Can anyone help i was picked to play local open at Beverley 2nd division 
playing off 16.4 i went to club tonight and my handicap has gone up to 16.5 
so i am now 3rd div my question can i still play Saturday in 2nd div if i 
play off 16?

"Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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> Can anyone help i was picked to play local open at Beverley 2nd division 
> playing off 16.4 i went to club tonight and my handicap has gone up to 
> 16.5 so i am now 3rd div my question can i still play Saturday in 2nd div 
> if i play off 16?
You will need to contact the Committee running the event as it all depends 
upon what the Conditions of Competition say.
The Conditions may say that it is a condition of entry that a player has a 
handicap of 16.4 or less at the time of entering in which case if it goes up 
or down before the day, the entry is still valid, or
 the Conditions may permit a player to enter with a higher handicap but be 
limited to playing off 16, or
that a player's handicap on the day of a round or match of the tournament 
must not be higher than 16.4 requiring your club to replace you with someone 
else.
There are several other posibilities - only the organisers can tell you.

It sounds to me, without knowing anything about the Beverley Open, that you 
will still be able to play but you will be competing in Div 3 and not Div 2.

"M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>
> "Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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>> Can anyone help i was picked to play local open at Beverley 2nd division 
>> playing off 16.4 i went to club tonight and my handicap has gone up to 
>> 16.5 so i am now 3rd div my question can i still play Saturday in 2nd div 
>> if i play off 16?
> You will need to contact the Committee running the event as it all depends 
> upon what the Conditions of Competition say.
> The Conditions may say that it is a condition of entry that a player has a 
> handicap of 16.4 or less at the time of entering in which case if it goes 
> up or down before the day, the entry is still valid, or
> the Conditions may permit a player to enter with a higher handicap but be 
> limited to playing off 16, or
> that a player's handicap on the day of a round or match of the tournament 
> must not be higher than 16.4 requiring your club to replace you with 
> someone else.
> There are several other posibilities - only the organisers can tell you.
>
> It sounds to me, without knowing anything about the Beverley Open, that 
> you will still be able to play but you will be competing in Div 3 and not 
> Div 2.
 No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?

"Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>> "Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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>>> Can anyone help i was picked to play local open at Beverley 2nd division 
>>> playing off 16.4 i went to club tonight and my handicap has gone up to 
>>> 16.5 so i am now 3rd div my question can i still play Saturday in 2nd 
>>> div if i play off 16?
>> You will need to contact the Committee running the event as it all 
>> depends upon what the Conditions of Competition say.
>> The Conditions may say that it is a condition of entry that a player has 
>> a handicap of 16.4 or less at the time of entering in which case if it 
>> goes up or down before the day, the entry is still valid, or
>> the Conditions may permit a player to enter with a higher handicap but be 
>> limited to playing off 16, or
>> that a player's handicap on the day of a round or match of the tournament 
>> must not be higher than 16.4 requiring your club to replace you with 
>> someone else.
>> There are several other posibilities - only the organisers can tell you.
>>
>> It sounds to me, without knowing anything about the Beverley Open, that 
>> you will still be able to play but you will be competing in Div 3 and not 
>> Div 2.
> No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?


"No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?"
This sentence makes no sense, particularly ending as it does with a question 
mark.

Without understanding the question, I cannot answer it.

Do you want to try again?

M L Wadsworth wrote:
> "Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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>> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>>> "Thomopac"  wrote in message 
>>> news:WsCdnfQrA6buKIXVnZ2dnUVZ8qClnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
>>>> Can anyone help i was picked to play local open at Beverley 2nd division 
>>>> playing off 16.4 i went to club tonight and my handicap has gone up to 
>>>> 16.5 so i am now 3rd div my question can i still play Saturday in 2nd 
>>>> div if i play off 16?
>>> You will need to contact the Committee running the event as it all 
>>> depends upon what the Conditions of Competition say.
>>> The Conditions may say that it is a condition of entry that a player has 
>>> a handicap of 16.4 or less at the time of entering in which case if it 
>>> goes up or down before the day, the entry is still valid, or
>>> the Conditions may permit a player to enter with a higher handicap but be 
>>> limited to playing off 16, or
>>> that a player's handicap on the day of a round or match of the tournament 
>>> must not be higher than 16.4 requiring your club to replace you with 
>>> someone else.
>>> There are several other posibilities - only the organisers can tell you.
>>>
>>> It sounds to me, without knowing anything about the Beverley Open, that 
>>> you will still be able to play but you will be competing in Div 3 and not 
>>> Div 2.
>> No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?
> 
> 
> "No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?"
> This sentence makes no sense, particularly ending as it does with a question 
> mark.
> 
> Without understanding the question, I cannot answer it.
> 
> Do you want to try again?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Malcolm,

Their Entry Form appears to be seriously devoid of 'Conditions....'!

(see http://tinyurl.com/4d37h4 )

One would have thought that having gone to the trouble of placing their 
'Entry Forms' online then they should really have posted 
'Conditions.....' at the same time. Very annoying for anyone concerned 
with administering rules etc.

In these parts 'Entry Forms' and 'Conditions....' are part and parcel of 
the same document.....is this not the case in the UK?

cheers
david

"david s-a"  wrote in message 
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>M L Wadsworth wrote:
>> "Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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>>> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>>>> "Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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>>>>> Can anyone help i was picked to play local open at Beverley 2nd 
>>>>> division playing off 16.4 i went to club tonight and my handicap has 
>>>>> gone up to 16.5 so i am now 3rd div my question can i still play 
>>>>> Saturday in 2nd div if i play off 16?
>>>> You will need to contact the Committee running the event as it all 
>>>> depends upon what the Conditions of Competition say.
>>>> The Conditions may say that it is a condition of entry that a player 
>>>> has a handicap of 16.4 or less at the time of entering in which case if 
>>>> it goes up or down before the day, the entry is still valid, or
>>>> the Conditions may permit a player to enter with a higher handicap but 
>>>> be limited to playing off 16, or
>>>> that a player's handicap on the day of a round or match of the 
>>>> tournament must not be higher than 16.4 requiring your club to replace 
>>>> you with someone else.
>>>> There are several other posibilities - only the organisers can tell 
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me, without knowing anything about the Beverley Open, that 
>>>> you will still be able to play but you will be competing in Div 3 and 
>>>> not Div 2.
>>> No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?
>>
>>
>> "No its a div 2 open div 3 open is my own course?"
>> This sentence makes no sense, particularly ending as it does with a 
>> question mark.
>>
>> Without understanding the question, I cannot answer it.
>>
>> Do you want to try again?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Malcolm,
>
> Their Entry Form appears to be seriously devoid of 'Conditions....'!
>
> (see http://tinyurl.com/4d37h4 )
>
> One would have thought that having gone to the trouble of placing their 
> 'Entry Forms' online then they should really have posted 'Conditions.....' 
> at the same time. Very annoying for anyone concerned with administering 
> rules etc.
>
> In these parts 'Entry Forms' and 'Conditions....' are part and parcel of 
> the same document.....is this not the case in the UK?
>
> cheers
> david

Thanks David, I went there first of all looking for information, but 
Thomopac says he is playing this Saturday.

I have just phoned Beverley & East Riding GC Pro Shop, apparently the CoC 
for this "Open" are as vague as the ones for their own club Opens which 
should as you say, be on or attached to the Entry Forms.

It seems that there are a series of monthly Medal play competitions open to 
members of golf clubs in the district of Hull and thereabouts which would 
include Beverley.  These "Opens" are divided into divisions with scratch and 
handicap prizes.  Each of the three divisions plays on different dates.
While the Pro Shop was very familiar with these competitions, they did not 
know the CoC, or at least did not have them to hand.

Not knowing Thomopac's name, I could not find out which Division he was down 
for but there was an entry for a player in Division 2 with an 18 handicap 
which read "18(16)", suggesting that Thomopac could still play in Division 2 
although his handicap has gone up to 17, but he would have to play of 16.
The Pro thought that had his handicap been 17 and he had been down to play 
in Division 3, he would not have been able to play in that Division if his 
handicap went the other way - down to 16, because of the scratch prizes.

Why those that run golf competitions think they can do so without setting 
down the CoC, beats me.  They are needed even for the most social of 
competitions.
I know that all those taking part often know the basics, such as: only for 
men with handicaps; singles stroke play; Stableford scoring; full handicap 
allowance; highest points wins; ties decided on count back, etc but there 
are other eventualities to cover such as Thomopac's dilemma, and it is so 
much easier if they are thought out and written down beforehand.

Regards,
Malcolm

Thank you all for your help. My club is Ganstead Park this Saturday the 
division three open is there and i can play in that. but i have been chosen 
for the division two open at Beverley and as Malcolm has stated no one seems 
to know CoC so i will cancel Beverley and play at Ganstead.

"Thomopac"  wrote in message 
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> Thank you all for your help. My club is Ganstead Park this Saturday the 
> division three open is there and i can play in that. but i have been 
> chosen for the division two open at Beverley and as Malcolm has stated no 
> one seems to know CoC so i will cancel Beverley and play at Ganstead.


Glad you have been able to sort it out but it would be worth establishing 
the Conditions of Competition so you know what to do when you are down to 
play in Div 3 and your handicap goes down after entering.

Good luck in the competition.