I've been thinking about having a new "digital aerial" installed, but 
then thought about Freesat.

I looked at Sky Freesat and Pay-Once-Watch-For-Ever:

http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/default.aspx

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. It seems that Freesat gives you 200+ TV channels and costs £150.

2. It seems that Pay-Once-Watch-For-Ever gives you 200+ channels and 
costs half as much.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why should I go to Freesat? As long as I remember to gives one-month's 
notice of cancellation of the Sky mix, surely POWFE is the way to go?

Or what have I missed?

Also, what is this "standard Sky box" they talk about? I have a legacy 
analog TV with a set-top box to watch Freeview. Assuming the output from 
the Sky box is digital, will that then plug into the STB?

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"Ian"  wrote in message 
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>
> Or what have I missed?

Well you seem mixed up with the names and systems.

Freesat is from the BBC/ITV on its EPG about 80 stations.
There are SD and HD boxes.
HD about £150 plus £80 for dish installed.
SD I think about £100 cheaper.
Not all shops sell it and those that do like Currys/Comet not really 
interested in selling.
But some of these boxes will tune in the 200 'ish other free stations which 
a Sky box will recieve, but the Sky EPG not recieved.

Now Sky offer a free from Sky for £150 SD box,  dish and install, this is 
from Sky themselves, some thing like 300 to 400 stations.

But Argos, Currys and maybe others have for £75 the above plus 3 or 4 months 
of a few subscription stations included.  Within this period if you cancel 
the subsciption stations you got the free from Sky for £75.   If you not 
cancel you start to pay £19 per month.


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David

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On 2008-07-18, Ian  wrote:
> http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/default.aspx
> 1. It seems that Freesat gives you 200+ TV channels and costs £150.
> 2. It seems that Pay-Once-Watch-For-Ever gives you 200+ channels and 
> costs half as much.
> Why should I go to Freesat? As long as I remember to gives one-month's 
> notice of cancellation of the Sky mix, surely POWFE is the way to go?

They are betting that a substantial proportion of people will either
forget to cancel, or decide they want to continue paying for the extra
channels. I can't imagine they expect anyone to choose the standard
freesat package, but it makes the Pay Once once look better value.

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Ian>
<Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:23:11 +0100>


> Also, what is this "standard Sky box" they talk about? I have a legacy 
> analog TV with a set-top box to watch Freeview. Assuming the output from 
> the Sky box is digital, will that then plug into the STB?
> 

Apart from dave/ftn/virgin1 - you wont need to use your freeview box 
anymore as almost every channel on your freeview box can be viewed via 
the sky freesat box .

If your tv has 2 scart sockets - then you can still have both plugged in 
and can toggle between the 2 different system by pressing the AV button 
on your tv remote control .


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(sky freesat channel listing)

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Paul Murray>
<18 Jul 2008 15:53:51 GMT>
<4880bc8f$0$5221$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>

> They are betting that a substantial proportion of people will either
> forget to cancel, or decide they want to continue paying for the extra
> channels. I can't imagine they expect anyone to choose the standard
> freesat package, but it makes the Pay Once once look better value.
> 

The £75 option also requires the sky box to be plugged into the phone 
line for a year .


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From: David 
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 16:45:39

>Well you seem mixed up with the names and systems.
>
Really? I was specifically talking about Sky offerings, and I used the 
names they listed on their site.


>Freesat is from the BBC/ITV on its EPG about 80 stations.

I'm not talking about BBC/ITV Freesat. I'm talking about Sky Freesat.


>There are SD and HD boxes.
>HD about £150 plus £80 for dish installed.
>SD I think about £100 cheaper.
>Not all shops sell it and those that do like Currys/Comet not really 
>interested in selling.
>But some of these boxes will tune in the 200 'ish other free stations 
>which a Sky box will recieve, but the Sky EPG not recieved.

I'm not talking about BBC/ITV Freesat. I'm talking about Sky Freesat.


>
>Now Sky offer a free from Sky for £150 SD box,  dish and install, this 
>is from Sky themselves

AIUI, this is the Sky Freesat offering I was talking about.

>, some thing like 300 to 400 stations.

According to the Sky Freesat site, they say 200+ channels. Are you 
talking about the same thing?

>
>But Argos, Currys and maybe others have for £75 the above plus 3 or 4 
>months of a few subscription stations included.

Is this the same as the Sky POWFE offering I mentioned?


>Within this period if you cancel the subsciption stations you got the 
>free from Sky for £75.   If you not cancel you start to pay £19 per 
>month.
>
>

-- 
Ian

From: Krustov 
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 16:57:38

>Apart from dave/ftn/virgin1

Que?


>- you wont need to use your freeview box
>anymore as almost every channel on your freeview box can be viewed via
>the sky freesat box .

But how do I plug the Sky Freesat box into my analog TV? Via a SCART 
connection?

-- 
Ian

From: Krustov 
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 16:58:48

>
>The £75 option also requires the sky box to be plugged into the phone
>line for a year .
>
>
I didn't see any mention of a telephone line. What is it used for?

I am on Virgin cable -- will that do, or do I have to have a BT line as 
well?

-- 
Ian

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Ian>
<Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:19:56 퍝>
<BzYvu᫂貀腰@ntlworld.com>

> >The £75 option also requires the sky box to be plugged into the phone
> >line for a year .
> >
> >
> I didn't see any mention of a telephone line. What is it used for?
> 

Obviously sky monitors your viewing habits to see if you watch any of 
the porno channels :-))


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Ian wrote:
> From: Krustov 
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 16:57:38
> 
>> Apart from dave/ftn/virgin1
> 
> Que?

Those three channels are not available via Sky Freesat, but they are on 
terrestrial Freeview.

> But how do I plug the Sky Freesat box into my analog TV? Via a SCART 
> connection?

Yes. It's a digital receiver, but it outputs its signal in analogue form via 
the Scart connectors.


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> I'm not talking about BBC/ITV Freesat. I'm talking about Sky Freesat.

Ah!  You've confused everyone by using the wrong terminology.  Read and 
digest this:

"Freesat" is the name of the BBC/ITV offering.

"Freesat from Sky" is the name of the Sky offering.

Note the full title of the latter, and also note how it is NOT called "Sky 
Freesat"!  See how it is always given its full title on Sky's website.

Anyway, POWF is just a marketing variation of Freesat from Sky.  By giving 
you four Sky mixes they hope to hook you into their subscription service. 
Hence they'll take a punt on a reduced installation fee.

SteveT

"Steve Thackery"  wrote in message 
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>> I'm not talking about BBC/ITV Freesat. I'm talking about Sky Freesat.
>

> By giving you four Sky mixes they hope to hook you into their subscription 
> service.

> Hence they'll take a punt on a reduced installation fee.
>

Judging by the amount of junk mail I still receive from them they obviously 
haven't forgotten that I was a subscriber to their original 16 channel 
offering back in 1990!

> SteveT

From: Steve Thackery 
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 19:37:24

>Ah!  You've confused everyone by using the wrong terminology.  Read and 
>digest this:
>
>"Freesat" is the name of the BBC/ITV offering.
>
>"Freesat from Sky" is the name of the Sky offering.
>
>Note the full title of the latter, and also note how it is NOT called 
>"Sky Freesat"!  See how it is always given its full title on Sky's 
>website.

I consider myself roundly castigated! I won't let it happen again.


>
>Anyway, POWF is just a marketing variation of Freesat from Sky.  By 
>giving you four Sky mixes they hope to hook you into their subscription 
>service. Hence they'll take a punt on a reduced installation fee.
>

Understood.

Now can someone tell me if/why I would also need a telephone line with 
POWF and/or "Freesat from Sky", and whether my Virginmedia line will 
suffice. I have no intention of subscribing to any Sky services.

-- 
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<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Ian>
<Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:15 +0100>
<bD3pSRNTrOgIFwY$@ntlworld.com>

> Now can someone tell me if/why I would also need a telephone line with 
> POWF and/or "Freesat from Sky", and whether my Virginmedia line will 
> suffice. I have no intention of subscribing to any Sky services.
> 

Your virgin line will be fine .

When you phone sky to arrange the install - they ask you near the end of 
the process if you have any questions you want to ask .

..... i have the feeling they are going to love you :-))


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Now can someone tell me if/why I would also need a telephone line with
POWF and/or "Freesat from Sky", and whether my Virginmedia line will
suffice. I have no intention of subscribing to any Sky services.

OK, go to the Freesat from Sky web site, google for it.
Go to FAQ read this

Q: Apart from a TV, what other equipment do I need?
A: An engineer from Sky will provide you with all the equipment you'll need 
on the date of installation: a standard Sky box, a mini-dish, a remote 
control and a Freesat from Sky viewing card - the same equipment as our Sky 
TV subscribers. Standard installation of your equipment is also included.



NOTE no mention of you needing a telephone line.

so why ask if Virgin will do?

Regards,
David

Please reply to News Group

Ian wrote:
> From: Steve Thackery 
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 19:37:24
>
>> Ah!  You've confused everyone by using the wrong terminology.  Read
>> and digest this:
>>
>> "Freesat" is the name of the BBC/ITV offering.
>>
>> "Freesat from Sky" is the name of the Sky offering.
>>
>> Note the full title of the latter, and also note how it is NOT called
>> "Sky Freesat"!  See how it is always given its full title on Sky's
>> website.
>
> I consider myself roundly castigated! I won't let it happen again.
>
>
>>
>> Anyway, POWF is just a marketing variation of Freesat from Sky.  By
>> giving you four Sky mixes they hope to hook you into their
>> subscription service. Hence they'll take a punt on a reduced
>> installation fee.
>
> Understood.
>
> Now can someone tell me if/why I would also need a telephone line with
> POWF and/or "Freesat from Sky", and whether my Virginmedia line will
> suffice. I have no intention of subscribing to any Sky services.

Yes, a Virgin phone line is fine.
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

From: Krustov 
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008   Time: 20:33:21
>
>Your virgin line will be fine .

Yeahbut, why do I need a telephone line at all? I want to receive TV and 
radio programs from their satellite, I don't want anything else from 
them. Is the Sky box connected to the telephone line for some reason?


>
>When you phone sky to arrange the install - they ask you near the end of
>the process if you have any questions you want to ask .
>
>..... i have the feeling they are going to love you :-))
>
>

Tee hee!

-- 
Ian

On 2008-07-18, David  wrote:
>> Now can someone tell me if/why I would also need a telephone line with
>> POWF and/or "Freesat from Sky", and whether my Virginmedia line will
>> suffice. I have no intention of subscribing to any Sky services.
>
> OK, go to the Freesat from Sky web site, google for it.
> Go to FAQ read this
>
> Q: Apart from a TV, what other equipment do I need?
> A: An engineer from Sky will provide you with all the equipment you'll need 
> on the date of installation: a standard Sky box, a mini-dish, a remote 
> control and a Freesat from Sky viewing card - the same equipment as our Sky 
> TV subscribers. Standard installation of your equipment is also included.

>
> NOTE no mention of you needing a telephone line.
>
> so why ask if Virgin will do?

Because someone on this group told him he needed one.

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Paul Murray>
<18 Jul 2008 22:05:35 GMT>
<488113a8$0$26023$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>

> > NOTE no mention of you needing a telephone line.
> >
> > so why ask if Virgin will do?
> 
> Because someone on this group told him he needed one.
> 

When i phoned sky to order the £150 deal - they asked if i wanted the 
£75 deal and mentioned that the sky box being connected to the phone 
line for a minimum of one year was part of the terms and conditions .

I told them no i wasnt interested - as i assumed they would also have 
wanted my bank details to setup a direct debit - even if you tell them 
your going to cancel before the 4 months is up .

I like sky freesat - its sky itself i dont trust :-)


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From: Krustov 
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008   Time: 00:04:54

>When i phoned sky to order the £150 deal - they asked if i wanted the
>£75 deal and mentioned that the sky box being connected to the phone
>line for a minimum of one year was part of the terms and conditions .
>

I'm obviously missing something very fundamental here:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. *Why* exactly is it necessary to have a phone line?

2. Do I only need the line with the £75 deal, but not the £150?

3. Presumably the Sky box sits close to the TV, which is in the living 
room. There is no phone connection in the living room. How do I connect 
the box to the phone line? Does Sky fit a phone connection during 
installation?

4. What happens if I disconnect the phone line from the box after 
installation?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(Maybe these are the questions you said I could ask Sky when I call them 
:-)

-- 
Ian

Ian wrote:
> From: Krustov 
> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008   Time: 00:04:54
> 
>> When i phoned sky to order the £150 deal - they asked if i wanted the
>> £75 deal and mentioned that the sky box being connected to the phone
>> line for a minimum of one year was part of the terms and conditions .
>>
> 
> I'm obviously missing something very fundamental here:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 1. *Why* exactly is it necessary to have a phone line?#

It used to be that the company that ran the interactive information service 
that is available via Sky boxes and uses for some applications a phone 
connection, subsidised the cost of the boxes. Therefore if you didn't agree to 
have the box connected to the phone line, you'd be charged the full price of 
the box (300 quid in those days).

I don't know what the reason is today.

> 3. Presumably the Sky box sits close to the TV, which is in the living 
> room. There is no phone connection in the living room. How do I connect 
> the box to the phone line? Does Sky fit a phone connection during 
> installation?

They will I think, but I'm not sure if they charge extra for doing so now. You 
can also be sure the job will be done in the quickest and therefore most 
obtrusive and bodged up manner possible. When I was due to have Sky fitted, I 
fitted the socket myself a couple of days before, and I had an independent 
installer of Bill's calibre doing the job. I've seen mention that some people 
just run an extension lead to the point, and persuade the installer that that 
will be good enough. I suspect most installers will probably accept that these 
days.


> 4. What happens if I disconnect the phone line from the box after 
> installation?

Probably nothing. The box's modem will attempt to phone Uncle Rupert at the 
same time once a month (using an 0800 number). If it doesn't detect a dial 
tone, it'll give up, and try again later. As mentioned above, some folk in 
your position simply run an phone extension lead to the box once per month and 
leave it plugged in for 24 hours.



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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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>and I had an independent installer of Bill's calibre doing the job.

Do you mean he was fat?

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:6ednm5F6j28eU1@mid.individual.net...
>> and I had an independent installer of Bill's calibre doing the job.
> 
> Do you mean he was fat?

Actually, he's not as slim as you are. I spotted him last month parked up in a 
lay-by on the A339 digging in to a Brasingsteake-Burger presumably from the 
adjacent kebab van.

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