Someone was recently asking about LCD or Plasma preference; Sorry, i
have searched and cannot find the original discussion now.
But the original poster knew that plasma was better but did not know
why. After disscussion by the group the origainal poster came back and
asked for references and not just hearsay.


O.k. so you are looking for external sources to verify
that the plasma is better than the lcd.

Well, try this one.

www.intersys.gr/downloads/pdf/Brochures_Pioneer_06/PDP_vs_LCD_Report_Ver1_summary.pdf

research company synovate carried out research on
the preferences of normal people on LCD vs Plasma screens.

O.k. so it is not this years model, but it does seem
to ask the man on the clapham omnibus which screen
does he think is better.
And he seems to reply that he thinks the plasma gives
 a better picture.

is that what you were looking for ?

Also;
The Gadget Show on five, repeated on sunday morning, had an
illustration of the difference between real life, a plasma screen by
pioneer, and a plasma screen by phillips, both screens fed from a sony
camera. One was gbp2700 and the other was gbp [much less expensive].
The testers thoght that the expensive screen gave the most 'correct'
picture.

regards
Fsol

Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm 
wondering if it a dead duck.

Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same 
make design as Sky?

Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got 
HD now.

-- 
Regards,
David

Please reply to News Group

David wrote:
> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
> wondering if it a dead duck.
>
> Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same
> make design as Sky?
>
> Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
> Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he 
> got
> HD now.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a109843/free-satellite-uptake-overtakes-freeview.html

Also due to the premptive strike by Sky freesat many people do not know why 
there are two and what the differences are anyhow.

More and more people are just cynical these days going for the cheapest 
things that can keep the nippers occupied as far as I can tell.

Brian

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Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
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"David"  wrote in message 
news:QmYek.80354$7v1.20691@newsfe30.ams2...
> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm 
> wondering if it a dead duck.
>
> Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same 
> make design as Sky?
>
> Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
> Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he 
> got HD now.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> David
>
> Please reply to News Group
>
>
>
>

On Jul 15, 8:58 am, "^^artnada^^"  wrote:
> David wrote:
> > Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
> > wondering if it a dead duck.
>
> > Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same
> > make design as Sky?
>
> > Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
> > Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he
> > got
> > HD now.
>
> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a109843/free-satellite-uptak...

..but those figures only cover the first 3 months of the year, when
Freesat was not available, so presumably the numbers are mostly
'Freesat from Sky' - or does that count as a subscription service,
given the 'free trial' element?

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<David>
<Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:31:03 +0100>
<QmYek.80354$7v1.20691@newsfe30.ams2>

> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm 
> wondering if it a dead duck.
> 

Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to 
be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont 
even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .


-- 
www.skyepg.co.uk
(sky freesat channel listing)

Krustov  wrote:

><David>
>
>> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm 
>> wondering if it a dead duck.
>
>Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to 
>be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont 
>even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .

Radio Times did from the start.

Freesat is just a new EPG and a few "red-button" services, so its main
benefit is getting the idea out to the public that there *are* such
things as free satellite channels.  It doesn't really matter to the BBC
and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air
sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them.

-- 
Dave Farrance

"Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 
news:sh5p74l6qg7hd90mu6h8g7qjmh108o78mf@4ax.com...
> Krustov  wrote:
>
>><David>
>>
>>> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
>>> wondering if it a dead duck.
>>
>>Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to
>>be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont
>>even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .
>
> Radio Times did from the start.
>
> Freesat is just a new EPG and a few "red-button" services, so its main
> benefit is getting the idea out to the public that there *are* such
> things as free satellite channels.  It doesn't really matter to the BBC
> and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air
> sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them.
>
> -- 
> Dave Farrance

I did a Freesat installation for an old guy this morning. Probably about 75 
he was. He'd bought the box and tried plugging it into his old Astra 19deg 
satellite.

I set it up and got it all running, but to be honest I wasn't that impressed 
with the channels available or the picture quality. It was the Humax HD box, 
connected to a Sony 32" Bravia via HDMI cable. The menus looked fantastic 
(quality / resolution) but the channels were pretty poor. BBC HD looked 
better but still nowhere as good as a CRT.

"Krustov"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.22e6a060a2da4a3998b749@news.newsreader.com...
> <uk.tech.digital-tv>
> <David>
> <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:31:03 +0100>
> <QmYek.80354$7v1.20691@newsfe30.ams2>
>
>> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
>> wondering if it a dead duck.
>>
>
> Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to
> be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont
> even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .
>
>
I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join!

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Commander Gideon>
<Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
<g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>

> >> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
> >> wondering if it a dead duck.
> >>
> >
> > Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to
> > be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont
> > even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .
> >
> >
> I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! 
> 

Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? .

TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

"David"  wrote in message 
news:QmYek.80354$7v1.20691@newsfe30.ams2...
> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm 
> wondering if it a dead duck.

It hasn't been promoted much (apart from during Euro 08) and there's very 
little HD content, particularly on ITV. The early adopters have got their 
boxes, or are waiting for the first Freesat PVR. Joe Public won't get 
interested unless it's more widely promoted on TV and in-store.

> Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same 
> make design as Sky?

If you buy a Freesat installation package from Curry, Comet or Argos you'll 
probably end up with the basic Sky-type kit, i.e. minidish and single LNB

> Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
> Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he 
> got HD now.

Friend of mine was just showing off his new Sky HD box. Connected to a Sony 
37" via scart. Great HD picture he reckons. Sad really.

> -- 
> Regards,
> David
>
> Please reply to News Group
>
>
>
>

"-<GB>-Carpy"  wrote in message 
news:sE1fk.27212$E41.16029@text.news.virginmedia.com...

>
> I did a Freesat installation for an old guy this morning. Probably about 
> 75 he was. He'd bought the box and tried plugging it into his old Astra 
> 19deg satellite.
>
> I set it up and got it all running, but to be honest I wasn't that 
> impressed with the channels available or the picture quality. It was the 
> Humax HD box, connected to a Sony 32" Bravia via HDMI cable. The menus 
> looked fantastic (quality / resolution) but the channels were pretty poor. 
> BBC HD looked better but still nowhere as good as a CRT.
>

Sorry to ask this but did you set it up correctly?
I'm told Humax the only one that gets all fta channels, eg same as a Sky box 
or normal box.

Also isn't the Humax known to give poor pictures than the other makes.

-- 
Regards,
David

Please reply to News Group

"Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 


It doesn't really matter to the BBC
and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air
sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them.

So why no ITV HD via a Sky box?
Regards,
David
 
Please reply to News Group

In message <R43fk.2625$uI3.368@newsfe28.ams2>, David 
 wrote

>Sorry to ask this but did you set it up correctly?
>I'm told Humax the only one that gets all fta channels, eg same as a 
>Sky box or normal box.

The 'Alba' boxes have, or are to get, the facility to receive 
non-freesat free to air channels. (Alba = Bush, Goodmans and Grundig)

>
>Also isn't the Humax known to give poor pictures than the other makes.
>

many customers have been complaining about poor quality SD pictures on 
the Humax Foxsat HDMI output. It may be that if the Humax does the 
up-scaling the picture looks 'soft' but if you send the 'original' data 
to the TV and then let the TV do the up-scaling the picture looks a lot 
better.

At the moment the Humax Foxsat is not worth its £150 price tag seeing it 
has another serious problem on HD.
-- 
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

"David"  wrote:

>"Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 
>
>>It doesn't really matter to the BBC
>>and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air
>>hsat boxes -- it's still a good result for them.

Your newsreader messed up the quoting.  Fixed.

>So why no ITV HD via a Sky box?

That much is a fair turn about, I guess, since freesat-from-sky wouldn't
provide ITV HD, you don't get it on the Sky premium price HD service
either.

I expect that it'll be available on Sky eventually -- once the public
have got the idea that they don't have to pay an excess for it.

-- 
Dave Farrance

In article <sE1fk.27212$E41.16029@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
   -<GB>-Carpy  wrote:
>  BBC HD looked 
> better but still nowhere as good as a CRT.

Some of the stuff they show is distinctly marginal as HD. Wimbledon was
stunning, though - when the HD cameras were in use. ;-)

-- 
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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"David"  wrote in message 
news:R43fk.2625$uI3.368@newsfe28.ams2...
>
>
> "-<GB>-Carpy"  wrote in message 
> news:sE1fk.27212$E41.16029@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>>
>> I did a Freesat installation for an old guy this morning. Probably about 
>> 75 he was. He'd bought the box and tried plugging it into his old Astra 
>> 19deg satellite.
>>
>> I set it up and got it all running, but to be honest I wasn't that 
>> impressed with the channels available or the picture quality. It was the 
>> Humax HD box, connected to a Sony 32" Bravia via HDMI cable. The menus 
>> looked fantastic (quality / resolution) but the channels were pretty 
>> poor. BBC HD looked better but still nowhere as good as a CRT.
>>
>
> Sorry to ask this but did you set it up correctly?
> I'm told Humax the only one that gets all fta channels, eg same as a Sky 
> box or normal box.
>
> Also isn't the Humax known to give poor pictures than the other makes.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> David
>
> Please reply to News Group

Pretty sure it was setup correctly. I went through all the settings and 
couldn't see much difference between different resolutions. Settled for 
1080i in the end. Was connected via HDMI cable only. The box has a Freesat 
mode and non Freesat mode so can be used to receive not Freesat channels if 
required. The guy was over the moon but to me it just didn't seem that 
great, even on the BBC HD channel.

Krustov wrote:
> <uk.tech.digital-tv>
> <Commander Gideon>
> <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
> <g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> 
>>>> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
>>>> wondering if it a dead duck.
>>>>
>>> Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going to
>>> be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont
>>> even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .
>>>
>>>
>> I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join! 
>>
> 
> Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? .

Because then you are stuck with the crap sky EPG, and you don't get the 
free HD channels.

-- 
Cheers,

John.

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"John Rumm"  wrote in message 
news:B4mdnel8d4XcJ-DVnZ2dnUVZ8uWdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Krustov wrote:
>> <uk.tech.digital-tv>
>> <Commander Gideon>
>> <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
>> <g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>
>>
>>>>> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop 
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> wondering if it a dead duck.
>>>>>
>>>> Until freesat add the 'promised' more channels - then its never going 
>>>> to
>>>> be a buzz word option for joe punter - more so as the tv guides dont
>>>> even list the freesat channel numbers at the moment .
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join!
>>
>> Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? .
>
> Because then you are stuck with the crap sky EPG, and you don't get the 
> free HD channels.
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
>
> John.
>

For a truly horrible epg the one with the Alba HD boxes (Bush, Goodmans, 
Grundig) takes some beating. AFAIK the only free HD programming you don't 
get form Sky is ITV.

"Krustov"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.22e6c8ee6cadece498b74a@news.newsreader.com...
> <uk.tech.digital-tv>
> <Commander Gideon>
> <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
> <g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>
<snip>
>
> TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .
>
No Five US crap, that's a bonus

Steve Terry

On 15 Jul, 08:58, "^^artnada^^"  wrote:
> David wrote:
> > Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm
> > wondering if it a dead duck.
>
> > Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, same
> > make design as Sky?
>
> > Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
> > Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he
> > got
> > HD now.
>
> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a109843/free-satellite-uptak...

I love the idea that you can ask a member of the GBP what TV system
they have, and they will be able to tell you.

I was talking to someone the other day who was quite happy with her
new Freeview service. What she actually had was a basic Sky
subscription.

Cheers,
David.

>> I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join!
>>
>
> Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? .
>
> TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .

Does anybody know when Five are joining Freesat?

"Commander Gideon"  wrote in message 
news:g5knfm$vh7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join!
>>>
>>
>> Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? .
>>
>> TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .
>
> Does anybody know when Five are joining Freesat?
>

Possibly next year. The 5 family are tied to Sky until March 09.

<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<slinky>
<Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:04:40 +0100>


> >>> I'm going to get it when Five and more radio stations join!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why wait when if you can get five etc if you get sky freesat fitted ? .
> >>
> >> TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .
> >
> > Does anybody know when Five are joining Freesat?
> >
> 
> Possibly next year. The 5 family are tied to Sky until March 09. 
> 

Resistance is futile - ha ha ha ha ha :-)


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

In article <g5khta$m6r$1@news.albasani.net>,
   Steve Terry  wrote:

> "Krustov"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.22e6c8ee6cadece498b74a@news.newsreader.com...
> > <uk.tech.digital-tv>
> > <Commander Gideon>
> > <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
> > <g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> <snip>
> >
> > TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .
> >
> No Five US crap, that's a bonus

Life without CSI, House and Shark would be unbearable. Sob.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4fbfd3b318dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <g5khta$m6r$1@news.albasani.net>,
>   Steve Terry  wrote:
>
>> "Krustov"  wrote in message
>> news:MPG.22e6c8ee6cadece498b74a@news.newsreader.com...
>> > <uk.tech.digital-tv>
>> > <Commander Gideon>
>> > <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
>> > <g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on freesat .
>> >
>> No Five US crap, that's a bonus
>
> Life without CSI, House and Shark would be unbearable. Sob.
>
>
All endless repeats, is your memory that bad you don't remember
an episode the first 6 times around?

Steve Terry

On 15 Jul, 13:33, Dave Farrance
 wrote:
> It doesn't really matter to the BBC
> and ITV if people use Freesat or Freesat-from-Sky or generic free-to-air
> sat boxes -- it's still a good result for them.

To an extent, but it's fairly well established that the terrestrials
maintain their share better when there's less competition for them, so
they get a bigger share on Freeview than on Sky or Cable.

From the point of view of longer term viewing share (assuming there's
someone left at ITV who can think long term, and not just worry about
today's share price), it's preferable for satellite takeup to be
nudged towards Freesat, where there won't be the distractions of the
major pay channels to tempt them into watching something else.

The obviously can't maintain that stance indefinitely, as there are
probably around half a million homes with SkyHD already. But right
now, that's not enough to worry about hugely, especially since the
majority of those homes will have some subscription services anyway,
and so probably wouldn't watch much on ITV HD even if they could get
it.

But my suspicion is that ITV will maintain the Freesat exclusivity
into the new year, and then think about putting it on Sky too. That
way, they can plug shamelessly in the run up to Christmas - "the only
way to get our great films for the holidays in HD" and so on.

As the number of homes with HD receivers rises, they'll find it harder
to stay off the Sky platform, but right now, every little nudge
towards Freesat is good sense for the longer term, and they're not
missing out massively in the short term, either.

In article <g5l3dj$psf$1@news.albasani.net>,
   Steve Terry  wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
> news:4fbfd3b318dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <g5khta$m6r$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >   Steve Terry  wrote:
> >
> >> "Krustov"  wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.22e6c8ee6cadece498b74a@news.newsreader.com...
> >> > <uk.tech.digital-tv>
> >> > <Commander Gideon>
> >> > <Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:23:37 +0100>
> >> > <g5ic06$39r$1@registered.motzarella.org>
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> > TMK freesat have said that fiveus/fiver wont be appearing on
> >> > freesat .
> >> >
> >> No Five US crap, that's a bonus
> >
> > Life without CSI, House and Shark would be unbearable. Sob.
> >
> >
> All endless repeats, is your memory that bad you don't remember an
> episode the first 6 times around?

I don't watch enough TV to see everything 'first time around'.

> Steve Terry

-- 
*He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

David wrote:

>Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
>Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he got 
>HD now.

Sky have cut the cost od sky hd quite a bit...
-- 
Paul Matthews                          
paul@cattytown.me.uk
http://www.hepcats.co.uk

David wrote:
> Is Joe Public going for Freesat, does not look to be when in a shop I'm 
> wondering if it a dead duck.
> 
> Not seeing new/different dishes on houses, what sort of dish fitted, 
> same make design as Sky?
> 
> Can't see HD being attractive to Joe unless BBC1 and ITV1 is in HD.
> Might you Joe probably thinks because he got a Plasma/LCD flat screen he 
> got HD now.
> 

The problem is that these days people think if something is good it will 
be taken up very quickly, much due to the 'have now' attitude that has 
developed.  This is not the case, what usually happens is that we are 
told what to like and want by advertising.  Most people are followers 
and will go with what they think everyone else is going for, usually by 
this marketing thing.  Freesat has had only BBC 'we don't need to 
compete' marketing.

I'm not saying Freesat is great but it is another facility or option 
that does not require another subcription (other than the licence fee). 
  It is mainly intended to cover for those who cannot get terrestrial, 
and they have thrown in HD as the timing and BW is appropriate. 
Terrestrial will also likely get HD at analogue switch-off, mainly as we 
have paid for it and the BBC like it.

Personally having made VHS VCRs for many years I can say the GBP does 
not care about picture quality much, but some enthusiasts do.  Now cheap 
credit has gone and everything is more more expensive (for real reasons 
rather than boom/bust economic cycles) we are less likely to see every 
person on the dole with spare cash to burn on consumer goods.  Having 
said that a poor digital signal is much harder to live with than a poor 
analogue one, and so this might increase the expectation of better 
picture quality.

Freesat will have its place and AFIAK has relatively low running costs 
on top of terrestrial, it is here to stay.

--
Tony