Hi

Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
there an easy method to work out the scoring?

TIA

Dave

d@bt.com writes:

> Hi
> 
> Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
> there an easy method to work out the scoring?

'b' not 'p' -- Stableford

http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/ruleFrames/ruleFrame32.html

At each hole the player has the opportunity to earn points based
on his score for the hole and the 'fixed score.'

If the 'fixed score' for a given hole is 4 and the player scores
a 4 then he earns 2 points (if he makes a 5, he earns 1 point; a
3 he earns 3 points etc. -- see the table in Rule 32-1b).

-- 

       -- Firstname MI Lastname

d@bt.com in :

>Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
>there an easy method to work out the scoring?

First of all, it's called "Sta_b_leford", and after this adjustment you may
find the wikipedia explications:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stableford>

Apart (IIRC) from the sentence
|As 1 is the hardest and 18 is the easiest hole, shots are allocated in 
|order of difficulty.
it seems to be correct.

Please feel free to ask any question which may be left unsolved.

BTW: <http://my.opera.com/bydand/blog/show.dml/151565> seems to provide a
nice story about the origins of this counting method.

Ciao,

Paul

"Paul Schmitz-Josten"  wrote in message 
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> d@bt.com in :
>
>>Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
>>there an easy method to work out the scoring?
>
> First of all, it's called "Sta_b_leford", and after this adjustment you 
> may
> find the wikipedia explications:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stableford>
>
> Apart (IIRC) from the sentence
> |As 1 is the hardest and 18 is the easiest hole, shots are allocated in
> |order of difficulty.
> it seems to be correct.
>
> Please feel free to ask any question which may be left unsolved.
>
> BTW: <http://my.opera.com/bydand/blog/show.dml/151565> seems to provide a
> nice story about the origins of this counting method.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Paul

Paul,

I don't know what they do in Germany, but here in the UK, Stroke Indexes are 
not based primarily on hole difficulty although some clubs will have 
separate score cards for Stableford where they are.

The following guidance on the allocation of Stroke Indexes is included in 
Appendix G of the 2008 CONGU Unified Handicapping System and may interest 
you.
You will quickly work out that if all the recommendations are met, there is 
little room for manoeuvre:

"....To provide consistency at Affiliated Clubs it is recommended that the 
allocation is made as follows:
(a)  Of paramount importance for match play competition is the even spread 
of the strokes to be received at all handicap differences over the 18 holes.
(b) This is best achieved by allocating the odd numbered strokes to the more 
difficult of the two nines, usually the longer nine, and the even numbers to 
the other nine.
(c) The first and second stroke index holes should be placed close to the 
centre of each nine and the first six strokes should not be allocated to 
adjacent holes. The 7th to the 10th indexes should be allocated so that a 
player receiving 10 strokes does not receive strokes on three consecutive 
holes.
(d) None of the first eight strokes should be allocated to the first or the 
last hole, and at clubs where competitive matches may be started at the 10th 
hole, at the 9th or 10th holes. This avoids a player receiving an undue 
advantage on the 19th hole should a match continue to sudden death. Unless 
there are compelling reasons to the contrary, stroke indices 9, 10, 11 and 
12 should be allocated to holes 1, 9, 10 and 18 in such order as shall be 
considered appropriate.
(e)  Subject to the foregoing recommendations, when selecting each stroke 
index in turn holes of varying length should be selected. Index 1 could be a 
par 5, index 2 a long par 4, index 3 a shorter par 4 and index 4 a par 3. 
There is no recommended order for this selection, the objective being to 
select in index sequence holes of varying playing difficulty. Such a 
selection provides more equal opportunity for all handicaps in match play 
and Stableford and Par competitions than an order based upon hole length or 
difficulty to obtain par.
Note 1: Par is not an indicator of hole difficulty. Long par 3 and 4 holes 
are often selected for low index allocation in preference to par 5 holes on 
the basis that it is easier to score par on a par 5 hole than 4 on a long 
par 4. Long par 3 and 4 holes are difficult pars for low handicap players 
but often relatively easy bogeys for the player with a slightly higher 
handicap. Difficulty in relation to par is only one of several factors to be 
taken into account when selecting stroke indices.
Note 2: When allocating a stroke index it should be noted that in the 
majority of social matches there are small handicap differences thereby 
making the even distribution of the lower indices of great importance. 
......"

Regards,
Malcolm

Firstname MI Lastname wrote:
> d@bt.com writes:
> 
>> Hi
>>
>> Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
>> there an easy method to work out the scoring?
> 
> 'b' not 'p' -- Stableford
> 
> http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/ruleFrames/ruleFrame32.html
> 
> At each hole the player has the opportunity to earn points based
> on his score for the hole and the 'fixed score.'
> 
> If the 'fixed score' for a given hole is 4 and the player scores
> a 4 then he earns 2 points (if he makes a 5, he earns 1 point; a
> 3 he earns 3 points etc. -- see the table in Rule 32-1b).
> 


Another way of putting this is that the player should add his handicap 
strokes to the 'par' figure for the hole...this then becomes his 
personal 'par' target, which earns him two points if he makes it.

  For each stroke under (ie. better than) his target he adds a 
point...and for anything over his target he deducts a point....if that 
takes him to '0' before he has finished the hole he should pick up his 
ball. (It becomes 'BIP'...'ball in pocket'!).

  The player should mark the card with both the actual number of strokes 
taken and the points scored at each hole...although the 'points score' 
calculation is actually the responsibility of the Committee; I have yet 
to see a Committee actually do this!

cheers
david

david s-a  writes:

> Firstname MI Lastname wrote:
> > d@bt.com writes:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
> >> there an easy method to work out the scoring?
> > 'b' not 'p' -- Stableford
> > http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/ruleFrames/ruleFrame32.html
> > At each hole the player has the opportunity to earn points based
> > on his score for the hole and the 'fixed score.'
> > If the 'fixed score' for a given hole is 4 and the player scores
> > a 4 then he earns 2 points (if he makes a 5, he earns 1 point; a
> > 3 he earns 3 points etc. -- see the table in Rule 32-1b).
> >
> 
> 
> Another way of putting this is that the player should add his handicap
> strokes to the 'par' figure for the hole...this then becomes his
> personal 'par' target, which earns him two points if he makes it.
> 
>   For each stroke under (ie. better than) his target he adds a
> point...and for anything over his target he deducts a point....if that
> takes him to '0' before he has finished the hole he should pick up his
> ball. (It becomes 'BIP'...'ball in pocket'!).
> 
>   The player should mark the card with both the actual number of
> strokes taken and the points scored at each hole...although the
> 'points score' calculation is actually the responsibility of the
> Committee; I have yet to see a Committee actually do this!

I have found that the easiest way to ensure that the Committee
calculates my points is to NOT do so myself.

-- 

       -- Firstname MI Lastname

M L Wadsworth in :

>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stableford>
>>
>> Apart (IIRC) from the sentence
>> |As 1 is the hardest and 18 is the easiest hole, shots are allocated in
>> |order of difficulty.
>> it seems to be correct.
<snip>

>Paul,
>
>I don't know what they do in Germany, but here in the UK, Stroke Indexes are 
>not based primarily on hole difficulty although some clubs will have 
>separate score cards for Stableford where they are.
<snap>

I remembered this from earlier discussions. Since I cited the english
wikipedia entry, my remark should have pointed to the UK habits.
Did I fail to articulate this?

In Germany, OTOH, SIs do express the hole difficulties.

Ciao,

Paul

On 15 Aug, 21:04, d...@bt.com wrote:
> Hi
>
> Would someone care to explain Stapleford scoring for this newbie?  Is
> there an easy method to work out the scoring?
>
> TIA
>
> Dave

Dave

Use this link to find the answer from Johnty's site:-

http://www.ruleshistory.com/scoring.html

.....and without wishing to be pedantic you will find that the name of
the competition is spelt with a "B" i.e. Stableford!
Simple regular mistake :-)

JPW

A related question I think.
I shot 38 points in a Stableford comp at the weekend, but my hcap was
only cut by 0.4, rather than the 0.8 I was expecting.
Perhaps I've got a poor grasp of how handicaps are cut. Could it be to
do with how other players scored in the same comp?
I came third on countback. One other player shot 38, another got 39.

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT), Alastair said...
> A related question I think.
> I shot 38 points in a Stableford comp at the weekend, but my hcap was
> only cut by 0.4, rather than the 0.8 I was expecting.
> Perhaps I've got a poor grasp of how handicaps are cut. Could it be to
> do with how other players scored in the same comp?

Yes it could, but it is slightly more complicated.

Your points are calculated with respect to par, but your handicap is 
adjusted with respect to the Competion Scratch Score (CSS), which is 
calculated based on the performance of the low handicappers (cats 1 and 
2 IIRC), and has as its baseline the Standard Scratch Score (SSS) for 
your course. The SSS will be printed on the scorecard, and may be 
slightly less or slightly more than par, depending on how hard your 
course is. It may also vary depending on the tees used.

If most players score badly, CSS will go up to indicate that it was 
harder than usual that day, and anyone who does well will be cut a bit 
more.

In this case, it sounds like the CSS on the day was 1 less than par.

-- 
Mark Myers
usenet at mcm2007 dot plus dot com
I call that a radical interpretation of the text.