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date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:23:58 GMT,    group: uk.sport.golf        back       
GPS systems   
Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
rounds and not during the tournament?
Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take 
upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
monthly medal?
                                                Thx Peter
date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:23:58 GMT   author:   Peter Hunter

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
Peter,
The Rules of Golf generally only care what happens during a round (there are 
some exceptions, such as practising on the course before a stroke play 
competition) so nothing can prevent anyone taking accurate measurements of 
the course beforehand.
In fact this is what good caddies and serious players do.

The Rules changed in 2006 to allow distance measuring devices under Local 
Rule.

The EGU is currently not yet permitting them in national championships.

My club has taken the decision not to allow them in competition. Typically, 
they have reached this decisioin without any member of the committee having 
actually seen such a device in operation, let alone used one!

I doubt it will be many years before they are allowed for professional 
tournaments.

Having owned and used a SkyCaddy for several years I would say they do not 
give a player any significant advantage over a course planner/Strokesaver 
booklet.  It does however, save all that pacing out from bunkers,etc, thus 
saving time.
They do help though if you are on the wrong fairway!!

On one's home course, they have little use, since with regular play, most of 
us know which club to take from any point on the course without the need to 
know the actual distance to the nearest couple of yards.

Purists will be against any modernisation of the game, but apart from Chris 
Hickory Homer, most happily play with modern clubs and balls.

HTH
Malcolm
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:41:57 +0100   author:   M L Wadsworth

Re: GPS systems   
On 16 May, 23:23, "Peter Hunter"  wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice
> rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local
> monthly medal?

The tours don't allow GPS to be used during tournaments (except one
minor exception)
This type of equipment can be used if a local rule is in effect.

http://www.randa.org/index.cfm?cfid=727914&cftoken=&action=rules.rulessub.distmeasuredevices
date: 17 May 2007 03:10:00 -0700   author:   johnty

Re: GPS systems   
Peter Hunter wrote:
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during practice 
> rounds and not during the tournament?

There are others here who can give you the actual answer but I would hazard a 
guess that it is written in their conditions of competition that this is clearly 
the case.

> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play.

That is what the caddy is for. He has been round the course both before and 
during practice rounds and has made a note of all relevant distances from 
different points. There should be no need for it during the playing round.

  A three ball for professionals can take
> upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.

Not due to not knowing the distances for they are known already as above.

> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their local 
> monthly medal?

Prior to January 2004 Rule 14-3 said that such items were not allowed during a 
round under penalty of DQ. On that date a new Decision (14-3/0.5)was published.
This states that any club may make a local rule to permit distance measuring 
devices. Without that local rule in force it still leads to DQ under 14-3. (see 
Decision 14-3/1)

JPW
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:12:22 +0100   author:   Pat Williams

Re: GPS systems   
It's all down to local ruling's decided by your club re use during club 
competitions.  My club allows both GPS and legal laser measuring devices to 
be used but there are others in the area that don't allow either.

-- 

Martyn

"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology would give them the correct information 
> quicker and therefore speed up play. A three ball for professionals can 
> take upwards of 5 hours to complete a round.
> Also what is the rule governing GPS systems for amateurs playing their 
> local monthly medal?
>                                                Thx Peter
>
date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:52:11 +0100   author:   Martyn martyn.(dot)

Re: GPS systems   
"Peter Hunter"  wrote in message 
news:2wL2i.4744$o42.3749@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> Why is it that professionals are allowed to use GPS systems during 
> practice rounds and not during the tournament?
> Surely allowing this technology wo