aid wrote:
> Modern Look is not in the picture & has no entries.
> Natagora's 2L defeat by Myboycharlie is a credit to her as she stayed on
> again at the end, this form is as solid as it gets, check it out.
> Saturday's Fred Darling was not a good one by any standards, slow in time,
> the strength of this form has to be questioned for such a big field
> finishing so close up together, the 1000g winner will not be coming from 
> this race
> IMO.
> The prerequisite for Newmarket is a mix of SPEED and stamina, meaning they
> go like scolded cats.
> I think we've disagreed on more than a few points there Ilort, but you are
> certainly entitled to you opinion my friend.
> Cheers ears
> Aid.

I am not your friend.

Exactly re. Modern Look - not considered good enough to be entered in 
anything. The form is probably pants.

I have to disagree on the MyBC form - it's nowhere near good enough. 
Agreed, her Newmarket win puts her in the picture.

Regarding the 1000G, or Nmkt in general, I would say a stayer will 
always beat a speedster on that track.




> 
> "llort"  wrote in message news:fuhn1n$jf5$1@aioe.org...
>> aid wrote:
>>> For anyone that missed her run in France last Monday check the link, 
>>> there were some questions about getting the mile, looked to me like she's 
>>> got a lot in hand over 7f here, I'll sit pretty on my 14's I think.
>>> Cheers ears
>>> Aid.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJ0twdvvA8
>>
>> She had something in hand but Modern Look appeared to need the run and was 
>> staying on best. On pedigree the dam-side gives plenty of optimism that 
>> she'll stay, but I'm not convinced on her running style. Anyway, the way 
>> she was easily shot down by Myboycharlie in the Morny has to big a big 
>> worry.
>> I think you need a guaranteed stayer at Newmarket, and I liked the way 
>> Dunlop's horse won on saturday. Loads of improvement there and will be 
>> staying on when others are on empty.
>> Verdict: lay Natagora win and place. 
> 
>

I>Regarding the 1000G, or Nmkt in general, I would say a stayer will
> always beat a speedster on that track

Well Ilort, 'what you would say' is bollocks. That's why only TWO winners 
out of the last 10 running of the 1000g have actually gone on to win a 
(that's any!) race further than a mile, this surely contradicts your theory. 
What I said was 'A MIX of speed & stamina' you just have to get every yard 
of a mile (no more) at the speed of light. The trip was my original concern 
for Natagora.

> Exactly re. Modern Look - not considered good enough to be entered in 
> anything. The form is probably pants.

Is this the same horse that took a G3 as a 2yo whose family is: Zamindar - 
Prophecy (Ire), by Warning (GB) & owned by Khalid Abdullah that's not good 
enough to be entered into anything per chance??? Horses have setbacks for 
time to time, doesn't mean they are 'pants'.

> I have to disagree on the MyBC form - it's nowhere near good enough. 
> Agreed, her Newmarket win puts her in the picture.


Myboycharlie finished a couple of lengths behind New Approach & about 7L in 
front Famous Name, I think I've said quite enough to you now Ilort.

Cheers ears.
Aid.



"llort"  wrote in message news:fuj1rl$gh7$1@aioe.org...
> aid wrote:
>> Modern Look is not in the picture & has no entries.
>> Natagora's 2L defeat by Myboycharlie is a credit to her as she stayed on
>> again at the end, this form is as solid as it gets, check it out.
>> Saturday's Fred Darling was not a good one by any standards, slow in 
>> time,
>> the strength of this form has to be questioned for such a big field
>> finishing so close up together, the 1000g winner will not be coming from 
>> this race
>> IMO.
>> The prerequisite for Newmarket is a mix of SPEED and stamina, meaning 
>> they
>> go like scolded cats.
>> I think we've disagreed on more than a few points there Ilort, but you 
>> are
>> certainly entitled to you opinion my friend.
>> Cheers ears
>> Aid.
>
> I am not your friend.
>
> Exactly re. Modern Look - not considered good enough to be entered in 
> anything. The form is probably pants.
>
> I have to disagree on the MyBC form - it's nowhere near good enough. 
> Agreed, her Newmarket win puts her in the picture.
>
> Regarding the 1000G, or Nmkt in general, I would say a stayer will always 
> beat a speedster on that track.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> "llort"  wrote in message news:fuhn1n$jf5$1@aioe.org...
>>> aid wrote:
>>>> For anyone that missed her run in France last Monday check the link, 
>>>> there were some questions about getting the mile, looked to me like 
>>>> she's got a lot in hand over 7f here, I'll sit pretty on my 14's I 
>>>> think.
>>>> Cheers ears
>>>> Aid.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJ0twdvvA8
>>>
>>> She had something in hand but Modern Look appeared to need the run and 
>>> was staying on best. On pedigree the dam-side gives plenty of optimism 
>>> that she'll stay, but I'm not convinced on her running style. Anyway, 
>>> the way she was easily shot down by Myboycharlie in the Morny has to big 
>>> a big worry.
>>> I think you need a guaranteed stayer at Newmarket, and I liked the way 
>>> Dunlop's horse won on saturday. Loads of improvement there and will be 
>>> staying on when others are on empty.
>>> Verdict: lay Natagora win and place.
>>

aid wrote:
> I>Regarding the 1000G, or Nmkt in general, I would say a stayer will
>> always beat a speedster on that track
> 
> Well Ilort, 'what you would say' is bollocks. That's why only TWO winners 
> out of the last 10 running of the 1000g have actually gone on to win a 
> (that's any!) race further than a mile, this surely contradicts your theory. 


Probably because they were milers!

If you can't agree that Newmarket is a stiff, stayers track, then 
there's not a lot of hope for you, I'm afraid. The Guineas is littered 
with horses that were probable stayers before the race but reverted to 
sprinting afterwards. Natagora looks like one of them, IMO.

Llort

I'll tell you what, lets agree to disagree then.
Like I did say, you have to stay every yard of the mile, but you need speed 
to burn too, that's why I said a mix of speed & stamina, a fine balance.
Maybe you are right about Natagora staying, I've questioned it myself, even 
the jock questioned it, but, the indications are she will IMO, the trainer 
thinks he can go one better than the luckless Six Perfections, we'll find 
out on May 4.
Cheers ears
Aid.

"llort"  wrote in message news:ful70p$9tk$1@aioe.org...
> aid wrote:
>> I>Regarding the 1000G, or Nmkt in general, I would say a stayer will
>>> always beat a speedster on that track
>>
>> Well Ilort, 'what you would say' is bollocks. That's why only TWO winners 
>> out of the last 10 running of the 1000g have actually gone on to win a 
>> (that's any!) race further than a mile, this surely contradicts your 
>> theory.
>
>
> Probably because they were milers!
>
> If you can't agree that Newmarket is a stiff, stayers track, then there's 
> not a lot of hope for you, I'm afraid. The Guineas is littered with horses 
> that were probable stayers before the race but reverted to sprinting 
> afterwards. Natagora looks like one of them, IMO.
>
> Llort