I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the 
Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose DF, 
Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace, 
the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF posted a 
fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will stay 
all day.

Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters of 
the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two of 
the letters, What is the third letter?

Cheers ears
Aid.

On 26 May, 18:34, "aid"  wrote:
> I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the
> Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
> DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose DF,
> Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace,
> the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF posted a
> fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will stay
> all day.
>
> Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
> Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters of
> the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two of
> the letters, What is the third letter?
>
> Cheers ears
> Aid.

Authorized
Benny
Commander
The Doctor
Erhaab
Felstead (1828)
Generous
High Rise
Isinglass (1893)
John Bull
Kris Kin
Lammtarra
Motivator
Nashwan
Oath
Psidium
Quest For fame
Roberto
Iroquois
Sir Percy
Teenoso
X
Volodyouski
Watling Street
X
Young Eclipse
X

Answer: U, correct Alan, you win a wet weekend in Morecambe!
Cheers ears
Aid


 wrote in message 
news:4b559ae2-0ba2-49aa-a522-311dce9ff98b@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 26 May, 18:34, "aid"  wrote:
>> I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the
>> Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
>> DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose 
>> DF,
>> Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace,
>> the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF 
>> posted a
>> fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will 
>> stay
>> all day.
>>
>> Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
>> Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters 
>> of
>> the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two 
>> of
>> the letters, What is the third letter?
>>
>> Cheers ears
>> Aid.
>
> Authorized
> Benny
> Commander
> The Doctor
> Erhaab
> Felstead (1828)
> Generous
> High Rise
> Isinglass (1893)
> John Bull
> Kris Kin
> Lammtarra
> Motivator
> Nashwan
> Oath
> Psidium
> Quest For fame
> Roberto
> Iroquois
> Sir Percy
> Teenoso
> X
> Volodyouski
> Watling Street
> X
> Young Eclipse
> X
>
>

On May 26, 6:34 pm, "aid"  wrote:
> I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the
> Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
> DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose DF> Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace,
> the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF posted a
> fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will stay> all day.
>
> Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
> Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters of
> the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two of
> the letters, What is the third letter?
>
> Cheers ears
> Aid.

I am actually a bit worried now - I thought I had all bases covered in
the Derby or at least most of them (some at huge odds) but after
watching 'Enry win at the weekend I am not so sure.
For starters he would be the classiest, proven GP1 performer in the
field unlike the majority of the runners. Secondly, with Sadler's
Wells on the dam side of the pedigree you always have a chance of
staying 12f and finally in the last 4 years 16% of the 116 Kingmambo's
to have raced over 12f have won over their races at that trip. That
doesn't sound a lot but it compares favourably to the 14% of Sadler's
Wells progeny who have managed the same, albeit from a larger sample
size of 465 during the same time frame.
He travels and settles so well in his races that I would not be at all
surprised if he won the Derby and that is b4 you even think about
Murtagh's and O'Brien's record in the race - to me it seems the
perfect fit. I can see him travelling well and then having the turn of
foot to get to the front...whether he can stay there depends a lot on
the early pace of the race I guess and whether he does indeed have the
stamina to withhold 'true stayers' in the final furlong like Dr,
Tartan, Taja etc.

I see what you mean with Kingmambo's progeny, El Condor Pasa has very 
similar profile to Henry even with the dam sire, & El Condor Pasa was a 
winner at middle distances, check the link.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/el+condor+pasa
Magnier is saying Henry was bred for Epsom.
He just seems able to quicken up so readily and has a brilliant turn of foot 
over a mile, he looks a out & out miler to me, even though I know he wasn't 
stopping in his victories. He reminds me something like the type of Zafonic.
I suppose I'd be foolish to wright him off, but I still can't side with him, 
Nashwans & Nijinsky's are rare as hen's teeth & 2000Gns (both English & 
Irish) winners record is a bad one in the last few decades, of those that 
lined up, Nashwan is the only horse to go on & win the Derby in the last 20 
years.
On the other hand, I suppose it's possible to argue we are due a Derby from 
a Guineas winner then :-)
Cheers ears
Aid.


"Dave McAuley"  wrote in message 
news:98ccac7b-5ce3-424a-bfe3-8130d1d2f036@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On May 26, 6:34 pm, "aid"  wrote:
> I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the
> Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
> DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose 
> DF,
> Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace,
> the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF posted 
> a
> fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will stay
> all day.
>
> Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
> Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters 
> of
> the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two 
> of
> the letters, What is the third letter?
>
> Cheers ears
> Aid.

I am actually a bit worried now - I thought I had all bases covered in
the Derby or at least most of them (some at huge odds) but after
watching 'Enry win at the weekend I am not so sure.
For starters he would be the classiest, proven GP1 performer in the
field unlike the majority of the runners. Secondly, with Sadler's
Wells on the dam side of the pedigree you always have a chance of
staying 12f and finally in the last 4 years 16% of the 116 Kingmambo's
to have raced over 12f have won over their races at that trip. That
doesn't sound a lot but it compares favourably to the 14% of Sadler's
Wells progeny who have managed the same, albeit from a larger sample
size of 465 during the same time frame.
He travels and settles so well in his races that I would not be at all
surprised if he won the Derby and that is b4 you even think about
Murtagh's and O'Brien's record in the race - to me it seems the
perfect fit. I can see him travelling well and then having the turn of
foot to get to the front...whether he can stay there depends a lot on
the early pace of the race I guess and whether he does indeed have the
stamina to withhold 'true stayers' in the final furlong like Dr,
Tartan, Taja etc.

Dave McAuley wrote:
> On May 26, 6:34 pm, "aid"  wrote:
> 
>>I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the
>>Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
>>DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose DF,
>>Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace,
>>the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF posted a
>>fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will stay
>>all day.
>>
>>Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
>>Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters of
>>the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two of
>>the letters, What is the third letter?
>>
>>Cheers ears
>>Aid.
> 
> 
> I am actually a bit worried now - I thought I had all bases covered in
> the Derby or at least most of them (some at huge odds) but after
> watching 'Enry win at the weekend I am not so sure.
> For starters he would be the classiest, proven GP1 performer in the
> field unlike the majority of the runners. Secondly, with Sadler's
> Wells on the dam side of the pedigree you always have a chance of
> staying 12f and finally in the last 4 years 16% of the 116 Kingmambo's
> to have raced over 12f have won over their races at that trip. That
> doesn't sound a lot but it compares favourably to the 14% of Sadler's
> Wells progeny who have managed the same, albeit from a larger sample
> size of 465 during the same time frame.
> He travels and settles so well in his races that I would not be at all
> surprised if he won the Derby and that is b4 you even think about
> Murtagh's and O'Brien's record in the race - to me it seems the
> perfect fit. I can see him travelling well and then having the turn of
> foot to get to the front...whether he can stay there depends a lot on
> the early pace of the race I guess and whether he does indeed have the
> stamina to withhold 'true stayers' in the final furlong like Dr,
> Tartan, Taja etc.

I could have written this myself ( but with a few spelling mistakes) 
because my thoughts on his last win were the same. It was that ease
of travel which impressed, then the effortless acceleration
and the almost unextended win. So, it was only 8, but unlike a few 
previous fancied guineas winners, can there be any doubt that he will 
get 10?  This conviction might swing it for me. 12 in The Derby has 
always involved plenty of guesswork at this time, but it is also true 
that plenty have won it although subsequently proving that 12F at top 
level was a bit too far. It seems that, in The Derby, a touch of extra 
class can be more important than the relative quality of 'staying', 
-which is no great surprise in a  race for mainly 3y old babies- and 
'enry certainly suggests he has that.

LC

Looks like McEvoy will ride DR FREEMANTLE an able substitute.
Stoute said of the horse "All being well, Doctor Fremantle will be 
supplemented on Monday. "He's beautifully balanced, medium-sized and will 
act and travel".
Thats four ticked boxes, he forgot to mention that he'll stay too, I get 
more confident about him everyday.
Cheers ears.
Aid.



"lescor"  wrote in message 
news:483D309E.6020603@btinternet.com...
> Dave McAuley wrote:
>> On May 26, 6:34 pm, "aid"  wrote:
>>
>>>I couldn't have Henrythenavigator, looks to have too much speed for the
>>>Derby, I don't think he'll stay.
>>>DR FREEMANTLE is my selection, I actually reckon Ryan Moore will choose 
>>>DF,
>>>Tartan Bearer's win in the Dante doesn't look that good to me, slow pace,
>>>the horse that finished with him is not highly rated by Murtagh. DF 
>>>posted a
>>>fast time & handled the track impressively, expect improvement & will 
>>>stay
>>>all day.
>>>
>>>Derby Teaser for the anoraks:
>>>Quest For Fame's win in '90' meant that there are now only three letters 
>>>of
>>>the alphabet that have not begun with a Derby winner's name, X, Z are two 
>>>of
>>>the letters, What is the third letter?
>>>
>>>Cheers ears
>>>Aid.
>>
>>
>> I am actually a bit worried now - I thought I had all bases covered in
>> the Derby or at least most of them (some at huge odds) but after
>> watching 'Enry win at the weekend I am not so sure.
>> For starters he would be the classiest, proven GP1 performer in the
>> field unlike the majority of the runners. Secondly, with Sadler's
>> Wells on the dam side of the pedigree you always have a chance of
>> staying 12f and finally in the last 4 years 16% of the 116 Kingmambo's
>> to have raced over 12f have won over their races at that trip. That
>> doesn't sound a lot but it compares favourably to the 14% of Sadler's
>> Wells progeny who have managed the same, albeit from a larger sample
>> size of 465 during the same time frame.
>> He travels and settles so well in his races that I would not be at all
>> surprised if he won the Derby and that is b4 you even think about
>> Murtagh's and O'Brien's record in the race - to me it seems the
>> perfect fit. I can see him travelling well and then having the turn of
>> foot to get to the front...whether he can stay there depends a lot on
>> the early pace of the race I guess and whether he does indeed have the
>> stamina to withhold 'true stayers' in the final furlong like Dr,
>> Tartan, Taja etc.
>
> I could have written this myself ( but with a few spelling mistakes) 
> because my thoughts on his last win were the same. It was that ease
> of travel which impressed, then the effortless acceleration
> and the almost unextended win. So, it was only 8, but unlike a few 
> previous fancied guineas winners, can there be any doubt that he will get 
> 10?  This conviction might swing it for me. 12 in The Derby has always 
> involved plenty of guesswork at this time, but it is also true that plenty 
> have won it although subsequently proving that 12F at top level was a bit 
> too far. It seems that, in The Derby, a touch of extra class can be more 
> important than the relative quality of 'staying', -which is no great 
> surprise in a  race for mainly 3y old babies- and 'enry certainly suggests 
> he has that.
>
> LC
>
>
>
>
>