Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
on?

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On Jan 9, 5:08 pm, Paul Heslop  wrote:
> Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
> old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
> and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
> on?

RBS tests, see the thread on the subject currently running in this
group.

Mark Carver wrote:
> 
> On Jan 9, 5:08 pm, Paul Heslop  wrote:
> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
> > on?
> 
> RBS tests, see the thread on the subject currently running in this
> group.

Thanks Mark.
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Paul Heslop wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:

>> RBS tests, see the thread on the subject currently running in this
>> group.
> 
> Thanks Mark.

There's some background on this Blog from someone:-

http://tvstartups.blogspot.com/


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Mark Carver wrote:
> 
> Paul Heslop wrote:
> > Mark Carver wrote:
> 
> >> RBS tests, see the thread on the subject currently running in this
> >> group.
> >
> > Thanks Mark.
> 
> There's some background on this Blog from someone:-
> 
> http://tvstartups.blogspot.com/
> 
> --
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thanks again, though a little knowledge is sometimes a dangerous thing
:O)

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"Paul Heslop"  wrote in message 
news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
> Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
> old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
> and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
> on?
>
Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch it 
all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most programming 
these days.

Graham

Graham wrote:
> 
> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message
> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
> > on?
> >
> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch it
> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most programming
> these days.
> 
> Graham

sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.

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Paul Heslop wrote:

> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.

Charlotte Green in'it ?



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Mark Carver wrote:
> 
> Paul Heslop wrote:
> 
> > sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
> > blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
> 
> Charlotte Green in'it ?
> 
long as it's not Charlotte Church!

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Graham wrote:
> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message 
> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
>> old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
>> and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
>> programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
>> on?
>>
> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch it 
> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most programming 
> these days.
> 
> Graham 
> 
> 
So VERY VERY VERY.................. true

"Graham"  wrote in message
news:13of4oml8q3jh08@corp.supernews.com
: : "Paul Heslop"  wrote in
: : message news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
: : : Very late on i was flicking through the channels and
: : : BBC2 had on the old test card, the one with girl and
: : : blackboard etc, really bad grain and lines visible.
: : : Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
: : : programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would
: : : have been going on?
: : :
: : Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card
: : F. I could watch it all night, along with the daft
: : music. Certainly better than most programming these
: : days.

Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always liked that one about 
plastics.

Ivor

In message , Ivor Jones 
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> writes
>
>
>"Graham"  wrote in message
>news:13of4oml8q3jh08@corp.supernews.com
>: : "Paul Heslop"  wrote in
>: : message news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
>: : : Very late on i was flicking through the channels and
>: : : BBC2 had on the old test card, the one with girl and
>: : : blackboard etc, really bad grain and lines visible.
>: : : Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
>: : : programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would
>: : : have been going on?
>: : :
>: : Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card
>: : F. I could watch it all night, along with the daft
>: : music. Certainly better than most programming these
>: : days.
>
>Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always liked that one about 
>plastics.

That would have been "Prospect for Plastics", I think!   I seem to 
recall a John Betjamin one about the National Trust, too.

I'm now thinking about pre-school afternoons in front of my Auntie 
Phyllis' 26" Bush (so to speak).
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Ivor Jones wrote:
> 
> "Graham"  wrote in message
> news:13of4oml8q3jh08@corp.supernews.com
> : : "Paul Heslop"  wrote in
> : : message news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
> : : : Very late on i was flicking through the channels and
> : : : BBC2 had on the old test card, the one with girl and
> : : : blackboard etc, really bad grain and lines visible.
> : : : Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> : : : programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would
> : : : have been going on?
> : : :
> : : Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card
> : : F. I could watch it all night, along with the daft
> : : music. Certainly better than most programming these
> : : days.
> 
> Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always liked that one about
> plastics.
> 
> Ivor

I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of Nuclear power
scares the crap out of me.

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> I'm now thinking about pre-school afternoons in front of my Auntie
> Phyllis' 26" Bush (so to speak).

ooer

 :O)
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Paul Heslop wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
>> Paul Heslop wrote:
>>
>>> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
>>> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
>> Charlotte Green in'it ?
>>
> long as it's not Charlotte Church!

No, but.................

http://www.bgn.me.uk/SkyHDTestCardFixed.png



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In article , Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>Paul Heslop wrote:
>> Mark Carver wrote:
>>> Paul Heslop wrote:
>>>
>>>> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
>>>> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
>>> Charlotte Green in'it ?
>>>
>> long as it's not Charlotte Church!
>
>No, but.................
>
>http://www.bgn.me.uk/SkyHDTestCardFixed.png
>
>
>

Good piccy that..

As long as she doesn't move ;!...
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In article , Paul Heslop
 scribeth thus
>Ivor Jones wrote:
>> 
>> "Graham"  wrote in message
>> news:13of4oml8q3jh08@corp.supernews.com
>> : : "Paul Heslop"  wrote in
>> : : message news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> : : : Very late on i was flicking through the channels and
>> : : : BBC2 had on the old test card, the one with girl and
>> : : : blackboard etc, really bad grain and lines visible.
>> : : : Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
>> : : : programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would
>> : : : have been going on?
>> : : :
>> : : Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card
>> : : F. I could watch it all night, along with the daft
>> : : music. Certainly better than most programming these
>> : : days.
>> 
>> Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always liked that one about
>> plastics.
>> 
>> Ivor
>
>I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of Nuclear power
>scares the crap out of me.
>
Why?...
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"tony sayer"  wrote in message
news:In7B3JRSl9hHFwcF@bancom.co.uk
: : In article , Paul
: : Heslop  scribeth thus
: : : Ivor Jones wrote:

[snip]

: : : : Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always
: : : : liked that one about plastics.
: : : :
: : : : Ivor
: : :
: : : I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of
: : : Nuclear power scares the crap out of me.
: : :
: : Why?...

Is that a serious question..?

Waste taking hundreds or even thousands of years to decay has a lot to do 
with it if you ask me.

Ivor

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:28:27 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:

> http://www.bgn.me.uk/SkyHDTestCardFixed.png

Is that grabbed of air? 'cause if the orgination is like that it's pretty 
piss poor for HD.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:28:27 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:
> 
>> http://www.bgn.me.uk/SkyHDTestCardFixed.png
> 
> Is that grabbed of air? 'cause if the orgination is like that it's pretty 
> piss poor for HD.

Nothing to do with me, someone re-worked an off air grab.

Full story:-

<http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tech.tv.sky/browse_frm/thread/26ac61682b08cc3d/fb916c006918dea2#fb916c006918dea2>

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In article , Ivor Jones wrote:
> : : : I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of
> : : : Nuclear power scares the crap out of me.
> : : :
> : : Why?...
> 
> Is that a serious question..?
> 
> Waste taking hundreds or even thousands of years to decay has a lot to do 
> with it if you ask me.

Somebody once put it into perspective by saying that for nuclear waste to be 
stored until it is safe, it will have to be contained in something that will 
last longer than the pyramids. Do you think we can do that?

Rod.

tony sayer wrote:
> 
> In article , Paul Heslop
>  scribeth thus
> >Ivor Jones wrote:
> >>
> >> "Graham"  wrote in message
> >> news:13of4oml8q3jh08@corp.supernews.com
> >> : : "Paul Heslop"  wrote in
> >> : : message news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> : : : Very late on i was flicking through the channels and
> >> : : : BBC2 had on the old test card, the one with girl and
> >> : : : blackboard etc, really bad grain and lines visible.
> >> : : : Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> >> : : : programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would
> >> : : : have been going on?
> >> : : :
> >> : : Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card
> >> : : F. I could watch it all night, along with the daft
> >> : : music. Certainly better than most programming these
> >> : : days.
> >>
> >> Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always liked that one about
> >> plastics.
> >>
> >> Ivor
> >
> >I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of Nuclear power
> >scares the crap out of me.
> >
> Why?...

Because I am of the generation who were led to believe that Nuclear =
death?

:O)

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Roderick Stewart wrote:
> 
> In article , Ivor Jones wrote:
> > : : : I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of
> > : : : Nuclear power scares the crap out of me.
> > : : :
> > : : Why?...
> >
> > Is that a serious question..?
> >
> > Waste taking hundreds or even thousands of years to decay has a lot to do
> > with it if you ask me.
> 
> Somebody once put it into perspective by saying that for nuclear waste to be
> stored until it is safe, it will have to be contained in something that will
> last longer than the pyramids. Do you think we can do that?
> 
> Rod.

Nope, we are crap at everything. someday it will happen.

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Mark Carver wrote:
> 
> Paul Heslop wrote:
> > Mark Carver wrote:
> >> Paul Heslop wrote:
> >>
> >>> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
> >>> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
> >> Charlotte Green in'it ?
> >>
> > long as it's not Charlotte Church!
> 
> No, but.................
> 
> http://www.bgn.me.uk/SkyHDTestCardFixed.png
> 
> --
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heh heh heh
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"tony sayer"  wrote in message 
news:In7B3JRSl9hHFwcF@bancom.co.uk...
> In article , Paul Heslop
>  scribeth thus
>>I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of Nuclear power
>>scares the crap out of me.
>>
> Why?...

Coal has killed far more people than nuclear. Industrial diseases and all 
that.

Bill

"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
news:VA.00000268.01d8463c@removethisbit.beeb.net...
> In article , Ivor Jones wrote:
>> : : : I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of
>> : : : Nuclear power scares the crap out of me.
>> : : :
>> : : Why?...
>>
>> Is that a serious question..?
>>
>> Waste taking hundreds or even thousands of years to decay has a lot to do
>> with it if you ask me.
>
> Somebody once put it into perspective by saying that for nuclear waste to 
> be
> stored until it is safe, it will have to be contained in something that 
> will
> last longer than the pyramids. Do you think we can do that?

Yes, but if the greenies are to be believed we have to reduce CO2 emissions 
or the world will come to an end anyway. The only practical way we can even 
approach doing that is by the use of nuclear power, so there isn't much 
choice.

In any case, it's too late to worry about the waste. We already have a huge 
amount of it to get rid of. This means that we have no option but to dig a 
massive hole to bury the existing waste, so we might as well dig a slightly 
more massive one to accommodate the waste from the new generation of power 
stations. Modern nuclear plants only create 10% of the waste of the old 
ones.

I don't think the pyramids provide a valid comparison. Nuclear waste can be 
buried, and as long as it's 300m down the problem is solved.

Everyone knows really that windmills and so forth can't possibly satisfy our 
energy needs. The argument therefore is between the greens who think we 
should manage with far less energy in the future and those who have realised 
that this would make it impossible to maintain our existing standard of 
living.

Fortunately, governments are aware of a basic truth: if there are serious 
reductions in people's standard of living the result is unrest and general 
turmoil. So there's no way that they will ever do anything that will have 
any serious effect on CO2 emissions. They will continue to use 'the 
environment' as an excuse for increasing taxes, but that's all.

Bill

On Jan 12, 5:14 am, "Bill Wright" 
wrote:
> "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
>
> Everyone knows really that windmills and so forth can't possibly satisfy our
> energy needs. The argument therefore is between the greens who think we
> should manage with far less energy in the future and those who have realised
> that this would make it impossible to maintain our existing standard of
> living.

I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.
Forcing manufacturers to make equipment which is more energy efficient
and which doesn't need to be left running 24/7, combined with a bit of
common sense on behalf of the people and businesses would save lots in
itself.

In article
,
    wrote:
> On Jan 12, 5:14 am, "Bill Wright" 
> wrote:
> > "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
> >
> > Everyone knows really that windmills and so forth can't possibly
> > satisfy our energy needs. The argument therefore is between the greens
> > who think we should manage with far less energy in the future and those
> > who have realised that this would make it impossible to maintain our
> > existing standard of living.

> I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.

You've been reading too many 'green' papers.  'Wasted' electricity will end
up as heat.  The heat is generally used instead of providing it from some
other source.

> Forcing manufacturers to make equipment which is more energy efficient
> and which doesn't need to be left running 24/7, combined with a bit of
> common sense on behalf of the people and businesses would save lots in
> itself.

Energy efficiency doesn't always achieve the wanted results.  Our washing
machine is "highly water efficient".  This means it uses less water than
was the norm.  The result is that it doesn't rinse properly, so a second
rinse is needed, using more water than older machines.  Again with water,
cisterns in WCs are smaller than they used to be.  This may be fine in
modern situations with modern sewage, but with Edwardian plumbing and
sewage two flushes are now needed to do keep the pipes clear.  Again, more
water is used than before.

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> "tony sayer"  wrote in message 
> news:In7B3JRSl9hHFwcF@bancom.co.uk...
> > In article , Paul Heslop
> >  scribeth thus
> >>I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of Nuclear power
> >>scares the crap out of me.
> >>
> > Why?...

> Coal has killed far more people than nuclear. Industrial diseases and all 
> that.

> Bill 


Even the waste from coal has killed more people in the UK that the waste
from the nuclear industry.

The message 
from charles  contains these words:


> > I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.

> You've been reading too many 'green' papers.  'Wasted' electricity will end
> up as heat.  The heat is generally used instead of providing it from some
> other source.


And dodgy statistics produced by the greenies like the article in the
Telegraph (don't know what their source was) which said that TV sets
used 70% of their normal power consumption when on standby.  I heard
someone on a Radio 2 programme repeat it and I don't think they ever
corrected it.

MB wrote:
> 
> The message 
> from "Bill Wright"  contains these words:
> 
> > "tony sayer"  wrote in message
> > news:In7B3JRSl9hHFwcF@bancom.co.uk...
> > > In article , Paul Heslop
> > >  scribeth thus
> > >>I liked the nuclear one, even if the whole idea of Nuclear power
> > >>scares the crap out of me.
> > >>
> > > Why?...
> 
> > Coal has killed far more people than nuclear. Industrial diseases and all
> > that.
> 
> > Bill
> 
> Even the waste from coal has killed more people in the UK that the waste
> from the nuclear industry.

It's all about perception though, isn't it? 

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"MB" <MB@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> The message 
> from charles  contains these words:
>
>
>> > I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.
>
>> You've been reading too many 'green' papers.  'Wasted' electricity 
>> will end
>> up as heat.  The heat is generally used instead of providing it from 
>> some
>> other source.
>
> And dodgy statistics produced by the greenies like the article in the
> Telegraph (don't know what their source was) which said that TV sets
> used 70% of their normal power consumption when on standby.  I heard
> someone on a Radio 2 programme repeat it and I don't think they ever
> corrected it.

If standby statistics are so important, Greenies should encourage 
everyone to get the biggest possible plasma. Just over 0.1% consumption 
in standby on mine.
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In article ,
	Paul Heslop wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>> 
>> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message
>> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
>> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
>> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
>> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
>> > on?
>> >
>> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch it
>> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most programming
>> these days.

> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.

Charlotte was announcing the time every 10 seconds, but the date at the
top of the minute. Here's a snippet

http://www.zetnet.co.uk/~pm/utb/rbs-glits.mp3

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In article , Paul Martin
 scribeth thus
>In article ,
>       Paul Heslop wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message
>>> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
>>> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
>>> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
>>> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
>>> > on?
>>> >
>>> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch it
>>> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most programming
>>> these days.
>
>> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
>> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
>
>Charlotte was announcing the time every 10 seconds, but the date at the
>top of the minute. Here's a snippet
>
>http://www.zetnet.co.uk/~pm/utb/rbs-glits.mp3
>
She still sounds so mummmmm well never mind;)....
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"tony sayer"  wrote in message 
news:kRxqaHX2qKiHFwSH@bancom.co.uk...
> In article , Paul Martin
>  scribeth thus
>>In article ,
>>       Paul Heslop wrote:
>>> Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message
>>>> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
>>>> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
>>>> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and 
>>>> > the
>>>> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
>>>> > on?
>>>> >
>>>> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch 
>>>> it
>>>> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most 
>>>> programming
>>>> these days.
>>
>>> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
>>> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
>>
>>Charlotte was announcing the time every 10 seconds, but the date at the
>>top of the minute. Here's a snippet
>>
>>http://www.zetnet.co.uk/~pm/utb/rbs-glits.mp3
>>
> She still sounds so mummmmm well never mind;)....

I bet she was horse at the end of the shift though.

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%Profound_observation%

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:25:58 +0000, Ian Jelf
 wrote:

>I'm now thinking about pre-school afternoons in front of my Auntie 
>Phyllis' 26" Bush (so to speak).

Please stop speaking. :)
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Paul Martin wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>         Paul Heslop wrote:
> > Graham wrote:
> >>
> >> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message
> >> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
> >> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
> >> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and the
> >> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
> >> > on?
> >> >
> >> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch it
> >> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most programming
> >> these days.
> 
> > sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
> > blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
> 
> Charlotte was announcing the time every 10 seconds, but the date at the
> top of the minute. Here's a snippet
> 
> http://www.zetnet.co.uk/~pm/utb/rbs-glits.mp3
> 
> --
> Paul Martin 

argh, yes, that was her
-- 
Paul  (We won't die of devotion)  
-------------------------------------------------------   
Stop and Look 
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:14:36 -0000, "Bill Wright" 
wrote:


>In any case, it's too late to worry about the waste. We already have a huge 
>amount of it to get rid of. This means that we have no option but to dig a 
>massive hole to bury the existing waste,

Can't see why they don't parcel it up and fire it into the sun.
Far more space for it up there than down here...

Geo

On 12/01/2008 16:26, Geo wrote:

> Can't see why they don't parcel it up and fire it into the sun.
> Far more space for it up there than down here...

What percentage of space vehicles have failed to launch properly?

In article , usenet.jan2008@adslpipe.co.uk says...
> On 12/01/2008 16:26, Geo wrote:
> 
> > Can't see why they don't parcel it up and fire it into the sun.
> > Far more space for it up there than down here...
> 
> What percentage of space vehicles have failed to launch properly?
> 

According to a New Scientist article last year, out of a total of 187 missions ever 
launched to the various planets, asteroids and comets, 117 were successful. That's a 
success rate of 62.5%, or less than 2 in 3. The failures were almost entirely accounted 
for by losses in missions to Venus and Mars - a success rate to these two planets of only 
54%.

So even if you've got a good launch success rate, getting it to your final destination 
isn't easy.
 
-- 
Halmyre

I'll just go and get my baton...it's in Chicago.

Graham.  wrote:

> "tony sayer"  wrote in message 
> news:kRxqaHX2qKiHFwSH@bancom.co.uk...
> > In article , Paul Martin
> >  scribeth thus
> >>In article ,
> >>       Paul Heslop wrote:
> >>> Graham wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Paul Heslop"  wrote in message
> >>>> news:4784FF95.6CA399E0@blueyonder.co.uk...
> >>>> > Very late on i was flicking through the channels and BBC2 had on the
> >>>> > old test card, the one with girl and blackboard etc, really bad grain
> >>>> > and lines visible. Curiosity made me flick on the digital BBC2 and
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > programs were showing as normal. Any idea what would have been going
> >>>> > on?
> >>>> >
> >>>> Arrrhh, memories, what mammaries ;-) Lovely Test Card F. I could watch
> >>>> it
> >>>> all night, along with the daft music. Certainly better than most
> >>>> programming
> >>>> these days.
> >>
> >>> sadly this time it went something like "blah blah and 38 seconds -
> >>> blah blah and 39 seconds" in a rather diturbing creepy female voice.
> >>
> >>Charlotte was announcing the time every 10 seconds, but the date at the
> >>top of the minute. Here's a snippet
> >>
> >>http://www.zetnet.co.uk/~pm/utb/rbs-glits.mp3
> >>
> > She still sounds so mummmmm well never mind;)....
> 
> I bet she was horse at the end of the shift though.

Neigh, lad.

-- 
Alan Pemberton
Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England
To e-mail me directly, please visit
<http://www.pembers.freeserve.co.uk/index.html#Mail-me>

wrote in message 
news:5d79dfe6-e55a-47e5-98c7-399c95b12191@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 12, 5:14 am, "Bill Wright" 
> wrote:
>> "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
>>
>> Everyone knows really that windmills and so forth can't possibly satisfy 
>> our
>> energy needs. The argument therefore is between the greens who think we
>> should manage with far less energy in the future and those who have 
>> realised
>> that this would make it impossible to maintain our existing standard of
>> living.
>
> I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.
> Forcing manufacturers to make equipment which is more energy efficient
> and which doesn't need to be left running 24/7, combined with a bit of
> common sense on behalf of the people and businesses would save lots in
> itself.

There's certainly a massive amount of energy wasted in industry. It staggers 
me when I enter some of these places. I've mentioned here before the huge 
office block that had greeny posters on the walls but had the PCs and the 
air cond fighting each other all weekend when the place was deserted.

It makes the attempts of Joe Public to save energy look rather pathetic.

If the government was really serious about energy use they would put VAT on 
gas and electricity at the full rate, and make it non-recoverable for 
industry. They won't though, because there would be a hooha.

Why do they allow Sky to keep showing that misleading claim on ch998 or 999 
or whatever it is saying that if everyone turned their Skybox to standby it 
would save as much electricity as Birminham uses?

These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a better 
idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) motion 
detectors in all lightswitches.

Bill

"charles"  wrote in message 
news:4f5fdfe5dbcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
> Energy efficiency doesn't always achieve the wanted results.  Our washing
> machine is "highly water efficient".  This means it uses less water than
> was the norm.  The result is that it doesn't rinse properly, so a second
> rinse is needed, using more water than older machines.  Again with water,
> cisterns in WCs are smaller than they used to be.  This may be fine in
> modern situations with modern sewage, but with Edwardian plumbing and
> sewage two flushes are now needed to do keep the pipes clear.  Again, more
> water is used than before.

Yes, I have to routinely flush several times just to keep the pipes clear.

Bill

"MB" <MB@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:313030303037313547888DBB94@invalid.invalid...
> The message 
> from "Bill Wright"  contains these words:
>> Coal has killed far more people than nuclear. Industrial diseases and all
>> that.
>
>> Bill
>
>
> Even the waste from coal has killed more people in the UK that the waste
> from the nuclear industry.

We are mining stock and my family lost more men in the pits in the last 
century than they lost in wars, and no, not everyone was in a reserved 
occupation.

Bill

"tony sayer"  wrote in message 
news:kRxqaHX2qKiHFwSH@bancom.co.uk...
> In article , Paul Martin
>  scribeth thus
>>Charlotte was announcing the time every 10 seconds, but the date at the
>>top of the minute. Here's a snippet
>>
>>http://www.zetnet.co.uk/~pm/utb/rbs-glits.mp3
>>
> She still sounds so mummmmm well never mind;)....

Trouble is it went on so long. I've got blisters on my knob!

Bill

"Graham."  wrote in message 
news:fmag90$fhv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> I bet she was horse at the end of the shift though.

Hey, horse or not I wouldn't mind a ride.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in
message news:KdSdnfCbhd8yjxTanZ2dnUVZ8uudnZ2d@pipex.net

[snip]

: : There's certainly a massive amount of energy wasted in
: : industry. It staggers me when I enter some of these
: : places. I've mentioned here before the huge office
: : block that had greeny posters on the walls but had the
: : PCs and the air cond fighting each other all weekend
: : when the place was deserted.

I've given up trying to get them to turn off the computers overnight at 
our place. True, there are a few systems that need to be running 24/7 but 
even so they could still turn off the monitors..!

Ivor

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:KdSdnfCbhd8yjxTanZ2dnUVZ8uudnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:5d79dfe6-e55a-47e5-98c7-399c95b12191@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 12, 5:14 am, "Bill Wright" 
>> wrote:
>>> "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> Everyone knows really that windmills and so forth can't possibly satisfy 
>>> our
>>> energy needs. The argument therefore is between the greens who think we
>>> should manage with far less energy in the future and those who have 
>>> realised
>>> that this would make it impossible to maintain our existing standard of
>>> living.
>>
>> I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.
>> Forcing manufacturers to make equipment which is more energy efficient
>> and which doesn't need to be left running 24/7, combined with a bit of
>> common sense on behalf of the people and businesses would save lots in
>> itself.
>
> There's certainly a massive amount of energy wasted in industry. It 
> staggers me when I enter some of these places. I've mentioned here before 
> the huge office block that had greeny posters on the walls but had the PCs 
> and the air cond fighting each other all weekend when the place was 
> deserted.
>
> It makes the attempts of Joe Public to save energy look rather pathetic.
>
> If the government was really serious about energy use they would put VAT 
> on gas and electricity at the full rate, and make it non-recoverable for 
> industry. They won't though, because there would be a hooha.
>
> Why do they allow Sky to keep showing that misleading claim on ch998 or 
> 999 or whatever it is saying that if everyone turned their Skybox to 
> standby it would save as much electricity as Birminham uses?


Quite, the standard Digiboxes are *the* classic example of a household
appliance that consumes very nearly as much in standby, as it does when on.

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

Bill Wright wrote:

> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a better 
> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) motion 
> detectors in all lightswitches.

You're telling me.

It's claimed that compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) are 5-6 times as
efficient as incandescents. For example, it says on the packet that an
11W CFL is equivalent to a 60W GLS, and 18W equivalent to 100W.

It only takes a look at the lumen ratings on the packets to demolish that:

60W 240V GLS  :  700 lumens = 11.667 lumens/W
11W CFL       :  600 lumens = 54.545 lumens/W

100W 240V GLS : 1320 lumens = 13.200 lumens/W
18W CFL       : 1100 lumens = 61.111 lumens/W

The ratio of the efficiencies is about 4.65.

The output of a CFL decays exponentially with age. There's a rapid fall
off in the first thousand hours. Guess what? The manufacturers' lumen
ratings relate to the light output after 100 hours. Given that these
lamps last in the order of 10,000 hours, for most of their life they
will be producing 20-30 % less light than the 100-hour figure.

So, let's knock 25% off those figures:

11W CFL       :  450 lumens = 40.909 lumens/W
18W CFL       :  825 lumens = 45.833 lumens/W

So far from being 5-6 times as efficient, the ratio is about 3.5. That's
compared to a GLS bulb, and ignores more efficient incandescent types
such as halogens, which can achieve well over 20 lumens/W, bringing the
ratio down to 2 or less.

So, I reckon as a rule of thumb CFLs are about 3 times as efficient as
GLS, and twice as efficient as halogen - nowhere near the 5-6 ratio
claimed. Still a worthwhile saving, if you can put up with the shit
colour, but you need higher-wattage CFLs than 'they' would have you believe.


-- 
Richard Lamont                        http://www.lamont.me.uk/

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"Richard Lamont"  wrote in message 
news:478926c1$0$516$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> So, I reckon as a rule of thumb CFLs are about 3 times as efficient as
> GLS, and twice as efficient as halogen - nowhere near the 5-6 ratio
> claimed. Still a worthwhile saving, if you can put up with the shit
> colour, but you need higher-wattage CFLs than 'they' would have you 
> believe.

That's all very interesting. When I built my last motorhome I was concerned 
about electricity consumption, but I didn't want light of an unpleasant 
character. So I tested various luminaires (is that the word?). I simply 
measured the current consumption and the light output. The latter was 
measured using a Weston meter and the meter in my camera, which were in 
surprising agreement -- within a fraction of a stop. The meters were looking 
at a white paper, so the tests were incident light. The conclusion was that 
12V halogens were as efficient as 12V fluorescents, and the colour was far 
far better. I think that this was partly because the halogents are more 
directional. There's no way to prevent a fluorescent tube wasting light by 
sending it in the wrong direction, as far as I can see, without large and 
cumbersome reflectors.

Bill

> >Bring back the Trade Test films, I say. I always liked that one about
> >plastics.
>
> That would have been "Prospect for Plastics", I think!   I seem to
> recall a John Betjamin one about the National Trust, too.
>

And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
it?)
And all that lovely music.
I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
up.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:26:08 -0000, Ivor Jones wrote:

> I've given up trying to get them to turn off the computers overnight at 
> our place. 

There is such a thing as "Wake On LAN", couldn't there be a "Switch off on 
LAN" as well? Central server sends out a "switch off" signal every hour or 
so. If the PC hasn't got a user logged in it shuts down straight away. If 
there is user loged it it waits say 15 minutes after the signal to check 
for activity, with no activity it logs the user off and shutsdown. This 
would automagically put the mointor into standby as well.

For machines that need to remain on, the central server wouldn't send them 
the switch off signal.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:11:43 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote:

>> Even the waste from coal has killed more people in the UK that the 
>> waste from the nuclear industry.
> 
> It's all about perception though, isn't it? 

Aberfan.

I was six, I remember it.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jukgm67.pminews@srv1.howhill.net 
: : On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:26:08 -0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
: : 
: : : I've given up trying to get them to turn off the
: : : computers overnight at our place.
: : 
: : There is such a thing as "Wake On LAN", couldn't there
: : be a "Switch off on LAN" as well? Central server sends
: : out a "switch off" signal every hour or so. If the PC
: : hasn't got a user logged in it shuts down straight
: : away. If there is user loged it it waits say 15 minutes
: : after the signal to check for activity, with no
: : activity it logs the user off and shutsdown. This would
: : automagically put the mointor into standby as well.  
: : 
: : For machines that need to remain on, the central server
: : wouldn't send them the switch off signal.

That still doesn't explain why the twits don't switch the monitors off..!

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5ut43jF1jp5hhU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jukgm67.pminews@srv1.howhill.net : : On Sat, 12 
> Jan 2008 19:26:08 -0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
> : : : : : I've given up trying to get them to turn off the
> : : : computers overnight at our place.
> : : : : There is such a thing as "Wake On LAN", couldn't there
> : : be a "Switch off on LAN" as well? Central server sends
> : : out a "switch off" signal every hour or so. If the PC
> : : hasn't got a user logged in it shuts down straight
> : : away. If there is user loged it it waits say 15 minutes
> : : after the signal to check for activity, with no
> : : activity it logs the user off and shutsdown. This would
> : : automagically put the mointor into standby as well.  : : : : For 
> machines that need to remain on, the central server
> : : wouldn't send them the switch off signal.
>
> That still doesn't explain why the twits don't switch the monitors off..!
>
> Ivor


If Windows, just use power settings to turn monitor off
after a long delay, say an hour. They will probably never
notice it during working hours, and they have probably
set a fancy screen-burner pattern to come on more
frequently.
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

"Brian"  wrote in message 
news:bea267d6-1707-4524-9a3f-e4dc571b6cf6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
it?)
And all that lovely music.
I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
up.
I knew 'Journey through the Weald of Kent' narrated by Wynford Vaughn Thomas 
by heart.

Bill

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jukg6x6.pminews@srv1.howhill.net...
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:11:43 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote:
>
>>> Even the waste from coal has killed more people in the UK that the
>>> waste from the nuclear industry.
>>
>> It's all about perception though, isn't it?
>
> Aberfan.
>
> I was six, I remember it.

I remember the outside broadcast by ITN, very dodgy RF path by the looks of 
it.

BTW there's a good firm called Aberfan Aerials.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
news:BI-dnaMhzLmS_hTanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Brian"  wrote in message 
> news:bea267d6-1707-4524-9a3f-e4dc571b6cf6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
> it?)
> And all that lovely music.
> I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
> up.
> I knew 'Journey through the Weald of Kent' narrated by Wynford Vaughn 
> Thomas by heart.

Switch off
Isolate
Dump
Earth
And think always.

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

Dave Liquorice wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:11:43 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote:
> 
> >> Even the waste from coal has killed more people in the UK that the
> >> waste from the nuclear industry.
> >
> > It's all about perception though, isn't it?
> 
> Aberfan.
> 
> I was six, I remember it.
> 
> --
> Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
> Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

Certainly Dave, and so do I, though just a little older than you and
it still shocks even now. I don't wish to belittle those who have died
due to either power source.
-- 
Paul  (We won't die of devotion)  
-------------------------------------------------------   
Stop and Look 
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

On Jan 12, 7:18 pm, "Bill Wright" 
wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
>
> There's certainly a massive amount of energy wasted in industry. It staggers
> me when I enter some of these places. I've mentioned here before the huge
> office block that had greeny posters on the walls but had the PCs and the
> air cond fighting each other all weekend when the place was deserted.

Unfortunately this practice isn't confined to the one office block you
mention - it's almost standard practice across the country.
The IT technician morons will tell you that the PCs have to be left
running because "they need to receive software updates", ie. replacing
buggy software with newer buggy software, but in a business these
updates are usually deployed manually anyway and if the technicians
had clue they could use the PC's wake-on-lan feature, powering up all
the machines when updates were ready to deploy, and then have them
automatically shut down when they had completed.

It's also worth noting that many PCs use far more electricity than
they should.
My P4 box here uses 130watts even when the CPU is idle, while my
Celeron box uses just 32watts and other systems can use even less. The
Celeron is fine for "desktop" usage including web browsing.

> It makes the attempts of Joe Public to save energy look rather pathetic.

The government are still rather patronisingly telling people not to
leave their TV on standby and to make sure they switch lights off.
I haven't seen any criticism of the fact that nearly all TVs sold
today do not have a proper 'off' switch, and the fact that these
freeview boxes typically consume 5-10 watts even while in standby.
After analogue switch-off people will typically need 3 or 4 boxes, so
it adds up. And you can't unplug them because they too need software
updates, plus they'd take ages to boot up each time you wanted to
watch TV.

> If the government was really serious about energy use they would put VAT on
> gas and electricity at the full rate, and make it non-recoverable for
> industry. They won't though, because there would be a hooha.

I think they should force manufacturers to address the energy
efficiency issue. And they could penalise businesses for things like
the above-mentioned PCs-left-on-24/7 policy.

>
> Why do they allow Sky to keep showing that misleading claim on ch998 or 999
> or whatever it is saying that if everyone turned their Skybox to standby it
> would save as much electricity as Birminham uses?

Our main living room TV setup, consisting of a VCR, DVD player,
standard Sky box and LCD TV with integrated freeview, consumes a total
of 33 watts 24/7 while all of this equipment is in standby mode. If I
turn the Sky box on, the power consumption rises to... 34 watts. So
yes, I think it's a very misleading claim. :)

> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though.

Low energy bulbs are okay but they create more of a waste problem when
disposed of than normal bulbs do.
However, in the next few years LED-based bulbs will probably supersede
both. These have ultra low power consumption and last much longer.

> I would have thought a better idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist
> on (over-rideable) motion detectors in all lightswitches.

Maybe, but if each of these detectors consumed, say, 2 watts to
operate, times the number of lightswitches in a typical house, it soon
adds up.

Graham. wrote:
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:BI-dnaMhzLmS_hTanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>   
>> "Brian"  wrote in message 
>> news:bea267d6-1707-4524-9a3f-e4dc571b6cf6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
>> it?)
>> And all that lovely music.
>> I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
>> up.
>> I knew 'Journey through the Weald of Kent' narrated by Wynford Vaughn 
>> Thomas by heart.
>>     
>
> Switch off
> Isolate
> Dump
> Earth
> And think always.
>
>   
Yes, been there, done that for real.
Just like the film, one time the "dump" didn't work because a strap had 
been put on the wrong terminal.
Bloody great bang when I earthed it (just like the film) followed by me 
running at mach 2!
Was only 22kV from a 0.1uF capacitor though...
A

In article , Bill Wright wrote:
> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a better 
> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) motion 
> detectors in all lightswitches.

So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?

Rod.

In article , Bill Wright wrote:
> So I tested various luminaires (is that the word?). I simply 
> measured the current consumption and the light output. The latter was 
> measured using a Weston meter and the meter in my camera, which were in 
> surprising agreement -- within a fraction of a stop. The meters were looking 
> at a white paper, so the tests were incident light. The conclusion was that 
> 12V halogens were as efficient as 12V fluorescents, and the colour was far 
> far better.

Why is it that halogen light fittings are often too hot to touch, but if I put 
low energy lamps in them they run cool? Something must be being wasted there.

Rod.

"Andy Dee"  wrote in message 
news:fmcog8$pfr$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Graham. wrote:
>> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
>> news:BI-dnaMhzLmS_hTanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>>> "Brian"  wrote in message 
>>> news:bea267d6-1707-4524-9a3f-e4dc571b6cf6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
>>> it?)
>>> And all that lovely music.
>>> I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
>>> up.
>>> I knew 'Journey through the Weald of Kent' narrated by Wynford Vaughn 
>>> Thomas by heart.
>>>
>>
>> Switch off
>> Isolate
>> Dump
>> Earth
>> And think always.
>>
>>
> Yes, been there, done that for real.
> Just like the film, one time the "dump" didn't work because a strap had 
> been put on the wrong terminal.
> Bloody great bang when I earthed it (just like the film) followed by me 
> running at mach 2!
> Was only 22kV from a 0.1uF capacitor though...
> A

Yes, but had your supervisor gone to the dentist?
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

In article <fmcog8$pfr$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Andy Dee
 scribeth thus
>Graham. wrote:
>> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
>> news:BI-dnaMhzLmS_hTanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>   
>>> "Brian"  wrote in message 
>>> news:bea267d6-1707-4524-9a3f-e4dc571b6cf6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
>>> it?)
>>> And all that lovely music.
>>> I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
>>> up.
>>> I knew 'Journey through the Weald of Kent' narrated by Wynford Vaughn 
>>> Thomas by heart.
>>>     
>>
>> Switch off
>> Isolate
>> Dump
>> Earth
>> And think always.
>>
>>   
>Yes, been there, done that for real.
>Just like the film, one time the "dump" didn't work because a strap had 
>been put on the wrong terminal.
>Bloody great bang when I earthed it (just like the film) followed by me 
>running at mach 2!
>Was only 22kV from a 0.1uF capacitor though...
>A

Saw that happen for real when I worked at Pye Television transmitters
for real, some 8 mfd at 15 kV odd;!...
-- 
Tony Sayer

In article <fmd0ua$o22$2@registered.motzarella.org>, Graham.
 scribeth thus
>
>
>"Andy Dee"  wrote in message 
>news:fmcog8$pfr$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Graham. wrote:
>>> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
>>> news:BI-dnaMhzLmS_hTanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>>
>>>> "Brian"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:bea267d6-1707-4524-9a3f-e4dc571b6cf6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> And the one about Evoluon, and the old car (Bullnose Morris wasn't
>>>> it?)
>>>> And all that lovely music.
>>>> I spent what seemed like a lifetime playing that out when BBC2 started
>>>> up.
>>>> I knew 'Journey through the Weald of Kent' narrated by Wynford Vaughn 
>>>> Thomas by heart.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Switch off
>>> Isolate
>>> Dump
>>> Earth
>>> And think always.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, been there, done that for real.
>> Just like the film, one time the "dump" didn't work because a strap had 
>> been put on the wrong terminal.
>> Bloody great bang when I earthed it (just like the film) followed by me 
>> running at mach 2!
>> Was only 22kV from a 0.1uF capacitor though...
>> A
>
>Yes, but had your supervisor gone to the dentist?

Yes whatwashisname now?...
-- 
Tony Sayer

> Unfortunately this practice isn't confined to the one office block you
> mention - it's almost standard practice across the country.
> The IT technician morons will tell you that the PCs have to be left
> running because "they need to receive software updates", ie. replacing
> buggy software with newer buggy software, but in a business these
> updates are usually deployed manually anyway and if the technicians
> had clue they could use the PC's wake-on-lan feature, powering up all
> the machines when updates were ready to deploy, and then have them
> automatically shut down when they had completed.


No its the software developers who are the morons not us humble
IT technicians, they write the buggy updates anyway, and don't
get them tested properly. The servers I look after in the field are
on 24/7, its the only practical way nightly up/downloads can
occur and unattended backups made.
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
news:VA.0000026e.00fa3e9a@removethisbit.beeb.net...
> In article , Bill Wright 
> wrote:
>> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a 
>> better
>> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) 
>> motion
>> detectors in all lightswitches.
>
> So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?
>
> Rod.

No, [true experience] you get the only other person in the department
with you at the time to stand up and walk around every few minuets
so you are not plunged into total darkness while you set up
the computer.


-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

In article <fmd26g$u8i$2@registered.motzarella.org>, Graham.
 scribeth thus
>
>"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
>news:VA.0000026e.00fa3e9a@removethisbit.beeb.net...
>> In article , Bill Wright 
>> wrote:
>>> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a 
>>> better
>>> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) 
>>> motion
>>> detectors in all lightswitches.
>>
>> So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?
>>
>> Rod.
>
>No, [true experience] you get the only other person in the department
>with you at the time to stand up and walk around every few minuets

No waltz's then;)...

>so you are not plunged into total darkness while you set up
>the computer.
>
>

-- 
Tony Sayer

"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
news:VA.0000026e.00fa3e9a@removethisbit.beeb.net...
> In article , Bill Wright 
> wrote:
>> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a 
>> better
>> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) 
>> motion
>> detectors in all lightswitches.
>
> So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?

Only if you sat like a statue. Normal movement would be detected, like a 
passive IR outdoors.

Bill

"Graham."  wrote in message 
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>
> "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
> news:VA.0000026e.00fa3e9a@removethisbit.beeb.net...
>> In article , Bill Wright 
>> wrote:
>>> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a 
>>> better
>>> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable) 
>>> motion
>>> detectors in all lightswitches.
>>
>> So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?
>>
>> Rod.
>
> No, [true experience] you get the only other person in the department
> with you at the time to stand up and walk around every few minuets
> so you are not plunged into total darkness while you set up
> the computer.

These things need to be over-rideable. An extra click of the switch or 
whatever.

Bill

"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
news:VA.0000026f.00fa4139@removethisbit.beeb.net...
> In article , Bill Wright 
> wrote:
>> So I tested various luminaires (is that the word?). I simply
>> measured the current consumption and the light output. The latter was
>> measured using a Weston meter and the meter in my camera, which were in
>> surprising agreement -- within a fraction of a stop. The meters were 
>> looking
>> at a white paper, so the tests were incident light. The conclusion was 
>> that
>> 12V halogens were as efficient as 12V fluorescents, and the colour was 
>> far
>> far better.
>
> Why is it that halogen light fittings are often too hot to touch, but if I 
> put
> low energy lamps in them they run cool? Something must be being wasted 
> there.

Halogens obviously produce heat. I mean, the little bastards will easily 
burn your fingers.

Bill

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:57:20 -0000, Graham. wrote:

> No its the software developers who are the morons not us humble
> IT technicians, they write the buggy updates anyway, and don't
> get them tested properly. 

> The servers I look after in the field are on 24/7, its the only 
> practical way nightly up/downloads can occur and unattended backups 
> made.

Servers are one thing but workstations that are on peoples desks powered 
up on 24/7 (168hrs/week) when there is only going to be some one in front 
of it for 35hrs a week (9-5 five days/week hour off for lunch) is just 
plain stupid. 

The IT department should be doing it's job and making sure that PCs are 
not left running 24/7, either by education of the users or by sending 
regular "switch off" signals (if such a bit of server/client software 
exists). Maybe they could use the rather large (max 80% ish) reduction in 
the firms power bill as an incentive to get support from upper 
management... The same would apply to the office lighting.

-- 
Cheers                                              new5pam@howhill.com
Dave.                                             pam is missing e-mail

> The IT department should be doing it's job and making sure that PCs are
> not left running 24/7, either by education of the users or by sending
> regular "switch off" signals (if such a bit of server/client software
> exists).

Doesn't need any software in the case of Windows - a Scheduled Task to run 
at night, if the PC has been idle for a given period of time, that runs the 
shutdown command will do it.

"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message 
news:VA.0000026f.00fa4139@removethisbit.beeb.net...
> In article , Bill Wright 
> wrote:
>> So I tested various luminaires (is that the word?). I simply
>> measured the current consumption and the light output. The latter was
>> measured using a Weston meter and the meter in my camera, which were in
>> surprising agreement -- within a fraction of a stop. The meters were 
>> looking
>> at a white paper, so the tests were incident light. The conclusion was 
>> that
>> 12V halogens were as efficient as 12V fluorescents, and the colour was 
>> far
>> far better.
>
> Why is it that halogen light fittings are often too hot to touch, but if I 
> put
> low energy lamps in them they run cool? Something must be being wasted 
> there.

They may be doubling as efficient space heaters. It depends where they
are sited

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

"tony sayer"  wrote in message 
news:H3CCj$g63hiHFwFp@bancom.co.uk...
> In article <fmd26g$u8i$2@registered.motzarella.org>, Graham.
>  scribeth thus
>>
>>"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
>>news:VA.0000026e.00fa3e9a@removethisbit.beeb.net...
>>> In article , Bill Wright
>>> wrote:
>>>> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a
>>>> better
>>>> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable)
>>>> motion
>>>> detectors in all lightswitches.
>>>
>>> So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?
>>>
>>> Rod.
>>
>>No, [true experience] you get the only other person in the department
>>with you at the time to stand up and walk around every few minuets
>
> No waltz's then;)...
Minute Waltz, every few minuets as I said.

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

dB wrote:

> > The IT department should be doing it's job and making sure that PCs are
> > not left running 24/7, either by education of the users or by sending
> > regular "switch off" signals (if such a bit of server/client software
> > exists).
> 
> Doesn't need any software in the case of Windows - a Scheduled Task to
> run at night, if the PC has been idle for a given period of time, that
> runs the shutdown command will do it.


IIRC. Shutdown and standby functions have been part of Windows since
Microsoft introduced Windows 95, and I seem to recall it is possible
to set shutdown and standby as a permanent administrator function
as well in one of the server versions.

It also possible to set auto shutdown/standby in the bios of many PC's. 

Software updates including new versions of software can be done when
the computer boots, and pulls any files it requires to operate from
the server.

J

"Graham."  wrote in message 
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>
> "tony sayer"  wrote in message 
> news:H3CCj$g63hiHFwFp@bancom.co.uk...
>> In article <fmd26g$u8i$2@registered.motzarella.org>, Graham.
>>  scribeth thus
>>>
>>>"Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
>>>news:VA.0000026e.00fa3e9a@removethisbit.beeb.net...
>>>> In article , Bill Wright
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> These low energy bulbs are pretty crap though. I would have thought a
>>>>> better
>>>>> idea (or one to run alongside) would be to insist on (over-rideable)
>>>>> motion
>>>>> detectors in all lightswitches.
>>>>
>>>> So if you sit still for a while the lights go off?
>>>>
>>>> Rod.
>>>
>>>No, [true experience] you get the only other person in the department
>>>with you at the time to stand up and walk around every few minuets
>>
>> No waltz's then;)...
> Minute Waltz, every few minuets as I said.


Come to think of it she was dancing to Eine kleine Nachtmusik
and I was doing the Java Jive.
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

"Graham."  wrote in message
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: : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in
: : message news:5ut43jF1jp5hhU1@mid.individual.net...

[snip]

: : : That still doesn't explain why the twits don't switch
: : : the monitors off..!
: :
: : If Windows, just use power settings to turn monitor off
: : after a long delay, say an hour. They will probably
: : never notice it during working hours, and they have
: : probably set a fancy screen-burner pattern to come on
: : more frequently.

That's not an ideal solution since power is still being supplied to the 
monitor; I've seen CRT monitors literally catch fire in front of my eyes. 
Not sure if anything is in the flat screen types that could go up in 
smoke, but I'd rather not risk it.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5uuu0iF1k4lccU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Graham."  wrote in message
> news:fmbn7a$b28$1@registered.motzarella.org
> : : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in
> : : message news:5ut43jF1jp5hhU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> [snip]
>
> : : : That still doesn't explain why the twits don't switch
> : : : the monitors off..!
> : :
> : : If Windows, just use power settings to turn monitor off
> : : after a long delay, say an hour. They will probably
> : : never notice it during working hours, and they have
> : : probably set a fancy screen-burner pattern to come on
> : : more frequently.
>
> That's not an ideal solution since power is still being supplied to the 
> monitor; I've seen CRT monitors literally catch fire in front of my eyes. 
> Not sure if anything is in the flat screen types that could go up in 
> smoke, but I'd rather not risk it.

TFT screens tend not to have a mains switch anyway so they
are always in standby unless you unplug them.
I know what you mean about CRTs being left on, I was in
the TV trade throughout the 70s and 80s and saw a lot
of sets that had caught fire. I'm not too concerned with
them being in standby though, but nothing is 100% safe.

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:47:32 +0000 (GMT), charles
 wrote:

>In article
>,
>    wrote:
>> On Jan 12, 5:14 am, "Bill Wright" 
>> wrote:
>> > "Roderick Stewart"  wrote in message
>> >
>> > Everyone knows really that windmills and so forth can't possibly
>> > satisfy our energy needs. The argument therefore is between the greens
>> > who think we should manage with far less energy in the future and those
>> > who have realised that this would make it impossible to maintain our
>> > existing standard of living.
>
>> I disagree. A huge amount of electricity is wasted now.
>
>You've been reading too many 'green' papers.  'Wasted' electricity will end
>up as heat.  The heat is generally used instead of providing it from some
>other source.
>
>> Forcing manufacturers to make equipment which is more energy efficient
>> and which doesn't need to be left running 24/7, combined with a bit of
>> common sense on behalf of the people and businesses would save lots in
>> itself.
>
>Energy efficiency doesn't always achieve the wanted results.  Our washing
>machine is "highly water efficient".  This means it uses less water than
>was the norm.  The result is that it doesn't rinse properly, so a second
>