We've borrowed an oldish Bush DVHRS02 DVD/VCR Recorder to get some of
our old VHS tapes copied to DVD. My existing setup is Panasonic
TX-32LXD52 32" LCD TV, Philips DVD757VR combo, Sky+ box (i.e. no DVD
record facility).

I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
bright green overcast.

HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.

Can any of the technical experts suggest the likely cause & cure
please?

On a different point: the Bush accepts only DVD+R and DVD+RW types.
The first fresh DVD+RW I tried was rejected as the wrong type. I tried
another DVD+RW, a different brand but already used previously, and
that was accepted. Are you supposed to format discs before use? Or is
the Bush probably just fussy about brands?

-- 
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
> We've borrowed an oldish Bush DVHRS02 DVD/VCR Recorder to get some of
> our old VHS tapes copied to DVD. My existing setup is Panasonic
> TX-32LXD52 32" LCD TV, Philips DVD757VR combo, Sky+ box (i.e. no DVD
> record facility).
>
> I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> bright green overcast.
>
> HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
> and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
> DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.
>
> Can any of the technical experts suggest the likely cause & cure
> please?

Most likely would be one of the Scart connectors is not seated properly.

> On a different point: the Bush accepts only DVD+R and DVD+RW types.
> The first fresh DVD+RW I tried was rejected as the wrong type. I tried
> another DVD+RW, a different brand but already used previously, and
> that was accepted. Are you supposed to format discs before use? Or is
> the Bush probably just fussy about brands?


-- 
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her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

Adrian wrote:
> 
> Terry Pinnell wrote:
> > We've borrowed an oldish Bush DVHRS02 DVD/VCR Recorder to get some of
> > our old VHS tapes copied to DVD. My existing setup is Panasonic
> > TX-32LXD52 32" LCD TV, Philips DVD757VR combo, Sky+ box (i.e. no DVD
> > record facility).
> >
> > I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> > RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> > the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> > bright green overcast.
> >
> > HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
> > and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
> > DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.
> >
> > Can any of the technical experts suggest the likely cause & cure
> > please?
> 
> Most likely would be one of the Scart connectors is not seated properly.
> 
I'd have to agree.


-- 
Paul  (We won't die of devotion)  
-------------------------------------------------------   
Stop and Look 
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Paul Heslop  wrote:

>Adrian wrote:
>> 
>> Terry Pinnell wrote:
>> > We've borrowed an oldish Bush DVHRS02 DVD/VCR Recorder to get some of
>> > our old VHS tapes copied to DVD. My existing setup is Panasonic
>> > TX-32LXD52 32" LCD TV, Philips DVD757VR combo, Sky+ box (i.e. no DVD
>> > record facility).
>> >
>> > I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
>> > RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
>> > the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
>> > bright green overcast.
>> >
>> > HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
>> > and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
>> > DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.
>> >
>> > Can any of the technical experts suggest the likely cause & cure
>> > please?
>> 
>> Most likely would be one of the Scart connectors is not seated properly.
>> 
>I'd have to agree.

Thanks both, but naturally I ensured they were OK, just as they have
been for the last year or so.

I managed to reach Bush/Alba technical support and the prompt
diagnosis I received was similar: "Faulty SCART cable." Although I
didn't see how that could possibly be the case (for the reason I've
just given, namely a long period trouble-free use, with DVD and VCR
signals), I did change it for another - with the same green result.

Yet, given that the copying is OK, which doesn't *use* the SCART, I
can therefore only guess that it could be the SCART socket (or
associated components) on the Bush. Does that sound reasonable please?
Or could it be anything to do with the fact that the SCART cable goes
to (or comes from!) the Sky+ box? Maybe that's fine for the Philips
but not for the Bush?

-- 
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

It must be the connection(s) between the boxes because when you copy
using the Bush's internal DVD-R, which I presume because you say that
you've unplugged your Philips DVD-R, it shows no problem.

I'm not clear from your description whether the connection path
between the Bush and the TV goes through the Sky STB.  Presumably and
hopefully not, but if so the first thing is to try connecting the Bush
directly to the TV.

My best guess is that the Bush is outputting either Component Video or
RGB Sync On Green, and the TV is not configured to/cannot accept that.

Check in the menus of both devices that they are both set to send and
receive the same type of signal: either both RGB, or both Component.
If you then still get the problem, most likely the Bush is sending
RGBSoG, which the TV doesn't understand, and you'd then have to
configure both to use inferior Composite Video instead.

See:
	http://tinyurl.com/5ntoxb
	... standing in for ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video#YPbPr_analog_component_video
"A monitor" (or presumably a TV) "that is not equipped to handle SoG
will display an image with an extreme green tint, if any image at all,
when given a SoG input."

And:
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YPbPr

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:39:14 +0100, Terry Pinnell
 wrote:
> 
> I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> bright green overcast.
> 
> HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
> and was surprised to find it worked OK.

Terry Pinnell wrote:

> We've borrowed an oldish Bush DVHRS02 DVD/VCR Recorder to get some of
> our old VHS tapes copied to DVD. My existing setup is Panasonic
> TX-32LXD52 32" LCD TV, Philips DVD757VR combo, Sky+ box (i.e. no DVD
> record facility).
> 
> I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> bright green overcast.
> 
> HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
> and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
> DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.
> 
> Can any of the technical experts suggest the likely cause & cure
> please?

Known problem with Panasonic tellies (which I also have).

Your VCR is outputting RGB with sync-on-green. This confuses the colour
balance circuits in the TV resulting in a bright green display. I had the
same problem with a Hauppauge MVP, the fix was to switch the MVP into
S-video mode. Alternatively it is possible to disconnect pin 16 in the
SCART cable to force the TV into using composite video, but there is a
loss of picture quality.

Dave

Terry Pinnell wrote:
> 
> Paul Heslop  wrote:
> 
> >Adrian wrote:
> >>
> >> Terry Pinnell wrote:
> >> > We've borrowed an oldish Bush DVHRS02 DVD/VCR Recorder to get some of
> >> > our old VHS tapes copied to DVD. My existing setup is Panasonic
> >> > TX-32LXD52 32" LCD TV, Philips DVD757VR combo, Sky+ box (i.e. no DVD
> >> > record facility).
> >> >
> >> > I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> >> > RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> >> > the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> >> > bright green overcast.
> >> >
> >> > HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
> >> > and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
> >> > DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.
> >> >
> >> > Can any of the technical experts suggest the likely cause & cure
> >> > please?
> >>
> >> Most likely would be one of the Scart connectors is not seated properly.
> >>
> >I'd have to agree.
> 
> Thanks both, but naturally I ensured they were OK, just as they have
> been for the last year or so.
> 
> I managed to reach Bush/Alba technical support and the prompt
> diagnosis I received was similar: "Faulty SCART cable." Although I
> didn't see how that could possibly be the case (for the reason I've
> just given, namely a long period trouble-free use, with DVD and VCR
> signals), I did change it for another - with the same green result.
> 
> Yet, given that the copying is OK, which doesn't *use* the SCART, I
> can therefore only guess that it could be the SCART socket (or
> associated components) on the Bush. Does that sound reasonable please?
> Or could it be anything to do with the fact that the SCART cable goes
> to (or comes from!) the Sky+ box? Maybe that's fine for the Philips
> but not for the Bush?
> 
> --
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK

it would be entirely possible for a Bush, or even one of the bigger
names, to have this kind of fault.

You should check that the scart is using the RGB out socket on the
Bush and RGB in on the tv.

-- 
Paul  (We won't die of devotion)  
-------------------------------------------------------   
Stop and Look 
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Ah!  I have Panasonic TVs as well, but have not actually encountered
this problem, so my contribution was just a good guess.

Perhaps to avoid hacking his cables around, the OP can use Composite
Video In on SCART AV2, if his model has this connection  -  the
smaller of mine doesn't, the larger does.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:48:14 +0100, Dave Pickles
 wrote:

> Terry Pinnell wrote:
> > 
> > I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> > RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> > the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> > bright green overcast.
> 
> Known problem with Panasonic tellies (which I also have).
> 
> Your VCR is outputting RGB with sync-on-green. This confuses the colour
> balance circuits in the TV resulting in a bright green display. I had the
> same problem with a Hauppauge MVP, the fix was to switch the MVP into
> S-video mode. Alternatively it is possible to disconnect pin 16 in the
> SCART cable to force the TV into using composite video, but there is a
> loss of picture quality.

Java Jive  wrote:

>Ah!  I have Panasonic TVs as well, but have not actually encountered
>this problem, so my contribution was just a good guess.
>
>Perhaps to avoid hacking his cables around, the OP can use Composite
>Video In on SCART AV2, if his model has this connection  -  the
>smaller of mine doesn't, the larger does.
>
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:48:14 +0100, Dave Pickles
> wrote:
>
>> Terry Pinnell wrote:
>> > 
>> > I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
>> > RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
>> > the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
>> > bright green overcast.
>> 
>> Known problem with Panasonic tellies (which I also have).
>> 
>> Your VCR is outputting RGB with sync-on-green. This confuses the colour
>> balance circuits in the TV resulting in a bright green display. I had the
>> same problem with a Hauppauge MVP, the fix was to switch the MVP into
>> S-video mode. Alternatively it is possible to disconnect pin 16 in the
>> SCART cable to force the TV into using composite video, but there is a
>> loss of picture quality.

Thanks both, pleased to find the answer to this puzzle.

I'll live with it for the duration of this loan, as it's not affecting
the copying itself.

---------

This is the first time I've done any VCR to DVD copying and so the
first time I've encountered the issue of the short duration capacity
of a DVD using standard quality. Disappointing! Particularly because
for many of my VHS recordings I didn't note their length, so have to
guess whether to use SP or EP (lower quality).

-- 
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Terry Pinnell  wrote:

> I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
> RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
> the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
> bright green overcast.

Assuming that the system worked ok before, the green cast would occur if
the new box was configured to send 'component' ('YUV', 'YPbPr') instead
of 'RGB' or 'PAL' to the telly. It's not a facility that's usually
included (except on phono sockets) but at least one box, the SetPal,
allows component via scart. 

Look in the Bush menu and set the ouput to RGB. 

> HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
> and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
> DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.

Yes, the copy would be made via internal connections. The PAL composite
(CVBS) signal from the vcr would be converted to YCbCr for the DVD
recorder and recorded correctly. Presumably this also happens on direct
viewing of tapes, hence you are seeing the YPbPr signal with VHS as
well, rather than the more normal CVBS from a stand-alone VHS player.

Incidentally, it should be possible simply to connect your new Bush box
somewhere in the scart chain without disconnecting any of the other kit.

-- 
Alan Pemberton
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England
To e-mail me directly, please visit
<http://www.pembers.freeserve.co.uk/index.html#Mail-me>

Spambox@pembers.freeserve.co.uk.invalid (Alan Pemberton) wrote:

>Terry Pinnell  wrote:
>
>> I've got it working after a fashion by simply removing the SCART and
>> RF lead connections from the Philips and connecting them instead to
>> the Bush. But when I play either a DVD or VHS, the picture has a
>> bright green overcast.
>
>Assuming that the system worked ok before, the green cast would occur if
>the new box was configured to send 'component' ('YUV', 'YPbPr') instead
>of 'RGB' or 'PAL' to the telly. It's not a facility that's usually
>included (except on phono sockets) but at least one box, the SetPal,
>allows component via scart. 
>
>Look in the Bush menu and set the ouput to RGB. 
>
>> HOWEVER ... I thought I'd try the Copy VCR to DVD operation anyway,
>> and was surprised to find it worked OK. When I played the resultant
>> DVD on my PC, it looked and sounded fine.
>
>Yes, the copy would be made via internal connections. The PAL composite
>(CVBS) signal from the vcr would be converted to YCbCr for the DVD
>recorder and recorded correctly. Presumably this also happens on direct
>viewing of tapes, hence you are seeing the YPbPr signal with VHS as
>well, rather than the more normal CVBS from a stand-alone VHS player.
>
>Incidentally, it should be possible simply to connect your new Bush box
>somewhere in the scart chain without disconnecting any of the other kit.

Thanks Alan. I did indeed manage to connect it without disconnecting
existing stuff, with a Scart from AV4 on the TV to the Bush. And,
although I could swear I'd tried this before without success, when I
experimentally switched that from AV4 to AV2 I was surprised but
pleased to see the green cast had gone!

Have now managed to do all the VHS -> DVD  copying I want for time
being. It proved fraught with various other quirks, including disc
errors ('cyclic redundancy checks', whatever they are) which prevented
my copying the DVD to my HD for editing. (Yet in some cases I could do
so using editing software such as VideoRedo, which is apparently more
tolerant of such errors than Windows Explorer.)

And the latest problem to baffle me was that I was unable to access
the full Bush DVD Menu, to use Erase on some already-written DVD+RW
discs. Yet I *had* done so the day before!

-- 
Terry, East Grinstead, UK