Hi everybody,

over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with a
thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example: 
<http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set-L-M::900.html>

Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?

Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?

Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that 
a DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
thread.

OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.

Do you have any further information?

Ciao,

Paul

On 5 May, 07:57, Paul Schmitz-Josten  wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with a
> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example:
> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set...>
>
> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
>
> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
>
> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that
> a DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
> thread.
>
> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
>
> Do you have any further information?
>


As I understand it, there's no problem unless you use the thread and/
or attachment to point out your direction of play.

"johnty"  wrote in message 
news:c6225e69-11f6-454c-9949-10641facefc0@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 5 May, 07:57, Paul Schmitz-Josten  wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with 
>> a
>> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
>> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example:
>> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set...>
>>
>> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
>> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
>>
>> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
>> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
>>
>> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that
>> a DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
>> thread.
>>
>> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
>>
>> Do you have any further information?
>>
>
>
> As I understand it, there's no problem unless you use the thread and/
> or attachment to point out your direction of play.
>

I agree with Johnty regarding a tee attached to a string and/or another 
tee(s) to facilitate finding it after the stroke.

A player may manufacture his own tee pegs and provided they conform (see 
Definition of a Tee) he may use them.

What changed in 2004 was that a player may only tee his ball on a conforming 
tee peg or sand, soil or the like or an irregularity of surface (Rule 11-1) 
.
No longer may he tee his ball on a beer bottle or even a bottle-top!

Regards,
Malcolm

M L Wadsworth on Mon, 5 May 2008 10:12:11 +0100 in
:

>"johnty"  wrote in message 
>news:c6225e69-11f6-454c-9949-10641facefc0@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On 5 May, 07:57, Paul Schmitz-Josten  wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with 
>>> a
>>> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
>>> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example:
>>> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set...>
>>>
>>> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
>>> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
>>>
>>> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
>>> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that
>>> a DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
>>>
>>> Do you have any further information?

(Johnty:)
>> As I understand it, there's no problem unless you use the thread and/
>> or attachment to point out your direction of play.

(Malcolm:)
>I agree with Johnty regarding a tee attached to a string and/or another 
>tee(s) to facilitate finding it after the stroke.
>
>A player may manufacture his own tee pegs and provided they conform (see 
>Definition of a Tee) he may use them.

Thanks to both of you for your quick replies.

The definition of a tee is
|A "tee" is a device designed to raise the ball off the ground. It must not 
|be longer than 4 inches (101.6 mm), and it must not be designed or 
|manufactured in such a way that it could indicate the line of play or 
|influence the movement of the ball.

I would think that a string and second tee (or other item) may well be used
to indicate the line of play - I understand the definition not to be about
the actual usage but about the possibility - "could indicate".

>What changed in 2004 was that a player may only tee his ball on a conforming 
>tee peg or sand, soil or the like or an irregularity of surface (Rule 11-1) 
>.
>No longer may he tee his ball on a beer bottle or even a bottle-top!

ACK.

Ciao,

Paul

Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with a
> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example: 
> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set-L-M::900.html>
> 
> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
> 
> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
> 
> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that 
> a DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
> thread.
> 
> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
> 
> Do you have any further information?
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Paul
Paul,
The tees you describe are on general sale in the UK, they consist of
3 rubber/plastic cups attached by string, usually 3 different sizes & 
colours.

The use of a tee attached to a pitchmark repairer, in my view is 
extremely dangerous, although weighted, it can fly up when the shot is made!

I wasn't aware that there are "rules" as to the nature of a tee peg?


Chris

"Chris"  wrote in message 
news:h7-dncUwX6X604LVnZ2dnUVZ8qOknZ2d@bt.com...
> Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with 
>> a
>> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
>> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example: 
>> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set-L-M::900.html>
>>
>> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
>> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
>>
>> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
>> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
>>
>> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that a 
>> DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
>> thread.
>>
>> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
>>
>> Do you have any further information?
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Paul
> Paul,
> The tees you describe are on general sale in the UK, they consist of
> 3 rubber/plastic cups attached by string, usually 3 different sizes & 
> colours.
>
> The use of a tee attached to a pitchmark repairer, in my view is extremely 
> dangerous, although weighted, it can fly up when the shot is made!
>
> I wasn't aware that there are "rules" as to the nature of a tee peg?
>
>
> Chris


Chris,

Since January 2004, the following definition has been in the Rule book:

Tee
A "tee" is a device designed to raise the ball off the ground. It must not 
be longer than 4 inches (101.6 mm) and it must not be designed or 
manufactured in such a way that it could indicate the line of play or 
influence the movement of the ball.



Catch up my man.



Cheers



John T

John Turner wrote:
> "Chris"  wrote in message 
> news:h7-dncUwX6X604LVnZ2dnUVZ8qOknZ2d@bt.com...
>> Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee with 
>>> a
>>> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to keep
>>> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example: 
>>> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set-L-M::900.html>
>>>
>>> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" or
>>> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
>>>
>>> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
>>> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that a 
>>> DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
>>>
>>> Do you have any further information?
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>>
>>> Paul
>> Paul,
>> The tees you describe are on general sale in the UK, they consist of
>> 3 rubber/plastic cups attached by string, usually 3 different sizes & 
>> colours.
>>
>> The use of a tee attached to a pitchmark repairer, in my view is extremely 
>> dangerous, although weighted, it can fly up when the shot is made!
>>
>> I wasn't aware that there are "rules" as to the nature of a tee peg?
>>
>>
>> Chris
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Since January 2004, the following definition has been in the Rule book:
> 
> Tee
> A "tee" is a device designed to raise the ball off the ground. It must not 
> be longer than 4 inches (101.6 mm) and it must not be designed or 
> manufactured in such a way that it could indicate the line of play or 
> influence the movement of the ball.
> 
> 
> 
> Catch up my man.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> John T
> 
> 
> 
Though I bow to your superior/updated knowledge John/Malcolm, the tee I 
described is a) less than 4 inches high(even when used one on top of 
another) b) unless the string is deliberately placed forward indicating 
the line, NOT illegal.
Therefore a piece of string/twine attached to a tee doesn't make the tee 
illegal, UNLESS deliberately placed unconventionally .
AND they are freely available every where, American Golf, Direct Golf, 
Nevada Bobs & all pro shops I've visited.

So, the act of using a tee with string doesn't make it illegal, but the 
way it could be placed could!

Chris.

Ps. got mine in the bag for the dreaded artificial tee.

"Chris"  wrote in message 
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> John Turner wrote:
>> "Chris"  wrote in message 
>> news:h7-dncUwX6X604LVnZ2dnUVZ8qOknZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Paul Schmitz-Josten wrote:
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> over in drs.golf we have discussed the legality of a combo of a tee 
>>>> with a
>>>> thread and something else attached - e.g. a second tee - designed to 
>>>> keep
>>>> the tee in the proximity after the shot. An example: 
>>>> <http://www.golfagentur.de/Golfzubehoer/Golftees/KOVISS-VS-TEE-2er-Set-L-M::900.html>
>>>>
>>>> Question was, do those constructions break the rules (definition "tee" 
>>>> or
>>>> RoG 14-3a) by giving the opportunity to act as a directional aid?
>>>>
>>>> Are there differences between manufactured items and do-it-yourself
>>>> solutions like binding a pitch mark repairer to a tee?
>>>>
>>>> Apparently there is a confirmation of the German association DGV that a 
>>>> DQ was justified for the use of a manufactured double tee linked with a
>>>> thread.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, the manufacturers claim these tees to be conforming.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any further information?
>>>>
>>>> Ciao,
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>> Paul,
>>> The tees you describe are on general sale in the UK, they consist of
>>> 3 rubber/plastic cups attached by string, usually 3 different sizes & 
>>> colours.
>>>
>>> The use of a tee attached to a pitchmark repairer, in my view is 
>>> extremely dangerous, although weighted, it can fly up when the shot is 
>>> made!
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware that there are "rules" as to the nature of a tee peg?
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Since January 2004, the following definition has been in the Rule book:
>>
>> Tee
>> A "tee" is a device designed to raise the ball off the ground. It must 
>> not be longer than 4 inches (101.6 mm) and it must not be designed or 
>> manufactured in such a way that it could indicate the line of play or 
>> influence the movement of the ball.
>>
>>
>>
>> Catch up my man.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> John T
>>
>>
>>
> Though I bow to your superior/updated knowledge John/Malcolm, the tee I 
> described is a) less than 4 inches high(even when used one on top of 
> another) b) unless the string is deliberately placed forward indicating 
> the line, NOT illegal.
> Therefore a piece of string/twine attached to a tee doesn't make the tee 
> illegal, UNLESS deliberately placed unconventionally .
> AND they are freely available every where, American Golf, Direct Golf, 
> Nevada Bobs & all pro shops I've visited.
>
> So, the act of using a tee with string doesn't make it illegal, but the 
> way it could be placed could!
>
> Chris.
>
Absolutely correct, Chris.
The three rubber cones are not attached for the purpose of indicating the 
line of play and provided the player does not use them in that way, there is 
no problem.
It has been confirmed by the R&A that such tees are within the Rules.

Malcolm