Following on from earlier discussions, here are a few snaps of the 
rooftops that are easily seen from the house. There are loads more, but 
as you can see it was sunset and chilly and time didn't permit climbing 
up on't roof to do better.

<http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>

I may be a bit picky, but I'm still getting a Stetson, so as to blend in 
a bit better round'yer...

Regards,

Simonm.

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:52:35 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig 
wrote:

><http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>

Strewth, did they not teach you about contrast ratio at Evesham at some point?
White on light grey for text is not terribly clever is it?

In article <slrnfqkhjc.e0t.abuse@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe 
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> writes
>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:52:35 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig 
>wrote:
>
>><http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>
>
>Strewth, did they not teach you about contrast ratio at Evesham at some point?
>White on light grey for text is not terribly clever is it?

As it came 'out of the box'. Will tweak...

Have to say though, it looks fine on my calibrated monitor, although the 
lap top panel has it sat up a bit.

... changed it to black - is that OK now?

Regards,

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"SpamTrapSeeSig"  wrote in message 
news:bnfn2CHcojqHFwHj@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk...
> Following on from earlier discussions, here are a few snaps of the 
> rooftops that are easily seen from the house. There are loads more, but as 
> you can see it was sunset and chilly and time didn't permit climbing up 
> on't roof to do better.
>
> <http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>

Firstly, take no notice of Paul. He's a grump aren't you Paul?

There's isn't much I can add to your comments.

Henleaze Aerials #1: Beware of estimating alignment agreement from the 
ground or from a distance. It can be very deceptive. I've done rows of 
aerials with all them visually aligned on the Tx and yet from the ground 
they look 'wrong' relative to each other.

Henleaze aerials #2: The right hand job has an oddity. The chimney brackets 
are two pressed steel (as opposed to welded) 6" brackets. These are very 
flimsy and are normally used by cowboys singly. To use two is curious. The 
aerials are the cheap Antiference ones.

Henleaze Aerials #4: The rt hand one is absolute typical cowboy work. Absurd 
aerial, thin mast, cable loose, old chimney fixing.

Henleaze Aerials #7: The left hand one reminds me of Mr Creosote and his 
fate. "Jest waaan leeetle aerial . . ."

Henleaze Aerials #8:
The log periodic has been fitted by a DIY expert I'd guess. He's bought a 
wall bracket because he thinks it will be easier than a chimney fixing, but 
no rigger will use a wall bracket if he can help it because it means 
drilling holes, which takes time. The guy obviously had no idea how to 
connect the cable to the aerial.

Henleaze Aerials #9: The cable fixing is wrong but different in these two!

Bill

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:44:44 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

> White on light grey for text is not terribly clever is it?

Almost unreadable, I have seen worse but not often...

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Dave.

In message <$H7F3uEy7kqHFwQb@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk>, SpamTrapSeeSig 
 writes
>... changed it to black - is that OK now?

I think the complaint is about the text under the bigger pic. If I click 
on the bigger pic it gets even bigger and the text changes to "on" 
darker grey.

No idea what Bibble is that it's built by, but I think I'll avoid it.
-- 
Bill

On 06/02/2008 23:44, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

> White on light grey for text is not terribly clever is it?

I had to select that block of text to make it more readable, strangely 
(but helpfully) the block then stayed highlighted duuring page navigation.

On Feb 6, 10:52 pm, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
> Following on from earlier discussions, here are a few snaps of the
> rooftops that are easily seen from the house. There are loads more, but
> as you can see it was sunset and chilly and time didn't permit climbing
> up on't roof to do better.
>
> <http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>

Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP, although I'm surprised
in Bristol, where VP is hardly a novelty.

There's some yuppie flats on the banks Southampton Water. Every flat
but one has an HP yagi directed at the VP Millbrook relay, the only
flat that has a correctly installed VP is the one I commissioned.

As for wanting Welsh telly in Bristol, S4C can be a very useful
'timeshift' facility for C4 :-)

In article , Bill  writes
>In message <$H7F3uEy7kqHFwQb@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk>, 
>SpamTrapSeeSig  writes
>>... changed it to black - is that OK now?
>
>I think the complaint is about the text under the bigger pic. If I 
>click on the bigger pic it gets even bigger and the text changes to 
>"on" darker grey.

Oh all right! I've copied over a stylesheet from elsewhere.

>No idea what Bibble is that it's built by, but I think I'll avoid it.

It's a raw camera image processor/workflow tool for stills, and it's 
very cool indeed.

The web output is a freebie, and saves time as it's fairly automatic 
(presumably, if you're a wedding photographer it lets you put up albums 
for clients to view on-line, rather than just pass the album round). 
There are a few bugs in their scripts/css, but that's really not what 
it's for, and all you really need to do is copy fixed scripts over to 
the right directory.

I need to get round to tweaking the templates really, but TBH, it really 
does look OK on a calibrated monitor, and not bad on the laptop. I think 
the latest stylesheet is better (selected thumbnail surround black, 
elsewhere dark grey), but it has a few bugs in the JS I really need to 
look at. It's still not bad for instant albums though.

Bibble's real purpose is non-destructive RAW image processing, it does 
this really nicely, especially the noise reduction, highlight recovery 
and colourimetry. With gentle sharpening, it's got that almost mystical 
quality of removing noise without damaging detail. There are binaries 
for WinTel, OSX and Linux, and a licence for laptop and desktop 
simultaneously. It's NOT Photoshop (but there is a plugin).

<http://www.bibblelabs.com>.

No I don't get commission, but I think it's brilliant. Its first outing 
for me was a wedding in NYC, where I turned round about 70 pics in two 
evenings, and it recovered nasty contre-jour stuff I couldn't touch 
otherwise (deals acceptably with chromatic aberration from cheap 
zooms!). It comes into it's own with raw images. Nothing will really 
touch nasty low-res JPEGs, like the ones I shot last night though.

The only letdown is the HP laptop which has a cheap screen that's not 
good enough for colourimetry. So I can look, but not really tweak much.

I need a Macbook Air, honestly dear...

Simonm.

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Mark Carver wrote:

> > Following on from earlier discussions, here are a few snaps of the
> > rooftops that are easily seen from the house. There are loads more, but
> > as you can see it was sunset and chilly and time didn't permit climbing
> > up on't roof to do better.
> > 
> > <http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>
> 
> Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
> Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
> punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP, although I'm surprised
> in Bristol, where VP is hardly a novelty.
> 
> There's some yuppie flats on the banks Southampton Water. Every flat
> but one has an HP yagi directed at the VP Millbrook relay, the only
> flat that has a correctly installed VP is the one I commissioned.
> 
> As for wanting Welsh telly in Bristol, S4C can be a very useful
> 'timeshift' facility for C4 :-)



Bristol. Barton House is HP.

In article , m.t6 <?@?.?.invalid> writes
>Bristol. Barton House is HP.

Makes sense. It's surrounded by tower blocks, so I assume it might help 
ghosting effects. The one in question is probably intended for Wenvoe.


Regards,

Simonm.

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On Feb 7, 9:40 am, "m.t6" <> wrote:
>
> Bristol. Barton House is HP.

I'd considered that, but looking at a map of Bristol, that appears to
be 180 degs off beam at Mr SpamTrapSeeSig's location ?

On Feb 7, 9:59 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
> In article , m.t6 <?@?.?.invalid> writes
>
> >Bristol. Barton House is HP.
>
> Makes sense. It's surrounded by tower blocks, so I assume it might help
> ghosting effects.

Might have more to do with the fact it's co-channel with the Ubley
relay, and that's VP.

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:24:46 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:

>> Strewth, did they not teach you about contrast ratio at Evesham at some 
>> point? White on light grey for text is not terribly clever is it?
> 
> As it came 'out of the box'. Will tweak...
> 
> Have to say though, it looks fine on my calibrated monitor, although the 
> lap top panel has it sat up a bit.

The average computer screen has even less chnace of being set up correctly 
than yer average TV..

> .... changed it to black - is that OK now?

The background is suposed to be black? Captures screen looks at background 
RGB values all at 73... The text is white RGB = 255.

I'm not convinced about Bibble either, one of the nicer looking gallery 
presentations but when you look at the large single image there is no 
prev/next button. To look at another image you have to go "back", select, 
and the then click it to get the large view, user friendly not.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

Mark Carver wrote:
> On Feb 7, 9:40 am, "m.t6" <> wrote:
>>
>> Bristol. Barton House is HP.
>
> I'd considered that, but looking at a map of Bristol, that appears
> to be 180 degs off beam at Mr SpamTrapSeeSig's location ?

And it's only 18W ERP, and (according to mb21) it's pointing SE and SW
from the tx site, whereas Henleaze is, as Mark says, NW(ish). In any 
case, signals from a Council tower block in East Bristol wouldn't dare 
make their way up the hill to the Downs ;-) .

André Coutanche

Mark Carver wrote:

> On Feb 7, 9:40 am, "m.t6" <> wrote:
> > 
> > Bristol. Barton House is HP.
> 
> I'd considered that, but looking at a map of Bristol, that appears to
> be 180 degs off beam at Mr SpamTrapSeeSig's location ?


Don't forget it could still be a Mendip or Wenvoe aerial off position.

In article ,
   SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
> In article , m.t6 <?@?.?.invalid> writes
> >Bristol. Barton House is HP.

> Makes sense. It's surrounded by tower blocks, so I assume it might help 
> ghosting effects. The one in question is probably intended for Wenvoe.

the choice of HP would be to minimise cci.  BBH shares channels with quite
a few other Mendip relays as well as some in Wales.

-- 
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
> In article , Bill  writes
>> In message <$H7F3uEy7kqHFwQb@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk>, 
>> SpamTrapSeeSig  writes
>>> ... changed it to black - is that OK now?
>>
>> I think the complaint is about the text under the bigger pic. If I 
>> click on the bigger pic it gets even bigger and the text changes to 
>> "on" darker grey.
> 
> Oh all right! I've copied over a stylesheet from elsewhere.
> 
>> No idea what Bibble is that it's built by, but I think I'll avoid it.
> 
> It's a raw camera image processor/workflow tool for stills, and it's 
> very cool indeed.
> 
> The web output is a freebie, and saves time as it's fairly automatic 
> (presumably, if you're a wedding photographer it lets you put up albums 
> for clients to view on-line, rather than just pass the album round). 
> There are a few bugs in their scripts/css, but that's really not what 
> it's for, and all you really need to do is copy fixed scripts over to 
> the right directory.
> 
> I need to get round to tweaking the templates really, but TBH, it really 
> does look OK on a calibrated monitor, and not bad on the laptop. I think 
> the latest stylesheet is better (selected thumbnail surround black, 
> elsewhere dark grey), but it has a few bugs in the JS I really need to 
> look at. It's still not bad for instant albums though.
> 
> Bibble's real purpose is non-destructive RAW image processing, it does 
> this really nicely, especially the noise reduction, highlight recovery 
> and colourimetry. With gentle sharpening, it's got that almost mystical 
> quality of removing noise without damaging detail. There are binaries 
> for WinTel, OSX and Linux, and a licence for laptop and desktop 
> simultaneously. It's NOT Photoshop (but there is a plugin).
> 
> <http://www.bibblelabs.com>.
> 
> No I don't get commission, but I think it's brilliant. Its first outing 
> for me was a wedding in NYC, where I turned round about 70 pics in two 
> evenings, and it recovered nasty contre-jour stuff I couldn't touch 
> otherwise (deals acceptably with chromatic aberration from cheap 
> zooms!). It comes into it's own with raw images. Nothing will really 
> touch nasty low-res JPEGs, like the ones I shot last night though.
> 
> The only letdown is the HP laptop which has a cheap screen that's not 
> good enough for colourimetry. So I can look, but not really tweak much.
> 
> I need a Macbook Air, honestly dear...
> 
> Simonm.
> 
I've been looking for something that will add the Date and Time to a 
photo when printed.  (SOH wants to do this.)  The Cannon A710 we have 
only does this on the lower resolutions, for some odd reason.

You'd think there would be tons of software out there that did this - 
preferably free!

I had a look at Bibble, but as you actually have it could you confirm it 
doesn't do this, Simon/

Richard

In article , André Coutanche 
 writes
>Mark Carver wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 9:40 am, "m.t6" <> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bristol. Barton House is HP.
>>
>> I'd considered that, but looking at a map of Bristol, that appears
>> to be 180 degs off beam at Mr SpamTrapSeeSig's location ?
>
>And it's only 18W ERP, and (according to mb21) it's pointing SE and SW
>from the tx site, whereas Henleaze is, as Mark says, NW(ish). In any
>case, signals from a Council tower block in East Bristol wouldn't dare
>make their way up the hill to the Downs ;-) .

I'll take signals from anywhere, me :-)

But you're right, it's in the opposite direction, and right down in the 
bowl of Bristol (Barton Hill is only about 1-200ft high). Charles H. 
mentioned CCI, which makes sense as Ubley would be roughly in line with 
it for some people, albeit miles away (and over a hill or two).

Regards,

Simonm.

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In article , m.t6 
<?@?.?.invalid> writes
>Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> On Feb 7, 9:40 am, "m.t6" <> wrote:
>> >
>> > Bristol. Barton House is HP.
>>
>> I'd considered that, but looking at a map of Bristol, that appears to
>> be 180 degs off beam at Mr SpamTrapSeeSig's location ?
>
>
>Don't forget it could still be a Mendip or Wenvoe aerial off position.

I think Wenvoe. There's a Mendip aerial just above it on the same pole.

Regards,

Simonm.

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In article ,
	Dickie mint wrote:

> I've been looking for something that will add the Date and Time to a 
> photo when printed.  (SOH wants to do this.)  The Cannon A710 we have 
> only does this on the lower resolutions, for some odd reason.

The information is usually all there in the EXIF headers.

-- 
Paul Martin

In article , Dickie mint 
 writes

>I've been looking for something that will add the Date and Time to a 
>photo when printed.  (SOH wants to do this.)  The Cannon A710 we have 
>only does this on the lower resolutions, for some odd reason.

Probably because it thinks you usually want a clean print at higher res.

>You'd think there would be tons of software out there that did this - 
>preferably free!
>
>I had a look at Bibble, but as you actually have it could you confirm 
>it doesn't do this

Yes, I think it doesn't do it. The Matty plug-in ($10) does watermarks 
with some sophistication, but the watermarks are themselves bitmaps, and 
there's no ability to render them from text input. I'm pretty certain 
you can auto-magically embed date or time into the output filename (it's 
got variables for that), but it's not something I've ever tried to do 
(although I do use the 'seeded' file-naming capability a bit).

As you can see from the web browser output, the EXIF data is available 
programatically. The comment text comes from the IPTC info that it 
stores <ctrl-I> in Bibble. It's not the easiest user interface, but it 
is powerful, and you get used to it. This thread in the forum might have 
what you want, but it uses a 3rd party back-end batch processor:

<http://support.bibblelabs.com/webboard/viewtopic.php?t=9002&highlight=ip
tc>

For alternative S/W that might do it:

<http://www.iptc.org/photometadata/softwaresupportlist1.php#p12>

Something on this list might do what you want.

Finally, I use Corel Photopaint (part of the Corel Draw suite) in 
preference to Photoshop, and it's scriptable in VBA. I've no doubt you 
could do it in that (presumably you want the EXIF date/timestamp), but 
it would take a bit of fiddling about.

HTH,

Simonm.

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In article , SpamTrapSeeSig 
 writes
>This thread in the forum might have what you want, but it uses a 3rd 
>party back-end batch processor:
>
><http://support.bibblelabs.com/webboard/viewtopic.php?t=9002&highlight=ip
>tc>

<http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php>

SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
> In article , SpamTrapSeeSig 
>  writes
>> This thread in the forum might have what you want, but it uses a 3rd 
>> party back-end batch processor:
>>
>> <http://support.bibblelabs.com/webboard/viewtopic.php?t=9002&highlight=ip
>> tc>
> 
> <http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php>
> 
Thanks for all this, Simon.

I'm tempted to give it to her ladyship to read through!
There doesn't seem to be a quick solution though, at first reading.


Richard

"Mark Carver"  wrote in message 
news:eed2d102-9158-4a23-bb03-ee4fa8d28336@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
> Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
> punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP

Some riggers round these parts put DAB aerials horizontally.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:ZsydnUjiqZPF0jbanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Mark Carver"  wrote in message 
> news:eed2d102-9158-4a23-bb03-ee4fa8d28336@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
>> Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
>> punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP
>
> Some riggers round these parts put DAB aerials horizontally.
>
> Bill


I know someone with one of those.
Early adopter of DAB, you know the sort, always has to be
first with latest gadget but in truth knows sweet Fanny Adams
about it.
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

In article ,
	SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:
> In article , SpamTrapSeeSig 
>  writes
>>This thread in the forum might have what you want, but it uses a 3rd 
>>party back-end batch processor:
>>
>><http://support.bibblelabs.com/webboard/viewtopic.php?t=9002&highlight=ip
>>tc>

> <http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php>

#!/bin/sh
in=source.jpg
out=output.jpg

convert $in \
-fill white \
-undercolor '#00000080' \
-gravity South \
-pointsize 20 \
-annotate +0+5 \
" `exif -i $in | perl -ne \
 'if (/^0x9004\|(\d+):(\d+):(\d+) (\d+):(\d+):(\d+)/) \
 {print \" $3/$2/$1 $4:$5:$6 \";}'` " \
$out

-- 
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:24:16 -0800 (PST), Mark Carver
 wrote:

>On Feb 6, 10:52 pm, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
>> Following on from earlier discussions, here are a few snaps of the
>> rooftops that are easily seen from the house. There are loads more, but
>> as you can see it was sunset and chilly and time didn't permit climbing
>> up on't roof to do better.
>>
>> <http://www.muircom.demon.co.uk/aerials>
>
>Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
>Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
>punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP, although I'm surprised
>in Bristol, where VP is hardly a novelty.
>
>There's some yuppie flats on the banks Southampton Water. Every flat
>but one has an HP yagi directed at the VP Millbrook relay, the only
>flat that has a correctly installed VP is the one I commissioned.
>
>As for wanting Welsh telly in Bristol, S4C can be a very useful
>'timeshift' facility for C4 :-)

Not on digital, only Welsh language programmes,your time shifting
looks like it will come to an end in 2009
-- 
Cheers

Peter

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:ZsydnUjiqZPF0jbanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Mark Carver"  wrote in message 
> news:eed2d102-9158-4a23-bb03-ee4fa8d28336@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
>> Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
>> punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP
>
> Some riggers round these parts put DAB aerials horizontally.
>
> Bill

There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along with 
halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)

I was in Bristle on Wednesday and as I drove down the M32 to J3 I marvelled 
at how many houses had contract aerials badly fitted! The road is above the 
level of the surrounding houses and you get a great view of thousands of 
festering aerial installations falling off the chimneys of terraced houses! 
It's more noticeable due to the different directions and polarizations in 
use.

An my destination in Brislington all the aerials seemed to be looking at 
Mendip.

In article , Doctor D 
 writes
>
>"Bill Wright"  wrote in message
>news:ZsydnUjiqZPF0jbanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Mark Carver"  wrote in message
>> news:eed2d102-9158-4a23-bb03-ee4fa8d28336@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
>>> Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
>>> punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP
>>
>> Some riggers round these parts put DAB aerials horizontally.
>>
>> Bill
>
>There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along with
>halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)
>
>I was in Bristle on Wednesday and as I drove down the M32 to J3 I marvelled
>at how many houses had contract aerials badly fitted! The road is above the
>level of the surrounding houses and you get a great view of thousands of
>festering aerial installations falling off the chimneys of terraced houses!
>It's more noticeable due to the different directions and polarizations in
>use.

Central Bristol is pretty horrid (RF speaking, naturally!!). ISTR Mendip 
is shadowed in Eastville, and there are a number of fairly 
unsatisfactory alternatives, including the aforementioned Barton House 
and the famous Ilchester Crescent (just about), but I think they may use 
Montpelier (which is a weird one, as you look down on it from the 
adjacent hillside). All the others are shadowed.

It may be that many of the properties overlooked by the M32 use cable. 
IIRC, the analogue services were still available last year, although 
unsupported by Telewest/Virgin. I don't have a box, otherwise I'd 
experiment...

Regards,

Simonm.

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On Feb 8, 9:56 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:

> Central Bristol is pretty horrid (RF speaking, naturally!!). ISTR Mendip
> is shadowed in Eastville, and there are a number of fairly
> unsatisfactory alternatives, including the aforementioned Barton House
> and the famous Ilchester Crescent (just about), but I think they may use
> Montpelier (which is a weird one, as you look down on it from the
> adjacent hillside). All the others are shadowed.
>
> It may be that many of the properties overlooked by the M32 use cable.
> IIRC, the analogue services were still available last year, although
> unsupported by Telewest/Virgin. I don't have a box, otherwise I'd
> experiment...

Was there once any plan to use the BT tower at Purdown for UHF TV ?
I note it's used for some FM and DAB services for the city .

In article
,
   Mark Carver  wrote:
> On Feb 8, 9:56 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:

> > Central Bristol is pretty horrid (RF speaking, naturally!!). ISTR Mendip
> > is shadowed in Eastville, and there are a number of fairly
> > unsatisfactory alternatives, including the aforementioned Barton House
> > and the famous Ilchester Crescent (just about), but I think they may use
> > Montpelier (which is a weird one, as you look down on it from the
> > adjacent hillside). All the others are shadowed.
> >
> > It may be that many of the properties overlooked by the M32 use cable.
> > IIRC, the analogue services were still available last year, although
> > unsupported by Telewest/Virgin. I don't have a box, otherwise I'd
> > experiment...

> Was there once any plan to use the BT tower at Purdown for UHF TV ?
> I note it's used for some FM and DAB services for the city .

not that I was aware of.

-- 
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Mark Carver wrote:

> Was there once any plan to use the BT tower at Purdown for UHF TV ?
> I note it's used for some FM and DAB services for the city .

It seems unlikely. The UHF TV networks were planned on the basis of the
BBC and ITA (as it was then) each owning half of the sites and sharing
them with the other on a landlord/tenant basis, at least for the main
stations and the older relays. The only exception I know of is
Hannington, where I think for planning reasons the broadcasters had to
share a single mast with the Home Office's Directorate of
Telecommunications (D.Tels).* Where the GPO/BT used the same hilltop as
a broadcast site, it was normally on a nearby but different plot (e.g.
Kirk o'Shotts, Peterborough, Llangollen).

The concrete tower at Purdown wasn't even built until 1970, although the
site had been used (with steel lattice towers) from 1961.


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In article <fxWGjAY$cCrHFwe8@tigger.muircom.demon.co.uk>,
	SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:

> It may be that many of the properties overlooked by the M32 use cable. 
> IIRC, the analogue services were still available last year, although 
> unsupported by Telewest/Virgin. I don't have a box, otherwise I'd 
> experiment...

Having put a splitter on my incoming cable feed, I find that they
supply BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV, C4, C5 (16F16 anamorphic) and BBC News 24
(12F12 centre cut out) on normal UHF channels too. Not the same
frequencies as Winter Hill.

-- 
Paul Martin

On Feb 8, 2:20 pm, Richard Lamont  wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
> > Was there once any plan to use the BT tower at Purdown for UHF TV ?
> > I note it's used for some FM and DAB services for the city .
>
> It seems unlikely. The UHF TV networks were planned on the basis of the
> BBC and ITA (as it was then) each owning half of the sites and sharing
> them with the other on a landlord/tenant basis, at least for the main
> stations and the older relays. The only exception I know of is
> Hannington, where I think for planning reasons the broadcasters had to
> share a single mast with the Home Office's Directorate of
> Telecommunications (D.Tels).* Where the GPO/BT used the same hilltop as
> a broadcast site, it was normally on a nearby but different plot (e.g.
> Kirk o'Shotts, Peterborough, Llangollen).
>
> The concrete tower at Purdown wasn't even built until 1970, although the
> site had been used (with steel lattice towers) from 1961.

Ah, fair enough then. Later the IBA certainly used a few GPO/BT sites
for ILR Band II use from the early 80s. Wenalt, Pye Green, Sutton
Common, Stoke Holy Cross, Granite Hill.

Hertford water tower might have interesting stories attached as an
early UHF site from the 60s ?

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/hertford.php

"Doctor D"  wrote in message 
news:13qo7c766inj9d1@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:ZsydnUjiqZPF0jbanZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "Mark Carver"  wrote in message 
>> news:eed2d102-9158-4a23-bb03-ee4fa8d28336@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Picture 11:  It could be the HP aerial that's 45 degs off beam for
>>> Wenvoe, it actually intended for the relay (KWH ?). Some riggers/
>>> punters seem to assume all transmitters are HP
>>
>> Some riggers round these parts put DAB aerials horizontally.
>>
>> Bill
>
> There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along with 
> halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)
They will undoubtedly be filed away, and the next time I do an update they 
will be used if they are good and clear. I don't know when that will be 
because the webmistress has buggered off and I haven't got time to do it. 
Anyone fancy a job?

Bill

>> There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along 
>> with halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)
> They will undoubtedly be filed away, and the next time I do an update they 
> will be used if they are good and clear. I don't know when that will be 
> because the webmistress has buggered off and I haven't got time to do it. 
> Anyone fancy a job?


I thought that was probably the case, and no, I don't fancy the job thanks.

"Doctor D"  wrote in message 
news:13qqvtgpn3ru2a9@corp.supernews.com...
>>> There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along 
>>> with halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)
>> They will undoubtedly be filed away, and the next time I do an update 
>> they will be used if they are good and clear. I don't know when that will 
>> be because the webmistress has buggered off and I haven't got time to do 
>> it. Anyone fancy a job?
>
>
> I thought that was probably the case, and no, I don't fancy the job 
> thanks.

There would be perks.

Bill

In article , Bill Wright 
 writes
>
>"Doctor D"  wrote in message
>news:13qqvtgpn3ru2a9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along
>>>> with halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)
>>> They will undoubtedly be filed away, and the next time I do an update
>>> they will be used if they are good and clear. I don't know when that will
>>> be because the webmistress has buggered off and I haven't got time to do
>>> it. Anyone fancy a job?
>>
>>
>> I thought that was probably the case, and no, I don't fancy the job
>> thanks.
>
>There would be perks.

The thought of anyone being your webmistress is more than disturbing...


Regards,

Simonm.

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In article ,
	Bill Wright wrote:

> "Doctor D"  wrote in message 
> news:13qqvtgpn3ru2a9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey on new flats, along 
>>>> with halos. I emailed some to you Bill, what did you do with them? :-)
>>> They will undoubtedly be filed away, and the next time I do an update 
>>> they will be used if they are good and clear. I don't know when that will 
>>> be because the webmistress has buggered off and I haven't got time to do 
>>> it. Anyone fancy a job?
>>
>>
>> I thought that was probably the case, and no, I don't fancy the job 
>> thanks.

> There would be perks.

Sorry, but I don't fancy going round in a dress.

-- 
Paul Martin

"Bill Wright"  wrote in
message news:-PGdnde5r-eoXTDanZ2dnUVZ8umdnZ2d@pipex.net 
: : "Doctor D"  wrote in message
: : news:13qqvtgpn3ru2a9@corp.supernews.com...
: : : : : There's loads of these around Camberley in Surrey
: : : : : on new flats, along with halos. I emailed some to
: : : : : you Bill, what did you do with them? :-) 
: : : : They will undoubtedly be filed away, and the next
: : : : time I do an update they will be used if they are
: : : : good and clear. I don't know when that will be
: : : : because the webmistress has buggered off and I
: : : : haven't got time to do it. Anyone fancy a job? 
: : : 
: : : 
: : : I thought that was probably the case, and no, I don't
: : : fancy the job thanks.
: : 
: : There would be perks.

Free real ale..?

Ivor