Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry sounding 
very muffled.

BBC1 - Perfecto audio

Is this the future ??

In article <48386805$0$26086$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Dave H 
<zen1*0*0*9*8*8@zen.codotuk> writes
>Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry sounding
>very muffled.
>
>BBC1 - Perfecto audio
>
>Is this the future ??

For the Eurovision contest? One can but hope...


Regards,

Simonm.

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Dave H wrote:
> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry
> sounding very muffled.
>
> BBC1 - Perfecto audio
>
> Is this the future ??

Reported to National Grid Wireless at 8:05, let's see how long it takes them
to sort.
-- 
aa

aa wrote:
> Dave H wrote:
>> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry
>> sounding very muffled.
>>
>> BBC1 - Perfecto audio
>>
>> Is this the future ??
>
> Reported to National Grid Wireless at 8:05, let's see how long it
> takes them to sort.

Partial improvement around 8.30 and full volume restored at 9.02.  Anyone 
know what happened?
-- 
aa

In article <48386805$0$26086$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
	Dave H wrote:
> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry sounding 
> very muffled.

It's probably a problem in handling the 5.1 mix.

Incidentally, a quick look round the Clarke Belt gives...

16F16 BBC 1 London
16F16 Das Erste (ARD1, Germany)

14L12 RTP International (Portugal)
14L12 TVEi (Spain)
14L12 TRT International (Turkey)
14L12 ERT World (Greece)
14L12 RTV-S 1 (Slovenia)
14L12 RTS (Serbia)

16L12 RTCG (Montenegro)
16L12 TV Polonia (Poland)
16L12 TVR1 (Romania) (with news tickers in the black bar area)
16L12 Ictimai (Azerbaijan), very low bitrate used

With two receivers (and swapping over to remove bias), the order of
pictures/sound are:

BBC1 (Astra2), TVEi (Hotbird), ARD1 (Hotbird)
ARD1 (Astra1)
TRT (Astra1)
TVEi (Astra1)
the rest

-- 
Paul Martin

On Sat, 24 May 2008 20:25:33 +0100, "aa"  wrote:

>Reported to National Grid Wireless at 8:05, let's see how long it takes them
>to sort.

What can NGW do about BBC HD, given that it goes nowhere near them?

--

Zero Tolerance wrote:
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 20:25:33 +0100, "aa"  wrote:
>
>> Reported to National Grid Wireless at 8:05, let's see how long it
>> takes them to sort.
>
> What can NGW do about BBC HD, given that it goes nowhere near them?

As a terrestrial tx monitor for NGW I had their number handy and knew they 
were likely to have the relevant contact(s).  They receive BBC HD at Warwick 
and were happy to report.
-- 
aa

In article ,
	Paul Martin wrote:
> Incidentally, a quick look round the Clarke Belt gives...

> 16F16 BBC 1 London
> 16F16 Das Erste (ARD1, Germany)

And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.

Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete at
all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
"considering their position".

(It must be said that the German entry had one of their singers
slightly off key, so the harmonies didn't work.)

-- 
Paul Martin

"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
> In article ,
> Paul Martin wrote:
>> Incidentally, a quick look round the Clarke Belt gives...
>
>> 16F16 BBC 1 London
>> 16F16 Das Erste (ARD1, Germany)
>
> And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
> another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.
>
> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete at
> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
> "considering their position".
>
> (It must be said that the German entry had one of their singers
> slightly off key, so the harmonies didn't work.)
>





what the people who complain of regional bias forget is, we send a nobody, 
they send one of their top stars.
of course the eastern european countries voted for russia - russia's singer 
has had big hit singles in their country - they know who he is.
the day we send a big successful worldwide uk artist and they come last is 
the day we have the right to moan.



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

Paul Martin wrote:
> In article <48386805$0$26086$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
> 	Dave H wrote:
>> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry sounding 
>> very muffled.
> 
> It's probably a problem in handling the 5.1 mix.

It was, the Beeb were only sending the centre channel until 20:32hrs, so it 
was DolbyD 1.0 ! As the receivers normally derive standard left and right from 
the DD mix, this is why the sound was so thin even for punters not listening 
on a surround amp.

I see from other forum postings, that selecting the Audio Description on Sky 
boxes fixed the problem, because that forced the receiver to take the standard 
MPEG audio streams, which were unaffected.


-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

In article ,
   Paul Martin  wrote:
> In article ,
> 	Paul Martin wrote:
> > Incidentally, a quick look round the Clarke Belt gives...

> > 16F16 BBC 1 London
> > 16F16 Das Erste (ARD1, Germany)

> And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
> another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.

for some reason, the BBC always tries to lose the EBU logo - it's not a
recent thing

-- 
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
<snip>
> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete 
> at
> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
> "considering their position".
>

No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - he 
won't be missed...

Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that the 
UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to 
appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about 
eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> it's 
obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come from 
all parts.

On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:21:00 +0100, charles 
wrote:

>In article ,
>   Paul Martin  wrote:
>> In article ,
>> 	Paul Martin wrote:
>> > Incidentally, a quick look round the Clarke Belt gives...
>
>> > 16F16 BBC 1 London
>> > 16F16 Das Erste (ARD1, Germany)
>
>> And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
>> another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.
>
>for some reason, the BBC always tries to lose the EBU logo - it's not a
>recent thing

It was shown at the beginning. Showing it again at the end hardly adds to the
ESC experience.
-- 

Martin

On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:16 +0100, ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

>
>"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
>news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
><snip>
>> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
>> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete 
>> at
>> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
>> "considering their position".
>>
>
>No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - he 
>won't be missed...
>
>Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that the 
>UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to 
>appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about 
>eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at 
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> it's 
>obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come from 
>all parts. 
>

I see five out of ten from the Baltic countries.
-- 

Martin

In article , Paul Martin
 scribeth thus
>In article ,
>       Paul Martin wrote:
>> Incidentally, a quick look round the Clarke Belt gives...
>
>> 16F16 BBC 1 London
>> 16F16 Das Erste (ARD1, Germany)
>
>And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
>another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.
>
>Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
>automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete at
>all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
>"considering their position".
>
>(It must be said that the German entry had one of their singers
>slightly off key, so the harmonies didn't work.)
>

Isn't it about time that this silly outdated joke was put down and out
of its misery?....
-- 
Tony Sayer

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:opdi34t3bslm1bf8c6oevpbmog53g13lb2@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:16 +0100, ":Jerry:" 
> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Paul Martin"  wrote in message
>>news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
>><snip>
>>> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
>>> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete
>>> at
>>> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
>>> "considering their position".
>>>
>>
>>No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - he
>>won't be missed...
>>
>>Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that 
>>the
>>UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to
>>appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about
>>eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at
>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> it's
>>obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come from
>>all parts.
>>
>
> I see five out of ten from the Baltic countries.

Your point being what exactly, other than some well disguised 
xenophobic 'rant', why shouldn't eastern European countries win!? The 
fact is, many of these songs *are* better than the rest and most of 
the entries *are* way better than anything that the 'tiny-bop' 
generation UK voters choose as our entry. Rather than complain about 
the final and eastern European voting perhaps the UK (and the 
opinionated Mr Wogan) should be looking nearer to home...

"tony sayer"  wrote in message 
news:Uu2Wl+MYkTOIFwbn@bancom.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> Isn't it about time that this silly outdated joke was put down and 
> out
> of its misery?....

Good jokes never die...

In article ,
   Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:16 +0100, ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> >
> >"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
> >news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
> ><snip>
> >> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
> >> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete 
> >> at
> >> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
> >> "considering their position".
> >>
> >
> >No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - he 
> >won't be missed...
> >
> >Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that the 
> >UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to 
> >appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about 
> >eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at 
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> it's 
> >obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come from 
> >all parts. 
> >

> I see five out of ten from the Baltic countries.

according to the Sunday Times, Wogan felt that the UK singer sang better
than anyone else. But it's a song contest - not a singer contest.

-- 
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

On Sun, 25 May 2008 11:22:00 +0100, ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:opdi34t3bslm1bf8c6oevpbmog53g13lb2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:16 +0100, ":Jerry:" 
>> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Paul Martin"  wrote in message
>>>news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
>>><snip>
>>>> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
>>>> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete
>>>> at
>>>> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
>>>> "considering their position".
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - he
>>>won't be missed...
>>>
>>>Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that 
>>>the
>>>UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to
>>>appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about
>>>eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at
>>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> it's
>>>obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come from
>>>all parts.
>>>
>>
>> I see five out of ten from the Baltic countries.
>
>Your point being what exactly, other than some well disguised 
>xenophobic 'rant', why shouldn't eastern European countries win!?

My post was a straight comment on the facts presented. The winners haven't come
from all parts. None have come from western Europe. Two have come from countries
that geographically aren't even part of Europe. Yes I know that they are members
of the EBU.

> The 
>fact is, many of these songs *are* better than the rest and most of 
>the entries *are* way better than anything that the 'tiny-bop' 
>generation UK voters choose as our entry. Rather than complain about 
>the final and eastern European voting perhaps the UK (and the 
>opinionated Mr Wogan) should be looking nearer to home... 
>

I'm not complaining nor am I ranting. 
-- 

Martin

"charles"  wrote in message 
news:4fa4f65096charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> according to the Sunday Times, Wogan felt that the UK singer sang 
> better

Of course he did, he is very unlikely to same anything else, has he 
ever admitted that any of the winners of past years (were he was the 
commentator) were the better song relative to the UK entry?

> than anyone else. But it's a song contest - not a singer contest.
>

Well actually it *used* to be a 'song' contest, that was in the days 
when the judges only had the audio feed, now it is a contest of 
singing acts, the performance is as important as the lyrics and music.

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:o4gi34h64tu9j0mva8i34op5de6g183u84@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 11:22:00 +0100, ":Jerry:" 
> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:opdi34t3bslm1bf8c6oevpbmog53g13lb2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:47:16 +0100, ":Jerry:"
>>> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Paul Martin"  wrote in message
>>>>news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
>>>><snip>
>>>>> Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and 
>>>>> two
>>>>> automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to 
>>>>> compete
>>>>> at
>>>>> all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
>>>>> "considering their position".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - 
>>>>he
>>>>won't be missed...
>>>>
>>>>Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that
>>>>the
>>>>UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to
>>>>appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about
>>>>eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at
>>>><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> 
>>>>it's
>>>>obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come 
>>>>from
>>>>all parts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I see five out of ten from the Baltic countries.
>>
>>Your point being what exactly, other than some well disguised
>>xenophobic 'rant', why shouldn't eastern European countries win!?
>
> My post was a straight comment on the facts presented. The winners 
> haven't come
> from all parts. None have come from western Europe. Two have come 
> from countries
> that geographically aren't even part of Europe. Yes I know that they 
> are members
> of the EBU.

You seem to have a weird understanding as to what (the land mass of) 
Europe is, even Turkey is partly in Europe (agreed, I've never 
understood why Israel is a member of the EBU, never mind being part of 
Eurovision...).

>
>> The
>>fact is, many of these songs *are* better than the rest and most of
>>the entries *are* way better than anything that the 'tiny-bop'
>>generation UK voters choose as our entry. Rather than complain about
>>the final and eastern European voting perhaps the UK (and the
>>opinionated Mr Wogan) should be looking nearer to home...
>>
>
> I'm not complaining nor am I ranting.

If you say so...

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> writes:

> Good jokes never die... 

And the Eurovision Song Contest is nothing like a *good* joke. ;)

-- 
Adam Sampson                          <http://offog.org/>

In article , charles 
 writes
>> And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
>> another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.
>
>for some reason, the BBC always tries to lose the EBU logo - it's not a 
>recent thing

On terrestrial, they took it right to the end and the EBU logo was 
there.

Incidentally, am I alone in being amused about the lighting differences 
for the various announcers. There must be some shockingly bad national 
broadcasters out there...

Having said that though, the actual coverage was well done. I only came 
in for the game of 'political voting bingo' the kids were playing* but 
it's not an easy thing to do and it seemed to go almost flawlessly. I 
didn't see any of the actual acts though - amazing how accurately one 
can predict the voting despite that.

I don't think the BBC should drop it. As long as we come last there's 
little cost to us and it's a salutary reminder of how the EU really 
works. Talent contest it ain't.

Regards,

Simonm.

*Great for learning geography and geopolitics: which countries are nearest; who
does country X like, who do they hate, who can they not afford to annoy, etc.).
My two big mistakes were Iceland (voted for Denmark, thought they _wouldn't do
that) and Lithuania (voted for Russia), YOu had to shout out the order before
it was announced.


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In article <g1bclu$7ee$3@registered.motzarella.org>, ":Jerry:" 
<INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> writes
>Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that the 
>UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to appeal 
>to a wide European audience

<awestruck>
You sound like you CARE about the outcome!
</>

Regards,

Simonm.

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:Jerry: wrote:

> I've never 
> understood why Israel is a member of the EBU, never mind being part of 
> Eurovision...).

Perhaps the EBU are confusing Israel's IBA, with the UK's now defunct 
ex-member of the same name  ;-)


-- 
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":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in
news:g1bgbu$n42$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> I've never 
> understood why Israel is a member of the EBU, never mind being part of 
> Eurovision...

EBU has a couple more Middle East and North African members:

Algeria
Egypt
Jordan
Lebanon
Libya
Morocco
Syria
Tunisia

All of them are entitled to take part in the ESC, but they choose not 
to because of their Isreal boycott policies. Morocco did once in 1980, 
in a year when Isreal skipped. Lebanon attempted to take part in 2005, 
but when it transpired that they would interrupt the broadcast during 
the Isreali song, they were banned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest

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"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message 
news:aNuNbvB6YUOIFwoE@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> I don't think the BBC should drop it. As long as we come last 
> there's little cost to us and it's a salutary reminder of how the EU 
> really works.

Except that it has nothing to do with the EU, the EU doesn't (yet) 
equate to 'Europe'...

"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message 
news:nNzCLQCOaUOIFwvb@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
> In article <g1bclu$7ee$3@registered.motzarella.org>, ":Jerry:" 
> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> writes
>>Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that 
>>the UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to 
>>appeal to a wide European audience
>
> <awestruck>
> You sound like you CARE about the outcome!
> </>
>

No, just stating a fact.

Dave H wrote:
> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry sounding 
> very muffled.

Also, just playing back portions of the programme now, the pictures were only 
upconverted SD during the phone number sequences, and for some of the results 
sequence.
It suddenly switched back to HD at the Cyprus result. 154 mins in.

All in all, a total fiasco, technically and artistically.

-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

In article ,
	The dog from that film you saw wrote:

> what the people who complain of regional bias forget is, we send a nobody, 
> they send one of their top stars.
> of course the eastern european countries voted for russia - russia's singer 
> has had big hit singles in their country - they know who he is.
> the day we send a big successful worldwide uk artist and they come last is 
> the day we have the right to moan.

Does anyone know what Cliff's doing next year? :-)

-- 
Paul Martin

In article ,
	SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
> In article , charles 
>  writes
>>> And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
>>> another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.
>>
>>for some reason, the BBC always tries to lose the EBU logo - it's not a 
>>recent thing

> On terrestrial, they took it right to the end and the EBU logo was 
> there.

No, they didn't. They played out a copy of the EBU logo, twenty seconds
early, either to avoid the sponsorship logos in the credits or to make
the whole thing fit into the playout schedule.

ARD1 stayed to the bitter end, then had a non-celebratory party
programme following.

-- 
Paul Martin

In article ,
	Mark Carver wrote:

> I see from other forum postings, that selecting the Audio Description
> on Sky boxes fixed the problem, because that forced the receiver to
> take the standard MPEG audio streams, which were unaffected.

The AD stream on the BBC HD channel is an MP2 audio stream.

Incidentally, Sir Terry didn't blather half as much as some of the
other countries' commentators.

He even got a name check from the German commentator during the intro
to the UK entry.

-- 
Paul Martin

In article <g1biua$pq$1@registered.motzarella.org>, ":Jerry:" 
<INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> writes
>
>"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message
>news:aNuNbvB6YUOIFwoE@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
><snip>
>>
>> I don't think the BBC should drop it. As long as we come last
>> there's little cost to us and it's a salutary reminder of how the EU
>> really works.
>
>Except that it has nothing to do with the EU, the EU doesn't (yet)
>equate to 'Europe'...

I'm aware of that. The EBU predates the EU's power grab for broadcasting 
by a dozen years or more.

My comment still stands however.


Regards,

Simonm.

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In article , Paul Martin 
 writes
>In article ,
>       SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
>> In article , charles
>>  writes
>>>> And the BBC left the feed before the credits had finished. There were
>>>> another 20 seconds worth of credits before the proper EBU logo.
>>>
>>>for some reason, the BBC always tries to lose the EBU logo - it's not a
>>>recent thing
>
>> On terrestrial, they took it right to the end and the EBU logo was
>> there.
>
>No, they didn't. They played out a copy of the EBU logo, twenty seconds
>early, either to avoid the sponsorship logos in the credits or to make
>the whole thing fit into the playout schedule.

I must have looked down at the wrong moment. I saw the EBU logo and 
assumed - sorry.


Regards,

Simonm.

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EUROPEANS AGAINST THE EU                   http://www.eurofaq.freeuk.com/
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"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
news:slrng3ijvu.29t.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
> In article ,
> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
>
>> what the people who complain of regional bias forget is, we send a 
>> nobody,
>> they send one of their top stars.
>> of course the eastern european countries voted for russia - russia's 
>> singer
>> has had big hit singles in their country - they know who he is.
>> the day we send a big successful worldwide uk artist and they come last 
>> is
>> the day we have the right to moan.
>
> Does anyone know what Cliff's doing next year? :-)

After my kareoke triumph at Hil's birthday party could I put my name 
forward? My rendition of Charlie Pride's "Does My Ring Hurt Your Finger" and 
"Crystal Chandalier" certainly made people sit up.

Bill

Mark Carver wrote:
> Dave H wrote:
>> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry 
>> sounding very muffled.
> 
> Also, just playing back portions of the programme now, the pictures were 
> only upconverted SD during the phone number sequences, and for some of 
> the results sequence.
> It suddenly switched back to HD at the Cyprus result. 154 mins in.
> 
> All in all, a total fiasco, technically and artistically.


Right, I've zapped back and in fact the broadcast from 32 mins (the point at 
which the audio came good) until 154 mins was all upconverted SD. That's over 
two hours worth of 'accidental' SD on BBC HD.


-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

In article , Mark Carver 
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
>:Jerry: wrote:
>
>> I've never  understood why Israel is a member of the EBU, never mind 
>>being part of  Eurovision...).
>
>Perhaps the EBU are confusing Israel's IBA, with the UK's now defunct 
>ex-member of the same name  ;-)

It does go back a very long way though. I thought Israel was a founder 
member of the EBU, but it turns out it joined in 1957.

Regards,

Simonm.

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"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:LIidnX5wirluwaTVnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
<snip>
>
> After my kareoke triumph at Hil's birthday party could I put my name 
> forward? My rendition of Charlie Pride's "Does My Ring Hurt Your 
> Finger" and "Crystal Chandalier" certainly made people sit up.
>

...and hold their ears... :~)

"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message 
news:99cE3XExhVOIFweJ@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> My comment still stands however.
>

No it doesn't, your comment was just another (off topic) europhobic 
rant.

The message <g1bclu$7ee$3@registered.motzarella.org>
from ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> contains these words:


> "Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
> news:slrng3i9ej.q81.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
> <snip>
> > Two of the automatic entrants (UK and Germany) came last, and two
> > automatic entrants (Italy and Austria) haven't bothered to compete 
> > at
> > all. From el Tel's commentary, it looks like even the Beeb are
> > "considering their position".
> >

> No, Mr wa... sorry, Wogan seems to be considering his position - he 
> won't be missed...

> Lets face it, the real problem is not the voting but the fact that the 
> UK (and others) just can't choose a decent song that is going to 
> appeal to a wide European audience, Mr Wogan kept ranting on about 
> eastern European voting/winners but if one looks at 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_winners> it's 
> obvious that the winners have (in the last 10 years or so) come from 
> all parts. 


In the bits I heard I think Wogan accepted that people are going to vote
for songs from a similar cultural background.

I suspect that previous recent winners have mostly come from areas with
a large block vote rather than just Russian satellite states - I would
thought they would hate Russia anyway but perhaps there are a lot of
ex-pat Russians in the countries.

No prominent singer is going to want to be the UK entry because of the
potential humiliation of a low mark and why should they anyway, they
have nothing to gain.

M

The message 
from Paul Martin  contains these words:

> Does anyone know what Cliff's doing next year? :-)


No, bring Mr Blobby out of retirement   .....  but he might win and we
don't want to have to host the thing again.

In article <g1btvo$ctk$2@registered.motzarella.org>, ":Jerry:" 
<INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> writes
>
>"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message
>news:99cE3XExhVOIFweJ@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
><snip>
>>
>> My comment still stands however.
>>
>
>No it doesn't, your comment was just another (off topic) europhobic
>rant.

The Eurovision Song contest is just regional geopolitics writ tiny.

I'm not europhobic (as if disliking the EU is some mental disease!);
I'm eurorealist: the quicker we leave the better. You seem to have far 
more trouble with that concept than I do in the opposite direction.

To come back to the original point - why do it in 5.1 anyway? Utterly 
pointless as far as I can see, and laying broadcasters open to just the 
sort of cock-up that happened.

In any case, with 5.1 and similar schemes, strictly speaking there's no 
stereo nor mono compatibility by default. St. and M might be derived 
from a static matrix, but that's a cop-out. It should be a separate mix.

I have difficulty understanding both how you could do it 'correctly' and 
why you'd want to, and that doesn't just apply to the ESC either.




Regards,

Simonm.

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In article <31303030303731354839927191@invalid.invalid>,
	NOSPAM wrote:
> The message 
> from Paul Martin  contains these words:

>> Does anyone know what Cliff's doing next year? :-)

> No, bring Mr Blobby out of retirement   .....  but he might win and we
> don't want to have to host the thing again.

It didn't work for the Irish. "Irelande Douze Pointe(s)" indeed.

I know what... Enter Tel singing the Floral Dance.

-- 
Paul Martin

The message 
from Paul Martin  contains these words:

> I know what... Enter Tel singing the Floral Dance.


Ideal choice.


Downing Street petition perhaps?

On Sun, 25 May 2008 13:49:07 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Right, I've zapped back and in fact the broadcast from 32 mins (the point at 
>which the audio came good) until 154 mins was all upconverted SD. That's over 
>two hours worth of 'accidental' SD on BBC HD.

Will be interesting to see the post-mortem (if it ever becomes public)
- I assume there must be an excellent reason why the problem was not
apparent during the pre-broadcast checks?

(They do still have those, right?)
--

"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message 
news:xzYn0mIhhYOIFwPu@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> I'm not....<snip>

uk.political-rants is that way ===>>>

"NOSPAM" <nospam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:3130303030373135483990B944@invalid.invalid...
<snip>
>
> I suspect that previous recent winners have mostly come from areas 
> with
> a large block vote rather than just Russian satellite states - I 
> would
> thought they would hate Russia anyway but perhaps there are a lot of
> ex-pat Russians in the countries.

More none (ex) eastern-block countries voted *for* the Russia entry 
than (ex) eastern-block countries did, it would have been impossible 
for Russia (or any other (ex) eastern-block country) to have won 
solely on (ex) eastern-block country / Russian satellite states votes 
alone. The thing that might be slewing the voting is, not the votes 
cast in these Russian satellite states but the votes cast *BY* people 
now living in the western part of Europe, having moved there from 
these (ex) eastern-block country / Russian satellite states IYSWIM.

Paul Martin wrote:
> In article ,
> 	The dog from that film you saw wrote:
> 
> 
>>what the people who complain of regional bias forget is, we send a nobody, 
>>they send one of their top stars.
>>of course the eastern european countries voted for russia - russia's singer 
>>has had big hit singles in their country - they know who he is.
>>the day we send a big successful worldwide uk artist and they come last is 
>>the day we have the right to moan.
> 
> 
> Does anyone know what Cliff's doing next year? :-)
> 

Yes now Frano has gone, he might win!!

Mike

Zero Tolerance wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 13:49:07 +0100, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Right, I've zapped back and in fact the broadcast from 32 mins (the point at 
>> which the audio came good) until 154 mins was all upconverted SD. That's over 
>> two hours worth of 'accidental' SD on BBC HD.
> 
> Will be interesting to see the post-mortem (if it ever becomes public)
> - I assume there must be an excellent reason why the problem was not
> apparent during the pre-broadcast checks?
> 
> (They do still have those, right?)

Freedom Of Information Act?

Someone famously did that and got all the logs for a technical fiasco 
last year?

Richard

On 25 May, 12:25, Wolfgang Schwanke <s...@sig.nature> wrote:
> ":Jerry:" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote innews:g1bgbu$n42$1@registered.motzarella.org:
>
> > I've never
> > understood why Israel is a member of the EBU, never mind being part of
> > Eurovision...
>
> EBU has a couple more Middle East and North African members:
>
> Algeria
> Egypt
> Jordan
> Lebanon
> Libya
> Morocco
> Syria
> Tunisia
>
> All of them are entitled to take part in the ESC, but they choose not
> to because of their Isreal boycott policies. Morocco did once in 1980,
> in a year when Isreal skipped. Lebanon attempted to take part in 2005,
> but when it transpired that they would interrupt the broadcast during
> the Isreali song, they were banned.

It's even more political than I thought!

Cheers,
David.

On 25 May, 13:49, Mark Carver <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
> > Dave H wrote:
> >> Audio WTF is going on, opening songs just vocal only. Sir Terry
> >> sounding very muffled.
>
> > Also, just playing back portions of the programme now, the pictures were
> > only upconverted SD during the phone number sequences, and for some of
> > the results sequence.
> > It suddenly switched back to HD at the Cyprus result. 154 mins in.
>
> > All in all, a total fiasco, technically and artistically.
>
> Right, I've zapped back and in fact the broadcast from 32 mins (the point at
> which the audio came good) until 154 mins was all upconverted SD. That's over
> two hours worth of 'accidental' SD on BBC HD.

I love the way you're the first person to note this - maybe it wasn't
worth showing it in HD if only one person spotted it was SD?!

FWIW the sets played havoc with the SD MPEG-2 encoding again. Lots of
Cryton-ing on people's faces as the encoder attempted to render 1000
tiny flashing lights and decided that human skin tones could be
replaced by a couple of flat colours!

Cheers,
David.

davidrobinson@postmaster.co.uk wrote:
> On 25 May, 13:49, Mark Carver <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>> It suddenly switched back to HD at the Cyprus result. 154 mins in.
>>> All in all, a total fiasco, technically and artistically.
>> Right, I've zapped back and in fact the broadcast from 32 mins (the point at
>> which the audio came good) until 154 mins was all upconverted SD. That's over
>> two hours worth of 'accidental' SD on BBC HD.
> 
> I love the way you're the first person to note this - maybe it wasn't
> worth showing it in HD if only one person spotted it was SD?!

Quite !  It stuck out like a sore thumb to me. The switch from HD to SD 
was carried out during a very soft and PAL footprinted inject from 
Belgrade town square, so not noticable, until they cut back to the hall.

The switch from SD back to HD was while the scoreboard was up, and all 
the characters suddenly got their edges back !

I'm glad to say I was not alone in noticing the SD upconverted pictures, 
Digital Spy has reports from others, though some were unsure.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=802407&page=9

Although if you read Post 204, the Beeb don't actually admit it was 
upconverted SD, and refer to 'complications with the picture quality'.

On 28/05/2008 17:26, Mark Carver wrote:

> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=802407&page=9

Digital spy seems to have been unreachable for the past few days (not 
just the forums down for maintenance as usual either)

"Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
news:5rmdnRNNA4YI4KPVnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> On 28/05/2008 17:26, Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=802407&page=9
>
> Digital spy seems to have been unreachable for the past few days 
> (not just the forums down for maintenance as usual either)

I suspect that it's a DNS problem as they are still chucking out an 
RSS feed, meaning that their server(s) must be on line.

On 29/05/2008 11:15, :Jerry: wrote:

> I suspect that it's a DNS problem as they are still chucking out an 
> RSS feed, meaning that their server(s) must be on line. 

A traceroute drops off after some hosting farm's router ...

On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:55:33 +0100, Andy Burns
 wrote:

>Digital spy seems to have been unreachable for the past few days (not 
>just the forums down for maintenance as usual either)

No problems here...

-- 
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

On 29/05/2008 11:43, Alan White wrote:

> No problems here...

Where does traceroute got for you?

Tracing route to digitalspy.co.uk [216.12.209.2] over a maximum of 30 hops:
   0  andylaptop.adslpipe.co.uk [192.168.1.100]
   1  firewall.adslpipe.co.uk [192.168.1.1]
   2  router.adslpipe.co.uk [84.92.25.121]
   3  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
   4  ge0-0-0-303.ptn-gw01.plus.net [84.92.3.9]
   5  te2-2.thn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.1.54]
   6  gi8-7.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.2.33]
   7  ge9-0.mpr2.lhr1.uk.above.net [195.66.226.76]
   8  so-1-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.28.38]
   9     *     so-0-1-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.27.57]
  10  so-1-0-0.mpr3.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.29.37]
  11  289.ev1servers.net [216.200.251.26]
  12  ivhou-207-218-223-104.ev1servers.net [207.218.223.104]
  13     *        *        *

On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:53:56 +0100, Andy Burns
 wrote:

>Where does traceroute got for you?
>
>Tracing route to digitalspy.co.uk [216.12.209.2] over a maximum of 30 hops:
>   0  andylaptop.adslpipe.co.uk [192.168.1.100]
>   1  firewall.adslpipe.co.uk [192.168.1.1]
>   2  router.adslpipe.co.uk [84.92.25.121]
>   3  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
>   4  ge0-0-0-303.ptn-gw01.plus.net [84.92.3.9]
>   5  te2-2.thn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.1.54]
>   6  gi8-7.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.2.33]
>   7  ge9-0.mpr2.lhr1.uk.above.net [195.66.226.76]
>   8  so-1-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.28.38]
>   9     *     so-0-1-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.27.57]
>  10  so-1-0-0.mpr3.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.29.37]
>  11  289.ev1servers.net [216.200.251.26]
>  12  ivhou-207-218-223-104.ev1servers.net [207.218.223.104]
>  13     *        *        *

Sorry, Andy, but I just click on http://www.digitalspy.co.uk and get
there.

-- 
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

Andy Burns wrote:
> On 29/05/2008 11:43, Alan White wrote:
> 
>> No problems here...
> 
> Where does traceroute got for you?
> 
> Tracing route to digitalspy.co.uk [216.12.209.2] over a maximum of 30 hops:
>    0  andylaptop.adslpipe.co.uk [192.168.1.100]
>    1  firewall.adslpipe.co.uk [192.168.1.1]
>    2  router.adslpipe.co.uk [84.92.25.121]
>    3  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
>    4  ge0-0-0-303.ptn-gw01.plus.net [84.92.3.9]
>    5  te2-2.thn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.1.54]
>    6  gi8-7.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.2.33]
>    7  ge9-0.mpr2.lhr1.uk.above.net [195.66.226.76]
>    8  so-1-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.28.38]
>    9     *     so-0-1-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.27.57]
>   10  so-1-0-0.mpr3.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.29.37]
>   11  289.ev1servers.net [216.200.251.26]
>   12  ivhou-207-218-223-104.ev1servers.net [207.218.223.104]
>   13     *        *        *

Hi Andy,

Take a look here:-
http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,65388.0.html

Alternatively head over to p.s.customer-feedback

-- 
|Bob Pullen                   Broadband Solutions for
|Support                            Home & Business @
|PlusNet plc.                            www.plus.net
+------ PlusNet - The smarter way to broadband ------

On 29/05/2008 15:36, PlusNet Support Team wrote:

>> Tracing route to digitalspy.co.uk [216.12.209.2] over a maximum of 30 
>
> http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,65388.0.html

Thanks Bob, I'd already tried flicking over to openDNS, but that had no 
effect, I'll just wait for caches to expire ...

On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:02:06 +0100, Andy Burns
 wrote:

>Thanks Bob, I'd already tried flicking over to openDNS, but that had no 
>effect, I'll just wait for caches to expire ...

I'm sorry to be a nuisance but am I missing something here?

I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
messages posted since 17:00 today.

I am _not_ trying to log in.

-- 
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

"Alan White"  wrote in message 
news:sopt34ll354ivjdo0pn19722j7tvrnlapv@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:02:06 +0100, Andy Burns
>  wrote:
>
>>Thanks Bob, I'd already tried flicking over to openDNS, but that had 
>>no
>>effect, I'll just wait for caches to expire ...
>
> I'm sorry to be a nuisance but am I missing something here?
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System

> I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
> messages posted since 17:00 today.
>

I guess that you are on a different DNS look-up server...

On 29/05/2008 18:28, Alan White wrote:

> I'm sorry to be a nuisance but am I missing something here?

no, the DNS problem must only be affecting some people, it it stopping 
my browser from looking up the correct web server to contact to reach 
digitalspy, but yours is OK

> I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
> messages posted since 17:00 today.

I haven't been able to see digitalspy for a couple of days, let alone 
log in, hardly the end of the world ...

:Jerry: wrote:
> "Alan White"  wrote in message 

>> I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
>> messages posted since 17:00 today.
>>
> 
> I guess that you are on a different DNS look-up server... 

In recent days, I've used my own ISP's connection, a Japanese proxy server, a 
connection in a hotel in Cairo, and yesterday a connection at a hotel in 
Belgrade. All have provided faultless access to Digital Spy (and anything else 
I tried).


-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Andy Burns wrote:
> On 29/05/2008 18:28, Alan White wrote:
> 
>> I'm sorry to be a nuisance but am I missing something here?
> 
> no, the DNS problem must only be affecting some people, it it stopping 
> my browser from looking up the correct web server to contact to reach 
> digitalspy, but yours is OK
> 
>> I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
>> messages posted since 17:00 today.
> 
> I haven't been able to see digitalspy for a couple of days, let alone 
> log in, hardly the end of the world ...

Same here for www.digitalspy.co.uk which is giving the wrong address.

www.forum.digitalspy.co.uk is working for me.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6a8c1uF364jimU1@mid.individual.net...
> :Jerry: wrote:
>> "Alan White"  wrote in message
>
>>> I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
>>> messages posted since 17:00 today.
>>>
>>
>> I guess that you are on a different DNS look-up server...
>
> In recent days, I've used my own ISP's connection, a Japanese proxy 
> server, a connection in a hotel in Cairo, and yesterday a connection at a 
> hotel in Belgrade. All have provided faultless access to Digital Spy (and 
> anything else I tried).

It makes my head spin just thinking about it. I don't know how you manage 
it. When you wake up in the morning how long is it before you know where you 
are?

Bill

Andy Furniss wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>> On 29/05/2008 18:28, Alan White wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sorry to be a nuisance but am I missing something here?
>> no, the DNS problem must only be affecting some people, it it stopping 
>> my browser from looking up the correct web server to contact to reach 
>> digitalspy, but yours is OK
>>
>>> I can get straight into DigitalSpy forums with no problem and see
>>> messages posted since 17:00 today.
>> I haven't been able to see digitalspy for a couple of days, let alone 
>> log in, hardly the end of the world ...
> 
> Same here for www.digitalspy.co.uk which is giving the wrong address.
> 
> www.forum.digitalspy.co.uk is working for me.

I believe our caches should now be on top of this, so PlusNet customers 
should have access again.

-- 
|Bob Pullen                   Broadband Solutions for
|Support                            Home & Business @
|PlusNet plc.                            www.plus.net
+------ PlusNet - The smarter way to broadband ------

Bill Wright wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 

>> In recent days, I've used my own ISP's connection, a Japanese proxy 
>> server, a connection in a hotel in Cairo, and yesterday a connection at a 
>> hotel in Belgrade. All have provided faultless access to Digital Spy (and 
>> anything else I tried).
> 
> It makes my head spin just thinking about it. I don't know how you manage 
> it. When you wake up in the morning how long is it before you know where you 
> are?

The condition of my digestive system sometimes provides a clue.

Going back to the DNS bit again, I couldn't access Digital Spy in Saudi, nor 
any URL that contained the word 'virgin', so some places do indeed filter DNS 
servers on certain key words. My own employer's UK proxy chops out the mb21 Tx 
gallery, claiming it's a 'social networking' site.


-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

On 30/05/2008 06:44, PlusNet Support Team wrote:

> I believe our caches should now be on top of this, so PlusNet customers 
> should have access again.

Certainly started working through openDNS last night, I'll put the 
router back to normal ...

"Andy Burns"  wrote in message 
news:H7CdneJqSsjYPaLVnZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@posted.plusnet...

[ re accessing www.digitalspy.co.uk/ ]
>
> Certainly started working through openDNS last night, I'll put the 
> router back to normal ...
>

The only issue now is one that is totally down to the inept DS 
webmaster, namely non existent articles being pushed out on the RSS 
feed but only returning a 404 server error page. Surely if the article 
doesn't exist in the database it should not be possible to generate a 
RSS feed, for example this URL 
<http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a97054/freesat-anti-hd-piracy-ability-emerges.html?rss> 
has been in the RSS feed for getting on 16hrs but still getting a 404 
error...

</rant>

> The only issue now is one that is totally down to the inept DS webmaster, 
> namely non existent articles being pushed out on the RSS feed but only 
> returning a 404 server error page. Surely if the article doesn't exist in 
> the database it should not be possible to generate a RSS feed, for example 
> this URL 
> <http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a97054/freesat-anti-hd-piracy-ability-emerges.html?rss> 
> has been in the RSS feed for getting on 16hrs but still getting a 404 
> error...

It's OK here.

"dB"  wrote in message 
news:M9CdnZpw5PV6rt3VnZ2dnUVZ8tHinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> The only issue now is one that is totally down to the inept DS 
>> webmaster, namely non existent articles being pushed out on the RSS 
>> feed but only returning a 404 server error page. Surely if the 
>> article doesn't exist in the database it should not be possible to 
>> generate a RSS feed, for example this URL 
>> <http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a97054/freesat-anti-hd-piracy-ability-emerges.html?rss> 
>> has been in the RSS feed for getting on 16hrs but still getting a 
>> 404 error...
>
> It's OK here.

It is now!... When I posted the above comment, at 09:25hrs, the server 
was still spitting out a 404 error - not found - message.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:g1pdr4$lbb$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
<snip>
>
> It is now!... When I posted the above comment, at 09:25hrs, the 
> server was still spitting out a 404 error - not found - message.

Sorry, that should have been a 403 error.