Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
A. Eric Axley.

Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays two 
rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those greens and 
yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!

Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
 wrote:

>Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>> 
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>> 
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>> 
>> JPW
>
>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>thing.

Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.

The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
and 147th in the birdie conversion list.

The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
 Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
 Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
 Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
 Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
 Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th 

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>  wrote:
>
>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>thing.
>
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>
> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>
> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>
> Crispin Roche


I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.

Denis

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
wrote:

>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>
>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>>
>>>> JPW
>>>
>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>thing.
>>
>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>
>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>
>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>
>> Crispin Roche
>
>
>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.
>


Denis,

what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:b28g73t3mkq5l26afttgpvr7sq8cp7aqua@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
> wrote:
>
>>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message
>>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>>>> plays
>>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>>
>>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd 
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> JPW
>>>>
>>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>>
>>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>>
>>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>>
>>> Crispin Roche
>>
>>
>>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as
>>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an
>>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard
>>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the
>>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point
>>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one
>>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included 
>>then
>>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in 
>>regulation.
>>
>
>
> Denis,
>
> what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
> neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
> ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
> but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
> fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.
>
> Crispin Roche


I agree! The simple stats taken by themselves may not give the correct 
answers.

Denis

Crispin Roche wrote:

>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>> thing.
> 
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot

I agree.

Last week I won my club's putting trophy. I had four rounds of 27, 31, 
31 and 27 ... my last 27 consisted of 9 one-putt greens and 9 two-putt 
greens. Dropping off the worst score gave me a 3-round total of 85 
putts, about ten putts ahead of second.

But during that time my overall game was very ordinary. I managed to get 
good putting results for the purposes of the trophy by playing poorly 
from tee to green, then constantly chipping close for a one- or 
two-putt. The ideal is to get a few metres from the flag but have your 
ball just on the fringe ... the first shot doesn't count statistically 
as a putt!

A very iffy stat.

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"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
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> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
 wrote:

>Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>> 
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>> 
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>> 
>> JPW
>
>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>thing.

Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.

The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
and 147th in the birdie conversion list.

The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
 Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
 Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
 Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
 Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
 Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th 

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>  wrote:
>
>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>thing.
>
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>
> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>
> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>
> Crispin Roche


I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.

Denis

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
wrote:

>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>
>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>>
>>>> JPW
>>>
>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>thing.
>>
>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>
>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>
>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>
>> Crispin Roche
>
>
>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.
>


Denis,

what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:b28g73t3mkq5l26afttgpvr7sq8cp7aqua@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
> wrote:
>
>>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message
>>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>>>> plays
>>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>>
>>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd 
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> JPW
>>>>
>>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>>
>>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>>
>>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>>
>>> Crispin Roche
>>
>>
>>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as
>>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an
>>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard
>>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the
>>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point
>>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one
>>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included 
>>then
>>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in 
>>regulation.
>>
>
>
> Denis,
>
> what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
> neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
> ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
> but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
> fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.
>
> Crispin Roche


I agree! The simple stats taken by themselves may not give the correct 
answers.

Denis

Crispin Roche wrote:

>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>> thing.
> 
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot

I agree.

Last week I won my club's putting trophy. I had four rounds of 27, 31, 
31 and 27 ... my last 27 consisted of 9 one-putt greens and 9 two-putt 
greens. Dropping off the worst score gave me a 3-round total of 85 
putts, about ten putts ahead of second.

But during that time my overall game was very ordinary. I managed to get 
good putting results for the purposes of the trophy by playing poorly 
from tee to green, then constantly chipping close for a one- or 
two-putt. The ideal is to get a few metres from the flag but have your 
ball just on the fringe ... the first shot doesn't count statistically 
as a putt!

A very iffy stat.

-- 
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
------------------------------------------------------------------

mike short wrote:
> Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>>
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on 
>> those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than 
>> Monty!
>>
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>
>> JPW
> 
> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
> thing.

My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about golf. There 
was so little conversation about the latest major and once again it was won by 
what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".

[(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long time and 
won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his local kids) but 
never won a major before.]

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
 wrote:

>Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>> 
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>> 
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>> 
>> JPW
>
>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>thing.

Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.

The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
and 147th in the birdie conversion list.

The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
 Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
 Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
 Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
 Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
 Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th 

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>  wrote:
>
>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>thing.
>
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>
> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>
> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>
> Crispin Roche


I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.

Denis

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
wrote:

>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>
>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>>
>>>> JPW
>>>
>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>thing.
>>
>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>
>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>
>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>
>> Crispin Roche
>
>
>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.
>


Denis,

what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:b28g73t3mkq5l26afttgpvr7sq8cp7aqua@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
> wrote:
>
>>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message
>>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>>>> plays
>>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>>
>>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd 
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> JPW
>>>>
>>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>>
>>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>>
>>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>>
>>> Crispin Roche
>>
>>
>>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as
>>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an
>>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard
>>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the
>>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point
>>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one
>>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included 
>>then
>>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in 
>>regulation.
>>
>
>
> Denis,
>
> what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
> neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
> ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
> but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
> fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.
>
> Crispin Roche


I agree! The simple stats taken by themselves may not give the correct 
answers.

Denis

Crispin Roche wrote:

>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>> thing.
> 
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot

I agree.

Last week I won my club's putting trophy. I had four rounds of 27, 31, 
31 and 27 ... my last 27 consisted of 9 one-putt greens and 9 two-putt 
greens. Dropping off the worst score gave me a 3-round total of 85 
putts, about ten putts ahead of second.

But during that time my overall game was very ordinary. I managed to get 
good putting results for the purposes of the trophy by playing poorly 
from tee to green, then constantly chipping close for a one- or 
two-putt. The ideal is to get a few metres from the flag but have your 
ball just on the fringe ... the first shot doesn't count statistically 
as a putt!

A very iffy stat.

-- 
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
------------------------------------------------------------------

mike short wrote:
> Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>>
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on 
>> those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than 
>> Monty!
>>
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>
>> JPW
> 
> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
> thing.

My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about golf. There 
was so little conversation about the latest major and once again it was won by 
what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".

[(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long time and 
won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his local kids) but 
never won a major before.]

JPW

Pat Williams wrote:
> mike short wrote:
>> Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round 
>>> on those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better 
>>> than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show 
>> who had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the 
>> same thing.
> 
> My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about 
> golf. There was so little conversation about the latest major and once 
> again it was won by what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".
> 
> [(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long 
> time and won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his 
> local kids) but never won a major before.]
> 
> JPW

I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!

mike short wrote:

> I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
> by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
> backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!

And what has the US Open to do with the PGA Tour. As any self respecting 
golf fan with "any (golfing) credentials" would know the US Open is an 
USGA event and not a PGA Tour event.

And looking at the list of full exemptions for the
2007 US Open there are quite a few journeymen that have
been on the wrong side of a beating from me on more
than one occasion:

Ernie Els
Retief Goosen
Lee Janzen
Tiger Woods
Michael Campbell
Jim Furyk
Geoff Ogilvy
Richie Ramsay
John Kelly
Mike Weir
Zach Johnson
Ben Curtis
Todd Hamilton
Rich Beem
Shawn Micheel
Vijay Singh
Allen Doyle
Steve Stickler
Nick O'Hern
Ryuji Imada
Colin Montgomerie
Jeff Sluman
Luke Donald
Jim Furyk
Ian Poulter
Padraig Harrington
Kenneth Ferrie
Paul Casey
David Toms
Lucas Glover
Rory Sabbatini
Dean Wilson
Adam Scott
Joe Durant
Arron Oberholser
Chad Campbell
Stewart Cink
Tom Pernice Jr.
Davis Love III
Stephen Ames
Trevor Immelman
Rod Pampling
KJ Choi
Stuart Appleby
Carl Pettersson
JJ Henry
Brett Wetterich
Brett Quigley
Henrik Stenson
Sergio Garcia
David Howell
Anthony Wall
Robert Karlsson
Thomas Bjorn
Johan Edfors
Niclas Fasth
Shingo Katayama
Jeev Milkha Singh


Anyone for a game Tiger Woods PGA 07 ;)



-- 
Benway

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
 wrote:

>Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>> 
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>> 
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>> 
>> JPW
>
>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>thing.

Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.

The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
and 147th in the birdie conversion list.

The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
 Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
 Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
 Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
 Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
 Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th 

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>  wrote:
>
>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>thing.
>
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>
> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>
> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>
> Crispin Roche


I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.

Denis

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
wrote:

>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>
>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>>
>>>> JPW
>>>
>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>thing.
>>
>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>
>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>
>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>
>> Crispin Roche
>
>
>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.
>


Denis,

what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:b28g73t3mkq5l26afttgpvr7sq8cp7aqua@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
> wrote:
>
>>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message
>>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>>>> plays
>>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>>
>>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd 
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> JPW
>>>>
>>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>>
>>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>>
>>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>>
>>> Crispin Roche
>>
>>
>>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as
>>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an
>>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard
>>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the
>>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point
>>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one
>>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included 
>>then
>>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in 
>>regulation.
>>
>
>
> Denis,
>
> what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
> neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
> ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
> but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
> fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.
>
> Crispin Roche


I agree! The simple stats taken by themselves may not give the correct 
answers.

Denis

Crispin Roche wrote:

>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>> thing.
> 
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot

I agree.

Last week I won my club's putting trophy. I had four rounds of 27, 31, 
31 and 27 ... my last 27 consisted of 9 one-putt greens and 9 two-putt 
greens. Dropping off the worst score gave me a 3-round total of 85 
putts, about ten putts ahead of second.

But during that time my overall game was very ordinary. I managed to get 
good putting results for the purposes of the trophy by playing poorly 
from tee to green, then constantly chipping close for a one- or 
two-putt. The ideal is to get a few metres from the flag but have your 
ball just on the fringe ... the first shot doesn't count statistically 
as a putt!

A very iffy stat.

-- 
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
------------------------------------------------------------------

mike short wrote:
> Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>>
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on 
>> those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than 
>> Monty!
>>
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>
>> JPW
> 
> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
> thing.

My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about golf. There 
was so little conversation about the latest major and once again it was won by 
what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".

[(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long time and 
won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his local kids) but 
never won a major before.]

JPW

Pat Williams wrote:
> mike short wrote:
>> Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round 
>>> on those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better 
>>> than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show 
>> who had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the 
>> same thing.
> 
> My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about 
> golf. There was so little conversation about the latest major and once 
> again it was won by what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".
> 
> [(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long 
> time and won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his 
> local kids) but never won a major before.]
> 
> JPW

I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!

mike short wrote:

> I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
> by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
> backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!

And what has the US Open to do with the PGA Tour. As any self respecting 
golf fan with "any (golfing) credentials" would know the US Open is an 
USGA event and not a PGA Tour event.

And looking at the list of full exemptions for the
2007 US Open there are quite a few journeymen that have
been on the wrong side of a beating from me on more
than one occasion:

Ernie Els
Retief Goosen
Lee Janzen
Tiger Woods
Michael Campbell
Jim Furyk
Geoff Ogilvy
Richie Ramsay
John Kelly
Mike Weir
Zach Johnson
Ben Curtis
Todd Hamilton
Rich Beem
Shawn Micheel
Vijay Singh
Allen Doyle
Steve Stickler
Nick O'Hern
Ryuji Imada
Colin Montgomerie
Jeff Sluman
Luke Donald
Jim Furyk
Ian Poulter
Padraig Harrington
Kenneth Ferrie
Paul Casey
David Toms
Lucas Glover
Rory Sabbatini
Dean Wilson
Adam Scott
Joe Durant
Arron Oberholser
Chad Campbell
Stewart Cink
Tom Pernice Jr.
Davis Love III
Stephen Ames
Trevor Immelman
Rod Pampling
KJ Choi
Stuart Appleby
Carl Pettersson
JJ Henry
Brett Wetterich
Brett Quigley
Henrik Stenson
Sergio Garcia
David Howell
Anthony Wall
Robert Karlsson
Thomas Bjorn
Johan Edfors
Niclas Fasth
Shingo Katayama
Jeev Milkha Singh


Anyone for a game Tiger Woods PGA 07 ;)



-- 
Benway

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:4673b50c$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
>
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>
Pat how many greens in regulation has he got, if he's got a chip and a putt 
for bogey every hole putting an 18 average wouldn't even help.

Greetz Jan

Pat Williams wrote:
> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
> A. Eric Axley.
> 
> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
> 
> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
> 
> JPW

Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
thing.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
 wrote:

>Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>> 
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays 
>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those 
>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>> 
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>> 
>> JPW
>
>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>thing.

Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.

The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
and 147th in the birdie conversion list.

The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
 Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
 Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
 Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
 Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
 Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th 

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>  wrote:
>
>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>thing.
>
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>
> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>
> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>
> Crispin Roche


I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.

Denis

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
wrote:

>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who plays
>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>
>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>>
>>>> JPW
>>>
>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>thing.
>>
>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>
>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>
>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>
>> Crispin Roche
>
>
>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as 
>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an 
>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard 
>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the 
>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point 
>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one 
>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included then 
>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in regulation.
>


Denis,

what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.

Crispin Roche

"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message 
news:b28g73t3mkq5l26afttgpvr7sq8cp7aqua@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:43:36 +0100, "Denis Cary" 
> wrote:
>
>>"Crispin Roche"  wrote in message
>>news:gmtf73lnp1c277a3d217j6tdg2l4fok6as@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:42:53 GMT, mike short
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat Williams wrote:
>>>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>>>> plays
>>>>> two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on those
>>>>> greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than Monty!
>>>>>
>>>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd 
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> JPW
>>>>
>>>>Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who
>>>>had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
>>> us a lot but on the US PGA Tour, for example, they have a couple of
>>> stats which do give us a good idea as to who the best putter. Those
>>> stats are: putts per green in regulation (actually called putting
>>> average on the US Tour) and birdie conversion percentage.
>>>
>>> The aforementioned Erac Axley is 103rd in the putting average stats
>>> and 147th in the birdie conversion list.
>>>
>>> The best putters on the US PGA Tour are:
>>> Phil Mickelson 1st in putting average and 1st in birdie conversion
>>> Padraig Harrington 4th (tied) and 3rd
>>> Jonathan Byrd 4th (tied) and 6th
>>> Aaron Baddley 7th and 4th
>>> Nathan Green  2nd and 14th
>>> Justin Rose  4th (tied) and 10th
>>> Adam Scott 8th (tied) and 2nd
>>> Vijay Singh   8th (tied) and 7th
>>> Joe Ogilvie 12th and 9th
>>> Mark Calcavecchia 19th (tied) and 8th
>>> Charley Hoffman   19th (tied) and 15th
>>>
>>> Crispin Roche
>>
>>
>>I remember watching last years US Open. Whilst the green were not as
>>difficult as those for 2007. It was more difficult to stay on them with an
>>approach shot. Consequently many green were not 'reached' in the standard
>>number of strokes. There were many more shots than usual from just of the
>>green resulting in the ball then finishing close to the pin. At that point
>>no putt has been made. Many greens produced single putts and I believe one
>>player went round with just 20 putts. If these statistics were included 
>>then
>>would inflate one putting ability whilst deflating one greens in 
>>regulation.
>>
>
>
> Denis,
>
> what you are talking about is the simple putts per round stat which
> neither I nor Mike S believe gives any indication of relative putting
> ability.  It might say something about a player's overall short game
> but that's it.   Well not quite, almost invariably the player with the
> fewest putts over the 4 rounds of an event wins it.
>
> Crispin Roche


I agree! The simple stats taken by themselves may not give the correct 
answers.

Denis

Crispin Roche wrote:

>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
>> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
>> thing.
> 
> Yes the "classic" putting stat - putts per round - doesn't really tell
> us a lot

I agree.

Last week I won my club's putting trophy. I had four rounds of 27, 31, 
31 and 27 ... my last 27 consisted of 9 one-putt greens and 9 two-putt 
greens. Dropping off the worst score gave me a 3-round total of 85 
putts, about ten putts ahead of second.

But during that time my overall game was very ordinary. I managed to get 
good putting results for the purposes of the trophy by playing poorly 
from tee to green, then constantly chipping close for a one- or 
two-putt. The ideal is to get a few metres from the flag but have your 
ball just on the fringe ... the first shot doesn't count statistically 
as a putt!

A very iffy stat.

-- 
Cheers
Colin Wilson
------------------------------------------------------------------
Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Barnbougle Dunes: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/barnbougle
------------------------------------------------------------------

mike short wrote:
> Pat Williams wrote:
>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>> A. Eric Axley.
>>
>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round on 
>> those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better than 
>> Monty!
>>
>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>
>> JPW
> 
> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show who 
> had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the same 
> thing.

My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about golf. There 
was so little conversation about the latest major and once again it was won by 
what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".

[(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long time and 
won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his local kids) but 
never won a major before.]

JPW

Pat Williams wrote:
> mike short wrote:
>> Pat Williams wrote:
>>> Q. Who is the best putter in the current US Open?
>>> A. Eric Axley.
>>>
>>> Here is a player who, personally, I have never heard of before who 
>>> plays two rounds with an average of 25.5 (28 and 23)putts per round 
>>> on those greens and yet doesn't make the cut. Thats 17 putts better 
>>> than Monty!
>>>
>>> Olazabal is third best putter with 27,28 and he is still in 33rd place.
>>>
>>> JPW
>>
>> Putting statistics do not reveal the 'best putter' rather they show 
>> who had the least number of putts on the putting surface - its not the 
>> same thing.
> 
> My thoughtless mis-statement at least got some people talking about 
> golf. There was so little conversation about the latest major and once 
> again it was won by what some would call a relative "backwoodsman".
> 
> [(Definition of "backwoodsman") Someone who has been around for a long 
> time and won quite a few pounds and dollars ( and given a lot to his 
> local kids) but never won a major before.]
> 
> JPW

I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!

mike short wrote:

> I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
> by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
> backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!

And what has the US Open to do with the PGA Tour. As any self respecting 
golf fan with "any (golfing) credentials" would know the US Open is an 
USGA event and not a PGA Tour event.

And looking at the list of full exemptions for the
2007 US Open there are quite a few journeymen that have
been on the wrong side of a beating from me on more
than one occasion:

Ernie Els
Retief Goosen
Lee Janzen
Tiger Woods
Michael Campbell
Jim Furyk
Geoff Ogilvy
Richie Ramsay
John Kelly
Mike Weir
Zach Johnson
Ben Curtis
Todd Hamilton
Rich Beem
Shawn Micheel
Vijay Singh
Allen Doyle
Steve Stickler
Nick O'Hern
Ryuji Imada
Colin Montgomerie
Jeff Sluman
Luke Donald
Jim Furyk
Ian Poulter
Padraig Harrington
Kenneth Ferrie
Paul Casey
David Toms
Lucas Glover
Rory Sabbatini
Dean Wilson
Adam Scott
Joe Durant
Arron Oberholser
Chad Campbell
Stewart Cink
Tom Pernice Jr.
Davis Love III
Stephen Ames
Trevor Immelman
Rod Pampling
KJ Choi
Stuart Appleby
Carl Pettersson
JJ Henry
Brett Wetterich
Brett Quigley
Henrik Stenson
Sergio Garcia
David Howell
Anthony Wall
Robert Karlsson
Thomas Bjorn
Johan Edfors
Niclas Fasth
Shingo Katayama
Jeev Milkha Singh


Anyone for a game Tiger Woods PGA 07 ;)



-- 
Benway

Benway wrote:
> mike short wrote:
> 
>> I was very pleased indeed to see another US Open go by that wasn't won 
>> by someone from the US. The PGA Tour may soon be known as the 
>> backwoodsmans tour - full of too rich journeymen american pros!!
> 
> And what has the US Open to do with the PGA Tour. As any self respecting 
> golf fan with "any (golfing) credentials" would know the US Open is an 
> USGA event and not a PGA Tour event.
> 

  you seem to have misunderstood two simple sentences ,in one I refer to 
the US Open ,in the other I refer to the PGA Tour. There is a link 
between the two sentences which is to do with american golfers not with 
who runs the US open. Do try and keep up rather than contriving an 
invalid reason to be rude to me because you are still in a sulk about a 
comment I made that upset you in another thread.