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date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:00:15 -0400,    group: uk.sport.golf        back       
retrogression formulae   
I'm sure the rules for tie-breaking retrogressions are different in each 
country / association, but I have been unable to find anything on-line about 
how any group breaks ties, except with a playoff for a gross score champion. 
Does anyone here have a link to something like this?

thanks
Liz
date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:00:15 -0400   author:   LizG

Re: retrogression formulae   
"LizG"  writes:

> I'm sure the rules for tie-breaking retrogressions are different in each 
> country / association, but I have been unable to find anything on-line about 
> how any group breaks ties, except with a playoff for a gross score champion. 
> Does anyone here have a link to something like this?

Liz, have you read the recommendations in Appendix I; Part C of
the Rules of Golf?

-- 
             Leon Chamae
             Directeur du Personnel
             Bureau de Change
date: 27 Aug 2007 10:58:56 -0400   author:   Leon Chamae

Re: retrogression formulae   
"Leon Chamae"  wrote in message 
news:bazwsvhqb0v.fsf@alpha.luckytrout.com...
> "LizG"  writes:
>
>> I'm sure the rules for tie-breaking retrogressions are different in each
>> country / association, but I have been unable to find anything on-line 
>> about
>> how any group breaks ties, except with a playoff for a gross score 
>> champion.
>> Does anyone here have a link to something like this?
>
> Liz, have you read the recommendations in Appendix I; Part C of
> the Rules of Golf?
>
> -- 
>             Leon Chamae
>             Directeur du Personnel
>             Bureau de Change

Yes, thanks, I had read that, but I'm sure our Club Captain had a book at 
one time from the provincial golf association which outlined how to break 
ties, with the formats for multiple day events, and handicap stroke play. It 
outlined how to count back, and how much of each person's handicap would be 
counted, etc., and I was trying to find a site which had that type of thing 
spelled out.  I guess we'll contact our provincial association and try to 
get a new Captain's Manual.

thanks
Liz
date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:53:35 -0400   author:   LizG

Re: retrogression formulae   
LizG wrote:
> "Leon Chamae"  wrote in message 
> news:bazwsvhqb0v.fsf@alpha.luckytrout.com...
>> "LizG"  writes:
>>
>>> I'm sure the rules for tie-breaking retrogressions are different in each
>>> country / association, but I have been unable to find anything on-line 
>>> about
>>> how any group breaks ties, except with a playoff for a gross score 
>>> champion.
>>> Does anyone here have a link to something like this?


Liz,

The following is extracted from the 'Golf Australia' pdf on 'Competition 
and Course Management Procedures', to be found at:-

http://www.golfaustralia.org.au/default.aspx?s=rules

'Golf Australia' is the governing body for golf in Australia. (duh!)

Quote

> How to Decide Ties

> The following guidelines include extracts from Appendix 1 in the Rules of Golf booklet.

> MATCH PLAY
> A match which ends all square should be played off hole-by-hole until one side wins a hole. The play-off
> should start on the hole where the match began. In a handicap match, handicap strokes should be
> allowed as in the prescribed round.

> STROKE PLAY
> (a) In the event of a tie in a scratch stroke play competition, a play-off is recommended. Such a playoff
> may be over 18 holes or a smaller number of holes as specified by the Committee. If that is not
> feasible or there is still a tie, a hole-by-hole play-off is recommended.
> (b) In the event of a tie in a handicap stroke play competition, a play-off with handicaps is
> recommended. Such a play-off may be over 18 holes or a smaller number of holes as specified by
> the Committee. If the play-off is less than 18 holes the percentage of 18 holes to be played should
> be applied to the players’ handicaps to determine their play-off handicaps. Handicap stroke
> fractions of one-half stroke or more should count as a full stroke and any lesser fraction should be
> disregarded.
> (c) I) In either a scratch or handicap stroke play competition, if a play-off of any type is not feasible,
> matching score cards is recommended (this is the default count-back method in Australia if a
> Committee’s conditions of competition don’t specify otherwise). The method of matching
> cards should be announced in advance. An acceptable method of matching cards for an 18-
> hole competition is to determine the winner on the basis of the best score for the last nine
> holes. If the tying players have the same score for the last nine, determine the winner on the
> basis of the last six holes, last three holes, and finally hole-by-hole from the 18th hole. If this
> method is used in a handicap stroke play competition, one-half, one-third, one-sixth, etc of the
> handicaps should be deducted. Fractions should not be disregarded. If this method is used in
> a competition with a multiple-tee start, it is recommended that the “last nine holes, last six
> holes, etc” is considered to be holes 10-18, 13-18, etc.
> If the conditions of the competition provide that ties are to be decided over the last nine, last
> six, last three, and last hole, they should also provide what will happen if this procedure does
> not produce a winner.
> In 36, 54, and 72-hole events, the last 18 holes shall be used and if still tied count-back as per
> an 18-hole round. In 27-hole events, the 18-hole card shall be used in the first instance.
> In 9-hole events, the best score for the last 6 holes shall be used; if there is still a tie the last 3
> holes, if a tie still persists then hole-by-hole from the 9th.
> II) An alternative count-back method is to use exact handicaps. If the conditions of the
> competition provide that ties are to be decided in this way, they should also provide what will
> happen if this procedure does not produce a winner.

unquote.

Hope this helps!

cheers
david
date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:31:14 +1000   author:   david s-a

Re: retrogression formulae   
Thanks - this is more detailed than anything else I've been able to find.

Liz

> Liz,
>
> The following is extracted from the 'Golf Australia' pdf on 'Competition 
> and Course Management Procedures', to be found at:-
>
> http://www.golfaustralia.org.au/default.aspx?s=rules
>
> 'Golf Australia' is the governing body for golf in Australia. (duh!)
>
> Quote
>
>> How to Decide Ties
>
>> The following guidelines include extracts from Appendix 1 in the Rules of 
>> Golf booklet.
>
>> MATCH PLAY
>> A match which ends all square should be played off hole-by-hole until one 
>> side wins a hole. The play-off
>> should start on the hole where the match began. In a handicap match, 
>> handicap strokes should be
>> allowed as in the prescribed round.
>
>> STROKE PLAY
>> (a) In the event of a tie in a scratch stroke play competition, a 
>> play-off is recommended. Such a playoff
>> may be over 18 holes or a smaller number of holes as specified by the 
>> Committee. If that is not
>> feasible or there is still a tie, a hole-by-hole play-off is recommended.
>> (b) In the event of a tie in a handicap stroke play competition, a 
>> play-off with handicaps is
>> recommended. Such a play-off may be over 18 holes or a smaller number of 
>> holes as specified by
>> the Committee. If the play-off is less than 18 holes the percentage of 18 
>> holes to be played should
>> be applied to the players’ handicaps to determine their play-off 
>> handicaps. Handicap stroke
>> fractions of one-half stroke or more should count as a full stroke and 
>> any lesser fraction should be
>> disregarded.
>> (c) I) In either a scratch or handicap stroke play competition, if a 
>> play-off of any type is not feasible,
>> matching score cards is recommended (this is the default count-back 
>> method in Australia if a
>> Committee’s conditions of competition don’t specify otherwise). The 
>> method of matching
>> cards should be announced in advance. An acceptable method of matching 
>> cards for an 18-
>> hole competition is to determine the winner on the basis of the best 
>> score for the last nine
>> holes. If the tying players have the same score for the last nine, 
>> determine the winner on the
>> basis of the last six holes, last three holes, and finally hole-by-hole 
>> from the 18th hole. If this
>> method is used in a handicap stroke play competition, one-half, 
>> one-third, one-sixth, etc of the
>> handicaps should be deducted. Fractions should not be disregarded. If 
>> this method is used in
>> a competition with a multiple-tee start, it is recommended that the “last 
>> nine holes, last six
>> holes, etc” is considered to be holes 10-18, 13-18, etc.
>> If the conditions of the competition provide that ties are to be decided 
>> over the last nine, last
>> six, last three, and last hole, they should also provide what will happen 
>> if this procedure does
>> not produce a winner.
>> In 36, 54, and 72-hole events, the last 18 holes shall be used and if 
>> still tied count-back as per
>> an 18-hole round. In 27-hole events, the 18-hole card shall be used in 
>> the first instance.
>> In 9-hole events, the best score for the last 6 holes shall be used; if 
>> there is still a tie the last 3
>> holes, if a tie still persists then hole-by-hole from the 9th.
>> II) An alternative count-back method is to use exact handicaps. If the 
>> conditions of the
>> competition provide that ties are to be decided in this way, they should 
>> also provide what will
>> happen if this procedure does not produce a winner.
>
> unquote.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> cheers
> david
date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:05:23 -0400   author:   LizG

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