On 21 Oct, 10:20, Dickie mint 
wrote:
> Brian Mc wrote:
> > Don't see this here - but it is being commented on a lot elsewhere!
>
> > The BBC are going to switch off two of the three streams it uses for "red
> > button" content from 27th October.
>
> > This will cause the loss of channel 302 and news multiscreen.
>
> > Seehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2009/10_octobe...
>
> "Later this week the BBC will publish details of the Notice to Tender
> for the sub-lease of capacity on Freeview Multiplex B which will be
> temporarily left vacant when the streams are switched off."
>
> So why not wait until it has to be "switched off", surely the BBC should
> not be using bitrate to make a profit?

I think, like the DAB changes of over half a decade ago, they're
culling things long before they need to.

It's not at all clear to me, but it _seems_ they're dropping things
that won't fit on the single BBC mux in post swich-over areas... but
then selling off the space in pre-switch over areas?

None of the articles _say_ this, but it seems to be what's happening.
Anyone who understands it better, please chime in!

Also, someone on DigitalSpy has pointed out that in this great OfCom
plan to shoehorn HD into the existing muxes, the BBC was supposed to
be given some space on D3&4 - if so, why do they need to drop
services?

It's all very strange.

Some of the BBCi stuff they're dropping from Freeview doesn't work on
Freesat either. The only place to get the full BBCi service is on a
Sky box (and, presumably, cable).

Cheers,
David.

davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:

> 
> Also, someone on DigitalSpy has pointed out that in this great OfCom
> plan to shoehorn HD into the existing muxes, the BBC was supposed to
> be given some space on D3&4 - if so, why do they need to drop
> services?
> 
> It's all very strange.

As I speculated in the DS thread, I wonder if it's got something to do 
with an old plan the Beeb had to extend CBBC hours until 22:00hrs (or 
for that matter pull BBC 3's start time to before 19:00hrs) ? They'd 
need to allocate BBC 3 and CBBC their own dedicated streams to do that, 
and one way might be to rob BBCi of bandwidth ?


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galaxyguy wrote:

> BBC News Multi-screen is a very useful service and should not be taken
> off Freeview. Are they serious? It is a service that anyone from 11-90
> could find useful. Even the suggestion of extending CBBC to 22.00
> hours would be deeply damaging to the well being of children. 

I think they're probably thinking about 14-16 age bracket for the 
extension to 22:00hrs, what time were you in bed at 16 ?

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Mark Carver wrote:
> davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
> 
>>
>> Also, someone on DigitalSpy has pointed out that in this great OfCom
>> plan to shoehorn HD into the existing muxes, the BBC was supposed to
>> be given some space on D3&4 - if so, why do they need to drop
>> services?
>>
>> It's all very strange.
> 
> As I speculated in the DS thread, I wonder if it's got something to do 
> with an old plan the Beeb had to extend CBBC hours until 22:00hrs (or 
> for that matter pull BBC 3's start time to before 19:00hrs) ? They'd 
> need to allocate BBC 3 and CBBC their own dedicated streams to do that, 
> and one way might be to rob BBCi of bandwidth ?
> 
> 
Yes, but,  they're also talking about sub leasing the "temporary" space!
I suspect mandarin against production in the beeb!

Richard

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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: davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
:
: >
: > Also, someone on DigitalSpy has pointed out that in this 
great OfCom
: > plan to shoehorn HD into the existing muxes, the BBC was 
supposed to
: > be given some space on D3&4 - if so, why do they need to drop
: > services?
: >
: > It's all very strange.
:
: As I speculated in the DS thread, I wonder if it's got 
something to do
: with an old plan the Beeb had to extend CBBC hours until 
22:00hrs

WTF would they want to do that, kids (the age that would be 
watching the CBBC channel) should be in bed long before 22:00 
hrs, not being temped by their own dedicated TV channel!

(or
: for that matter pull BBC 3's start time to before 19:00hrs) ? 
They'd

...be better to scarp BBC3, couldn't agree more! What is the 
frecking point of repeating Eastenders (the only, even, half 
decent regular programme on the channel) an hour after it was 
screened on BBC1, even more so when the BBC offer a frecking 
omnibus edition too at the weekend and the almost universal 
ownership of either VCR, PVR device or access to the BBC's IP 
based catch-up service...

: need to allocate BBC 3 and CBBC their own dedicated streams to 
do that,
: and one way might be to rob BBCi of bandwidth ?
:

If that is their true plans it just proves that those who are 
running the BBC (with nothing other than a business degree from 
some business school no doubt) should not be in the industry 
never mind in control of the national PSB broadcasting 
organisation. Sack the bloody lot of them!

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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: galaxyguy wrote:
:
: > BBC News Multi-screen is a very useful service and should not 
be taken
: > off Freeview. Are they serious? It is a service that anyone 
from 11-90
: > could find useful. Even the suggestion of extending CBBC to 
22.00
: > hours would be deeply damaging to the well being of children.
:
: I think they're probably thinking about 14-16 age bracket for 
the
: extension to 22:00hrs, what time were you in bed at 16 ?
:

That age group should be encouraged to watch main-stream 
programming (and all the kids that I've ever come into contact 
with say they do so anyway), as for the 'watershed', IIRC the BBC 
is actively looking at moving it to 22:00hrs anyway. I would 
argue that CBeebies and CBBC could actually close an hour or two 
earlier rather than an hour or two later - in the case of CBBC.

Jerry wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 

> : As I speculated in the DS thread, I wonder if it's got 
> something to do
> : with an old plan the Beeb had to extend CBBC hours until 
> 22:00hrs
> 
> WTF would they want to do that, kids (the age that would be 
> watching the CBBC channel) should be in bed long before 22:00 
> hrs, not being temped by their own dedicated TV channel!

Well, they were thinking about it three years ago, I'm just suggesting 
that perhaps it may have come back off the back burner:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/nov/15/broadcasting.bbc4


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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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[ re BBC Three ]
:
: Well, they were thinking about it three years ago, I'm just 
suggesting
: that perhaps it may have come back off the back burner:
:

Fair do's, but in that time haven't they converted BBC Three into 
'TeensTV' anyway?

"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7k8s6uF37ubvvU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> [ re BBC Three ]
> :
> : Well, they were thinking about it three years ago, I'm just
> suggesting
> : that perhaps it may have come back off the back burner:
> :
>
> Fair do's, but in that time haven't they converted BBC Three into
> 'TeensTV' anyway?

Why don't they just combine CBBC with BBC3 and then they can gradually 
change from one kind of material to the other as the evening wears on? Call 
it 'Hip TV' or whatever word the cats use these days.

-- 
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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Also, someone on DigitalSpy has pointed out that in this great OfCom
>> plan to shoehorn HD into the existing muxes, the BBC was supposed to
>> be given some space on D3&4 - if so, why do they need to drop
>> services?
>>
>> It's all very strange.
>
> As I speculated in the DS thread, I wonder if it's got something to do
> with an old plan the Beeb had to extend CBBC hours until 22:00hrs (or for
> that matter pull BBC 3's start time to before 19:00hrs) ? They'd need to
> allocate BBC 3 and CBBC their own dedicated streams to do that, and one
> way might be to rob BBCi of bandwidth ?

This may have nothing to do with it, but ITV 2+1 has moved to the main ITV
mux in preparation for the change to ITV 1+1. With both this and Channel 4+1
on Freeview, I think the BBC will feel obliged to start BBC 1+1.

They may need to make room for this now, even if they won't admit this is
what they're doing it for.

"galaxyguy"  wrote in message 
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> On 21 Oct, 12:34, Mark Carver <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> davidrobin...@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
> BBC News Multi-screen is a very useful service and should not be taken
> off Freeview. Are they serious? It is a service that anyone from 11-90
> could find useful.

Are you suggesting that my dad should stop using it on Dec 28th?

Bill

The red button has been a bit of a flop it seems though. I mentioned it to 
some people, not blind, by th way, and nobody really saw any point in it 
except the sport freaks, and they said it was hardly ever the sport they 
wonted anyway and had Sky because of that fact.

I wonder if the red button survey is going to throw up the reason for 
premature culling?
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7k89teF38ngg1U1@mid.individual.net...
> davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
>
>>
>> Also, someone on DigitalSpy has pointed out that in this great OfCom
>> plan to shoehorn HD into the existing muxes, the BBC was supposed to
>> be given some space on D3&4 - if so, why do they need to drop
>> services?
>>
>> It's all very strange.
>
> As I speculated in the DS thread, I wonder if it's got something to do 
> with an old plan the Beeb had to extend CBBC hours until 22:00hrs (or for 
> that matter pull BBC 3's start time to before 19:00hrs) ? They'd need to 
> allocate BBC 3 and CBBC their own dedicated streams to do that, and one 
> way might be to rob BBCi of bandwidth ?
>
>
> -- 
> Mark
> Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
>
> http://www.paras.org.uk/

"Brian Gaff"  wrote in message 
news:xSTDm.263$5w5.18@text.news.virginmedia.com...
: The red button has been a bit of a flop it seems though. I 
mentioned it to
: some people, not blind, by th way, and nobody really saw any 
point in it
: except the sport freaks, and they said it was hardly ever the 
sport they
: wonted anyway and had Sky because of that fact.
:
: I wonder if the red button survey is going to throw up the 
reason for
: premature culling?

Err, digital-text (the successor to Ceefax) is hugely popular, 
and much of the content on the LCN in question is nothing to do 
with sport, I suspect that you are just moving in rather ignorant 
circles personally!

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:42:08 +0100, Jerry wrote:

> Err, digital-text (the successor to Ceefax) is hugely popular, 
> and much of the content on the LCN in question is nothing to do 
> with sport, I suspect that you are just moving in rather ignorant 
> circles personally! 

I suspect the great unwashed are expecting to find teletext/ceefax
under the buttom marked "text" on their remote. When that doesn't
work they just assume it's not available on the platform they are
watching and don't go looking for it.

The red button is plugged as providing extra features related to the
programme that is currently being transmitted, not as a replacement
or equivalent of teletext.


-- 
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in 
message 
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: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:42:08 +0100, Jerry wrote:
:
: > Err, digital-text (the successor to Ceefax) is hugely 
popular,
: > and much of the content on the LCN in question is nothing to 
do
: > with sport, I suspect that you are just moving in rather 
ignorant
: > circles personally!
:
: I suspect the great unwashed are expecting to find 
teletext/ceefax
: under the buttom marked "text" on their remote. When that 
doesn't
: work they just assume it's not available on the platform they 
are
: watching and don't go looking for it.
:
: The red button is plugged as providing extra features related 
to the
: programme that is currently being transmitted, not as a 
replacement
: or equivalent of teletext.
:

The read button is being 'plugged' as providing extra services, 
*not* just those extra features related to the programme that is 
currently being transmitted, for example the news multiscreen is 
available whilst tuned to BBC1 that is - at the time of writing 
this post - broadcasting "To Buy Or Not To Buy", a programme 
about house buying and the often available sports loop can be 
seen when there is no sports programming on any of the main BBC 
channels, CBBC-extra is often available via the red button when 
no children's programmes are otherwise being broadcast.

"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Brian Gaff"  wrote in message
> news:xSTDm.263$5w5.18@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> : The red button has been a bit of a flop it seems though. I
> mentioned it to
> : some people, not blind, by th way, and nobody really saw any
> point in it
> : except the sport freaks, and they said it was hardly ever the
> sport they
> : wonted anyway and had Sky because of that fact.
> :
> : I wonder if the red button survey is going to throw up the
> reason for
> : premature culling?
>
> Err, digital-text (the successor to Ceefax) is hugely popular,

Who with? It's little better than Ceefax - just quicker to access the 
sub-pages.

They could have put a lot more text on the pages, and included pictures. 
They could have allowed the text size to be changed - at least Ceefax has 
double height.

-- 
Max Demian

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), galaxyguy
 wrote:

>BBC News Multi-screen is a very useful service and should not be taken
>off Freeview. Are they serious? It is a service that anyone from 11-90
>could find useful. 

The BBC already has a 24-hour rolling news channel. Is there anything
that cannot be delivered via the full spectrum television channel and
has to instead be hidden behind the incessant calls to "press your red
buttons now" ?

--

Jerry wrote:

> The red button is being 'plugged' as providing extra services, 
> *not* just those extra features related to the programme that is 
> currently being transmitted, for example the news multiscreen is 
> available whilst tuned to BBC1 that is - at the time of writing 
> this post - broadcasting "To Buy Or Not To Buy", a programme 
> about house buying and the often available sports loop can be 
> seen when there is no sports programming on any of the main BBC 
> channels, CBBC-extra is often available via the red button when 
> no children's programmes are otherwise being broadcast. 
> 
> 
And there was the quite successful 6 regions TV loop thing that the 
government/BoD? thought others should be doing.  And aren't!

Richard

"Zero Tolerance"  wrote in message 
news:4ae040cf.352361734@enews.newsguy.com...
<snip>
:
: The BBC already has a 24-hour rolling news channel. Is there 
anything
: that cannot be delivered via the full spectrum television 
channel and

Yes, the on demand rolling headlines summery that the BBC is 
planning to close, it can be a good half hour before many news 
stories are repeated on the 24-hour rolling news channel due to 
all the other crap and non news that they 'fill' the channel with 
whilst the scrolling ticker-tape is worse than useless most of 
the time.

: has to instead be hidden behind the incessant calls to "press 
your red
: buttons now" ?
:

Indeed, the incessant calls to "Press Red" are annoying...

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:24:44 +0100, Jerry wrote:

> The read button is being 'plugged' as providing extra services, 
> *not* just those extra features related to the programme that is 
> currently being transmitted, 

It's plugged with "for more information about..." or "to see last
weeks episode..." or some other flim flam related to the current
programme. I've not seen anything that indicates that the News
Multiscreen (for example) is available 24/7, even though it is.

Text is under the text button to the great unwashed. I can see the in
laws getting annoyed when DSO hits them next year and having to learn
a whole new set of page numbers/menus.

Had a quick play this morning, still very slow to load stuff. And why
don't you get a full screen or at least a small bordered picture if
you select one of the feeds instaed of a slightly larger postage
stamp. Don't answer that I know, bandwidth. The pixelation around a
weather man was dreadful this morning and this was on DSAT not DTTV.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

"Kennedy McEwen"  wrote in message 
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: In article <hbpmah$bpb$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Jerry
: <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> writes
: >
<snip>
: >Indeed, the incessant calls to "Press Red" are annoying...
: >
: Go on, be a rebel - Press "Text" instead!  ;-)

Why do you think I need to be *told* to do anything? Anyway, if I 
press the (most prominent) 'Red Button' on my remote I turn the 
TV off!

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:19:21 +0100, "Jerry"
<mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:

>Yes, the on demand rolling headlines summery that the BBC is 
>planning to close, it can be a good half hour before many news 
>stories are repeated on the 24-hour rolling news channel due to 
>all the other crap and non news that they 'fill' the channel with 
>whilst the scrolling ticker-tape is worse than useless most of 
>the time.

Goodness. A whole half hour's wait for the news. How terrible.
--

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:50:40 +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

> Which brings up EXACTLY the same menu as the "Red" button does!

Not here. Press text on the TV remote when watching DSAT I now get a
black screen with some pages numbers but no teletext header of any
description (at least on the few channels I tried). Press "text" on
the DSAT remote does, eventually, give you the red button stuff.

Don't under estimate how silly Joe Public can be.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in 
message 
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: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:50:40 +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:
:
: > Which brings up EXACTLY the same menu as the "Red" button 
does!
:
: Not here. Press text on the TV remote when watching DSAT

Fucking retard, try reading the thread, or even just the subject 
line!

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:12:54 +0100, Jerry wrote:

>:> Which brings up EXACTLY the same menu as the "Red" button 
>:> does!
>:
>: Not here. Press text on the TV remote when watching DSAT
> 
> Fucking retard, try reading the thread, 

To the great unwashed a text button is a text button. One doesn't
work. You don't even get instructions on how to get to digital text.
You did at one time. 

With *lots* of people still watching analogue and being forced to
digital be that DTTV or DST it would be useful just to have 1 page of
teletext telling people how to find digital text.

> or even just the subject line!

Thread drift. Happend all the time, live with it.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in 
message 
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: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:12:54 +0100, Jerry wrote:
:
: >:> Which brings up EXACTLY the same menu as the "Red" button
: >:> does!
: >:
: >: Not here. Press text on the TV remote when watching DSAT
: >
: > Fucking retard, try reading the thread,
:
: To the great unwashed a text button is a text button. One 
doesn't
: work. You don't even get instructions on how to get to digital 
text.
: You did at one time.

Err, what about that "Press Red" OSG in the corner of the screen 
or the instruction book supplied with TV's or STBs, what do you 
think should be done to inform people, a personal visit by 
someone to the home perhaps?!

:
: With *lots* of people still watching analogue and being forced 
to
: digital be that DTTV or DST it would be useful just to have 1 
page of
: teletext telling people how to find digital text.

Irrelevant, if they can't find the "Red Button" (having read the 
instructions) how would repeating the same instructions on 
teletext help?...

:
: > or even just the subject line!
:
: Thread drift. Happend all the time, live with it.
:

Except the only person who has drifted it would seem is you!

"galaxyguy"  wrote in message 
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<snip>

Oh look, it's another whinging Google groupie who thinks they are 
posting to a (most probably, moderated) web forum...

:
: I object to the foul language and rudeness on this thread, it 
is quite
: uncalled for and should not be tolerated.

Welcome to Usenet - don't like it, the door is that way ===>>
<snip the rest of your ignorant whinging>

Zero Tolerance wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT), galaxyguy
>  wrote:
>
>> BBC News Multi-screen is a very useful service and should not be
>> taken off Freeview. Are they serious? It is a service that anyone
>> from 11-90 could find useful.
>
> The BBC already has a 24-hour rolling news channel. Is there anything
> that cannot be delivered via the full spectrum television channel and
> has to instead be hidden behind the incessant calls to "press your red
> buttons now" ?
>

Well a very large number of people apparently watch the F1 forum after the 
race.  Another reason I can think of is that a rather irate friend of mine 
rang up the other day complaining bitterly that he was unable to watch the 
big snooker match on BBC 2 as advertised.. he can only receive Welsh TV 
because of his location in Somerset.. as for some reason they had decided to 
substitute it with an edition of Mastermind instead, fortunately I was able 
to tell him to press the red button, which thankfully solved his problem.

"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7k8s6uF37ubvvU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> [ re BBC Three ]
> :
> : Well, they were thinking about it three years ago, I'm just
> suggesting
> : that perhaps it may have come back off the back burner:
> :
>
> Fair do's, but in that time haven't they converted BBC Three into
> 'TeensTV' anyway?

My 11 and 9 year olds wait for BBC3 to start at 7pm so they can watch Dr Who 
repeats. As they're a bit old for being read to, I welcome this.
However, the TV gets switched off at 8pm, then the eldest reads and the 
youngest goes to sleep!

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:07:32 +0100, "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Well a very large number of people apparently watch the F1 forum after the 
>race. 

In which case, if this is a programme of sufficient quality to be
broadcast, broadcast it on a proper television channel instead of
hidden behind such "press red" mullarkey. 

>Another reason I can think of is that a rather irate friend of mine 
>rang up the other day complaining bitterly that he was unable to watch the 
>big snooker match on BBC 2 as advertised.. he can only receive Welsh TV 
>because of his location in Somerset.. as for some reason they had decided to 
>substitute it with an edition of Mastermind instead, fortunately I was able 
>to tell him to press the red button, which thankfully solved his problem.

Indeed, we can only hope that perhaps the BBC will start taking
greater care about what it schedules and where. 

--

On 23 Oct, 14:41, Paul Martin  wrote:
> In article ,
>         davidrobin...@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 23 Oct, 10:47, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID>
> > wrote:
> >> "galaxyguy"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:35edd245-a6fe-4b32-ae84-258294cbb86a@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com..> >> <snip>
>
> >> Oh look, it's another whinging Google groupie who thinks they are
> >> posting to a (most probably, moderated) web forum...
>
> >> : I object to the foul language and rudeness on this thread, it is
> >> : quite uncalled for and should not be tolerated.
>
> >> Welcome to Usenet - don't like it, the door is that way ===>>
> >> <snip the rest of your ignorant whinging>
> > But that's why trolls like you post, isn't it Jerry? Your aim is to
> > drive all civilised people away from discussion groups, leaving them a
> > wasteland.
>
> The reason he posts here might be because he's been banned from web
> forums, perhaps?
>
> Jerry likes to badmouth people for no obvious reason other than it
> would appear they're not himself. He has no tolerance for such "fools"
> who have decided not to be Jerry. I'm sure Jerry has much to contribute
> if he could overcome his keyboard Tourettes.

I always wonder if people who behave badly on t'internet are just like
that in real life, or are more like some of the old football hooligans
i.e. polite bank clerks during week days, expressing their anger where
no one knows them.

Cheers,
David.

davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
> On 22 Oct, 21:18, "Dave Liquorice" 
> wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:50:40 +0100, Kennedy McEwen wrote:
>>
>>>Which brings up EXACTLY the same menu as the "Red" button does!
>>
>>Not here. Press text on the TV remote when watching DSAT I now get a
>>black screen with some pages numbers but no teletext header of any
>>description (at least on the few channels I tried). Press "text" on
>>the DSAT remote does, eventually, give you the red button stuff.
>>
>>Don't under estimate how silly Joe Public can be.
> 
> 
> But for 99%+ of people, DSAT=Sky, and most people with Sky have lost
> their original TV remote, and only use the Sky remote. So no chance of
> them pressing "Text" on their TV remote.
> 
> However, with Freeview, there are lots of boxes+remotes where you need
> to keep your TV remote handy - and that's exactly why Aunty says
> "Press Red" rather than "Press Text" - to avoid the confusion you
> describe.
> 
> And it's a fair point - in most other countries with digital TV
> services, pressing Text on the TV remote still brings up teletext. The
> UK is in the minority in that it's dumped "analogue" (VBI) teletext on
> the digital service.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.

And don't forget the useful dodge of pressing 'Green' to get rid of red 
button reminders.

Mike

In article
,
   galaxyguy  wrote:

> Incidentally before anyone uses the word retard again perhaps they ought
> to know what it means. It is a French word and 'en retard', simply means
> being a (little) late.


However, it does have another meaning:  it is (US) slang for a mentally
retarded person.  I looked it up in Cassell Dictionary of Slang.

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"Zero Tolerance"  wrote in message 
news:4ae185aa.4599562@enews.newsguy.com...
: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:07:32 +0100, "Ivan" 
<ivan'H'older@yahoo.com>
: wrote:
:
: >Well a very large number of people apparently watch the F1 
forum after the
: >race.
:
: In which case, if this is a programme of sufficient quality to 
be
: broadcast, broadcast it on a proper television channel instead 
of
: hidden behind such "press red" mullarkey.

Err, yes, the only reason this F1 programme gets 'hidden' is 
because the couch potatoes want their EastEnders omnibus, which 
could if be put on the "Red Button" instead or viewers directed 
to the iPlayer - which is what the iPlayer was designed for after 
all, to allow poeple to 'catch-up'...

In article
,
   galaxyguy  wrote:
> On 23 Oct, 18:18, charles  wrote:
> > In article
> > ,
> >    galaxyguy  wrote:
> >
> > > Incidentally before anyone uses the word retard again perhaps they
> > > ought to know what it means. It is a French word and 'en retard',
> > > simply means being a (little) late.
> >
> > However, it does have another meaning:  it is (US) slang for a mentally
> > retarded person.  I looked it up in Cassell Dictionary of Slang.
> >
> > --
> > From KT24
> >
> > Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

> Thank you Charles. I think we are all aware of which meaning Jerry
> meant and sadly the US slang is known this side of the pond too and
> used unpleasantly and rudely. I was trying to raise the tone and point
> out that the word is a commonly used French word that can be spoken in
> polite society. The pronunciation is different though the rhythm of
> the word is even throughout. I'm sure that if you looked in an edition
> of this same Slang "dictionary" from a decade ago, you wouldn't find
> it.

it says from the 1970s

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:08:58 +0100, Max Demian 
wrote:

>> Err, digital-text (the successor to Ceefax) is hugely popular,
> 
> Who with? It's little better than Ceefax - just quicker to access the 
> sub-pages.

It's crap and oh-so-slow. It's much worse than Ceefax in my opinion. I
almost never use it, whereas I used to peruse Ceefax quite a lot.