Does anyone have info on the scoring changes to handicaps (in society 
situations). ie: how many shots should the 1st placed golfer lose?

Are there other changes for 2nd/3rd etc. Also can the back markers get 
shots back?

Cheers


Chris B

On 24 May, 07:37, Chris  wrote:
> Does anyone have info on the scoring changes to handicaps (in society
> situations). ie: how many shots should the 1st placed golfer lose?
>
> Are there other changes for 2nd/3rd etc. Also can the back markers get
> shots back?
>

 There are  none, Chris.

All that is required is a reasonable amount of common sense on the
part of the organiser. Take a rough guide from the CONGU booklet and
keep a record of past society events and scores. Then apply them.

JPW

"Chris"  wrote in message 
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> Does anyone have info on the scoring changes to handicaps (in society 
> situations). ie: how many shots should the 1st placed golfer lose?
>
> Are there other changes for 2nd/3rd etc. Also can the back markers get 
> shots back?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Chris B

Chris,

CONGU handicaps only relate to those who are members of golf clubs 
affiliated to CONGU through their national golf union and the directions on 
handicap allowances relate only to competitions run by national unions, 
county unions, affilated golf clubs and certain other specific tournaments.

Societies can continue to do just what they like.

In the golfing society I belong, I believe:
We go down 1.0 if we win;
We go down 0.5 if we score >35 Stableford points
We go up 0.5 if we return <25 Stableford points.

In competitions, societies tend to keep it simple: full society handicap 
allowances for singlrs and four-ball; 1/2 aggregated handicaps for foursomes 
and greensomes.

HTH,

Malcolm

Chris in :

>Does anyone have info on the scoring changes to handicaps (in society 
>situations). ie: how many shots should the 1st placed golfer lose?
>
>Are there other changes for 2nd/3rd etc. Also can the back markers get 
>shots back?

I suppose that this totally depends on the society itself. You can agree on
any thinkable modification of the HCPs, you may even treat the games as
"qualifying", thus inofficially and only internally modifying each and
every HCP after each round. Of course this involves some calculation and
some bureaucratic effort. (1)

OTOH, there is (was?) an example of a working "rule" available:
This is the internal rule of the "Hickory Society" inside RND which they
use (used?) for their monthly internal competitions (BTW, the winner has
the honour to use the coveted "Hickory putter" at the next event).

|How does handicapping work?
|
|We use your club handicap adjusted if you were placed in the top three 
|overall at a previous event.  If you win, then your handicap is reduced by 
|3 points.  If you come second your handicap is reduced by 2 points, if you 
|come third, your handicap is reduced by 1 point.  The points are 
|cumulative, so if you came first at one event and at the next event come 
|second, your handicap will be reduced by 5 points.  Your handicap reverts 
|back to your club handicap when you fail to achieve a top 5 placing.

I once found this on <http://www.royalnorthdevongolfclub.co.uk/index.html>
and posted it here last December. Unfortunately, the "hickory society" part
of their homepage is no longer available.

Ciao,

Paul

(1) I do this for myself: With the help of my PDA, I record all scores, it
calculates the Stableford points and the resulting new handicap. Repeating
rounds on my slightly short home course become more interesting with two
strokes less...
Otherwise, with most of my scores below net par, I'd lose my modesty...

Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:

> |How does handicapping work?
> |
> |We use your club handicap adjusted if you were placed in the top three 
> |overall at a previous event.  If you win, then your handicap is reduced by 
> |3 points.  If you come second your handicap is reduced by 2 points, if you 
> |come third, your handicap is reduced by 1 point.  The points are 
> |cumulative, so if you came first at one event and at the next event come 
> |second, your handicap will be reduced by 5 points.
> 

Well done Paul. The Laird will obviously have to apply these universal 
truths in the next South v north adventure.

> 
> (1) I do this for myself: With the help of my PDA, I record all scores, it
> calculates the Stableford points and the resulting new handicap. Repeating
> rounds on my slightly short home course become more interesting with two
> strokes less...
> Otherwise, with most of my scores below net par, I'd lose my modesty...

Keep your modesty and delete all lines containing "below net par" (see 
previous comment) with whippets reading this group. ;)

Apart from that, keep the flag operating strictly and we'll see if we 
can get durram *too* drunk next year.

-- 
Benway

"Benway"  wrote in message 
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> Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
> Well done Paul. The Laird will obviously have to apply these universal 
> truths in the next South v north adventure.
>
>>
>
> -- 
> Benway

What a great idea!

Why have we not thought of that before in ten years.

North v South should be based on Society Handicaps, The North v South 
tournament being the Society's only event each year.

New players would use their club handicaps or be given a Society Handicap.

Every winner in a 4-ball match or a 2-ball Stableford match, goes down 1 
shot and every loser up one shot.
I am sure we still have between us the result of the last nine years and I 
look forward to playing next year off 30!

The South then might eventual beat the Northerners and their dodgy 
handicaps!

Regards,
Malcolm

The society I belong applies handicap adjustments in a way similar to club 
handicaps - but I stress the term *loosely*

I don't know the exact numbers involved, but the following should give a 
reasonable idea - and it isn't TOO difficult to calculate and maintain.

Each event is played as individual Stableford format off full society 
handicaps. The field is usually around the 24 mark.

At the conclusion of each event, the handicap organizer calculates what he 
terms the "CSS"[1] for the day. He calculates this by taking the top x 
scores (I think it's the top half but unsure of that figure) and calculates 
their average. This is known as the CSS for the day.

Any player scoring more than the day's CSS is cut a fraction of a number of 
shots for every point scored over the CSS. Anyone less than the CSS goes up 
a fraction of a point. Those fractions are themselves based on the players 
existing handicap (sort of like handicap categories). I don't know what 
fractions are used for all categories, but for my own society handicap of 
(currently) 19.6 I get cut 0.2 for every point I score more than CSS, or go 
back up a fixed maximum of 0.2 if I score lower than CSS. Exactly matching 
CSS means no change.

In addition to this, the winner gets cut (I think) 2 extra shots (I don't 
recall if this is related to "category" or across the board.

So, in a single day event where the top 50%(?) of players' scores average 
out at 32 points, if I were to win with 36 points, then I would get cut a 
total of 2.8 handicap points (4x0.2 plus 2.0). If I scored anything less 
than 32 points, my handicap would go up 0.2.

I can't vouch for the efficacy of this system, but from experience it seems 
to work well and has been in use by this particular society for many years.

Dave

[1] Please note that some of the terminology used is theirs and not mine - 
and in many cases bears little resemblance to the usual meanings of the 
words or terms - so don't come shouting to me that it's wrong! ;-)

> The society I belong applies handicap adjustments in a way similar to club 
> handicaps - but I stress the term *loosely*
>
> I don't know the exact numbers involved, but the following should give a 
> reasonable idea - and it isn't TOO difficult to calculate and maintain.
>
> Each event is played as individual Stableford format off full society 
> handicaps. The field is usually around the 24 mark.
>
> At the conclusion of each event, the handicap organizer calculates what he 
> terms the "CSS"[1] for the day. He calculates this by taking the top x 
> scores (I think it's the top half but unsure of that figure) and 
> calculates their average. This is known as the CSS for the day.
>
> Any player scoring more than the day's CSS is cut a fraction of a number 
> of shots for every point scored over the CSS. Anyone less than the CSS 
> goes up a fraction of a point. Those fractions are themselves based on the 
> players existing handicap (sort of like handicap categories). I don't know 
> what fractions are used for all categories, but for my own society 
> handicap of (currently) 19.6 I get cut 0.2 for every point I score more 
> than CSS, or go back up a fixed maximum of 0.2 if I score lower than CSS. 
> Exactly matching CSS means no change.
>
> In addition to this, the winner gets cut (I think) 2 extra shots (I don't 
> recall if this is related to "category" or across the board.
>
> So, in a single day event where the top 50%(?) of players' scores average 
> out at 32 points, if I were to win with 36 points, then I would get cut a 
> total of 2.8 handicap points (4x0.2 plus 2.0). If I scored anything less 
> than 32 points, my handicap would go up 0.2.
>
> I can't vouch for the efficacy of this system, but from experience it 
> seems to work well and has been in use by this particular society for many 
> years.
>
> Dave
>
> [1] Please note that some of the terminology used is theirs and not mine - 
> and in many cases bears little resemblance to the usual meanings of the 
> words or terms - so don't come shouting to me that it's wrong! ;-)

Just to update my own post with some more accuracy on the missing details 
above.

The "CSS" is calculated from the top 1/3rd of the total scores only.
The "categories" are 14 and over or under 14 h/c
Players over 14 h/c are cut 0.4 shots for every point over the "CSS". Under 
14s are cut 0.2 per point over CSS
ALL players get a fixed maximum of 0.2 back for scores below CSS.

Hope this is useful

Dave

Benway in <nMadnVG4brQTRqTVRVnyjAA@posted.plusnet>:

>Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
>
>> |How does handicapping work?
>> |
>> |We use your club handicap adjusted if you were placed in the top three 
>> |overall at a previous event.  If you win, then your handicap is reduced by 
>> |3 points.  If you come second your handicap is reduced by 2 points, if you 
>> |come third, your handicap is reduced by 1 point.  The points are 
>> |cumulative, so if you came first at one event and at the next event come 
>> |second, your handicap will be reduced by 5 points.
>> 
>
>Well done Paul. 

Vielen Dank, Carl!

>The Laird will obviously have to apply these universal 
>truths in the next South v north adventure.

There's no question about that! 
I'm only afraid that those who have attended the bash from the beginning
get a reasonable advantage over the others because the HCP of the first
entry must be taken into account. :-(

(autonomous self-handicapping procedure snipped)
>Keep your modesty and delete all lines containing "below net par" (see 
>previous comment) with whippets reading this group. ;)

*done*

>Apart from that, keep the flag operating strictly and we'll see if we 
>can get durram *too* drunk next year.

Of course: Yesterday I was reminded to keep in practice in one-handed
stemming (1) in the half-a-liter (2) class - I'll have to obey ;->

Ciao,

Paul

(1) a technique of weight lifting
(2) common beer mug size in Bavaria

Dave Robinson wrote:
>> The society I belong applies handicap adjustments in a way similar to club 
>> handicaps - but I stress the term *loosely*
>>
>> I don't know the exact numbers involved, but the following should give a 
>> reasonable idea - and it isn't TOO difficult to calculate and maintain.
>>
>> Each event is played as individual Stableford format off full society 
>> handicaps. The field is usually around the 24 mark.
>>
>> At the conclusion of each event, the handicap organizer calculates what he 
>> terms the "CSS"[1] for the day. He calculates this by taking the top x 
>> scores (I think it's the top half but unsure of that figure) and 
>> calculates their average. This is known as the CSS for the day.
>>
>> Any player scoring more than the day's CSS is cut a fraction of a number 
>> of shots for every point scored over the CSS. Anyone less than the CSS 
>> goes up a fraction of a point. Those fractions are themselves based on the 
>> players existing handicap (sort of like handicap categories). I don't know 
>> what fractions are used for all categories, but for my own society 
>> handicap of (currently) 19.6 I get cut 0.2 for every point I score more 
>> than CSS, or go back up a fixed maximum of 0.2 if I score lower than CSS. 
>> Exactly matching CSS means no change.
>>
>> In addition to this, the winner gets cut (I think) 2 extra shots (I don't 
>> recall if this is related to "category" or across the board.
>>
>> So, in a single day event where the top 50%(?) of players' scores average 
>> out at 32 points, if I were to win with 36 points, then I would get cut a 
>> total of 2.8 handicap points (4x0.2 plus 2.0). If I scored anything less 
>> than 32 points, my handicap would go up 0.2.
>>
>> I can't vouch for the efficacy of this system, but from experience it 
>> seems to work well and has been in use by this particular society for many 
>> years.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> [1] Please note that some of the terminology used is theirs and not mine - 
>> and in many cases bears little resemblance to the usual meanings of the 
>> words or terms - so don't come shouting to me that it's wrong! ;-)
> 
> Just to update my own post with some more accuracy on the missing details 
> above.
> 
> The "CSS" is calculated from the top 1/3rd of the total scores only.
> The "categories" are 14 and over or under 14 h/c
> Players over 14 h/c are cut 0.4 shots for every point over the "CSS". Under 
> 14s are cut 0.2 per point over CSS
> ALL players get a fixed maximum of 0.2 back for scores below CSS.
> 
> Hope this is useful
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
Many thanks Dave (& a replies).

I have now the "ammo" to propose a sensible solution to the headache, of 
the same 2/3 players taking the pot, and an incentive for the 
back-markers to keep the numbers attending healthy.

Many thanks again.


Chris Booth

On the subject of society handicaps - there is a free software package 
available at www.golfscoremaster.co.uk which will keep track of all your 
members' cards & keep a running handicap.

It's been a long time since I posted here - I decided to jack the game in a 
couple of years ago as I was working long hours & couldn't justify the cost 
of being a member at a club & only playing two or three times a year. So 
over the last couple of years & I've grown fat & unfit - until now that is. 
Last month I dusted down the clubs & went out for a round with a couple of 
guys from work - amazingly I was only 19 over par on this first round back & 
yes I've got the bug again. I've so far managed to get a little group of 
eight regulars to come out after work once a week. I'm now looking at 
starting up a society at work, aiming for a society membership of around 40. 
Does anyone here have any experience of setting up a company golf society? 
What are the plus points? What are the minus points? What should I do 
regarding approaching the company for support?

Any advice will be much appreciated.

My god I caught myself thinking about coming a long to next year's north v 
South event just then.

Hello again to all of those that remember me.

Andy Moore

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:00:38 +0100, Andy Moore said...
> 
> Hello again to all of those that remember me.
> 

Hey Andy! Nice to hear from you.

-- 
Mark Myers
usenet at mcm2007 dot plus dot com
I call that a radical interpretation of the text.