Hi all.
I think the subject says it all really.
Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees 
normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full 
prize money if won.??
Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for 
example juniors must play with more experienced older members in 
competitions..
Regards
Steve
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Steve Bolam wrote:
> Hi all.
> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees 
> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full 
> prize money if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for 
> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in 
> competitions..
> Regards
> Steve

It's up to your Committee to make up the rules on entry to competitions.

At Wike GC (Leeds), entry to regular club competitions for juniors is 
free which is to allow them to take part in a competition for the main 
purpose of managing their handicap, obviously they can't then win the 
sweep. Any other golf club member could mark their card.

I think the age limit was 16+ for entry into the sweep but they may have 
changed it

They also arrange juniors only competitions where they have their own 
sweep and entry fee.

At Headingley GC (Leeds) juniors are also able to enter, paying a 
nominal sum for entry and are allowed to enter the 2's club but cannot 
win the sweep. They can however win the trophy and have their name on 
the boards etc if they win.

Basically, each club can have different rules. There may be guidelines 
to follow suggested by the great and the good at the EGU if you check on 
their website.

-- 
Durram

Steve Bolam wrote:

> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees 
> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full 
> prize money if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for 
> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in 
> competitions..

I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club 
*wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.

You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are 
they thinking?

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Colin Wilson
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> Steve Bolam wrote:
>
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
>> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the
>> full prize money if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
>> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
>> competitions..
>
> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club
> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>
> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth
> are they thinking?

They are thinking that juniors are a (barely) necessary evil who should not 
be allowed to disturb the slumber of nice old gentlemen in blazers and 
definitely should not be allowed to interfere with said gentlemens pleasure 
by cluttering up the course when the gentlemen are playing. As for entering 
the monthly medal, they should not even be allowed in the confines of the 
club when such an important event is taking place.
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Colin Wilson wrote:
> Steve Bolam wrote:
> 
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees 
>> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full 
>> prize money if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for 
>> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in 
>> competitions..
> 
> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club 
> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
> 
> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are 
> they thinking?
> 

I presume it's the same sort of clubs that still have other restrictive 
practices for instance on women golfers.

The OP plays at a relatively new proprietor owned course where the 
Committee may have conflicting ideas of what is the done thing. Such 
clubs often attract wide-eyed new golfers who are fairly open about 
these things and dress regs etc but they also attract disgruntled long 
standing casual golfers who have had bad experiences on some of the more 
notorious municipal courses. Not sure if that actually includes St 
Andrews or not but that is one of the worst when it comes to allowing 
any old chopper on ;-) Also, suspicion amongst themselves at this sort 
of new club is rife because they don't, by their very nature, have long 
standing members or family dynasties within the club to provide precedents.

On the junior side though I can sort of understand why there could be 
some restrictions. Unless handicaps are carefully monitored, especially 
during the summer months, many competitions can be grabbed by little 
urchins who do nothing else but practice all day and are all but pros 
when it comes to short game improvement during their school holidays. I 
for one am not too happy at supplementing their pocket money every week!

Let's be honest here, golf clubs are mainly for middle class men and 
women to come and do a bit of exercise, enjoy the spirit of competing 
amongst themselves and have a bit of social interaction afterwards in a 
comfortable and relatively safe environment. There is a place for 
juniors what with all the future of golf and all that stuff but they 
don't contribute any money and the 'present' and 'immediate future' of 
golf lies with those with disposable income between 21 and 65 who are 
supporting and paying for an increasingly aging population, and indeed 
junior golfers, who should be allowed some space to do so without the 
Politically Correct Police sticking their or in.

-- 
Durram

"Steve Bolam" <Steve.Bolam@Bolam.Org.Beefplease> wrote in message 
news:lHVghJBLQ1KIFweB@ntlworld.com...
> Hi all.
> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees normally 
> allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full prize money 
> if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for example 
> juniors must play with more experienced older members in competitions..
> Regards
> Steve

This is how we handle it at Lahinch for boys. I don't know what conditions 
the ladies put in place for the girl juniors. These conditions are readily 
accepted by both the juniors themselves and the membership as a whole.

COMPETITION ENTRY CONDITIONS FOR JUNIORS

COMPETITION                                             ELIGIBILITY

Captain's Prize                                               Any age. 
Handicap 9 or less. Must play on Friday. Playing for Junior's prize only.
President's Prize


Lady Captain's Prize                                      Any age. Handicap 
9 or less.  Playing for Junior's prize only.
to the Men
Lady President's Prize
to the Men

Bank Holiday Mondays                                  Any age. Handicap 9 or 
less. Eligible for all prizes.
Stephen's Day to New Year's Day
Club Championship
Club Handicap Championship

Arnott Cup Match Play                                  Any age. Handicap 18 
or less Eligible for all prizes
Bogberry Cup Match Play
Spring Match Play
All other Men's Cups

Hampers                                                          Only 
eligible for Junior's Hamper competition. All ages. All handicaps.

Latymon Four-ball Match Play                     Any age. Handicap 18 or 
less. Must have juniors as opponents.



Weekend Competitions including Medals   Any age. Handicap 18 or less.





John T

"John Turner"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Steve Bolam" <Steve.Bolam@Bolam.Org.Beefplease> wrote in message 
> news:lHVghJBLQ1KIFweB@ntlworld.com...
>> Hi all.
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees normally 
>> allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full prize money 
>> if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for 
>> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in 
>> competitions..
>> Regards
>> Steve
>
> This is how we handle it at Lahinch for boys. I don't know what conditions 
> the ladies put in place for the girl juniors. These conditions are readily 
> accepted by both the juniors themselves and the membership as a whole.
>
> COMPETITION ENTRY CONDITIONS FOR JUNIORS
>
> COMPETITION                                             ELIGIBILITY
>
> Captain's Prize                                               Any age. 
> Handicap 9 or less. Must play on Friday. Playing for Junior's prize only.
> President's Prize
>
>
> Lady Captain's Prize                                     Any age. Handicap 
> 9 or less.  Playing for Junior's prize only.
    to the Men
> Lady President's Prize
> to the Men
>
> Bank Holiday Mondays                                  Any age. Handicap 9 
> or less. Eligible for all prizes.
    Stephen's Day to New Year's Day
> Club Championship
> Club Handicap Championship
>
> Arnott Cup Match Play                                  Any age. Handicap 
> 18 or less Eligible for all prizes
    Bogberry Cup Match Play
> Spring Match Play
> All other Men's Cups
>
> Hampers                                                          Only 
> eligible for Junior's Hamper competition. All ages. All handicaps.
>
> Latymon Four-ball Match Play                     Any age. Handicap 18 or 
> less. Must have juniors as opponents.
>
> Weekend Competitions including Medals   Any age. Handicap 18 or less.
>
>
>
>
>
> John T
>
  That didn't work out too well, so I tried again. Hopefully you can 
probably understand it.

In article <g0fod9$po2$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Durram 
 writes
>Steve Bolam wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees 
>>normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full 
>>prize money if won.??
>> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for 
>>example juniors must play with more experienced older members in 
>>competitions..
>> Regards
>> Steve
>
>It's up to your Committee to make up the rules on entry to competitions.
>
>At Wike GC (Leeds), entry to regular club competitions for juniors is 
>free which is to allow them to take part in a competition for the main 
>purpose of managing their handicap, obviously they can't then win the 
>sweep. Any other golf club member could mark their card.
>
>I think the age limit was 16+ for entry into the sweep but they may 
>have changed it
>
>They also arrange juniors only competitions where they have their own 
>sweep and entry fee.
>
>At Headingley GC (Leeds) juniors are also able to enter, paying a 
>nominal sum for entry and are allowed to enter the 2's club but cannot 
>win the sweep. They can however win the trophy and have their name on 
>the boards etc if they win.
>
>Basically, each club can have different rules. There may be guidelines 
>to follow suggested by the great and the good at the EGU if you check 
>on their website.
>
Many thanks her to all that replied..
I think Durram's reply here points to a suitable result all round.
Shall I say there have been a couple of "issues" at our club and I feel 
rules akin to Wike (a stones throw away) may have prevented most of 
these.
Cheers

-- 
Steve Bolam   Harrogate.N Yorks.

"Colin Wilson"  wrote in message 
news:jLMWj.1165$IK1.568@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Steve Bolam wrote:
>
>> I think the subject says it all really.
>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees normally 
>> allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full prize money 
>> if won.??
snip
> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club 
> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>
> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are 
> they thinking?
>
> -- 
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson

Frightening, isn't it?  It is sad that people are so insecure and jealous 
that they can't bear to think of a junior beating them.  Then the powers 
that be in these clubs wonder why their membership is tailing off and as far 
as women's golf is concerned, the average age of in the UK is 60!  Add to 
this the insistance of most ladies committees (where few ladies are under 50 
at the best) insist on players wearing collars and sleeves and shirts tucked 
into trousers, not to mention measuring the length of shorts to ensure that 
they are of a 'decent' length.  What girl/young woman today wants to look 
like her grandmother out there!

-- 
Peace & Love
Janet H
(Tee off to reply)

> Colin Wilson wrote:
>> Steve Bolam wrote:
>>
>>> I think the subject says it all really.
>>> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees 
>>> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full 
>>> prize money if won.??
>> I'm sitting here scratching my head and wondering what sort of club 
>> *wouldn't* allow a junior to play in a monthly medal.
>>
>> You mean there are some clubs in the UK that *don't*? What on earth are 
>> they thinking?
Frightening, isn't it?  It is sad that people are so insecure and jealous
that they can't bear to think of a junior beating them.  Then the powers
that be in these clubs wonder why their membership is tailing off and as far
as women's golf is concerned, the average age of in the UK is 60!  Add to
this the insistance of most ladies committees (where few ladies are under 50
at the best) insist on players wearing collars and sleeves and shirts tucked
into trousers, not to mention measuring the length of shorts to ensure that
they are of a 'decent' length.  What girl/young woman today wants to look
like her grandmother out there!

-- 
Peace & Love
Janet H
(Tee off to reply)

On May 14, 10:05 pm, Steve Bolam <Steve.Bo...@Bolam.Org.Beefplease>
wrote:
> Hi all.
> I think the subject says it all really.
> Is a Junior member paying junior subs playing off the adult tees
> normally allowed to compete in a club monthly medal and claim the full
> prize money if won.??
> Do clubs create there own rules (Guidelines) on these things.. for
> example juniors must play with more experienced older members in
> competitions..
> Regards
> Steve
> --