Seems like he doesn't buy into the hype.

Mind you, it was after lunch.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/26/sgmair226.xml

"Stratman"  wrote in message news:4_2dnX619NciA6fVnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@plusnet...
  Seems like he doesn't buy into the hype.

  Mind you, it was after lunch.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/26/sgmair226.xml


  Its not often I stick up for Peter Alliss but I found his comments quite reasonable.  His remarks were made in the context of the players having complained because they had not been told a particular green or greens had been watered.

  Peter was berating the modern day pro who expects the whole course to be carefully manicured so that he never gets mud on his ball nor has to play it off the fairway with a blade of grass behind it (my words not his).

  Peter had a distiguished playing career and probably knows far more about the game than most - except when it comes to the Rules :-)
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/biographies/biogs/sport/peteralliss.shtml
  He is a great believer in "Play your ball as it lies; Play the course as you find it  And if you can't do either, do what is fair"
  In fact one would have thought Peter might have written those words had it not been for the fact that they go on to say: "But to do what is fair, you need to know the Rules of Golf." 

  No prizes for knowing where you can read those words, but does anyone know who wrote them and if they originally appeared somewhere else first?

  On the Rules we had from Peter Alliss, after a player played from a bunker and caught the lip: "had the ball come back and hit him that would have been a stroke or two."
  and when Paul McGinlay was seeking advice from a Rules Official as to how to take his stance in a bush:  "If you bend a branch that's a penalty."

  Malcolm

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Seems like he doesn't buy into the hype.




Mind you, it was after lunch.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/26/sgmair226.xml





Its not often I stick up for Peter Alliss but I found his comments quite 
reasonable.  His remarks were made in the context of the players having 
complained because they had not been told a particular green or greens had 
been watered.

Peter was berating the modern day pro who expects the whole course to be 
carefully manicured so that he never gets mud on his ball nor has to play it 
off the fairway with a blade of grass behind it (my words not his).

Peter had a distiguished playing career and probably knows far more about 
the game than most - except when it comes to the Rules :-)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/biographies/biogs/sport/peteralliss.shtml
He is a great believer in "Play your ball as it lies; Play the course as you 
find it  And if you can't do either, do what is fair"
In fact one would have thought Peter might have written those words had it 
not been for the fact that they go on to say: "But to do what is fair, you 
need to know the Rules of Golf."

No prizes for knowing where you can read those words, but does anyone know 
who wrote them and if they originally appeared somewhere else first?

On the Rules we had from Peter Alliss, after a player played from a bunker 
and caught the lip: "had the ball come back and hit him that would have been 
a stroke or two."
and when Paul McGinlay was seeking advice from a Rules Official as to how to 
take his stance in a bush:  "If you bend a branch that's a penalty."

Malcolm

M L Wadsworth wrote:
> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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> 
> "Stratman"  wrote in message 
> news:4_2dnX619NciA6fVnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@plusnet...
> Seems like he doesn't buy into the hype.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mind you, it was after lunch.
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/26/sgmair226.xml
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Its not often I stick up for Peter Alliss but I found his comments quite 
> reasonable.  His remarks were made in the context of the players having 
> complained because they had not been told a particular green or greens had 
> been watered.
> 
> Peter was berating the modern day pro who expects the whole course to be 
> carefully manicured so that he never gets mud on his ball nor has to play it 
> off the fairway with a blade of grass behind it (my words not his).
> 
> Peter had a distiguished playing career and probably knows far more about 
> the game than most - except when it comes to the Rules :-)
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/biographies/biogs/sport/peteralliss.shtml
> He is a great believer in "Play your ball as it lies; Play the course as you 
> find it  And if you can't do either, do what is fair"
> In fact one would have thought Peter might have written those words had it 
> not been for the fact that they go on to say: "But to do what is fair, you 
> need to know the Rules of Golf."
> 
> No prizes for knowing where you can read those words, but does anyone know 
> who wrote them and if they originally appeared somewhere else first?
> 
> On the Rules we had from Peter Alliss, after a player played from a bunker 
> and caught the lip: "had the ball come back and hit him that would have been 
> a stroke or two."
> and when Paul McGinlay was seeking advice from a Rules Official as to how to 
> take his stance in a bush:  "If you bend a branch that's a penalty."
> 
> Malcolm 
> 
> 

I was reminded, when I was spectating the last time The Open 
Championship was at Birkdale, I spent some time following Howard Clark 
and Paul McGinlay at West Lancs GC, during final qualifying.

The rain was started falling over central Wales and was landing over the 
course and those two golfers showed amazing skill and improvisation 
during the harsh, blustery conditions. Some of the time they played a 
sort of 'sideways' golf aiming a good 40º off line, keeping the ball low 
and making innovative use of the terrain and still coming off with what 
I thought were near impossible pars. Absolutely brilliant to watch at 
the time, very inspirational. They both qualified for the Open whereas 
much of the rest of the participants struggled just to finish on the 
exposed course.

It must be said though they were playing on a links style course which 
gives at least some predictability whilst a tree lined course like 
Wentworth suffers from turbulence and buffeting from the surrounding 
trees sometimes offering shelter and sometimes creating a tunneling 
effect - very difficult to judge what is going to happen next. How often 
have you experienced feeing the wind directly in your face on the tee 
but to see the flag showing it coming off back right, what to do? You 
don't get that on a links course with a hickory stick in your hand.

I think, as usual in recent times, Peter Allis took the easy way out and 
pandered to our prejudices about the good ol'e days, improved equipment, 
not like it used to be sort of nonsense that just keeps golf being 
perceived in a fuddy duddy past time by the general public.

He didn't, in my opinion, make any attempt to help explain how tricky 
the conditions were, he just plugged safely into being critical and his 
back lash on the young golfer that criticised him (Dougherty?) was 
definitely less than helpful to one of our Ryder Cup hopefuls. His 
pearls of wisdom are now far jaded and commentary didn't help a bit, 
offered nothing new and encouraged nobody else to take up the challenge 
of the wonderful game.

Time he was on his way!
-- 
Durram

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>M L Wadsworth wrote:
>> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>>
>> "Stratman"  wrote in message 
>> news:4_2dnX619NciA6fVnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@plusnet...
>> Seems like he doesn't buy into the hype.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mind you, it was after lunch.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/26/sgmair226.xml
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Its not often I stick up for Peter Alliss but I found his comments quite 
>> reasonable.  His remarks were made in the context of the players having 
>> complained because they had not been told a particular green or greens 
>> had been watered.
>>
>> Peter was berating the modern day pro who expects the whole course to be 
>> carefully manicured so that he never gets mud on his ball nor has to play 
>> it off the fairway with a blade of grass behind it (my words not his).
>>
>> Peter had a distiguished playing career and probably knows far more about 
>> the game than most - except when it comes to the Rules :-)
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/biographies/biogs/sport/peteralliss.shtml
>> He is a great believer in "Play your ball as it lies; Play the course as 
>> you find it  And if you can't do either, do what is fair"
>> In fact one would have thought Peter might have written those words had 
>> it not been for the fact that they go on to say: "But to do what is fair, 
>> you need to know the Rules of Golf."
>>
>> No prizes for knowing where you can read those words, but does anyone 
>> know who wrote them and if they originally appeared somewhere else first?
>>
>> On the Rules we had from Peter Alliss, after a player played from a 
>> bunker and caught the lip: "had the ball come back and hit him that would 
>> have been a stroke or two."
>> and when Paul McGinlay was seeking advice from a Rules Official as to how 
>> to take his stance in a bush:  "If you bend a branch that's a penalty."
>>
>> Malcolm
>
> I was reminded, when I was spectating the last time The Open Championship 
> was at Birkdale, I spent some time following Howard Clark and Paul 
> McGinlay at West Lancs GC, during final qualifying.
>
> The rain was started falling over central Wales and was landing over the 
> course and those two golfers showed amazing skill and improvisation during 
> the harsh, blustery conditions. Some of the time they played a sort of 
> 'sideways' golf aiming a good 40º off line, keeping the ball low and 
> making innovative use of the terrain and still coming off with what I 
> thought were near impossible pars. Absolutely brilliant to watch at the 
> time, very inspirational. They both qualified for the Open whereas much of 
> the rest of the participants struggled just to finish on the exposed 
> course.
>
> It must be said though they were playing on a links style course which 
> gives at least some predictability whilst a tree lined course like 
> Wentworth suffers from turbulence and buffeting from the surrounding trees 
> sometimes offering shelter and sometimes creating a tunneling effect - 
> very difficult to judge what is going to happen next. How often have you 
> experienced feeing the wind directly in your face on the tee but to see 
> the flag showing it coming off back right, what to do? You don't get that 
> on a links course with a hickory stick in your hand.
>
> I think, as usual in recent times, Peter Allis took the easy way out and 
> pandered to our prejudices about the good ol'e days, improved equipment, 
> not like it used to be sort of nonsense that just keeps golf being 
> perceived in a fuddy duddy past time by the general public.
>
> He didn't, in my opinion, make any attempt to help explain how tricky the 
> conditions were, he just plugged safely into being critical and his back 
> lash on the young golfer that criticised him (Dougherty?) was definitely 
> less than helpful to one of our Ryder Cup hopefuls. His pearls of wisdom 
> are now far jaded and commentary didn't help a bit, offered nothing new 
> and encouraged nobody else to take up the challenge of the wonderful game.
>
> Time he was on his way!
> -- 
> Durram

I agree with much of what you say.
It is time Peter Alliss retired. Twenty years ago he knew those playing and 
had stories to tell.
Now he has few personal experiences to share with regard to the current 
generation.

Perhaps it is time he was replaced by Colin Montgomerie: he would be well 
capable of filling all that empty space on the final day of the World Match 
Play and its time he gives up playing before he becomes recognised as a 
has-been.

I would probably add Nick Faldo to the team for technical commentary on how 
the various shots will/should be played - something we miss these days.

The third player should be someone with a good knowledge of club golf - 
possibly an amateur like David Lane or Roy Smethurst

And finally a Rules expert on hand of which there are may to choose from who 
would be more animated (but not necessarily more knowledgable) than Ian 
Patterson.

Malcolm