In a booklet targeted at beginning golf players, issued by our Regional 
Golf Federation, the following is mentioned with regards to the Honour 
after the first tee:

"The player with the lowest GROSS score on the previous hole has the 
Honour. In the event of a tie, the Honour goes to the player with the 
highest number of Stableford points".


It seems to me that with this statement a mix is being made of Decision 
10-2a/1: "Determination of Honour in Handicap Stroke Play" which says 
that the Honour goes to the player with the lowest gross score and R32-1 
which states: ... In handicap bogey, par and Stableford competitions, the 
competitor with the lowest net score at a hole takes the Honour at the 
next teeing ground...

Taking into account that the vast majority of rounds being played over 
here are handicap Stableford (which the statement seems to imply as 
well), I wonder if the statement in the booklet is correct.

20feetputt wrote:
> In a booklet targeted at beginning golf players, issued by our Regional 
> Golf Federation, the following is mentioned with regards to the Honour 
> after the first tee:
> 
> "The player with the lowest GROSS score on the previous hole has the 
> Honour. In the event of a tie, the Honour goes to the player with the 
> highest number of Stableford points".
> 
> 
> It seems to me that with this statement a mix is being made of Decision 
> 10-2a/1: "Determination of Honour in Handicap Stroke Play" which says 
> that the Honour goes to the player with the lowest gross score and R32-1 
> which states: ... In handicap bogey, par and Stableford competitions, the 
> competitor with the lowest net score at a hole takes the Honour at the 
> next teeing ground...
> 
> Taking into account that the vast majority of rounds being played over 
> here are handicap Stableford (which the statement seems to imply as 
> well), I wonder if the statement in the booklet is correct.


Well...the Rules don't state that but, logically, in the event of a tie 
in terms of net score, the player with the highest number of Stableford 
points will have 'earned' the honour because of his handicap. If there 
is still a tie then the status between the tied players after the hole 
prior to the previous hole should prevail.

...ummmmm.

  I think so :-)

cheers
david

"david s-a"  wrote in message 
news:6g9af0FepovoU1@mid.individual.net...
> 20feetputt wrote:
>> In a booklet targeted at beginning golf players, issued by our Regional 
>> Golf Federation, the following is mentioned with regards to the Honour 
>> after the first tee:
>>
>> "The player with the lowest GROSS score on the previous hole has the 
>> Honour. In the event of a tie, the Honour goes to the player with the 
>> highest number of Stableford points".
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that with this statement a mix is being made of Decision 
>> 10-2a/1: "Determination of Honour in Handicap Stroke Play" which says 
>> that the Honour goes to the player with the lowest gross score and R32-1 
>> which states: ... In handicap bogey, par and Stableford competitions, the 
>> competitor with the lowest net score at a hole takes the Honour at the 
>> next teeing ground...
>>
>> Taking into account that the vast majority of rounds being played over 
>> here are handicap Stableford (which the statement seems to imply as 
>> well), I wonder if the statement in the booklet is correct.
>
>
> Well...the Rules don't state that but, logically, in the event of a tie in 
> terms of net score, the player with the highest number of Stableford 
> points will have 'earned' the honour because of his handicap. If there is 
> still a tie then the status between the tied players after the hole prior 
> to the previous hole should prevail.
>
> ...ummmmm.
>
>  I think so :-)
>
> cheers
> david

David,
Surely, if two players have the same nett score at a hole, then they must 
have the same Stableford points?

Until this year, the ruling has been in Decision 32-1/3 which said much the 
same thing as the Regional Golf Federation's book referred to.
That Decision has now been incorporated into Rule 32-1 so:
In stroke play (Medal play), the honour is determined by the lowest gross at 
the previous hole (10-2b).
In Stableford, the honour is determined by the lowest net score (i.e. 
highest number of points) at the previous hole (32-1).
In either case, if two or more players have the same gross (or net) scores, 
they play in the same order as the previous hole.

Regards,
Malcolm

M L Wadsworth wrote:

> 
> David,
> Surely, if two players have the same nett score at a hole, then they must 
> have the same Stableford points?
> 


Malcolm,

Of course you are right.......I got myself a bit muddled there! I was 
thrown by the 'lowest net score' being referred to as the 'highest 
Stableford score' whereas I would always think of it in terms of 'net 
number of strokes'! I had to think that one through...I should have done 
that before I opened my big mouth!

:-)

cheers
david

20feetputt in <kQInk.147040$IP7.9073@newsfe16.ams2>:

>In a booklet targeted at beginning golf players, issued by our Regional 
>Golf Federation, the following is mentioned with regards to the Honour 
>after the first tee:
>
>"The player with the lowest GROSS score on the previous hole has the 
>Honour. In the event of a tie, the Honour goes to the player with the 
>highest number of Stableford points".
>
>
>It seems to me that with this statement a mix is being made of Decision 
>10-2a/1: "Determination of Honour in Handicap Stroke Play" which says 
>that the Honour goes to the player with the lowest gross score and R32-1 
>which states: ... In handicap bogey, par and Stableford competitions, the 
>competitor with the lowest net score at a hole takes the Honour at the 
>next teeing ground...

I recently learned in this group
(<news:bazk5fwrzc5.fsf@alpha.luckytrout.com>) that the "net honor" has been
introduced to the rules only in the latest edition. Your booklet may
reflect the edition before. At this time, the change was only mentioned in
a decision.

>Taking into account that the vast majority of rounds being played over 
>here are handicap Stableford (which the statement seems to imply as 
>well), I wonder if the statement in the booklet is correct.

I'd suspect that it is only outdated or didn't include the decision.

---

I am still waiting for someone to claim the honour according to the new
rules edition - until now all fellow competitors have been happy to accept
gross scores "as usual". This includes me, since I don't want to bother
with individual strokes of each hole, net scores and Stableford points of
all fellow competitors at each tee!

Ciao,

Paul

david s-a in :

>Well...the Rules don't state that but, logically, in the event of a tie 
>in terms of net score, the player with the highest number of Stableford 
>points will have 'earned' the honour because of his handicap. 

Isn't the net score the basis for net Stableford point calculation?
In this case, IMNSHO, net score and Stableford points would move in
parallel and they couldn't be different measures to find the teeing
sequence.

>If there 
>is still a tie then the status between the tied players after the hole 
>prior to the previous hole should prevail.
>
>...ummmmm.
>
>  I think so :-)

Ciao, 

Paul

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:39:29 +0200, Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:


> ---
> 
> I am still waiting for someone to claim the honour according to the new
> rules edition - until now all fellow competitors have been happy to
> accept gross scores "as usual". This includes me, since I don't want to
> bother with individual strokes of each hole, net scores and Stableford
> points of all fellow competitors at each tee!
> 

 Actually, I have been asked to write the 'General Rules of Competition' 
of our club and I also have mixed feelings about this new rule as indeed 
it seems rather cumbersome in practice compared to the "usual" 
procedure...

"20feetputt" <someone@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message 
news:ZC0ok.51404$Gh7.17396@newsfe15.ams2...
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:39:29 +0200, Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
>
>
>> ---
>>
>> I am still waiting for someone to claim the honour according to the new
>> rules edition - until now all fellow competitors have been happy to
>> accept gross scores "as usual". This includes me, since I don't want to
>> bother with individual strokes of each hole, net scores and Stableford
>> points of all fellow competitors at each tee!
>>
>
> Actually, I have been asked to write the 'General Rules of Competition'
> of our club and I also have mixed feelings about this new rule as indeed
> it seems rather cumbersome in practice compared to the "usual"
> procedure...
>
>
In writing the Conditions of Competition, it would not be appropriate to 
attempt to paraphrase within them, conditions which are already part of the 
Rules of Golf.

Malcolm