Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.

As mentioned in the Wiki page here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television

"Boxer DTT Ireland, tentative start date is January in 2009 in Ireland
[1]. Standards chosen are MPEG4/H.264 and DVB-T. Boxer_TV_Access has a
50% holding in Boxer Ireland.However is is expected that this start date
will be deferred to September 2009 to faciliate joint co-ordinated DTT
Free-to-air and commercial DTT launches."

From what I heard on the radio news - Boxer will offer a mux of PPV
channels, but the Govt spokesman wouldn't be drawn on the price of STBs.
Apparently the system chosen is the same as used in France and Sweden.
I think there's something slightly fishy - why not just use the same
standards as the UK? But no, that would mean thousands of people here
could just pick up UK Freesat boxes for next to nothing and rob the
opportunity for a company here to make millions from a captive market.
-- 

Dave

On 31/07/2008 13:52, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

> Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.

Yes, it was mentioned here a couple of days ago.

> I think there's something slightly fishy - why not just use the same
> standards as the UK? 

Because that wouldn't give them the more efficient MPEG4 compression 
(will they use it for quantity or quality?)

> But no, that would mean thousands of people here
> could just pick up UK Freesat boxes for next to nothing and rob the
> opportunity for a company here to make millions from a captive market.

As you said they're using boxes already used by a different market 
(France/Sweden rather than UK) so it's not captive.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Burns
 saying something like:

>On 31/07/2008 13:52, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>
>> Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.
>
>Yes, it was mentioned here a couple of days ago.

Only in passing as the end of the trial.

>> I think there's something slightly fishy - why not just use the same
>> standards as the UK? 
>
>Because that wouldn't give them the more efficient MPEG4 compression 
>(will they use it for quantity or quality?)

Have a bet. I see the point of it being relatively future-proof as
beding able to carry HD, but I can see it being abused simply to carry
more and more channels of crap.

>> But no, that would mean thousands of people here
>> could just pick up UK Freesat boxes for next to nothing and rob the
>> opportunity for a company here to make millions from a captive market.
>
>As you said they're using boxes already used by a different market 
>(France/Sweden rather than UK) so it's not captive.

But not easily accessible used markets for techno gear; France not so
bad, but have you tried to buy anything from an online Swedish site?

As it turns out, Denis O'Brien is a major stakeholder in Boxer. What a
surprise. I can still smell fish.
-- 

Dave

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Grimly Curmudgeon
 saying something like:

>UK Freesat

Brainfart - Freeview.
-- 

Dave

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.
> 
It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock that 
RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting for 
DVB-2T seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till next year.

Do you think an MPEG-4 CAM will work?

-- 

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www.glennmillar.plus.com

I'm sure in the future, if not already, the chippery in all these systems 
support all systems and its how they are configured by software which 
dictates what they do.

Brian

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"Grimly Curmudgeon"  wrote in message 
news:g6sci6$18t$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.
>
> As mentioned in the Wiki page here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television
>
> "Boxer DTT Ireland, tentative start date is January in 2009 in Ireland
> [1]. Standards chosen are MPEG4/H.264 and DVB-T. Boxer_TV_Access has a
> 50% holding in Boxer Ireland.However is is expected that this start date
> will be deferred to September 2009 to faciliate joint co-ordinated DTT
> Free-to-air and commercial DTT launches."
>
> From what I heard on the radio news - Boxer will offer a mux of PPV
> channels, but the Govt spokesman wouldn't be drawn on the price of STBs.
> Apparently the system chosen is the same as used in France and Sweden.
> I think there's something slightly fishy - why not just use the same
> standards as the UK? But no, that would mean thousands of people here
> could just pick up UK Freesat boxes for next to nothing and rob the
> opportunity for a company here to make millions from a captive market.
> -- 
>
> Dave

Glenn Millar wrote:

> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock that 
> RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting for 
> DVB-2T seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till next year.

The -T2 standard hasn't been out in final form for long.  It would be a 
bit optimistic to assume that modulators and working receiver silicon 
will be available in time for a start in 2009.

While we're on the subject:

- what's the plan re. UHF spectrum in Ireland?  Will the same 14 
channels be 'released' as for the UK, leaving the band as ch. 21-30 and 
41-62?

- am I right in thinking that Irish DTT will be all UHF - i.e. no Band 
III.  If so what plans are there for Band III?  DAB?

- any plans for terrestrial HD?

-- 
Andy

"Glenn Millar"  wrote in message 
news:kpWdnSUYKpJEZgzVRVnytAA@posted.plusnet...
> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>> Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.
>>
> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock that 
> RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting for DVB-2T 
> seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till next year.
>
> Do you think an MPEG-4 CAM will work?
> Glenn Millar - TV Aerials
>
>
What does it matter? The Irish will watch what they already are, Astra 2

Steve Terry

Andy Wade wrote:
> Glenn Millar wrote:
> 
>> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock 
>> that RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting 
>> for DVB-2T seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till 
>> next year.
> 
> The -T2 standard hasn't been out in final form for long.  It would be a 
> bit optimistic to assume that modulators and working receiver silicon 
> will be available in time for a start in 2009.

However, that's exactly what Ofcom are hoping for here for the new improved 
PSB-3 mux.

[snip]
> 
> - any plans for terrestrial HD?

Good question, though to date neither RTE or TV3 have shown any interest in 
equipping themselves for HD capability.


-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Mark Carver wrote:
> Andy Wade wrote:
>> Glenn Millar wrote:
>>
>>> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock 
>>> that RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting 
>>> for DVB-2T seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till 
>>> next year.
>>
>> The -T2 standard hasn't been out in final form for long.  It would be 
>> a bit optimistic to assume that modulators and working receiver 
>> silicon will be available in time for a start in 2009.
> 
> However, that's exactly what Ofcom are hoping for here for the new 
> improved PSB-3 mux.
> 
> [snip]
>>
>> - any plans for terrestrial HD?
> 
> Good question, though to date neither RTE or TV3 have shown any interest 
> in equipping themselves for HD capability.
> 
> 
http://www.irish-tv.com/digital.asp

Will give you some of the info your looking.

Irish DTT also plans to broadcast at between 50 and 100kW to allow for 
increased reception on set-top aerials. The origional plan was to allow 
for return path as well.

RTE where also conducting HD tests for the past several months.

"Usenet"  wrote in message 
news:RbOdnQWqsaqUtw7VnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Mark Carver wrote:
>> Andy Wade wrote:
>>> Glenn Millar wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock that 
>>>> RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting for 
>>>> DVB-2T seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till next 
>>>> year.
>>>
>>> The -T2 standard hasn't been out in final form for long.  It would be a 
>>> bit optimistic to assume that modulators and working receiver silicon 
>>> will be available in time for a start in 2009.
>>
>> However, that's exactly what Ofcom are hoping for here for the new 
>> improved PSB-3 mux.
>>
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> - any plans for terrestrial HD?
>>
>> Good question, though to date neither RTE or TV3 have shown any interest 
>> in equipping themselves for HD capability.
>>
>>
> http://www.irish-tv.com/digital.asp
>
> Will give you some of the info your looking.
>
> Irish DTT also plans to broadcast at between 50 and 100kW to allow for 
> increased reception on set-top aerials. The origional plan was to allow 
> for return path as well.
>
> RTE where also conducting HD tests for the past several months.

Are RTE introducing DAB as well?
>

"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
news:g6tdqa$d8v$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Glenn Millar"  wrote in message 
> news:kpWdnSUYKpJEZgzVRVnytAA@posted.plusnet...
>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>> Announced today, to use MPEG-4 for FTA.
>>>
>> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock that 
>> RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting for DVB-2T 
>> seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till next year.
>>
>> Do you think an MPEG-4 CAM will work?
>> Glenn Millar - TV Aerials
>>
>>
> What does it matter? The Irish will watch what they already are, Astra 2
>






i hear they have channels which are like porn channels, but instead of naked 
women there's just endless shots of potatoes while fiddle music plays.



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

Commander Gideon wrote:
> "Usenet"  wrote in message 
> news:RbOdnQWqsaqUtw7VnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>> Andy Wade wrote:
>>>> Glenn Millar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's been generally discussed since 12th June. Not exactly a shock that 
>>>>> RTE will be using MPEG-4. But using just DVT-T and not waiting for 
>>>>> DVB-2T seems strange since rollout for RTE DTT won't start till next 
>>>>> year.
>>>> The -T2 standard hasn't been out in final form for long.  It would be a 
>>>> bit optimistic to assume that modulators and working receiver silicon 
>>>> will be available in time for a start in 2009.
>>> However, that's exactly what Ofcom are hoping for here for the new 
>>> improved PSB-3 mux.
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>> - any plans for terrestrial HD?
>>> Good question, though to date neither RTE or TV3 have shown any interest 
>>> in equipping themselves for HD capability.
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.irish-tv.com/digital.asp
>>
>> Will give you some of the info your looking.
>>
>> Irish DTT also plans to broadcast at between 50 and 100kW to allow for 
>> increased reception on set-top aerials. The origional plan was to allow 
>> for return path as well.
>>
>> RTE where also conducting HD tests for the past several months.
> 
> Are RTE introducing DAB as well?
> 
> 
Yes they are...

http://www.rtenl.ie/index.asp

Right click to stop the scroller...

-- 

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www.glennmillar.plus.com

"The dog from that film you saw"  wrote
in news:6fgppsFbh5neU1@mid.individual.net: 

> 
> i hear they have channels which are like porn channels, but instead of
> naked women there's just endless shots of potatoes while fiddle music
> plays. 
> 
> 
> 

Racist.

"PeterW"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AEDB0E3CDCFBPeterWpublic@192.168.1.250...
> "The dog from that film you saw"  wrote
> in news:6fgppsFbh5neU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>> i hear they have channels which are like porn channels, but instead of
>> naked women there's just endless shots of potatoes while fiddle music
>> plays.

There is a lot of rural Ireland that is about 100 years in the past!

"PeterW"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AEDB0E3CDCFBPeterWpublic@192.168.1.250...
> "The dog from that film you saw"  wrote
> in news:6fgppsFbh5neU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>> i hear they have channels which are like porn channels, but instead of
>> naked women there's just endless shots of potatoes while fiddle music
>> plays.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Racist.
>


actually i'm the same race as the irish - white.
it's ok to mock your own race - it's self effacement.



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

Commander Gideon wrote:

> There is a lot of rural Ireland that is about 100 years in the past!

Which parts exactly?

Commander Gideon  wrote:

> Are RTE introducing DAB as well?

They already have.

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Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "The dog from that film you saw"
 saying something like:

>i hear they have channels which are like porn channels, but instead of naked 
>women there's just endless shots of potatoes while fiddle music plays.

Can you get RTE 1 over there?
-- 

Dave

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember PeterW
 saying something like:

>"The dog from that film you saw"  wrote
>in news:6fgppsFbh5neU1@mid.individual.net: 
>
>> 
>> i hear they have channels which are like porn channels, but instead of
>> naked women there's just endless shots of potatoes while fiddle music
>> plays. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>Racist.

Oh please, if you're going to bandy words like 'racist' about, please
use them accurately.
-- 

Dave

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Brian Gaff"
 saying something like:

>I'm sure in the future, if not already, the chippery in all these systems 
>support all systems and its how they are configured by software which 
>dictates what they do.

Seems sensible to me - but that would rob the makers of the opportunity
of periodically selling boxes to upgrade the receiving public.
-- 

Dave

I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some 
pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
and click on Aerial Lingus.

All comments welcome.

Bill

In message , Bill Wright 
 writes
>I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some
>pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
>http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
>and click on Aerial Lingus.
>
>All comments welcome.
>
>Bill

I see you've included my Keeper Hill photos (No. 15). Thanks.
-- 
Ian

Bill Wright wrote:
> I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some 
> pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
> http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
> and click on Aerial Lingus.
> 
> All comments welcome.
> 
> Bill 
> 
> 
Thankfully Irish transmitters broadcast towards the north more than the 
UK transmitters do towards the Irish Republic.

Simpler installations up here.

Was informed the other day that specially grouped diplexers are getting 
less common and less cost affective to make. For example, the Triax 
TMS5052 diplexer is being discontinued. How long till Fringe and Televes 
follow suit with their equivalents. (Hate the Televes ones).

We use Diplexers on just about every install.

-- 

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www.glennmillar.plus.com

"Ian Jackson"  wrote in message 
news:KsKAQgDPyqlIFwRe@g3ohx.demon.co.uk...
> In message , Bill Wright 
>  writes
>>I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some
>>pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
>>http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
>>and click on Aerial Lingus.
>>
>>All comments welcome.
>>
>>Bill
>
> I see you've included my Keeper Hill photos (No. 15). Thanks.

It's me that should say thanks.

Bill

In article <g74rof$jkb$3@registered.motzarella.org>, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> >I'm sure in the future, if not already, the chippery in all these systems 
> >support all systems and its how they are configured by software which 
> >dictates what they do.
> 
> Seems sensible to me - but that would rob the makers of the opportunity
> of periodically selling boxes to upgrade the receiving public.

Deceiving the receiving, you might say.

Rod.
-- 
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

In message , Bill Wright 
 writes
>
>"Ian Jackson"  wrote in message
>news:KsKAQgDPyqlIFwRe@g3ohx.demon.co.uk...
>> In message , Bill Wright
>>  writes
>>>I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some
>>>pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
>>>http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
>>>and click on Aerial Lingus.
>>>
>>>All comments welcome.
>>>
>>>Bill
>>
>> I see you've included my Keeper Hill photos (No. 15). Thanks.
>
>It's me that should say thanks.
>
>Bill

OK. I'll take it back.
-- 
Ian

In message , Ian Jackson 
 writes
>In message , Bill Wright 
> writes
>>
>>"Ian Jackson"  wrote in message
>>news:KsKAQgDPyqlIFwRe@g3ohx.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message , Bill Wright
>>>  writes
>>>>I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some
>>>>pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
>>>>http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
>>>>and click on Aerial Lingus.
>>>>
>>>>All comments welcome.
>>>>
>>>>Bill
>>>
>>> I see you've included my Keeper Hill photos (No. 15). Thanks.
>>
>>It's me that should say thanks.
>>
>>Bill
>
>OK. I'll take it back.

But I should have added that I do like the photos. In particular, the 
Irish showed great ingenuity in getting TV - especially the illegal 
relaying of the UK signals. It was surprising the places where they 
managed to get TV reception. Sadly, most of this is now a dead art.
-- 
Ian

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:41:47 +0100, Glenn Millar
 wrote:

>Bill Wright wrote:
>> I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some 
>> pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
>> http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
>> and click on Aerial Lingus.
>> 
>> All comments welcome.
>> 
>> Bill 
>> 
>> 
>Thankfully Irish transmitters broadcast towards the north more than the 
>UK transmitters do towards the Irish Republic.
>
>Simpler installations up here.
>
>Was informed the other day that specially grouped diplexers are getting 
>less common and less cost affective to make. For example, the Triax 
>TMS5052 diplexer is being discontinued. How long till Fringe and Televes 
>follow suit with their equivalents. (Hate the Televes ones).
>
>We use Diplexers on just about every install.

I have a Televes diplexer somewhere and it's a horrible thing to wire
up.  It's just pot luck if the screw terminal grips the wire or not.
I found it easier to take the whole thing apart, then wire it up and
put it back together again.

Marky P.

Marky P wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:41:47 +0100, Glenn Millar
>  wrote:
> 
>> Bill Wright wrote:
>>> I suppose this is as good a moment as any to mention that I have some 
>>> pictures of Irish TV aerials on my website. Go to
>>> http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/index.html
>>> and click on Aerial Lingus.
>>>
>>> All comments welcome.
>>>
>>> Bill 
>>>
>>>
>> Thankfully Irish transmitters broadcast towards the north more than the 
>> UK transmitters do towards the Irish Republic.
>>
>> Simpler installations up here.
>>
>> Was informed the other day that specially grouped diplexers are getting 
>> less common and less cost affective to make. For example, the Triax 
>> TMS5052 diplexer is being discontinued. How long till Fringe and Televes 
>> follow suit with their equivalents. (Hate the Televes ones).
>>
>> We use Diplexers on just about every install.
> 
> I have a Televes diplexer somewhere and it's a horrible thing to wire
> up.  It's just pot luck if the screw terminal grips the wire or not.
> I found it easier to take the whole thing apart, then wire it up and
> put it back together again.
> 
> Marky P.
> 
They are prone to failure when using with a masthead amplifier between 
the diplexer and the aerial. They for some reason can after a few years 
in service start drawing current themselves causing the PSU to become 
overloaded and shutting down.

-- 

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www.glennmillar.plus.com