Today I learned that my club intends to take the following action:
If a player has not returned 3 cards during 2008 he will not be allowed to
play in any 'board' competitions during 2009 although he will be allowed to
play in medal or stableford competitions. I am informed that this is the
result of the new Congu handicapping regulations as complied with by the
EGU.
I also learned that my club intends to not accept friendly play as a basis
for a general play adjustment of handicaps. The club state that the new EGU
regulations state that only formal competition rounds can be used for this
purpose.
I have not seen the new Congu rules or the new EGU rules but find it hard to
believe that the new things I have mentioned are obligatory.

Am I out of date

-- 
Denis

"Denis Cary"  wrote in message 
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> Today I learned that my club intends to take the following action:
> If a player has not returned 3 cards during 2008 he will not be allowed to
> play in any 'board' competitions during 2009 although he will be allowed 
> to
> play in medal or stableford competitions. I am informed that this is the
> result of the new Congu handicapping regulations as complied with by the
> EGU.
> I also learned that my club intends to not accept friendly play as a basis
> for a general play adjustment of handicaps. The club state that the new 
> EGU
> regulations state that only formal competition rounds can be used for this
> purpose.
> I have not seen the new Congu rules or the new EGU rules but find it hard 
> to
> believe that the new things I have mentioned are obligatory.
>
> Am I out of date
>
> -- 
> Denis
>

Denis,

It is a hard slog to read through, but the new edition of the Unified 
Handicapping System can mostly be found at www.congu.com

The UHS provides for handicaps to lapse if members have not played in a 
specified number of qualifying competitions within the year between annual 
reviews (roughly March to February the following year).
It is for National Unions to specify the number, or alternatively, opt not 
to lapse handicaps at all.
In Scotland and Ireland they lapse handicaps: in England they don't (I'm not 
sure what Wales do).

Since in England, handicaps do not lapse, many clubs require that those 
entering their more serious handicapped competitions, to have played in a 
given number of qualifying competitions during the preceding 12 months 
(usually a rolling 12 months).

This year, I think for the first time for men, members may put in a card for 
handicap purposes. They must declare their intention to do so before 
starting; they must play a measured course and the marker must be a 
responsible person approved by the Handicap Committee.  These are called 
Supplementary Scores.  The ladies used to have Extra Day Scores under the 
LGU SSS&HS prior to 2004, but the facility was dropped for the UHS.   Its 
back in, I guess as a result of pressure from the ladies golf associations.

The facility to submit Supplementary Scores reduces the need for general 
play adjustments but does not remove it.

HTH,

Malcolm

<snip>
> It is a hard slog to read through, but the new edition of the Unified 
> Handicapping System can mostly be found at www.congu.com
>
> The UHS provides for handicaps to lapse if members have not played in a 
> specified number of qualifying competitions within the year between annual 
> reviews (roughly March to February the following year).
> It is for National Unions to specify the number, or alternatively, opt not 
> to lapse handicaps at all.
> In Scotland and Ireland they lapse handicaps: in England they don't (I'm 
> not sure what Wales do).
>
<snip>

Hi Malcolm,

Currently I can only find the 2004 to 2007 UHS rules on www.congu.com; am I 
missing a link to the updated web site?

BTW, A small correction; Handicaps do not currently lapse in Ireland, only 
Scotland. We are still waiting to hear if the Irish Men are to adopt lapsing 
of Handicaps from 2008 onwards.

Regards,
--
Nick Perkins
HandicapMaster Ltd

"M L Wadsworth"  wrote in 
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>
> "Denis Cary"  wrote in message 
> news:fn4t5s$aee$2@aioe.org...
>> Today I learned that my club intends to take the following action:
>> If a player has not returned 3 cards during 2008 he will not be allowed 
>> to
>> play in any 'board' competitions during 2009 although he will be allowed 
>> to
>> play in medal or stableford competitions. I am informed that this is the
>> result of the new Congu handicapping regulations as complied with by the
>> EGU.
>> I also learned that my club intends to not accept friendly play as a 
>> basis
>> for a general play adjustment of handicaps. The club state that the new 
>> EGU
>> regulations state that only formal competition rounds can be used for 
>> this
>> purpose.
>> I have not seen the new Congu rules or the new EGU rules but find it hard 
>> to
>> believe that the new things I have mentioned are obligatory.
>>
>> Am I out of date
>>
>> -- 
>> Denis
>>
>
> Denis,
>
> It is a hard slog to read through, but the new edition of the Unified 
> Handicapping System can mostly be found at www.congu.com
>
> The UHS provides for handicaps to lapse if members have not played in a 
> specified number of qualifying competitions within the year between annual 
> reviews (roughly March to February the following year).
> It is for National Unions to specify the number, or alternatively, opt not 
> to lapse handicaps at all.
> In Scotland and Ireland they lapse handicaps: in England they don't (I'm 
> not sure what Wales do).
>
> Since in England, handicaps do not lapse, many clubs require that those 
> entering their more serious handicapped competitions, to have played in a 
> given number of qualifying competitions during the preceding 12 months 
> (usually a rolling 12 months).
>
> This year, I think for the first time for men, members may put in a card 
> for handicap purposes. They must declare their intention to do so before 
> starting; they must play a measured course and the marker must be a 
> responsible person approved by the Handicap Committee.  These are called 
> Supplementary Scores.  The ladies used to have Extra Day Scores under the 
> LGU SSS&HS prior to 2004, but the facility was dropped for the UHS.   Its 
> back in, I guess as a result of pressure from the ladies golf 
> associations.
>
> The facility to submit Supplementary Scores reduces the need for general 
> play adjustments but does not remove it.
>
> HTH,
>
> Malcolm
>
>

Thank you Malcolm.
    It is as I thought -  The Club is trying to pass off the responsibility 
for their decisions to a higher authority by implying that they have no 
choice but to go down that path.
Whilst agree with some of the decisions they have made I wish they had been 
more open about where responsibility lies.

Denis

-- 
Denis

Denis Cary wrote:
> Today I learned that my club intends to take the following action:
> If a player has not returned 3 cards during 2008 he will not be allowed to
> play in any 'board' competitions during 2009 although he will be allowed to
> play in medal or stableford competitions. I am informed that this is the
> result of the new Congu handicapping regulations as complied with by the
> EGU.
> I also learned that my club intends to not accept friendly play as a basis
> for a general play adjustment of handicaps. The club state that the new EGU
> regulations state that only formal competition rounds can be used for this
> purpose.
> I have not seen the new Congu rules or the new EGU rules but find it 
> hard to
> believe that the new things I have mentioned are obligatory.
> 
> Am I out of date
> 


Oz handicaps lapse if less than five cards returned during 12 months Jan 
1 to Dec 31.

cheers
david

"Nick Perkins"  wrote in message 
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> <snip>
>> It is a hard slog to read through, but the new edition of the Unified 
>> Handicapping System can mostly be found at www.congu.com
>>
>> The UHS provides for handicaps to lapse if members have not played in a 
>> specified number of qualifying competitions within the year between 
>> annual reviews (roughly March to February the following year).
>> It is for National Unions to specify the number, or alternatively, opt 
>> not to lapse handicaps at all.
>> In Scotland and Ireland they lapse handicaps: in England they don't (I'm 
>> not sure what Wales do).
>>
> <snip>
>
> Hi Malcolm,
>
> Currently I can only find the 2004 to 2007 UHS rules on www.congu.com; am 
> I missing a link to the updated web site?
>
> BTW, A small correction; Handicaps do not currently lapse in Ireland, only 
> Scotland. We are still waiting to hear if the Irish Men are to adopt 
> lapsing of Handicaps from 2008 onwards.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Nick Perkins
> HandicapMaster Ltd

Thank you for the correction re Ireland.
I realised after I had posted, that I should have held back awhile in case 
you were on-line, as you are the expert in this field.

Having checked the Congu website, I agree it is not yet covering the new 
version.  I should have checked more carefully.
I had read the book from cover to cover and had entered the website at the 
page on Matchplay Allowances.
I expect because that page related to 2008, I assumed the rest of the 
website did.

I guess they want to sell all the books they can first!

Regards,
Malcolm

> This year, I think for the first time for men, members may put in a card 
> for handicap purposes. They must declare their intention to do so before 
> starting; they must play a measured course and the marker must be a 
> responsible person approved by the Handicap Committee.  These are called 
> Supplementary Scores.  The ladies used to have Extra Day Scores under the 
> LGU SSS&HS prior to 2004, but the facility was dropped for the UHS.   Its 
> back in, I guess as a result of pressure from the ladies golf 
> associations.
>
> The facility to submit Supplementary Scores reduces the need for general 
> play adjustments but does not remove it.
>
> HTH,
>
> Malcolm


I think you can only do a Supplementary Score if you have played in less 
than 10 qualifying rounds during the previous year

I didn't realise they are designed to replace general play adjustments 
though????

"MaggieB"  wrote in message 
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>
>
>> This year, I think for the first time for men, members may put in a card 
>> for handicap purposes. They must declare their intention to do so before 
>> starting; they must play a measured course and the marker must be a 
>> responsible person approved by the Handicap Committee.  These are called 
>> Supplementary Scores.  The ladies used to have Extra Day Scores under the 
>> LGU SSS&HS prior to 2004, but the facility was dropped for the UHS.   Its 
>> back in, I guess as a result of pressure from the ladies golf 
>> associations.
>>
>> The facility to submit Supplementary Scores reduces the need for general 
>> play adjustments but does not remove it.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Malcolm
>
>
> I think you can only do a Supplementary Score if you have played in less 
> than 10 qualifying rounds during the previous year
>
> I didn't realise they are designed to replace general play adjustments 
> though????
>
>

I think the number is 'less than 6 rounds'

I see no indication that this is a replacement to adjustments relating to 
General Play but is more like an addition thereto.


-- 
Denis

"Denis Cary"  wrote in message 
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> "MaggieB"  wrote in message 
> news:Bx3mj.53006$Hc3.40209@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...

>>
>> I think you can only do a Supplementary Score if you have played in less 
>> than 10 qualifying rounds during the previous year
>>
>> I didn't realise they are designed to replace general play adjustments 
>> though????
>>
>>
>
> I think the number is 'less than 6 rounds'
>
> I see no indication that this is a replacement to adjustments relating to 
> General Play but is more like an addition thereto.
>
>
> -- 
> Denis

I did not say it was a replacement, I said:
"The facility to submit Supplementary Scores reduces the need for general 
play adjustments but does not remove it."

Supplementary Scores may only be submitted by players who have at the time 
of each, played in less than 7 qualifying competitions that year.
A player may not submit more than 10 Supplementary Scores in any one year.
Supplementary Scores may only be submitted by players in Categories 2-5.

Malcolm

Thanks Malcolm,

I just wanted to check I had not missed the new site (having the old one 
cached or something!),

-- 
Nick Perkins
HandicapMaster Ltd