"Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
after aggravating a wrist injury.

The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
when she withdrew at the 17th hole.

She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
South Carolina.

If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."


Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.

Much.

NB

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

johnty wrote:
> On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:
> 
>>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
>> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
>> 72-68 to finish at even par,
>> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>>
> 
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>>
>> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
>> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
>> became the youngest woman ever selected
>>
>> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
>> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
>> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
>> SBS Open and later in the year
>> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>>
> 
> I think I've read that before somewhere...
> 
> 
Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do 
you have a problem with that ?

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

johnty wrote:
> On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:
> 
>>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
>> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
>> 72-68 to finish at even par,
>> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>>
> 
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>>
>> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
>> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
>> became the youngest woman ever selected
>>
>> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
>> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
>> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
>> SBS Open and later in the year
>> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>>
> 
> I think I've read that before somewhere...
> 
> 
Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do 
you have a problem with that ?

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

johnty wrote:
> On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:
> 
>>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
>> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
>> 72-68 to finish at even par,
>> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>>
> 
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>>
>> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
>> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
>> became the youngest woman ever selected
>>
>> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
>> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
>> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
>> SBS Open and later in the year
>> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>>
> 
> I think I've read that before somewhere...
> 
> 
Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do 
you have a problem with that ?

On 6 Jun, 01:02, mike short  wrote:

>
> Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do
> you have a problem with that ?



I could have no issue with anyone who finds 'cut and paste' a
difficult challenge.

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

johnty wrote:
> On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:
> 
>>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
>> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
>> 72-68 to finish at even par,
>> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>>
> 
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>>
>> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
>> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
>> became the youngest woman ever selected
>>
>> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
>> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
>> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
>> SBS Open and later in the year
>> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>>
> 
> I think I've read that before somewhere...
> 
> 
Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do 
you have a problem with that ?

On 6 Jun, 01:02, mike short  wrote:

>
> Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do
> you have a problem with that ?



I could have no issue with anyone who finds 'cut and paste' a
difficult challenge.

johnty wrote:
> On 6 Jun, 01:02, mike short  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do
>> you have a problem with that ?
> 
> 
> 
> I could have no issue with anyone who finds 'cut and paste' a
> difficult challenge.
> 
> 
> 
You seem to be disappearing rapidly up your own backside Mr John Tee . I 
  had no problem with using a quick cut and paste job to answer  Nigel's 
churlish question. It was nearly as easy as beating you  in the annual 
north/south USG jamboree :-)

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
> became the youngest woman ever selected
>
> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
> SBS Open and later in the year
> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>

I think I've read that before somewhere...

johnty wrote:
> On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:
> 
>>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
>> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
>> 72-68 to finish at even par,
>> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>>
> 
>> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
>> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>>
>> She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
>> That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and
>> became the youngest woman ever selected
>>
>> to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in
>> the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
>> In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's
>> SBS Open and later in the year
>> finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.
>>
> 
> I think I've read that before somewhere...
> 
> 
Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do 
you have a problem with that ?

On 6 Jun, 01:02, mike short  wrote:

>
> Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do
> you have a problem with that ?



I could have no issue with anyone who finds 'cut and paste' a
difficult challenge.

johnty wrote:
> On 6 Jun, 01:02, mike short  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah you might well have done. Its all factual and it is all true - do
>> you have a problem with that ?
> 
> 
> 
> I could have no issue with anyone who finds 'cut and paste' a
> difficult challenge.
> 
> 
> 
You seem to be disappearing rapidly up your own backside Mr John Tee . I 
  had no problem with using a quick cut and paste job to answer  Nigel's 
churlish question. It was nearly as easy as beating you  in the annual 
north/south USG jamboree :-)

Nigel B wrote:
> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four months 
> after aggravating a wrist injury.
> 
> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn Tribute 
> when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
> 
> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for form in 
> South Carolina.
> 
> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have had 
> to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
> 
> 
> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
> 
> Much.
> 
> NB 

Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent pressure 
to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is unlikely now to 
ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2 years ago.

mike short  wrote in
news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 

> Nigel B wrote:
>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>> 
>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>> 
>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>> form in South Carolina.
>> 
>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>> 
>> 
>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>> 
>> Much.
>> 
>> NB 
> 
> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
> years ago. 
> 

Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  

What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
What has she won?

NB

Nigel B wrote:

> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB

$20 mill nike contract

I'll see you in maui ;)

-- 
Benway

Nigel B wrote:
> mike short  wrote in
> news:lgH8i.84614$Ug.51703@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk: 
> 
>> Nigel B wrote:
>>> "Michelle Wie has had to pull out of her first tournament in four
>>> months after aggravating a wrist injury.
>>>
>>> The 17-year-old was 14-over in her opening round of the LPGA Ginn
>>> Tribute when she withdrew at the 17th hole.
>>>
>>> She had been bothered by the wrist problem but also struggled for
>>> form in South Carolina.
>>>
>>> If she had shot an 88 - 16 over - as a non-LPGA member she would have
>>> had to withdraw and be disqualified for the rest of the season."
>>>
>>>
>>> Some might say that was rather cynical. I couldn't possibly comment.
>>>
>>> Much.
>>>
>>> NB 
>> Not half as cynical as you , by the sound of it. This young woman is 
>> clearly under an enormous burden of expectation and consequent
>> pressure to perform. She has enormous talent but I fear she is
>> unlikely now to ever  achieve the dominance that looked possible 2
>> years ago. 
>>
> 
> Sorry, Mike, I disagree.  She has enormous hype, but the burden of 
> expectation was placed there not by her talent (not inconsiderable if 
> allowed to grow naturally!), but by her marketing and parents.  
> 
> What talent she has has been bullied out of her, and the clear resort to 
> gamesmanship that the above incident displayed proves my point weel.  
> What has she won?
> 
> NB
I don't know if you have ever actually seen her play but I have. I have 
followed her around four rounds of golf at Lytham last year and Birkdale 
the year before and watched her for some hours on the practice ground. 
She has enormous talent as a golfer that I have directly witnessed (and 
I have seen many very talented golfers at close quarters over the 
years)that was nothing to do with 'marketing'. There is no doubt her 
parents have high expectations and are probably too closely involved in 
her every move - but I don't see them as any more the 'pushy' parent 
than Tigers father - but this clearly stems from them doting on the 
whims and wishes of their only rather 'spoilt' child.
Your notion that her talent has been 'bullied out of her' is absurd. 
What has she won? Well she has set some records for sure -  at the age 
of 10 she became
  the youngest-ever player to qualify for a USGA amateur championship.
  In 2003 she became the youngest-ever winner of the US Women's Amateur 
Public Links Championship.
That same year, at the age of 13, she made her first appearance in an 
LPGA Major tournament.
By the time she was 14 she had made the cut in seven LPGA Tour events 
(out of seven attempts),

  including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot 
72-68 to finish at even par,
but missed the cut by one stroke.


If she had played the 2004 season as a professional, she would have 
earned over US$250,000 from her tournament results.
In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to 
play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.

She shot 72-68 to finish at even par, but missed the cut by one stroke.
That year, Wie was named to the U.S. team for the 2004 Curtis Cup and 
became the youngest woman ever selected

to play as the U.S. team went on to win. She went on to finish fourth in 
the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
In 2005, while still an amateur, she tied for 2nd place at the LPGA's 
SBS Open and later in the year
finished 2nd to Sorenstam at the LPGA championship.

Maybe not many wins - but not a junior record to be sneered at.
What have you won Nige?

On 5 Jun, 00:57, mike short  wrote:

>
>   including two finishes in the top ten and four in the top 20.
> and in June finished second to Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship.
> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii. She shot
> 72-68 to finish at even par,
> but missed the cut by one stroke.
>

> In 2004 Wie became only the fourth female, and the youngest ever, to
> play in an event on the PGA Tour, at the Sony Open in Hawaii.
>
> She shot 72-68 to finis