The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message
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> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to
> allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you
> have to manually add channels by keying in the multiplex
> details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

So no different to the BSkyB box then?...

BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright  wrote:

>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

>I don't know what you're on about

You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
HTML copy attached to it.  This is a pointless waste of bandwidth, and
you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.

>and I don't care.

Oops, too late.

-- Richard
-- 
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Bill Wright wrote:
>  The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the 
> viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add 
> channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe 
> Public liking that.

I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box 
last night.

Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using 
just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks 
useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.
This box is replacing a Sky box, that already had a nice chunky cable, 
so I swapped to that one.

Switched on, and a Freesat Welcome screen appeared, along with a signal 
strength bar graph. This read 90% in my case.
It then proceed to download software (not sure if this was box firmware, 
or EPG/transponder data ?)  The progress bar leapt to the 5% position 
then stayed there for 3-4 mins. I'd almost given up hope, then it 
started moving. Took about 10 mins to reach 100%  After that the box 
said it would reboot after 3 mins. This it did, and then it started on a 
transponder scan. That took another 10 mins. Finally it started 
displaying pictures. They were hideous, covered in patterning and clock 
pulses, and in PAL. I opened the menus, but could find no mention of 
RGB. I then connected an HDMI cable. The SD channels then looked clean, 
but still washed out, and not a patch on the Sky box's versions. I 
assume it has a very cheap upconverter. I switched to BBC HD (the whole 
reason for the box) and the image was fine. As good as both a Humax 
HDI-2000, and Sky HD box.  I was expecting it to boot up from applying 
power like a Sky box, a couple of mins quietly booting, then ready for 
action. This box, and presumably the other Freesat boxes, operate quite 
differently.
What happens when a new channel comes along. Will it auto magically add 
it (a lá Sky), or do you need to faff about Freeview style ?

Conclusion: Don't use it on the Scart; not that you would, because 
there's no point buying the box unless you have an HD capable display. 
For watching the BBC HD channel via HDMI it's fine. No HDMI cable is 
supplied, I used a 4 quid one from CPC. Not seen any ITV HD stuff on it 
yet, and their HD schedule seems to be some sort of state secret !

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:g4g23g$hs4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>
> I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.
>

abuse@dsl.pipex.net do though...

"Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
news:g4g53l$12cj$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
> In article ,
> Bill Wright  wrote:
>
>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>
>>I don't know what you're on about
>
> You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
> HTML copy attached to it.  This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,

Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one occasion, 
and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real terms?

>and
> you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better tactic 
would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern of offending. 
A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will never be repeated. 
Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost as if you enjoy pointing 
such things out. I'm sure that isn't the case of course.

> -- Richard
> -- 
> Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
Sigs waste bandwith. Please don't do this again.

Bill

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:p6WdnQxoXs6bD_bVnZ2dnUVZ8v3inZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
>> news:g4g23g$hs4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>>
>> I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.
>
> abuse@dsl.pipex.net do though...
>
Good job he's not using AIOE, they'd ban the group!

Steve Terry

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:1sWdner_84lVBvbVRVnyuAA@pipex.net...
>
> "Richard Tobin"  wrote in message 
> news:g4g53l$12cj$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
>> In article ,
>> Bill Wright  wrote:
>>
>>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>>
>>>I don't know what you're on about
>>
>> You did something different in that article that caused it to have 
>> an
>> HTML copy attached to it.  This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,
>
> Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one 
> occasion, and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real 
> terms?

You doubled the size of your message, now think what that means if 
1,000 people posted multi-part messages, now think what it would mean 
is 10,000 people did it, what about 50,000 did - this means that many 
servers will start dropping older messages sooner than they otherwise 
should due to the extra storage space the multi-part messages use 
(some servers might only hold a few days-worth of 'archive' messages), 
the other problem is that some servers will delete multi-part messages 
'on sight' meaning that your message might not be seen by all.... The 
other problem with multi-part messages is that it's very easy for the 
sender or a Trojan to hide a virus within the HTML (just as can happen 
with web pages) and a onLoad script.

>
>>and
>> you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
> I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better 
> tactic would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern 
> of offending. A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will 
> never be repeated. Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost 
> as if you enjoy pointing such things out. I'm sure that isn't the 
> case of course.
>

It was a polite pointing out what you had done, your "I don't care" 
response was what generated the heat and not the original 'offence', 
all you needed to say was "Sorry"...

Bill Wright wrote:
> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the
> viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add
> channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe
> Public liking that.
>
> Bill

All Freesat boxes made by Alba have this feature now, ie. Grundig, Bush etc.
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In article ,
Bill Wright  wrote:

>Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one occasion, 
>and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real terms?

No.

>I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better tactic 
>would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern of offending. 

It doesn't really bother me - I wouldn't have noticed it if someone
else hadn't mentioned it.  But I thought you would like to know that
you had made a mistake.

>A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will never be repeated. 
>Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost as if you enjoy pointing 
>such things out. I'm sure that isn't the case of course.

That's right.

-- Richard
-- 
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.

Depends if there is anything worth watching and how well the process is 
explained.

Brian

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"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing of 
non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by keying 
in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.

Bill

No its  a bit silly posting html on here.

Brian

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"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:g4g23g$hs4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message
> news:StKdnTq6CpZNGPbVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@pipex.net...
>> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to
>> allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you
>> have to manually add channels by keying in the multiplex
>> details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.
>
> So no different to the BSkyB box then?...
>
> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>
>
>

He meant the mess below.
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software =
download to=20
allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually =
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channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe =
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liking that.</FONT></P>
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"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:g4g23g$hs4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>
> I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.
>
> Bill
>

How does AD  work on these boxes, and is it hard to set up that facility?

Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6d1jkbFcckbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Bill Wright wrote:
>>  The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing 
>> of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by 
>> keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking 
>> that.
>
> I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box last 
> night.
>
> Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using 
> just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks 
> useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.
> This box is replacing a Sky box, that already had a nice chunky cable, so 
> I swapped to that one.
>
> Switched on, and a Freesat Welcome screen appeared, along with a signal 
> strength bar graph. This read 90% in my case.
> It then proceed to download software (not sure if this was box firmware, 
> or EPG/transponder data ?)  The progress bar leapt to the 5% position then 
> stayed there for 3-4 mins. I'd almost given up hope, then it started 
> moving. Took about 10 mins to reach 100%  After that the box said it would 
> reboot after 3 mins. This it did, and then it started on a transponder 
> scan. That took another 10 mins. Finally it started displaying pictures. 
> They were hideous, covered in patterning and clock pulses, and in PAL. I 
> opened the menus, but could find no mention of RGB. I then connected an 
> HDMI cable. The SD channels then looked clean, but still washed out, and 
> not a patch on the Sky box's versions. I assume it has a very cheap 
> upconverter. I switched to BBC HD (the whole reason for the box) and the 
> image was fine. As good as both a Humax HDI-2000, and Sky HD box.  I was 
> expecting it to boot up from applying power like a Sky box, a couple of 
> mins quietly booting, then ready for action. This box, and presumably the 
> other Freesat boxes, operate quite differently.
> What happens when a new channel comes along. Will it auto magically add it 
> (a lá Sky), or do you need to faff about Freeview style ?
>
> Conclusion: Don't use it on the Scart; not that you would, because there's 
> no point buying the box unless you have an HD capable display. For 
> watching the BBC HD channel via HDMI it's fine. No HDMI cable is supplied, 
> I used a 4 quid one from CPC. Not seen any ITV HD stuff on it yet, and 
> their HD schedule seems to be some sort of state secret !
>

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:p6WdnQxoXs6bD_bVnZ2dnUVZ8v3inZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
>> news:g4g23g$hs4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>>
>> I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.
>>
>
> abuse@dsl.pipex.net do though...
>
Go on then, tell teacher. There were kids like you at school. No-one liked 
them either.


Bill

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6d1jkbFcckbU1@mid.individual.net...
> I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box last 
> night.
>
> Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using 
> just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks 
> useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.

Yes, it's remarkable. I don't think it has any wires inside it. It's just a 
tube.

Bill

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:g4g794$b78$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one 
>> occasion, and what the consequences of that wastage would be in real 
>> terms?
>
> You doubled the size of your message, now think what that means if 1,000 
> people posted multi-part messages, now think what it would mean is 10,000 
> people did it, what about 50,000 did - this means that many servers will 
> start dropping older messages sooner than they otherwise should due to the 
> extra storage space the multi-part messages use (some servers might only 
> hold a few days-worth of 'archive' messages), the other problem is that 
> some servers will delete multi-part messages 'on sight' meaning that your 
> message might not be seen by all.... The other problem with multi-part 
> messages is that it's very easy for the sender or a Trojan to hide a virus 
> within the HTML (just as can happen with web pages) and a onLoad script.

Like I said, 'Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that 
one
>> occasion'. The point is that this happened once. If it happened every 
>> time it would be different. Your immediate response to one incident 
>> suggests to me that you enjoy pointing these things out, because no-one 
>> else would have bothered. That's sad, very sad. Are a traffic warden 
>> during the day?

>>>and
>>> you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
>> I would have thought that if this sort of thing bothers you a better 
>> tactic would be to wait until the offender had established a pattern of 
>> offending. A one-off sounds like a glitch, which most likely will never 
>> be repeated. Mentioning this after one incident sounds almost as if you 
>> enjoy pointing such things out. I'm sure that isn't the case of course.
>>
>
> It was a polite pointing out what you had done,
It wasn't polite, it came across as snotty and patronising. Sometimes the 
word 'please' when used like that can be counter-productive.

 your "I don't care"
> response was what generated the heat and not the original 'offence', all 
> you needed to say was "Sorry"...
I'll be damned! So every time you inadvertently clip the kerb do you write 
an apologetic letter to the chief constable. Grow up!

Bill

"Brian Gaff"  wrote in message 
news:o6Pak.19592$E41.11803@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> No its  a bit silly posting html on here.
>
> Brian

Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Bill

In article ,
   Bill Wright  wrote:

> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:6d1jkbFcckbU1@mid.individual.net...
> > I installed the Bush (clone of Grunding and Goodman's) HD Freesat box
> > last night.
> >
> > Unpacked it, and connected up to a Sony 40 inch Bravia. Initially using 
> > just a Scart lead. Didn't bother with the supplied Scart lead, it looks 
> > useless, and has the thinnest cable I've ever seen on one.

> Yes, it's remarkable. I don't think it has any wires inside it. It's just
> a tube.

Perhaps it's a waveguide ;-)

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:StKdnTq6CpZNGPbVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@pipex.net...
<<< The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing 
of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by 
keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.
Bill>>>

Including the FEC and PID for both video and audio?

Have they fixed the problem where the colour is shifted to the left of the 
luminance?

Bill Wright wrote 
 on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:11:01 +0100 in message  
 : 

>
>"Brian Gaff"  wrote in message 
>news:o6Pak.19592$E41.11803@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> No its  a bit silly posting html on here.
>>
>> Brian
>
>Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.
>
>Bill 
>

For Brian we make exceptions, due to him having to use a screen-reader, it's
a little more difficult when you can't see.

Bill Wright wrote:
> "Brian Gaff"  wrote in message
> news:o6Pak.19592$E41.11803@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> No its  a bit silly posting html on here.
>>
>> Brian
>
> Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.
>
> Bill

You appear to be in a very unpleasant mood today.
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

The Bush has a seperate AD button, as it is made by Alba and so are others I 
expect it is almost universal.

Brian Gaff wrote:
> How does AD  work on these boxes, and is it hard to set up that
> facility?

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:itWdndY4wcDZWfbVnZ2dnUVZ8svinZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:g4g794$b78$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted on that one 
>>> occasion, and what the consequences of that wastage would be in 
>>> real terms?
>>
>> You doubled the size of your message, now think what that means if 
>> 1,000 people posted multi-part messages, now think what it would 
>> mean is 10,000 people did it, what about 50,000 did - this means 
>> that many servers will start dropping older messages sooner than 
>> they otherwise should due to the extra storage space the multi-part 
>> messages use (some servers might only hold a few days-worth of 
>> 'archive' messages), the other problem is that some servers will 
>> delete multi-part messages 'on sight' meaning that your message 
>> might not be seen by all.... The other problem with multi-part 
>> messages is that it's very easy for the sender or a Trojan to hide 
>> a virus within the HTML (just as can happen with web pages) and a 
>> onLoad script.
>
> Like I said, 'Could you please tell me how much bandwidth it wasted 
> on that one
<snip>

That is NOT the point, bandwidth is irrelevant, it's to do with how 
Usenet servers work as I tried to explain above.

>>
>> It was a polite pointing out what you had done,
> It wasn't polite, it came across as snotty and patronising. 
> Sometimes the word 'please' when used like that can be 
> counter-productive.

What should I have said then, considering that you are from Yorkshire 
and I have Northumbrian blood - 'BTW, don't post f*cking multi-part 
messages you moronic c*unt faced idiot'?....

> Grow up!
>

Stop talking about yourself.

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
<snip>
>>
> Go on then, tell teacher. There were kids like you at school. No-one 
> liked them either.
>

The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod Hull"...

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"  wrote in message 
news:4pmn64hn4c9ga12c57nimo9475h59rv3eu@4ax.com...
> Bill Wright wrote
> on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:11:01 +0100 in message
> :
>
>>
>>"Brian Gaff"  wrote in message
>>news:o6Pak.19592$E41.11803@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> No its  a bit silly posting html on here.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>
>>Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.
>>
>
> For Brian we make exceptions, due to him having to use a 
> screen-reader, it's
> a little more difficult when you can't see.

Also, top posting is just annoying, it's not a de facto 'No, no' like 
multi-part (HTML) posting is (for the reasons given elsewhere).

Calm down.
For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse than
rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of us.

Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

zumoz wrote:

|| Calm down.
|| For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse than
|| rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.
||
|| Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?

It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers and 
messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that matter what 
it's all about:o)

On 2 Jul 2008 14:59:01 GMT, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

>In article ,
>Bill Wright  wrote:
>
>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>
>>I don't know what you're on about
>
>You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
>HTML copy attached to it.  This is a pointless waste of bandwidth, and
>you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.

I think this sort of comment about wasting bandwidth dates back to
around 1995 when we were all (well those of us online back then) were
using 14.4k dial up modems (28.8 = luxury, my 14.4 cost me £90 back
then).
I now pay Rupert £5 a month for 8Mb on top of my Sky sub so this
bandwidth wasting talk is nonsense. IMO.
I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
anyone?

CD

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:04:41 +0100, "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>zumoz wrote:
>
>|| Calm down.
>|| For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse than
>|| rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.
>||
>|| Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?
>
>It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers and 
>messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that matter what 
>it's all about:o) 

Microsoft Windows Mail? What the hell is that?

Guppy Fester Guthrie wrote:
> On 2 Jul 2008 14:59:01 GMT, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
> wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Bill Wright  wrote:
>>
>>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>>
>>> I don't know what you're on about
>>
>> You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
>> HTML copy attached to it.  This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,
>> and you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
>
> I think this sort of comment about wasting bandwidth dates back to
> around 1995 when we were all (well those of us online back then) were
> using 14.4k dial up modems (28.8 = luxury, my 14.4 cost me £90 back
> then).
> I now pay Rupert £5 a month for 8Mb on top of my Sky sub so this
> bandwidth wasting talk is nonsense. IMO.
> I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
> anyone?
>
> CD

Some people still use news readers that are incompatable with HTML, probably 
why it's still frowned on for Usenet.
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

zumoz wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:04:41 +0100, "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> zumoz wrote:
>>
>>>> Calm down.
>>>> For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse
>>>> than rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.
>>>>
>>>> Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?
>>
>> It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers
>> and messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that
>> matter what it's all about:o)
>
> Microsoft Windows Mail? What the hell is that?

Is that a rhetorical question? If not, where have you been since Vista was 
launched?
-- 
 >^..^< This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help
her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:e7ednZwGT8sAavbVRVnyjgA@brightview.com...
> <snip>
> where have you been since Vista was launched?

Trying to steer well clear of it - Vista, the reincarnation of that 
other Windows marketing fiasco, ME...

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:e7ednZwGT8sAavbVRVnyjgA@brightview.com...
> zumoz wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:04:41 +0100, "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> zumoz wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Calm down.
>>>>> For what it's worth, you're response was pretty rude, and worse
>>>>> than rude if you meant it as you might say the same to any of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goodness, is all this crap going to two newsgroups?
>>>
>>> It's so bloody annoying when people delete all the previous headers
>>> and messages and we don't know who they're replying to or for that
>>> matter what it's all about:o)
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Mail? What the hell is that?
>
> Is that a rhetorical question? If not, where have you been since Vista was 
> launched?
The M$ app that dare not keep its name.
Perhaps they should have stuck with MSIMN, Microsoft Internet Mail and News.

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

In article , Adrian wrote:
> > I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
> > anyone?
> >
> > CD
> 
> Some people still use news readers that are incompatable with HTML, probably 
> why it's still frowned on for Usenet.

Some people would put that the other way round - HTML is incompatible with news 
readers. Usenet and email were designed for text-only communication, and there 
are so many gimmicks and special effects available elsewhere for those that 
want them that there is a need to preserve something plain and simple that 
works on any equipment and doesn't gobble bandwidth.

A particular annoyance is advertisers who send me messages full of HTML with a 
note at the bottom suggesting I should equip myself with news or email software 
that can handle it. Who do they think they are? My software is my choice, and 
if they want to put their message across it's in their interests to do it in a 
manner that will make it clear. I'm certainly not going to change software that 
I'm comfortable with for the benefit of advertisers.

Rod.

On 02/07/2008 19:11, Bill Wright wrote:

> Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.

Do you know *why* Brian prefers top-posting?

In article ,
	Bill Wright wrote:

> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:g4g23g$hs4$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.

> I don't know what you're on about and I don't care.

They look a ruddy mess in a real newsreader, too.

Posting HTML in newsgroups may be a violation of your ISP's terms of
use of the Usenet facility. The usual way you can trigger such
incorrect behaviour out of broken-by-design newsreaders is to use font
styles.

-- 
Paul Martin

"charles"  wrote in message 
news:4fb8b29e69charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
> In article ,
>   Bill Wright  wrote:
> Perhaps it's a waveguide ;-)

It's a plastic waveguide. It would guide waves of air I suppose.

Bill

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"  wrote in message 
news:4pmn64hn4c9ga12c57nimo9475h59rv3eu@4ax.com...
> Bill Wright wrote
> on Wed, 2 Jul 2008 19:11:01 +0100 in message
> :
>
>>
>>"Brian Gaff"  wrote in message
>>news:o6Pak.19592$E41.11803@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> No its  a bit silly posting html on here.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>
>>Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>
> For Brian we make exceptions, due to him having to use a screen-reader, 
> it's
> a little more difficult when you can't see.

Yes I know. I was just getting him back for moaning about the fact that one 
of my messages inexplicably was in html.

Bill

In article <o6Pak.19592$E41.11803@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
	Brian Gaff wrote:
> No its  a bit silly posting html on here.

As is top-posting. :-)

Brian Gaff... now there's a name from the past.

-- 
Paul Martin

In article <6dPak.19600$E41.16617@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
	Brian Gaff wrote:
> How does AD  work on these boxes, and is it hard to set up that facility?

AD on digital satellite is a second copy of the soundtrack with
embedded AD. All you have to do is select that second soundtrack.
My guess is that the Freesat boxes have a "select audio soundtrack"
button, which is labelled AD. S4C on DSat has four soundtracks.

On digital terrestrial, it's a separate mono track that has to be
combined with the main soundtrack, which is why so few receivers
offer it.

Incidentally, German channels put the AD on the right channel only.
This is to be backward compatible with their Zweiton system.

-- 
Paul Martin

"Guppy Fester Guthrie" <no@mail.here.thanks> wrote in message 
news:02tn64pnr6tcp21p2kli2go98va667p95a@4ax.com...
> I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
> anyone?
My point is that when I post one (ONE!) message that these people don't like 
they immediately jump on my back. The sensible thing would be to leave it 
alone and see if it keeps happening. If so it would suggest that some 
settings want altering at this end, so comment would be fair enough. But 
these people just sit there and pounce when there's a single post that they 
don't like, even when it comes amongst hundreds that they don't object to. 
That's clear evidence that they enjoy pointing out the wrongdoings of 
others. That's a personality weakness that gets on my tits bigstyle. There's 
a lot of them in the world, these prodnose types. Unfortunately many of them 
are incapable of doing a proper job so given that plus their innate 
prodnoseness they get jobs as traffic wardens and so forth. When will people 
learn to live and let live?

Bill

"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in 
message news:VA.00000439.03b07b98@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk...
> In article , Adrian 
> wrote:
> A particular annoyance is advertisers who send me messages full of HTML 
> with a
> note at the bottom suggesting I should equip myself with news or email 
> software
> that can handle it. Who do they think they are? My software is my choice, 
> and
> if they want to put their message across it's in their interests to do it 
> in a
> manner that will make it clear. I'm certainly not going to change software 
> that
> I'm comfortable with for the benefit of advertisers.

They try it on because lots of people don't know enough about computers and 
they get taken in. It's just another little con.

There's an outfit ringing round at the moment, introducing themselves as 
'CIS'. Now 'CIS' is an Inland Revenue thing that the self-employed have to 
take notice of, so calling themselves that is a con. There's another one 
that rings up and says that they are 'The Halifax', but they're nothing to 
do with HBS. And don't get me started on the way the disabled are conned 
when they need a battery for their mobility device.

Bill

"Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
news:qsSdnZFfX_oCl_HVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> On 02/07/2008 19:11, Bill Wright wrote:
>
>> Top posting is very annoying, I find. Please don't do it any more.
>
> Do you know *why* Brian prefers top-posting?

Of course I do. But since he had a go at me so I had a go at him. What's 
wrong with that. I belive that the disabled should be treated equally. I 
don't want to get into this, but I think you'll find that Brian doesn't want 
to be patronised by you by your assumption that the disabled can't speak for 
themselves.

Bill

Jerry wrote:

> The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod Hull"... 

What clue would lead you to stick your arm up a bird's arse?

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:b96dnSM2BeDeufHVnZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@pipex.net...
>
<snip>
>
> There's an outfit ringing round at the moment, introducing 
> themselves as 'CIS'. Now 'CIS' is an Inland Revenue thing that the 
> self-employed have to take notice of, so calling themselves that is 
> a con.
<snip>

Gawd know how the Co-op Insurance Service get on then, they have been 
using "CIS" as an abbreviation for years, probably long before the IR 
have been using 'CIS'....

"Silk"  wrote in message 
news:g4htsj$jn3$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jerry wrote:
>
>> The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod Hull"...
>
> What clue would lead you to stick your arm up a bird's arse?

Whhoooosshhhh..... :~(

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:4KednQkfb-ozv_HVnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Guppy Fester Guthrie" <no@mail.here.thanks> wrote in message 
> news:02tn64pnr6tcp21p2kli2go98va667p95a@4ax.com...
>> I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
>> anyone?
> My point is that when I post one (ONE!) message that these people 
> don't like they immediately jump on my back. The sensible thing 
> would be to leave it alone and see if it keeps happening.
<snip the rest of Bills ignorant rant>

No, the thing to do is to point the problem out in case the sender has 
a Trojan that has altered the default settings so that it can output 
HTML and thus hide a virus or what ever.

Jerry wrote:
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:4KednQkfb-ozv_HVnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> "Guppy Fester Guthrie" <no@mail.here.thanks> wrote in message 
>> news:02tn64pnr6tcp21p2kli2go98va667p95a@4ax.com...
>>> I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
>>> anyone?
>> My point is that when I post one (ONE!) message that these people 
>> don't like they immediately jump on my back. The sensible thing 
>> would be to leave it alone and see if it keeps happening.
> <snip the rest of Bills ignorant rant>
> 
> No, the thing to do is to point the problem out in case the sender has 
> a Trojan that has altered the default settings so that it can output 
> HTML and thus hide a virus or what ever. 

Yes Jerry you must be right... obviously anyone posting a comment to 
safeguard Bill against this possibility will have checked several of his 
messages and had a quick look at the raw text of the messages in 
question to verify the presence of something nefarious (since obviously 
this is the safest way to view it if there is doubt as to the content) 
before alerting him by email.

(Of course you have to allow for the possibility that some complete 
plunkers will just mouth off without having done that, but I am sure 
there are none like that in this group)

-- 
Cheers,

John.

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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 01:58:32 +0100, "Bill Wright"
 wrote:

>There's an outfit ringing round at the moment, introducing themselves as 
>'CIS'. Now 'CIS' is an Inland Revenue thing that the self-employed have to 
>take notice of, so calling themselves that is a con.

It could have been the CIS that has been around for years and years.
The Coperative Insurance Society, head office in Manchester.

--  
brightside S9

"John Rumm"  wrote in message 
news:kM6dnVWTWdZfL_HVnZ2dnUVZ8sHinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
<snip>
>
> (Of course you have to allow for the possibility that some complete 
> plunkers will just mouth off

Rather like a certain John Rumm tends to do you mean?...

"Bill Wright"  wrote:

> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=3DGENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD>
> <BODY>
> <DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software =
> download to=20
> allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually =
> add=20
> channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe =
> Public=20
> liking that.</FONT></P>
> <P><FONT size=3D2>Bill</FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>

Hmm.  Well, some newsreaders can interpret this stuff OK and others
can't.  Sorry Bill, but it *is* usually regarded as bad form.

-- 
Dave Farrance

"Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 
news:sqfp64d9n222pj5i644u9tbu0l62if7u3f@4ax.com...
> "Bill Wright"  wrote:
>
>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = 
>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD>
>> <BODY>
>> <DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software 
>> =
>> download to=20
>> allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually 
>> =
>> add=20
>> channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe =
>> Public=20
>> liking that.</FONT></P>
>> <P><FONT size=3D2>Bill</FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
> Hmm.  Well, some newsreaders can interpret this stuff OK and others
> can't.  Sorry Bill, but it *is* usually regarded as bad form.

My point (for the umpteenth time) is that it happened once. So whatever 
caused it has gone away.

Bill

In message 02tn64pnr6tcp21p2kli2go98va667p95a@4ax.com,
Guppy Fester Guthrie <no@mail.here.thanks> Proclaimed from the tallest 
tower:

> On 2 Jul 2008 14:59:01 GMT, richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
> wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Bill Wright  wrote:
>>
>>>> BTW, please don't post multi-part (HTML) messages to Usenet.
>>
>>> I don't know what you're on about
>>
>> You did something different in that article that caused it to have an
>> HTML copy attached to it.  This is a pointless waste of bandwidth,
>> and you don't usually do it, so presumably you made a mistake.
>
> I think this sort of comment about wasting bandwidth dates back to
> around 1995 when we were all (well those of us online back then) were
> using 14.4k dial up modems (28.8 = luxury, my 14.4 cost me £90 back
> then).
> I now pay Rupert £5 a month for 8Mb on top of my Sky sub so this
> bandwidth wasting talk is nonsense. IMO.
> I'm with Bill on this one, what harm did his HTML malarkey cause
> anyone?
>
> CD

I don't think it caused any harm. The original message was just quite 
politely (IMO)pointing out the error.
I think on this occasion, an 'I'm sorry if I caused offence, it was not 
deliberate' might have been more appropriate than the rather rude 'I don't 
care'.

Anyway, enough said, eh?. All this bickering over a simple error has wasted 
FAR more bandwidth than the original mistake!!  :-)

Chris.


-- 
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:Z6qdnYugI_ERTPHVRVnyvgA@pipex.net...
>
> "Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 
> news:sqfp64d9n222pj5i644u9tbu0l62if7u3f@4ax.com...
>> "Bill Wright"  wrote:
>>
>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = 
>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD>
>>> <BODY>
>>> <DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2> The Grundig Freesat box has had a software 
>>> =
>>> download to=20
>>> allow the viewing of non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually 
>>> =
>>> add=20
>>> channels by keying in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe =
>>> Public=20
>>> liking that.</FONT></P>
>>> <P><FONT size=3D2>Bill</FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>
>> Hmm.  Well, some newsreaders can interpret this stuff OK and others
>> can't.  Sorry Bill, but it *is* usually regarded as bad form.
>
> My point (for the umpteenth time) is that it happened once. So whatever 
> caused it has gone away.
>
> Bill
>

Moving on from all the amusing bickering, what are these SD Freesat boxes 
like compared to a Sky (Freesat from Sky) installation with regards to an 
old age pensioner. I've got an old boy who hasn't got a hope in hell of 
getting a decent aerial signal, so either Freesat (SD box) or the Sky free 
offering would be the only choice, but which one is the easiest to nagivate 
/ use etc. I don't like the Sky vibe where he would have to trundle through 
lots of unavailable channels to get ones he can see, so in that sense 
Freesat might be a better choice? I don't think he's too bothered about 
channel line up, although he might quite like channel 5 which isnt on 
Freesat at the moment.

Any ideas which would be easiest for him? I;ve not seen a Freesat box / EPG 
so cant make the decision.

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:b96dnSM2BeDeufHVnZ2dnUVZ8qjinZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in 
> message news:VA.00000439.03b07b98@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk...
>> In article , Adrian 
>> wrote:
>> A particular annoyance is advertisers who send me messages full of HTML 
>> with a
>> note at the bottom suggesting I should equip myself with news or email 
>> software
>> that can handle it. Who do they think they are? My software is my choice, 
>> and
>> if they want to put their message across it's in their interests to do it 
>> in a
>> manner that will make it clear. I'm certainly not going to change 
>> software that
>> I'm comfortable with for the benefit of advertisers.
>
> They try it on because lots of people don't know enough about computers 
> and they get taken in. It's just another little con.
>
> There's an outfit ringing round at the moment, introducing themselves as 
> 'CIS'. Now 'CIS' is an Inland Revenue thing that the self-employed have to 
> take notice of, so calling themselves that is a con. There's another one 
> that rings up and says that they are 'The Halifax', but they're nothing to 
> do with HBS. And don't get me started on the way the disabled are conned 
> when they need a battery for their mobility device.
> Bill
>
>
What the feck has any of that to do with you using at least double the space
needlessly on newsservers by using HTML?
You brain dead moron

Steve Terry

"Carpy"  wrote in message 
news:Rv4bk.207272$1B6.36545@newsfe21.ams2...
> Moving on from all the amusing bickering, what are these SD Freesat boxes 
> like compared to a Sky (Freesat from Sky) installation with regards to an 
> old age pensioner. I've got an old boy who hasn't got a hope in hell of 
> getting a decent aerial signal, so either Freesat (SD box) or the Sky free 
> offering would be the only choice, but which one is the easiest to 
> nagivate / use etc. I don't like the Sky vibe where he would have to 
> trundle through lots of unavailable channels to get ones he can see, so in 
> that sense Freesat might be a better choice? I don't think he's too 
> bothered about channel line up, although he might quite like channel 5 
> which isnt on Freesat at the moment.
>
> Any ideas which would be easiest for him? I;ve not seen a Freesat box / 
> EPG so cant make the decision.

I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:KqydneH23ch7fvHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@pipex.net...
> "Carpy"  wrote in message 
> news:Rv4bk.207272$1B6.36545@newsfe21.ams2...
>> Moving on from all the amusing bickering, what are these SD Freesat boxes 
>> like compared to a Sky (Freesat from Sky) installation with regards to an 
>> old age pensioner. I've got an old boy who hasn't got a hope in hell of 
>> getting a decent aerial signal, so either Freesat (SD box) or the Sky 
>> free offering would be the only choice, but which one is the easiest to 
>> nagivate / use etc. I don't like the Sky vibe where he would have to 
>> trundle through lots of unavailable channels to get ones he can see, so 
>> in that sense Freesat might be a better choice? I don't think he's too 
>> bothered about channel line up, although he might quite like channel 5 
>> which isnt on Freesat at the moment.
>>
>> Any ideas which would be easiest for him? I;ve not seen a Freesat box / 
>> EPG so cant make the decision.
>
> I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
> Bill
Buy a couple of FreesatfromSky cards
Get C5 and Fox News, well there's a downside to everything.

Steve Terry

In uk.tech.tv.sky Bill Wright  wrote:

: I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.

While I would say that the £75 Sky-deal (from Argos etc.) which includes
STB, installation and 4 months of 4-Mix Sky TV is unbeatable!

"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
news:g4iojh$t6u$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:KqydneH23ch7fvHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> "Carpy"  wrote in message 
>> news:Rv4bk.207272$1B6.36545@newsfe21.ams2...
>>> Moving on from all the amusing bickering, what are these SD Freesat 
>>> boxes like compared to a Sky (Freesat from Sky) installation with 
>>> regards to an old age pensioner. I've got an old boy who hasn't got a 
>>> hope in hell of getting a decent aerial signal, so either Freesat (SD 
>>> box) or the Sky free offering would be the only choice, but which one is 
>>> the easiest to nagivate / use etc. I don't like the Sky vibe where he 
>>> would have to trundle through lots of unavailable channels to get ones 
>>> he can see, so in that sense Freesat might be a better choice? I don't 
>>> think he's too bothered about channel line up, although he might quite 
>>> like channel 5 which isnt on Freesat at the moment.
>>>
>>> Any ideas which would be easiest for him? I;ve not seen a Freesat box / 
>>> EPG so cant make the decision.
>>
>> I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>> Bill
> Buy a couple of FreesatfromSky cards
> Get C5 and Fox News, well there's a downside to everything.

An installation for a elderly person would be better with Freesat because 
there isn't all that taradiddle if the thing has been unplugged from the 
mains, and the replacement cost of the box is much less.

Also, I had one old guy who took the card out 'for safekeeping' and lost it!

Bill

Steve Terry wrote:
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message
> news:KqydneH23ch7fvHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> "Carpy"  wrote in message
>> news:Rv4bk.207272$1B6.36545@newsfe21.ams2...
>>> Moving on from all the amusing bickering, what are these SD Freesat
>>> boxes like compared to a Sky (Freesat from Sky) installation with
>>> regards to an old age pensioner. I've got an old boy who hasn't got
>>> a hope in hell of getting a decent aerial signal, so either Freesat
>>> (SD box) or the Sky free offering would be the only choice, but
>>> which one is the easiest to nagivate / use etc. I don't like the
>>> Sky vibe where he would have to trundle through lots of unavailable
>>> channels to get ones he can see, so in that sense Freesat might be
>>> a better choice? I don't think he's too bothered about channel line
>>> up, although he might quite like channel 5 which isnt on Freesat at
>>> the moment. Any ideas which would be easiest for him? I;ve not seen a 
>>> Freesat
>>> box / EPG so cant make the decision.
>>
>> I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>> Bill
> Buy a couple of FreesatfromSky cards
> Get C5 and Fox News, well there's a downside to everything.
>
> Steve Terry

You don't get Fox News.
-- 
 >^..^< This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help
her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

"Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
news:g4ipa0$8nl$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> In uk.tech.tv.sky Bill Wright  wrote:
>
> : I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>
> While I would say that the £75 Sky-deal (from Argos etc.) which includes
> STB, installation and 4 months of 4-Mix Sky TV is unbeatable!
>
>
Good deal, i would then replace the dish with a more rain attenuation
proof region 2 dish (or bigger) with a quad LNB to feed extra STBs

Steve Terry

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:3rKdncdAQ5SHdvHVRVnyhgA@brightview.com...
> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message
>> news:KqydneH23ch7fvHVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>> "Carpy"  wrote in message
>>> news:Rv4bk.207272$1B6.36545@newsfe21.ams2...
<snip>
>>>
>>> I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>>> Bill
>>
>> Buy a couple of FreesatfromSky cards
>> Get C5 and Fox News, well there's a downside to everything.
>> Steve Terry
>
> You don't get Fox News.
>
No? Used to, I haven't had a Freesatfromsky card for a year now

So that's a bonus then, no Fox news anymore, who says Sky's all bad

Steve Terry

"Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
news:g4ipa0$8nl$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> In uk.tech.tv.sky Bill Wright  wrote:
>
> : I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>
> While I would say that the £75 Sky-deal (from Argos etc.) which includes
> STB, installation and 4 months of 4-Mix Sky TV is unbeatable!

Yes although I wouldn't like to inflict the lottery of Sky subcontractors on 
him. He might end up with something like this.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/180/onebq0.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8100/twovx2.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1710/threeim7.jpg

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1462/fourfw2.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3794/fiveqv6.jpg

ChrisM wrote:

> Anyway, enough said, eh?. All this bickering over a simple error has wasted 
> FAR more bandwidth than the original mistake!!  :-)

Yes quite. Perhaps at some point some of the perfect posters in this thread 
might like to tell us what it's like to have gone though life with a halo over 
their head, and without ever making a single mistake ever.

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Carpy wrote:

> Yes although I wouldn't like to inflict the lottery of Sky subcontractors on 
> him. He might end up with something like this.
> 
> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/180/onebq0.jpg
> 
> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8100/twovx2.jpg
> 
> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1710/threeim7.jpg
> 
> http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1462/fourfw2.jpg
> 
> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3794/fiveqv6.jpg 

I bet some of the Freesat installers, are just as inept though ?

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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<snip>
>
> Yes quite. Perhaps at some point some of the perfect posters in this 
> thread might like to tell us what it's like to have gone though life 
> with a halo over their head, and without ever making a single 
> mistake ever.
>

No one has said that they have never made a mistake or that they are 
Mr Perfect, but we do know when to either keep quite or say "Sorry", 
and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't care".

"Carpy"  wrote in message 
news:fv6bk.239354$1B6.65937@newsfe21.ams2...
> "Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
> news:g4ipa0$8nl$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> In uk.tech.tv.sky Bill Wright  wrote:
>>
>> : I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>>
>> While I would say that the £75 Sky-deal (from Argos etc.) which includes
>> STB, installation and 4 months of 4-Mix Sky TV is unbeatable!
>
> Yes although I wouldn't like to inflict the lottery of Sky subcontractors 
> on him. He might end up with something like this.
>
> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/180/onebq0.jpg
>
> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8100/twovx2.jpg
>
> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1710/threeim7.jpg
>
> http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1462/fourfw2.jpg
>
> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3794/fiveqv6.jpg
>
Yes, but it's worth it for the STB and 4 months for 4-mix.
Throw the 45cm region 1 and single LNB away

Steve Terry

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6d4b2iFpra7U2@mid.individual.net...
> Carpy wrote:
>
>> Yes although I wouldn't like to inflict the lottery of Sky subcontractors 
>> on him. He might end up with something like this.
>>
>> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/180/onebq0.jpg
>>
>> http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8100/twovx2.jpg
>>
>> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1710/threeim7.jpg
>>
>> http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1462/fourfw2.jpg
>>
>> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3794/fiveqv6.jpg
>
> I bet some of the Freesat installers, are just as inept though ?
> Mark
>
>
Freesat package is 80quid, plus another 50 for a standard STB

You have to really want HD

Steve Terry

"Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
news:g4ipa0$8nl$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> In uk.tech.tv.sky Bill Wright  wrote:
>
> : I'd go for non-Sky Freesat every time. No C5 though for a while.
>
> While I would say that the £75 Sky-deal (from Argos etc.) which includes
> STB, installation and 4 months of 4-Mix Sky TV is unbeatable!

Yes but he wants to do the install, not hand it to Sky.

Bill

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6d4auhFpra7U1@mid.individual.net...
> ChrisM wrote:
>
>> Anyway, enough said, eh?. All this bickering over a simple error has 
>> wasted FAR more bandwidth than the original mistake!!  :-)
>
> Yes quite. Perhaps at some point some of the perfect posters in this 
> thread might like to tell us what it's like to have gone though life with 
> a halo over their head, and without ever making a single mistake ever.

Whereas I make mistakes all the time and admit it. But when something 
happens once it gets up my nose when someone pounces on it.

Bill

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:g4it8m$ko2$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> No one has said that they have never made a mistake or that they are Mr 
> Perfect, but we do know when to either keep quite or say "Sorry", and 
> defiantly when not to say something like "I don't care".

Well if I'm honest I don't care. I think it's utterly trivial and frankly I 
have far more important things to think about. This sort of nit-picking 
prodnosery is more typical of an infants' classroom than anywhere else.

I suppose a newsgroup is a nice safe place in which to annoy other people 
with your nitpickery. Much nicer than doing it in the real world, where a 
smack on the nose might be the only tangible result.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:g4it8m$ko2$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> No one has said that they have never made a mistake or that they 
>> are Mr Perfect, but we do know when to either keep quite or say 
>> "Sorry", and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't 
>> care".
>
> Well if I'm honest I don't care.

You will when you ISP account stops working...

Jerry wrote:
> "John Rumm"  wrote in message 
> news:kM6dnVWTWdZfL_HVnZ2dnUVZ8sHinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> <snip>
>> (Of course you have to allow for the possibility that some complete 
>> plunkers will just mouth off

Touched a nerve by any chance?

> Rather like a certain John Rumm tends to do you mean?... 

citation?


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"John Rumm"  wrote in message 
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> Jerry wrote:
>> "John Rumm"  wrote in message 
>> news:kM6dnVWTWdZfL_HVnZ2dnUVZ8sHinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> <snip>
>>> (Of course you have to allow for the possibility that some 
>>> complete plunkers will just mouth off
>
> Touched a nerve by any chance?

Why are you 'talking' to yourself?!

>
>> Rather like a certain John Rumm tends to do you mean?...
>
> citation?
>

news:kM6dnVWTWdZfL_HVnZ2dnUVZ8sHinZ2d@posted.plusnet

Jerry wrote:

> and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't care". 

What is wrong with honesty?


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Jerry wrote:
> "Silk"  wrote in message 
> news:g4htsj$jn3$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jerry wrote:
>>
>>> The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod Hull"...
>> What clue would lead you to stick your arm up a bird's arse?
> 
> Whhoooosshhhh..... :~( 

Are you absolutely sure about that?

I think maybe you were so busy looking at the micro-light, you missed 
the jet fighter.

"John Rumm"  wrote in message 
news:neudnfmbTdrMm_DVnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Jerry wrote:
>
>> and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't care".
>
> What is wrong with honesty?
>

Nothing but that is not honesty, it's just bloody mindedness.

"Silk"  wrote in message 
news:g4j0vf$j7i$2@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jerry wrote:
>> "Silk"  wrote in message 
>> news:g4htsj$jn3$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jerry wrote:
>>>
>>>> The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod 
>>>> Hull"...
>>> What clue would lead you to stick your arm up a bird's arse?
>>
>> Whhoooosshhhh..... :~(
>
> Are you absolutely sure about that?
>
> I think maybe you were so busy looking at the micro-light, you 
> missed the jet fighter.

What is Bills profession, how did Rod Hull die, what was he doing at 
the time?....

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:StKdnTq6CpZNGPbVnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@pipex.net...
 The Grundig Freesat box has had a software download to allow the viewing of 
non-Freesat channels. However, you have to manually add channels by keying 
in the multiplex details. Oh dear. Can't see Joe Public liking that.
Bill


* *

Hmm....,


And still little or nothing about the Grundig box... lol.


Best wishes,




News Reader

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:g4j14r$mgp$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Silk"  wrote in message 
> news:g4j0vf$j7i$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jerry wrote:
>>> "Silk"  wrote in message 
>>> news:g4htsj$jn3$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jerry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The day you find a clue will be the day that you do a "Rod 
>>>>> Hull"...
>>>> What clue would lead you to stick your arm up a bird's arse?
>>>
>>> Whhoooosshhhh..... :~(
>>
>> Are you absolutely sure about that?
>>
>> I think maybe you were so busy looking at the micro-light, you missed 
>> the jet fighter.
>
> What is Bills profession, how did Rod Hull die, what was he doing at 
> the time?....
>


Rod Hull tried to "emu"late a bird - and fell off a roof.

Bill attaches aerials and dishes to buildings  -  and is well-known as 
an erection specialist!  Furthermore, Bill is one of the most highly 
regarded contributors to this newsgroup.

The misguided people who have taken exception to Bill's isolated and 
unintentional lapse in newsgroup netiquette should follow Rod Hull's 
example - or shut up.  This correspondence has nothing whatsoever to do 
with the subject matter - and is using a lot more bandwidth than the 
original lapse.  Quite frankly, it is very boring.

In article <g4j08g$fo1$2@registered.motzarella.org>, Jerry wrote:
> >> No one has said that they have never made a mistake or that they 
> >> are Mr Perfect, but we do know when to either keep quite or say 
> >> "Sorry", and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't 
> >> care".
> >
> > Well if I'm honest I don't care.
> 
> You will when you ISP account stops working... 

Which ISPs are stopping accounts for posting HTML in newsgroups?

It's annoying, but not *that* annoying.

Rod.

Jerry wrote:

> What is Bills profession, how did Rod Hull die, what was he doing at 
> the time?.... 

Clue: We already know this.

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:g4j08g$fo1$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> Well if I'm honest I don't care.
>
> You will when you ISP account stops working...

You silly, pathetic, little man.

Bill

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "John Rumm"  wrote in message 
> news:neudnfmbTdrMm_DVnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> Jerry wrote:
>>
>>> and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't care".
>>
>> What is wrong with honesty?
>>
>
> Nothing but that is not honesty, it's just bloody mindedness.

Yes that's right, and I'll tell you something. If more people exhibited a 
bit of bloodymindedness now and then we'd have less outrageous incursions 
into our liberty in this country.

Bloodymindedness is good. Rolling on your back like a spaniel and saying "Oh 
sorry sir, please forgive me sir, I'll not do it again sir!" is bad. It's 
that sort of spineless behaviour that lets government (in all its forms) and 
business (in all its forms) get away with their routine crapping on Joe 
Public. Why do we just stand there and take the shit that's thrown at us in 
this country? Go on, I dare you! Next time some little fucker decides to 
spoil your day just so he can get off on it, or next time you're treated 
like a moron by the doctor's receptionist, or next time the supermarket 
closes the till that you've queued ten minutes for* then think BLOODYMINDED! 
Give then hell!

*This happened to me twice (two tills one after the other) so I wrote my 
name and address on a piece of paper, left it on the till, and set off with 
my unpaidfor shopping. I also made a short speech to the rest of the queue 
encouraging them to do likewise. They tried bullying and shouting and 
threats but very quickly opened a till for me. The manager then said I was 
'banned'! Fabulous!

 Bill

In article <g4j08g$fo1$2@registered.motzarella.org>, Jerry
<INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> scribeth thus
>
>"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
>news:iPGdnV4ExYionPDVnZ2dnUVZ8umdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
>> news:g4it8m$ko2$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> No one has said that they have never made a mistake or that they 
>>> are Mr Perfect, but we do know when to either keep quite or say 
>>> "Sorry", and defiantly when not to say something like "I don't 
>>> care".
>>
>> Well if I'm honest I don't care.
>
>You will when you ISP account stops working... 
>
>

Bullocks!.. do you think ISP's give a toss?..

If HTML posting was such a bad thing they'd filter it off..
-- 
Tony Sayer