Nothing much to add to Durram's words, expect to repeat them.

A *really* good two days with great company. I hope I remembered everyone 
when I accepted the trophy on behalf of the victorious North, except I meant 
to give a special mention to Paul and Sonya for once again making the long 
trip.

Thanks again to all my partners and opponents, both on the course and around 
the dinner table, and particularly to Bill for such efficient organization.

Already looking forward to this year's event at Aldwyckbury and to next 
year's NvS challenge too!

Thanks guys'n'girls

Dave

On 22 Apr, 07:47, "Dave Robinson"  wrote:
> Nothing much to add to Durram's words, expect to repeat them.
>
> A *really* good two days with great company. I hope I remembered everyone
> when I accepted the trophy on behalf of the victorious North, except I meant
> to give a special mention to Paul and Sonya for once again making the long
> trip.

At least you remembered to thank somebody, Dave.  I'm afraid my
oratory skills are pretty shabby in comparison ;-)

In no particular order, my thanks to:

Bill Seddon for organising the event so well,
Mick Bryan for the shirts and the lift there and back,
Simon Ireland for being an excellent roomie,
Chris Homer for kindly bringing along some sets of hickories for us to
have a go with,
Richard Brown for running the sweeps,
Steve Bolam, Paul Schmitz-Josten, Margaret Walker, Simon and Bill for
their excellent company on the course,

and everyone else for coming along and making it such a fun event.

I remain convinced there are conspiratorial forces at work however.
No matter how much I drank, stayed up late, had minimal sleep, ran out
of energy on the back nine on the Monday, and forgot how to hit the
ball, how else to explain being one point behind two playing partners
on the 18th and still walking off a narrow victor ?

And so to thoughts of next year, which will be our 10th annual
gathering.  I'll kick off a new thread shortly, inviting any
suggestions and/or comments (and if anyone would prefer to drop me a
discreet email, I will of course respect their privacy - email address
in the headers).

John

John Laird wrote:

> 
> And so to thoughts of next year, which will be our 10th annual
> gathering.  I'll kick off a new thread shortly, inviting any
> suggestions and/or comments (and if anyone would prefer to drop me a
> discreet email, I will of course respect their privacy - email address
> in the headers).
> 
> John

Wow the 10th year! Can it really be that long since we all gave shifty 
eyes to each other at Hill Valley trying to suss out of all the people 
in the club house which ones were the computer nerds who would 
surreptitiously frequent, flame, troll or lurk about an internet 
newsgroups. Amazing! It will be great to celebrate the new faces, 
familiar faces and lament those we only saw fleetingly or not at all.

As to where, well somewhere really equal to the occasion I hope. FoA has 
a great hotel: the room, the food and the convenience has a lot going 
for it, but many seem to express doubts about the courses after playing 
them. I'd happily go back personally as I believe that type of course is 
better played more than once but YMMD and I would be sneeking my own 
booze in at those prices! If everybody had brought a bottle of wine in 
we'd have collectively saved over £250.

The thing about hotels is that, maybe I speak for only a few of the late 
birds, but I don't spend enough time in the room to be that bothered 
about it. As long as it has an en-suite and I can have a single room all 
the boxes are ticked.

I wouldn't even mind traveling to and from the course cos if we choose 
something like that we don't have to have the course attached to the 
hotel which always seems to limit the quality of the courses to choose 
from and put the prices up, this is what we always do with the golf 
society I travel with. There are loads of courses mid way up and close 
to the M1 for instance Lindrick and Notts (Hollinwell). A pal of mine 
runs one of these portal thingies which may be a useful starting point 
http://www.hotelsneargolfcourses.co.uk/index.php let me know if you use 
it cos I'll be asking for commission!

Anyway, whatever, wherever - I'm in!
-- 
Demetri

I can't add much to anyone else's recollection of the get-together.
Pity I didn't have any staying power for the bar on Sunday night but I
was absolutely kn*ckered and it showed in the Monday golf.......
(Apologies to all those who wagered on me - but one year I
will...........)


Best move of the weekend was the M42/M6N slip road back to main
carriageway (M42-M6 Toll)  as JL and myself heard the trafiic report
about the M6 being blocked northbound between J6 and J9!

Looking forward to seeing all again next year if not before at
"regional" events.

Cheers,
Mick

On Apr 23, 1:26 pm, "Demetri (Durram)"  wrote:
> John Laird wrote:
>
> > And so to thoughts of next year, which will be our 10th annual
> > gathering.  I'll kick off a new thread shortly, inviting any
> > suggestions and/or comments (and if anyone would prefer to drop me a
> > discreet email, I will of course respect their privacy - email address
> > in the headers).
>
> > John
>
> Wow the 10th year! Can it really be that long since we all gave shifty
> eyes to each other at Hill Valley trying to suss out of all the people
> in the club house which ones were the computer nerds who would
> surreptitiously frequent, flame, troll or lurk about an internet
> newsgroups. Amazing! It will be great to celebrate the new faces,
> familiar faces and lament those we only saw fleetingly or not at all.
>
> As to where, well somewhere really equal to the occasion I hope. FoA has
> a great hotel: the room, the food and the convenience has a lot going
> for it, but many seem to express doubts about the courses after playing
> them. I'd happily go back personally as I believe that type of course is
> better played more than once but YMMD and I would be sneeking my own
> booze in at those prices! If everybody had brought a bottle of wine in
> we'd have collectively saved over £250.
>
> The thing about hotels is that, maybe I speak for only a few of the late
> birds, but I don't spend enough time in the room to be that bothered
> about it. As long as it has an en-suite and I can have a single room all
> the boxes are ticked.
>
> I wouldn't even mind traveling to and from the course cos if we choose
> something like that we don't have to have the course attached to the
> hotel which always seems to limit the quality of the courses to choose
> from and put the prices up, this is what we always do with the golf
> society I travel with. There are loads of courses mid way up and close
> to the M1 for instance Lindrick and Notts (Hollinwell). A pal of mine
> runs one of these portal thingies which may be a useful starting pointhttp://www.hotelsneargolfcourses.co.uk/index.phplet me know if you use
> it cos I'll be asking for commission!
>
> Anyway, whatever, wherever - I'm in!
> --
> Demetri

Hollinwell is probably my favourite inland course,  awesome place,
only about 20 minutes away so I play it quite a bit,  likewise
Lindrick, Sherwood,  Coxmoor,  Worksop,  all excellent,  but no Hotels
on site.

Really enjoyed last weekend,  off for a few more holes this evening to
see if I can remember how to play now the head has cleared.

Bill

Bill in :

>Hollinwell is probably my favourite inland course,  awesome place,
>only about 20 minutes away so I play it quite a bit,  likewise
>Lindrick, Sherwood,  Coxmoor,  Worksop,  all excellent,  but no Hotels
>on site.

As a resident you wouldn't look for a hotel there, would you?

There are three hotels on the Hollinwell homepage,
<http://www.nottsgolfclub.co.uk/pages/whereto.html>

Plus, about 8 miles North West from there 
(9 miles from the Sherwood course,
8 miles from Coxmoor) is

Twin Oaks Hotel, Palterton
Church Lane, Palterton, S44 6UZ
(26 bedrooms, restaurant, bar until 2 a.m. :->, right at J29 of M1)
<http://www.twinoakshotel.co.uk/index.php>

>Really enjoyed last weekend,  off for a few more holes this evening to
>see if I can remember how to play now the head has cleared.

<bg>
We had no head to clear but a marvellous finish of our stay, dozing in warm
sunshine on the river cam on Tuesday (being punted along Cambridge) and
then having a rich cream tea at The Orchad nearby - highest recommendation
for both of these leisure highlights!

Back home, I suffer from a strained muscle below my righthand ribs.
Am I too old for 36 holes in two days? <g>

Ciao,

Paul

Demetri (Durram) in <fun9tr$khn$1@aioe.org>:

(discussing the "next event" subject)
I'm afraid to agree to you to a wide degree - take my two ¤-cent:

The courses are more than nice and sure would give us better scores after
we've been looking back at them from the greens, too. As you said, they
deserve to be played again. Still, there is the M6 which bothered me most
of Sunday and badly for half the course (holes 2 to 10) and also for three
holes Monday - I'm deeply loving the noise of silence on the course!
(we might try to make a deal to play the back nine of the Arden 4 times(?)
just to see if I can make it at elast once without hitting the fence 
at #10)

That's about 1 point pro and 1.5 point against for me, the next "against"
being that I love to play new courses especially to justify our longest
ride to the bash (hey, motor bike gatherings give a prize for that!)

Of course one can discuss the cost level in a Marriot but I loved every
minute of it: a professional reception, a spacy room with all
accomplishments, restaurant, bar(, pool). Still, a traditional country inn
with a creaky floor, providing a solid steak + Ale would have been equally
perfect.

Thinking about John's proposal on the way home I thought that there are
several other Marriots with two golf courses attached which might be worth
a journey, apart from the 1000(+?) other courses around the country.
(special wishes: either links or welsh courses)

Bill's remarks seem equally interesting: golf courses close to the Peak
District, a region which seems well worth a visit.

And while I only know come-togethers on two courses, a double banter on a
single stunning course might have something to favour, don't you agree?

Ciao,

Paul

"Bill"  wrote in message 
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On Apr 23, 1:26 pm, "Demetri (Durram)"  wrote:

>
> I wouldn't even mind traveling to and from the course cos if we choose
> something like that we don't have to have the course attached to the
> hotel which always seems to limit the quality of the courses to choose
> from and put the prices up, this is what we always do with the golf
> society I travel with. There are loads of courses mid way up and close
> to the M1 for instance Lindrick and Notts (Hollinwell). A pal of mine
> runs one of these portal thingies which may be a useful starting 
> pointhttp://www.hotelsneargolfcourses.co.uk/index.phplet me know if you 
> use
> it cos I'll be asking for commission!
>
> Anyway, whatever, wherever - I'm in!
> --
> Demetri

Hollinwell is probably my favourite inland course,  awesome place,
only about 20 minutes away so I play it quite a bit,  likewise
Lindrick, Sherwood,  Coxmoor,  Worksop,  all excellent,  but no Hotels
on site.

Really enjoyed last weekend,  off for a few more holes this evening to
see if I can remember how to play now the head has cleared.

Bill


I have been very pleased to read that you all had a great time in good 
weather and the event was as enjoyable as ever.

I had hoped that without me contributing two lost points for the South, they 
might have won this year but no.
If my Southern compatriots can't win without me, I will definitely be back 
again next year, particularly as it is the 10th.

It would be really good if we could get back many of the past players, even 
if they cannot all play nowadays - Pat Williams, Sandy Morton, Brian Yare, 
John Stokes, Sam Smale, Melvyn Buckpitt, Michael Nadady, Kev North, Patrick 
Kennelly, Stuart Edwards, John Hallas, Alex Thompson, Russ Tizard - to name 
but a few.

I very much favour playing two private club's courses and taking 
accommodation nearby.  Anywhere Cambridgshire, Northamptonshire, 
Leicestershire off the M1 or A1 would be good.
Bear in mind, A Sunday/Monday deal would not be on the cards.  If playing 
private courses, they generally take societies midweek only - this will 
please Denis Cary who wont play Sundays.
One envisages: Club A: light lunch, 18 holes and dinner; Hotel: B&B only: 
Club B: 18 holes and lunch.
The event would likely be rather more expensive but worth it. I would guess 
Club A £65; B&B single occupancy £80; Club B £50 - around £200.


Regards,
Malcolm

"M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
message news:gNmdndxTJKsm0Y_VnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Bill"  wrote in message 
> news:4d5a269c-4c19-44c4-95d1-037d324ed743@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 23, 1:26 pm, "Demetri (Durram)"  wrote:
>
>>
>> I wouldn't even mind traveling to and from the course cos if we choose
>> something like that we don't have to have the course attached to the
>> hotel which always seems to limit the quality of the courses to choose
>> from and put the prices up, this is what we always do with the golf
>> society I travel with. There are loads of courses mid way up and close
>> to the M1 for instance Lindrick and Notts (Hollinwell). A pal of mine
>> runs one of these portal thingies which may be a useful starting 
>> pointhttp://www.hotelsneargolfcourses.co.uk/index.phplet me know if you 
>> use
>> it cos I'll be asking for commission!
>>
>> Anyway, whatever, wherever - I'm in!
>> --
>> Demetri
>
> Hollinwell is probably my favourite inland course,  awesome place,
> only about 20 minutes away so I play it quite a bit,  likewise
> Lindrick, Sherwood,  Coxmoor,  Worksop,  all excellent,  but no Hotels
> on site.
>
> Really enjoyed last weekend,  off for a few more holes this evening to
> see if I can remember how to play now the head has cleared.
>
> Bill
>
>
> I have been very pleased to read that you all had a great time in good 
> weather and the event was as enjoyable as ever.
>
> I had hoped that without me contributing two lost points for the South, 
> they might have won this year but no.
> If my Southern compatriots can't win without me, I will definitely be back 
> again next year, particularly as it is the 10th.
>
> It would be really good if we could get back many of the past players, 
> even if they cannot all play nowadays - Pat Williams, Sandy Morton, Brian 
> Yare, John Stokes, Sam Smale, Melvyn Buckpitt, Michael Nadady, Kev North, 
> Patrick Kennelly, Stuart Edwards, John Hallas, Alex Thompson, Russ 
> Tizard - to name but a few.
>
> I very much favour playing two private club's courses and taking 
> accommodation nearby.  Anywhere Cambridgshire, Northamptonshire, 
> Leicestershire off the M1 or A1 would be good.
> Bear in mind, A Sunday/Monday deal would not be on the cards.  If playing 
> private courses, they generally take societies midweek only - this will 
> please Denis Cary who wont play Sundays.
> One envisages: Club A: light lunch, 18 holes and dinner; Hotel: B&B only: 
> Club B: 18 holes and lunch.
> The event would likely be rather more expensive but worth it. I would 
> guess Club A £65; B&B single occupancy £80; Club B £50 - around £200.
>
>
> Regards,
> Malcolm
>
>
>
There is a course, located on the A1, which would, I am sure, be pleased
to host the 10th anniversary meeting of UK.Sports.golf. There is at least
two others not far away. These are excellent menbers courses loacted in
Lincolnshire.
The courses are :- Stoke Rochford, Belton Park and Burghley Park. All three
arte located withing a few minutes of the A1 and not far form each other.

Yes Malcolm. I would be very pleased if the tenth anniversary could be held
on week days and I would be number one entry. I did play in the first three
events.

Denis

>
>

"Denis Cary"  wrote in message 
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>
> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
> message news:gNmdndxTJKsm0Y_VnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Bill"  wrote in message 
>> news:4d5a269c-4c19-44c4-95d1-037d324ed743@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 23, 1:26 pm, "Demetri (Durram)"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't even mind traveling to and from the course cos if we choose
>>> something like that we don't have to have the course attached to the
>>> hotel which always seems to limit the quality of the courses to choose
>>> from and put the prices up, this is what we always do with the golf
>>> society I travel with. There are loads of courses mid way up and close
>>> to the M1 for instance Lindrick and Notts (Hollinwell). A pal of mine
>>> runs one of these portal thingies which may be a useful starting 
>>> pointhttp://www.hotelsneargolfcourses.co.uk/index.phplet me know if you 
>>> use
>>> it cos I'll be asking for commission!
>>>
>>> Anyway, whatever, wherever - I'm in!
>>> --
>>> Demetri
>>
>> Hollinwell is probably my favourite inland course,  awesome place,
>> only about 20 minutes away so I play it quite a bit,  likewise
>> Lindrick, Sherwood,  Coxmoor,  Worksop,  all excellent,  but no Hotels
>> on site.
>>
>> Really enjoyed last weekend,  off for a few more holes this evening to
>> see if I can remember how to play now the head has cleared.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> I have been very pleased to read that you all had a great time in good 
>> weather and the event was as enjoyable as ever.
>>
>> I had hoped that without me contributing two lost points for the South, 
>> they might have won this year but no.
>> If my Southern compatriots can't win without me, I will definitely be 
>> back again next year, particularly as it is the 10th.
>>
>> It would be really good if we could get back many of the past players, 
>> even if they cannot all play nowadays - Pat Williams, Sandy Morton, Brian 
>> Yare, John Stokes, Sam Smale, Melvyn Buckpitt, Michael Nadady, Kev North, 
>> Patrick Kennelly, Stuart Edwards, John Hallas, Alex Thompson, Russ 
>> Tizard - to name but a few.
>>
>> I very much favour playing two private club's courses and taking 
>> accommodation nearby.  Anywhere Cambridgshire, Northamptonshire, 
>> Leicestershire off the M1 or A1 would be good.
>> Bear in mind, A Sunday/Monday deal would not be on the cards.  If playing 
>> private courses, they generally take societies midweek only - this will 
>> please Denis Cary who wont play Sundays.
>> One envisages: Club A: light lunch, 18 holes and dinner; Hotel: B&B only: 
>> Club B: 18 holes and lunch.
>> The event would likely be rather more expensive but worth it. I would 
>> guess Club A £65; B&B single occupancy £80; Club B £50 - around £200.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
> There is a course, located on the A1, which would, I am sure, be pleased
> to host the 10th anniversary meeting of UK.Sports.golf. There is at least
> two others not far away. These are excellent menbers courses loacted in
> Lincolnshire.
> The courses are :- Stoke Rochford, Belton Park and Burghley Park. All 
> three
> arte located withing a few minutes of the A1 and not far form each other.
>
> Yes Malcolm. I would be very pleased if the tenth anniversary could be 
> held
> on week days and I would be number one entry. I did play in the first 
> three
> events.
>
> Denis
>
>>
Looks good to me.  Estimate possibly around £150 rather than £200
The websites suggest good courses and facilities and there are reasonably 
priced hotels around Stamford or Grantham who I'm sure would welcome up to 
30 room bookings.

I would vote for them - provided that is the courses aren't plagued by 
moles! ;-)

Malcolm

On 22 Apr, 20:39, John Laird  wrote:
> On 22 Apr, 07:47, "Dave Robinson"  wrote:
>
> > Nothing much to add to Durram's words, expect to repeat them.
>
> > A *really* good two days with great company. I hope I remembered everyone
> > when I accepted the trophy on behalf of the victorious North, except I meant
> > to give a special mention to Paul and Sonya for once again making the long
> > trip.
>
> At least you remembered to thank somebody, Dave.  I'm afraid my
> oratory skills are pretty shabby in comparison ;-)
>
> In no particular order, my thanks to:
>
> Bill Seddon for organising the event so well,
> Mick Bryan for the shirts and the lift there and back,
> Simon Ireland for being an excellent roomie,
> Chris Homer for kindly bringing along some sets of hickories for us to
> have a go with,
> Richard Brown for running the sweeps,
> Steve Bolam, Paul Schmitz-Josten, Margaret Walker, Simon and Bill for
> their excellent company on the course,
>
> and everyone else for coming along and making it such a fun event.
>
> I remain convinced there are conspiratorial forces at work however.
> No matter how much I drank, stayed up late, had minimal sleep, ran out
> of energy on the back nine on the Monday, and forgot how to hit the
> ball, how else to explain being one point behind two playing partners
> on the 18th and still walking off a narrow victor ?
>
> And so to thoughts of next year, which will be our 10th annual
> gathering.  I'll kick off a new thread shortly, inviting any
> suggestions and/or comments (and if anyone would prefer to drop me a
> discreet email, I will of course respect their privacy - email address
> in the headers).
>
> John

Apologies for not posting sooner, but PC has been playing up ever
since I returned having crashing fits every time I try and do anything
other than read emails or these postings....

I would just like to my thanks to Bill for all his hard work in
organising the meeting, and I am half-dreading the day that I somehow
play well enough to win and get the honour than John Laird has just
got for the second time for next year.

As far as the FoA is concerned I enjoyed the layout of the two courses
and could play them again, if only to get value out of the course
planners! The Arden course is very nice, but the Aylesford did have
the look and feel of a municipial course laid out in a field at times.

However my major concerns about the FoA are that I agree that the
traffic noise is too much, especially as people complain about my own
course (Richings Park, next to M4) which is quieter. The bar prices
were a joke, even for someone who lives in the expensive South and I
thought that the food was nowhere as good as that served at Hawkstone
Park.

It is Johns choice as to where we go, and if I am available then I
will be there. I really like the idea that Malcolm has suggested about
staying off course which gives us a bit more freedom (and possibility
of real ale) in where we play.

Finally many thanks to those who played (and put up) with my eratic
play, Bill, Dave x2, Maggie, Chris and Mick.

CU next year, although I will try and make Aldwickbury this year if I
can get the time off work.

Richard

Denis Cary wrote:


> The courses are :- Stoke Rochford, Belton Park and Burghley Park. All three
> arte located withing a few minutes of the A1 and not far form each other.

Greetings all, I must admit that I was underwhelmed by FoA. I thought 
the course was not in the best of condition and also a tad too difficult 
for an old hacker like me. That aside, I did enjoy the company of the 
denizens of r.s.g.
With regard to the suggestions above I can recommend Burghley Park as it 
is usually in great condition and there is a Fortes about 10 miles down 
the A1 as well as several Hotels in Stamford.
Stoke Rochford is also a very well kept course and just a bit more of a 
challenge.
Belton Park is a Marriot Hotel with on site accommodation. Quite a tough 
course and usually in good condition.

I have not played Hollinwell but Coxmoor is on my list of must go again. 
It reminded me of Woodhall Spa.

-- 
Regards Jaygee

"jaygee"  wrote in message 
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> Denis Cary wrote:
>
>
>> The courses are :- Stoke Rochford, Belton Park and Burghley Park. All 
>> three
>> arte located withing a few minutes of the A1 and not far form each other.
>
> Greetings all, I must admit that I was underwhelmed by FoA. I thought the 
> course was not in the best of condition and also a tad too difficult for 
> an old hacker like me. That aside, I did enjoy the company of the denizens 
> of r.s.g.
> With regard to the suggestions above I can recommend Burghley Park as it 
> is usually in great condition and there is a Fortes about 10 miles down 
> the A1 as well as several Hotels in Stamford.
> Stoke Rochford is also a very well kept course and just a bit more of a 
> challenge.
> Belton Park is a Marriot Hotel with on site accommodation. Quite a tough 
> course and usually in good condition.
> It is Belton Woods that is the Marriot Hotel Course not Belton Park. They 
> are located next to each other
   Belton Park is a members club.
   They have 27 Holes.
   A very pleasant course. They use winter greens which may stretch into 
Aprl but         at any other time the course is usually maintained in first 
class condition.
    Burghley Park is usually maintained in first class condition but some of
    the course does tend to be a bit up and down.
    Stoke Rochford is always in good condition. It must be the drainage they
    have. It will really test any golfer.
I have played all three clubs each of the last 10 years and recommend all of 
them

Denis

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> "Denis Cary"  wrote in message 
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>> "M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>>>
>>> "Bill"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4d5a269c-4c19-44c4-95d1-037d324ed743@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 23, 1:26 pm, "Demetri (Durram)"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't even mind traveling to and from the course cos if we choose
>>>> something like that we don't have to have the course attached to the
>>>> hotel which always seems to limit the quality of the courses to choose
>>>> from and put the prices up, this is what we always do with the golf
>>>> society I travel with. There are loads of courses mid way up and close
>>>> to the M1 for instance Lindrick and Notts (Hollinwell). A pal of mine
>>>> runs one of these portal thingies which may be a useful starting 
>>>> pointhttp://www.hotelsneargolfcourses.co.uk/index.phplet me know if you 
>>>> use
>>>> it cos I'll be asking for commission!
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, whatever, wherever - I'm in!
>>>> --
>>>> Demetri
>>>
>>> Hollinwell is probably my favourite inland course,  awesome place,
>>> only about 20 minutes away so I play it quite a bit,  likewise
>>> Lindrick, Sherwood,  Coxmoor,  Worksop,  all excellent,  but no Hotels
>>> on site.
>>>
>>> Really enjoyed last weekend,  off for a few more holes this evening to
>>> see if I can remember how to play now the head has cleared.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been very pleased to read that you all had a great time in good 
>>> weather and the event was as enjoyable as ever.
>>>
>>> I had hoped that without me contributing two lost points for the South, 
>>> they might have won this year but no.
>>> If my Southern compatriots can't win without me, I will definitely be 
>>> back again next year, particularly as it is the 10th.
>>>
>>> It would be really good if we could get back many of the past players, 
>>> even if they cannot all play nowadays - Pat Williams, Sandy Morton, 
>>> Brian Yare, John Stokes, Sam Smale, Melvyn Buckpitt, Michael Nadady, Kev 
>>> North, Patrick Kennelly, Stuart Edwards, John Hallas, Alex Thompson, 
>>> Russ Tizard - to name but a few.
>>>
>>> I very much favour playing two private club's courses and taking 
>>> accommodation nearby.  Anywhere Cambridgshire, Northamptonshire, 
>>> Leicestershire off the M1 or A1 would be good.
>>> Bear in mind, A Sunday/Monday deal would not be on the cards.  If 
>>> playing private courses, they generally take societies midweek only - 
>>> this will please Denis Cary who wont play Sundays.
>>> One envisages: Club A: light lunch, 18 holes and dinner; Hotel: B&B 
>>> only: Club B: 18 holes and lunch.
>>> The event would likely be rather more expensive but worth it. I would 
>>> guess Club A £65; B&B single occupancy £80; Club B £50 - around £200.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Malcolm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> There is a course, located on the A1, which would, I am sure, be pleased
>> to host the 10th anniversary meeting of UK.Sports.golf. There is at least
>> two others not far away. These are excellent menbers courses loacted in
>> Lincolnshire.
>> The courses are :- Stoke Rochford, Belton Park and Burghley Park. All 
>> three
>> arte located withing a few minutes of the A1 and not far form each other.
>>
>> Yes Malcolm. I would be very pleased if the tenth anniversary could be 
>> held
>> on week days and I would be number one entry. I did play in the first 
>> three
>> events.
>>
>> Denis
>>
>>>
> Looks good to me.  Estimate possibly around £150 rather than £200
> The websites suggest good courses and facilities and there are reasonably 
> priced hotels around Stamford or Grantham who I'm sure would welcome up to 
> 30 room bookings.
>
> I would vote for them - provided that is the courses aren't plagued by 
> moles! ;-)
>
> Malcolm

Glad you like tge suggestions
Haven't seen any moles on on my annual visits during the last 10 years

Denis

Denis Cary wrote:

>> It is Belton Woods that is the Marriot Hotel Course not Belton Park. They 
>> are located next to each other

You are correct, my mistake. I have not played Belton Park.

>     Burghley Park is usually maintained in first class condition but some of
>     the course does tend to be a bit up and down.

I was a member at Burghley till about 3 years ago and never had reason 
to complain about the condition of this course.

>     Stoke Rochford is always in good condition. It must be the drainage they
>     have. It will really test any golfer.

No argument there, lovely course and a pretty fair challenge. Not flat 
though, some reasonable climbs.

-- 
Regards Jaygee

jaygee wrote:
> Denis Cary wrote:
> 
>>> It is Belton Woods that is the Marriot Hotel Course not Belton Park. 
>>> They are located next to each other
> 
> You are correct, my mistake. I have not played Belton Park.
> 
>>     Burghley Park is usually maintained in first class condition but 
>> some of
>>     the course does tend to be a bit up and down.
> 
> I was a member at Burghley till about 3 years ago and never had reason 
> to complain about the condition of this course.
> 
>>     Stoke Rochford is always in good condition. It must be the 
>> drainage they
>>     have. It will really test any golfer.
> 
> No argument there, lovely course and a pretty fair challenge. Not flat 
> though, some reasonable climbs.
> 

I thought the Scots were at their happiest when having a wander in the 
Trossachs so you should be used to a few climbs here and there. Surely, 
as this place is more or less in the Sahff the landscape won't be too 
troubling for our hardy band of golfers, even the shandy drinking section.

Seriously, I agree it would be nice to take our annual event to more 
established courses and away from the new style ones we've visited in 
the past. I'm glad people are running with this idea but Lairdy is 
strangely silent on the issue, maybe because of the extra work it might 
entail pulling things together.

-- 
Durram

I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
Tourist Board would be a good place to start.

For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.

Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.

Cheers,
Mick
p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
good deal!!

newbryford wrote:
> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
> 
> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
> 
> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mick
> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
> good deal!!
> 
> 
> 
I'll add another to the list of possibles, Patshull near Wolverhampton.

I am reliably informed it is a course which is in good condition in late 
April/early May.

Chris B

Chris wrote:
> newbryford wrote:
>> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
>> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
>> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
>> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
>>
>> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
>> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
>>
>> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mick
>> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
>> good deal!!
>>
>>
>>
> I'll add another to the list of possibles, Patshull near Wolverhampton.
> 
> I am reliably informed it is a course which is in good condition in late 
> April/early May.
> 
> Chris B
Golf breaks (1night) start from £69, (2nights) from £110.

see
> http://www.patshull-park.co.uk/index.php?contentid=14


regards

Chris B

"Chris"  wrote in message 
news:7q2dncsiauk4QoDVRVnyhAA@bt.com...
> newbryford wrote:
>> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
>> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
>> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
>> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
>>
>> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
>> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
>>
>> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mick
>> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
>> good deal!!
>>
>>
>>
> I'll add another to the list of possibles, Patshull near Wolverhampton.
>
> I am reliably informed it is a course which is in good condition in late 
> April/early May.
>
> Chris B

Patshull Park is excellent and looks after societies very well.
It being up near Hill Valley is more North than South for comfort.

I have an opinion as to why the South don't win often. Its because the 
Northerners always win the Williams cup and pick a course close enough to 
home where the North all go for secret practice rounds while the Southerners 
arrive bushed having trekked hundreds of miles through the dense traffic of 
the South from places like Plymouth, Southampton and Dover ;-)

Regards,
Malcolm
PS - How did your Rabbits event go on 8th April?

M L Wadsworth wrote:
> "Chris"  wrote in message 
> news:7q2dncsiauk4QoDVRVnyhAA@bt.com...
>> newbryford wrote:
>>> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
>>> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
>>> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
>>> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
>>>
>>> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
>>> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
>>>
>>> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mick
>>> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
>>> good deal!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I'll add another to the list of possibles, Patshull near Wolverhampton.
>>
>> I am reliably informed it is a course which is in good condition in late 
>> April/early May.
>>
>> Chris B
> 
> Patshull Park is excellent and looks after societies very well.
> It being up near Hill Valley is more North than South for comfort.
> 
> I have an opinion as to why the South don't win often. Its because the 
> Northerners always win the Williams cup and pick a course close enough to 
> home where the North all go for secret practice rounds while the Southerners 
> arrive bushed having trekked hundreds of miles through the dense traffic of 
> the South from places like Plymouth, Southampton and Dover ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> Malcolm
> PS - How did your Rabbits event go on 8th April?
> 
> 
Malcolm,

I'm reliably informed that Patshull is near Wolverhampton, thats a 
couple of hours from the north too! Autoroute has it 125 from here(2hrs)
& 135 from Hyde Park, London (2.25hrs)

I only suggested it because of it's reputation as a good course early in 
the year.

The "Meet the Rabbits" evening was a total success we managed to attract 
36 golfers, of which 20 or so were new to the club. We recruited all of 
them to the section. The quiz was perfect for the event, the only coughs 
& grumbles were from golfers who thought they knew all the rules! Good 
job the club Captain was on hand to adjudicate, with the decisions book 
by his side (some people just wouldn't accept my word!)
The best score was 17 from the 2006 Rabbits Captain! so it was as well I 
didn't try your first quiz! ;-)

So with your help we have more Rabbit Golfers than ever (the record for 
2004 stands at 109) our numbers are 85, 20 better than last season.
Many thanks Malcolm, I owe you a round of golf, when can you come up?

Chris

Eventually I should also like to add my thanks to everyone at FoA!!
It was a great couple of days even though my golf was rubbish but my pal 
Margaret, who also thanks the newsgroupers, was thrilled to pick up a prize. 
She was grateful for the excellent company as well (she lost her hubby only 
a couple of months ago and very nearly pulled out)

Anyway I should like to echo Chris's comments about Patshull Park - it is 
quite a nice golf course built around a former Capability Brown garden with 
supurb trees and not too long. I have been there a couple of times and would 
recommend it. They also have separate dining rooms for each group of 
golfers.
It's worth putting on the list of possibles.

newbryford wrote:
> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
> 
> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
> 
> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mick
> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
> good deal!!

I am hereabouts, although probably (as Demetri suggested) slightly more 
silently than usual !

Thanks to everyone for their various suggestions - all much appreciated. 
    I am not remotely near making any sort of decision just yet, but 
suspect that, unless someone wants to pitch in and offer to take up the 
reins, we will probably be sticking with the tried and tested type of 
venue that has served us to this point.  Although it probably would be 
nice to up the ante and try something along the lines of Malcolm's 
suggestion of two rounds at established clubs with accommodation 
separate, this fills me with no little trepidation.

It could be up to three times the level of organisation required, with 
any problem at any one venue having a detrimental effect on the whole 
event.  Costs would be considerably greater, which will limit the 
uptake.  And finally, we would (I expect) be steered away from any 
weekend day at private clubs.  It is certainly my impression that the 
Sunday/Monday format is the best compromise for the majority of 
attendees in terms of personal time off, work time off, and travel 
considerations.

The possibility of returning to Hill Valley has been raised by a couple 
of contributors - although it's not clear what (if anything) has been 
done to the courses, a short trip around the website reveals the hotel 
complex has been upgraded beyond recognition.  I would not get too 
optimistic about playing twice around the better course however, as we 
did manage in 2000 and 2001.  Still, a possibility unless anyone 
absolutely loathed the venue ?

Puckrup Hall has also been mentioned quite a bit, so I will look into 
that.  I'm also well aware of the reputation of several course in the 
Notts area, but think perhaps heading out into Lincolnshire might be a 
bit too far away for some.  (That said, I think we'd have a great time 
at Woodhall Spa ;-))  Notts may seem a fair way away, but it may be more 
palatable to the Southern contingent to motor further up the M1 than to 
branch off onto the M6 and deal with getting past Birmingham ?


Anyway, keep your thoughts coming and I will take everything on board 
before coming to any conclusions.  I am far busier now than was the case 
back in 2004 (have to do some actual work for a start), so it will be a 
slower process, but we will get there.

As for when, I think we should move back to early May (between the two 
bank holiday weekends).  The weather is generally more reliable, most 
courses will have had some decent growing conditions, and the effect on 
"deal" prices is not all that large.  If that meets with general approval ?


Good to see everyone, old and new faces alike, at the Forest of Arden a 
fortnight ago.  Having had time to think that over, *I* would go back, 
on balance, but am mindful of the varied concerns of many folks.  The 
balance of opinion, it seems, is to look elsewhere.  This is, of course, 
no adverse comment at all on Bill's efforts at organising this year's 
event.  The salmon was terrific, Bill, and I'm saving the champagne for 
my daughter's driving test pass !

-- 
John

"John Laird"  wrote in message 
news:481f682f$0$10639$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
> newbryford wrote:
>> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
>> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
>> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
>> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
>>
>> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
>> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
>>
>> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mick
>> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
>> good deal!!
>
> I am hereabouts, although probably (as Demetri suggested) slightly more 
> silently than usual !
>
> Thanks to everyone for their various suggestions - all much appreciated. I 
> am not remotely near making any sort of decision just yet, but suspect 
> that, unless someone wants to pitch in and offer to take up the reins, we 
> will probably be sticking with the tried and tested type of venue that has 
> served us to this point.  Although it probably would be nice to up the 
> ante and try something along the lines of Malcolm's suggestion of two 
> rounds at established clubs with accommodation separate, this fills me 
> with no little trepidation.
>
> It could be up to three times the level of organisation required, with any 
> problem at any one venue having a detrimental effect on the whole event. 
> Costs would be considerably greater, which will limit the uptake.  And 
> finally, we would (I expect) be steered away from any weekend day at 
> private clubs.  It is certainly my impression that the Sunday/Monday 
> format is the best compromise for the majority of attendees in terms of 
> personal time off, work time off, and travel considerations.
>
> The possibility of returning to Hill Valley has been raised by a couple of 
> contributors - although it's not clear what (if anything) has been done to 
> the courses, a short trip around the website reveals the hotel complex has 
> been upgraded beyond recognition.  I would not get too optimistic about 
> playing twice around the better course however, as we did manage in 2000 
> and 2001.  Still, a possibility unless anyone absolutely loathed the venue 
> ?
>
> Puckrup Hall has also been mentioned quite a bit, so I will look into 
> that.  I'm also well aware of the reputation of several course in the 
> Notts area, but think perhaps heading out into Lincolnshire might be a bit 
> too far away for some.  (That said, I think we'd have a great time at 
> Woodhall Spa ;-))  Notts may seem a fair way away, but it may be more 
> palatable to the Southern contingent to motor further up the M1 than to 
> branch off onto the M6 and deal with getting past Birmingham ?
>
>
> Anyway, keep your thoughts coming and I will take everything on board 
> before coming to any conclusions.  I am far busier now than was the case 
> back in 2004 (have to do some actual work for a start), so it will be a 
> slower process, but we will get there.
>
> As for when, I think we should move back to early May (between the two 
> bank holiday weekends).  The weather is generally more reliable, most 
> courses will have had some decent growing conditions, and the effect on 
> "deal" prices is not all that large.  If that meets with general approval 
> ?
>
>
> Good to see everyone, old and new faces alike, at the Forest of Arden a 
> fortnight ago.  Having had time to think that over, *I* would go back, on 
> balance, but am mindful of the varied concerns of many folks.  The balance 
> of opinion, it seems, is to look elsewhere.  This is, of course, no 
> adverse comment at all on Bill's efforts at organising this year's event. 
> The salmon was terrific, Bill, and I'm saving the champagne for my 
> daughter's driving test pass !
>
> -- 
> John

I would certainly be in favour of moving back to mid May - the rain is 
warmer!

Woodhall Spa would be great for those who have never played the courses but 
they are not easy, particularly the Hotchkin.
http://www.woodhallspagolf.com/welcome/
I note handicap certicates are required which may be a problem to some.

Congratulations in winning the Williams Cup for a second time.

Malcolm

M L Wadsworth wrote:
> "John Laird"  wrote in message
> news:481f682f$0$10639$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
> > newbryford wrote:
> >> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
> >> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
> >> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
> >> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
> >>
> >> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
> >> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
> >>
> >> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Mick
> >> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
> >> good deal!!
> >
> > I am hereabouts, although probably (as Demetri suggested) slightly more
> > silently than usual !
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for their various suggestions - all much appreciated. I
> > am not remotely near making any sort of decision just yet, but suspect
> > that, unless someone wants to pitch in and offer to take up the reins, we
> > will probably be sticking with the tried and tested type of venue that has
> > served us to this point.  Although it probably would be nice to up the
> > ante and try something along the lines of Malcolm's suggestion of two
> > rounds at established clubs with accommodation separate, this fills me
> > with no little trepidation.
> >
> > It could be up to three times the level of organisation required, with any
> > problem at any one venue having a detrimental effect on the whole event.
> > Costs would be considerably greater, which will limit the uptake.  And
> > finally, we would (I expect) be steered away from any weekend day at
> > private clubs.  It is certainly my impression that the Sunday/Monday
> > format is the best compromise for the majority of attendees in terms of
> > personal time off, work time off, and travel considerations.
> >
> > The possibility of returning to Hill Valley has been raised by a couple of
> > contributors - although it's not clear what (if anything) has been done to
> > the courses, a short trip around the website reveals the hotel complex has
> > been upgraded beyond recognition.  I would not get too optimistic about
> > playing twice around the better course however, as we did manage in 2000
> > and 2001.  Still, a possibility unless anyone absolutely loathed the venue
> > ?
> >
> > Puckrup Hall has also been mentioned quite a bit, so I will look into
> > that.  I'm also well aware of the reputation of several course in the
> > Notts area, but think perhaps heading out into Lincolnshire might be a bit
> > too far away for some.  (That said, I think we'd have a great time at
> > Woodhall Spa ;-))  Notts may seem a fair way away, but it may be more
> > palatable to the Southern contingent to motor further up the M1 than to
> > branch off onto the M6 and deal with getting past Birmingham ?
> >
> >
> > Anyway, keep your thoughts coming and I will take everything on board
> > before coming to any conclusions.  I am far busier now than was the case
> > back in 2004 (have to do some actual work for a start), so it will be a
> > slower process, but we will get there.
> >
> > As for when, I think we should move back to early May (between the two
> > bank holiday weekends).  The weather is generally more reliable, most
> > courses will have had some decent growing conditions, and the effect on
> > "deal" prices is not all that large.  If that meets with general approval
> > ?
> >
> >
> > Good to see everyone, old and new faces alike, at the Forest of Arden a
> > fortnight ago.  Having had time to think that over, *I* would go back, on
> > balance, but am mindful of the varied concerns of many folks.  The balance
> > of opinion, it seems, is to look elsewhere.  This is, of course, no
> > adverse comment at all on Bill's efforts at organising this year's event.
> > The salmon was terrific, Bill, and I'm saving the champagne for my
> > daughter's driving test pass !
> >
> > --
> > John
>
> I would certainly be in favour of moving back to mid May - the rain is
> warmer!
>
> Woodhall Spa would be great for those who have never played the courses but
> they are not easy, particularly the Hotchkin.
> http://www.woodhallspagolf.com/welcome/
> I note handicap certicates are required which may be a problem to some.
>
> Congratulations in winning the Williams Cup for a second time.
>
> Malcolm

Woodhall is a lovely track,  and several decent local hotels as well.
Last time I played it was with the Laird and John Hallas,  very nice
day.

"Chris"  wrote in message 
news:9ZKdncP1NoIh1oLVnZ2dnUVZ8sCknZ2d@bt.com...
>M L Wadsworth wrote:
>> "Chris"  wrote in message 
>> news:7q2dncsiauk4QoDVRVnyhAA@bt.com...
>>> newbryford wrote:
>>>> I know it's a way to go, particularly the Sandy boys, but The Borders
>>>> area has some fantastic courses. I played up there a few years back
>>>> with a "Freedom of the Fariways" pass. I would guess that The Scottish
>>>> Tourist Board would be a good place to start.
>>>>
>>>> For a Midlands venue - how about the Hilton Puckrup Hall near
>>>> Tewkesbury - about 5 mins off the M5.
>>>>
>>>> Forest Pines near Scunthorpe is also rated as a "Society-type" venue.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mick
>>>> p.s. I'm sure The Laird will be watching and ready to pounce with a
>>>> good deal!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'll add another to the list of possibles, Patshull near Wolverhampton.
>>>
>>> I am reliably informed it is a course which is in good condition in late 
>>> April/early May.
>>>
>>> Chris B
>>
>> Patshull Park is excellent and looks after societies very well.
>> It being up near Hill Valley is more North than South for comfort.
>>
>> I have an opinion as to why the South don't win often. Its because the 
>> Northerners always win the Williams cup and pick a course close enough to 
>> home where the North all go for secret practice rounds while the 
>> Southerners arrive bushed having trekked hundreds of miles through the 
>> dense traffic of the South from places like Plymouth, Southampton and 
>> Dover ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Malcolm
>> PS - How did your Rabbits event go on 8th April?
>>
>>
> Malcolm,
>
> I'm reliably informed that Patshull is near Wolverhampton, thats a couple 
> of hours from the north too! Autoroute has it 125 from here(2hrs)
> & 135 from Hyde Park, London (2.25hrs)
>
> I only suggested it because of it's reputation as a good course early in 
> the year.
>
> The "Meet the Rabbits" evening was a total success we managed to attract 
> 36 golfers, of which 20 or so were new to the club. We recruited all of 
> them to the section. The quiz was perfect for the event, the only coughs & 
> grumbles were from golfers who thought they knew all the rules! Good job 
> the club Captain was on hand to adjudicate, with the decisions book by his 
> side (some people just wouldn't accept my word!)
> The best score was 17 from the 2006 Rabbits Captain! so it was as well I 
> didn't try your first quiz! ;-)
>
> So with your help we have more Rabbit Golfers than ever (the record for 
> 2004 stands at 109) our numbers are 85, 20 better than last season.
> Many thanks Malcolm, I owe you a round of golf, when can you come up?
>
> Chris
>
I'm glad the evening went well and the quiz we finally ended up with was at 
the right level.
I don't know why the Captain had to adjudicate though:  I thought I had sent 
you the answers with the Rule references listed?

I look forward to that game of golf. May be I can get up there for the next 
Northern meet.

Cheers,
Malcolm
>