF355D.  All the specifications for the TV
> proudly provided by Toshiba -- except, strangely enough, the power
> consumption, which is marked TBC (to be confirmed, I presume).

TBC = To Be Convenientlyglossedover.

Rod.
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>> Toshiba -- except, strangely enough, the power consumption, which is
>> marked TBC (to be confirmed, I presume).
>
> TBC = To Be Convenientlyglossedover.
>
> Rod.

I think it might be that Toshiba have to wait for measurement in the UK. 
There is a figure quoted by various non-UK retailers: 243 Watts at 
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=346452&view=detailed, 
http://eurolink.eu/en/toshiba-40xf355d
 and 
http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_Toshiba_40XF355D-40''-REGZA-XF-Series-LCD-TV-widescreen-1080p-(FullHD)-HD-ready-silver,-piano-black__16468_en.html?language=en

-- 
Robin

"neverwas"  wrote:

>I think it might be that Toshiba have to wait for measurement in the UK. 
>There is a figure quoted by various non-UK retailers: 243 Watts at 
>http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=346452&view=detailed, 
>http://eurolink.eu/en/toshiba-40xf355d
> and 
>http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_Toshiba_40XF355D-40''-REGZA-XF-Series-LCD-TV-widescreen-1080p-(FullHD)-HD-ready-silver,-piano-black__16468_en.html?language=en

There's no reason, legal or otherwise, for them to wait if it's the same
model.  243W seems far to low for the amount of heat that it was pumping
out in Currys.digital.  It's more likely that the figure got withdrawn
because it was found to be wrong, or it only applied to early models (as
is often the case with specifications), and it was too embarrassing to
replace it with the correct figure.

-- 
Dave Farrance

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:45:37 GMT, Dave Farrance
 wrote:

> So when I saw the 40 inch Toshiba 40XF355D in Currys.digital with its
> remarkable frame barely thicker than 2cm, I was very impressed.
> 
> I was not so impressed when I leant over it to look at the connections
> down the back and caught its stream of hot air in my face.  It is not an
> exaggeration to compare it with a convector heater, and it would be truly
> unacceptable to be in the same room as the thing on a hot summer day.

Went into the local PC World the other, moderately warm, day  -  it
was like an oven.  It crossed my mind to ask them why they'd got the
heating on, but instead I asked: "Why is it so hot in here?"  The
replay made me glad I'd asked that question and not the one that first
crossed my mind: "Because of the machines, computers, TVs, etc ... we
don't have air-conditioning in here!"

> LCD
> TVs are bad like this, but leaning over other TVs in the store showed me
> that the 40XF355D was at least twice as bad as the 42 inchers.

Really?  My understanding, and experience of the first, is that they
are better than CRTs and Plasmas in that respect.

Panasonic TX-15LT2 15" LCD: Use 49W, Standby 4W
Sony KV-16WT1U 14" CRT: Use 52W, Standby ??

Dave Farrance wrote:
> "neverwas"  wrote:
>
>> I think it might be that Toshiba have to wait for measurement in the
>> UK. There is a figure quoted by various non-UK retailers: 243 Watts
>> at http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=346452&view=detailed,
>> http://eurolink.eu/en/toshiba-40xf355d
>> and
>> http://www.pc-look.com/boutik/Prod_Toshiba_40XF355D-40''-REGZA-XF-Series-LCD-TV-widescreen-1080p-(FullHD)-HD-ready-silver,-piano-black__16468_en.html?language=en
>
> There's no reason, legal or otherwise, for them to wait if it's the
> same model.  243W seems far to low for the amount of heat that it was
> pumping out in Currys.digital.  It's more likely that the figure got
> withdrawn because it was found to be wrong, or it only applied to
> early models (as is often the case with specifications), and it was
> too embarrassing to replace it with the correct figure.

I don't know all the law and practice (including Toshiba in-house 
practice) on such things.  But if you are right then Toshiba are as 
inefficient as you believe their TVs to be since they are quoting the 
figure of 243W on their official German site - 
http://www.toshiba.de/consumer/files/product_sheets/40xf355d.pdf.

Might it just be that 243W is quite enough to generate a good flow of 
warm air on a warm day inb a warm shop?



-- 
Robin

...snip...
> Why the hell should LCD TVs be like that anyway?  My laptop that I'm
> typing this on has an LCD screen and that's sealed and yet feels like
> it's at room temperature.

It's probably nothing to do with the LCD.  It's the processor and other 
hardware inside that does the processing.  If you look at your laptop, 
you'll probably find some vents through which the fans are pumping warmish 
air to cool the processor.

Now put a DVD into your portable, let it run for a while and then check the 
temperature coming out - a lot more I'll bet because rendering DVDs (or 
Freeview) takes a lot of processing.  Now add properly upscaling and/or 
handling HD (was this the Freesat TV?) and the temperature keeps rising.

I work for a firm of computer programmers and there's a reason I refer to my 
PC (pentium 4 based) as a "room heater".

Paul DS

"neverwas"  wrote in message 
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> Dave Farrance wrote:
> Might it just be that 243W is quite enough to generate a good flow of warm 
> air on a warm day inb a warm shop?

I have a greenhouse heater rated at 120W under my desk, and it feels really 
warm under there when it's on. I have two 80W greenhouse heaters in my 
motorhome shower/toilet and they warm it up a treat.

I lit my gas ring in my work van the other day and because the sun was on it 
I thought it had blown out, so I put my hand over it to confirm this. In 
fact it hadn't blown out. I now have no hairs on the back of my left hand.

Bill

"Paul D.Smith"  wrote in message 
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> Now put a DVD into your portable, let it run for a while and then check 
> the temperature coming out - a lot more I'll bet because rendering DVDs 
> (or Freeview) takes a lot of processing.  Now add properly upscaling 
> and/or handling HD (was this the Freesat TV?) and the temperature keeps 
> rising.

I have an Alpine radio/CD player and when I take a disk out you could fry an 
egg on it (well, a blackbird's egg probably because CDs are really too small 
for a hen's egg).

My Sony DAB radio/CD player, however, actually cools the discs down to 0deg 
C, and when I take them out, if the music has not been to my taste I can 
snap the disc into pieces due to its brittleness and push the segments up my 
arse to cool my haemorrhoids. This also has the purpose of helping me 
express my feelings about the artiste.

Bill

...snip...

> I have an Alpine radio/CD player and when I take a disk out you could fry 
> an egg on it (well, a blackbird's egg probably because CDs are really too 
> small for a hen's egg).
>

Different problem to the TV.  Lots of relatively simple electronics in a 
small, confined space (I presume the Alpine is a car system).

You're obviously better at snapping CDs than me.  I get sharp edges which 
would be far from soothing ;-)

Paul DS.

On 10/08/2008 13:20, Dave Farrance wrote:

> 243W seems far to low for the amount of heat that it was pumping
> out in Currys.digital.  It's more likely that the figure got withdrawn
> because it was found to be wrong, or it only applied to early models (as
> is often the case with specifications), and it was too embarrassing to
> replace it with the correct figure.

I have one of these and yes, you can feel a reasonable flow of heat out 
of the vents, but I'd rather that than it cook its own innards, I 
measured it with a cheapo "Maplin-type" power meter after it had warmed 
up and it was consuming <170W.

Perhaps the shop had the backlight on the factory setting which IIRC was 
full-wick, I have it turned to just over 50%, sorry but I didn't feel 
like fiddling with the settings of it just to measure the effects.

On 12/08/2008 00:15, Bill Wright wrote:

> I now have no hairs on the back of my left hand.

But what about the palms, eh?

"Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
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> On 12/08/2008 00:15, Bill Wright wrote:
>
>> I now have no hairs on the back of my left hand.
>
> But what about the palms, eh?

Oh they're alright. There was a boy at school who had a hair on his bell 
end. It's supposed to be impossible because it isn't skin there, but 
nevertheless he had. I don't know what he did about it.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
> news:U4adnWuX5ebMUjrV4p2dnAA@posted.plusnet...
>> On 12/08/2008 00:15, Bill Wright wrote:
>>
>>> I now have no hairs on the back of my left hand.
>>
>> But what about the palms, eh?
>
> Oh they're alright. There was a boy at school who had a hair on his bell 
> end. It's supposed to be impossible because it isn't skin there, but 
> nevertheless he had. I don't know what he did about it.
>
> Bill
>
I bet the girls were tickled pink.....

"Vic"  wrote in message 
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>> Oh they're alright. There was a boy at school who had a hair on his bell 
>> end. It's supposed to be impossible because it isn't skin there, but 
>> nevertheless he had. I don't know what he did about it.
>>
>> Bill
>>
> I bet the girls were tickled pink.....

It was a boys' school. Say no more . . .

Bill