Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.

What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
master) seems to default to back 12.

Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
handicap?

Thanks

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary

Gary wrote:
> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
> 
> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six and 
> back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software (handicap 
> master) seems to default to back 12.

Gary,

There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have their own 
opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out your rule book and 
look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide Ties" you may look at the 
recommended way. Of course this is only the way that the R&A RECOMMEND. It 
always seems sensible to me to follow that advice.
> 
> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as I 
> walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent adjustment to 
> handicap?

This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration should be 
given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause considered to be 
reasonable by the organising committee." So has your committee used common sense 
in the case that you mention and "given you sympathetic consideration?"

Hope that helps.

JPW

"Pat Williams"  wrote in message 
news:46362102$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Gary wrote:
>> Two matters arising from the first stableford of the season yesterday.
>>
>> What is the conventional method of countback after back nine, back six 
>> and back three? Our club protocol says back one, but the new software 
>> (handicap master) seems to default to back 12.
>
> Gary,
>
> There is no definitive solution to decide ties, for each club may have 
> their own opinions on how it should be done. BUT if you want to get out 
> your rule book and look at page 139 where it is written "How to Decide 
> Ties" you may look at the recommended way. Of course this is only the way 
> that the R&A RECOMMEND. It always seems sensible to me to follow that 
> advice.
>>
>> Is a golfer who retires injured (believe it or not I sprained my ankle as 
>> I walked off the first tee!) treated as a N/R with a consequent 
>> adjustment to handicap?
>
> This is a common sense situation and CONGU , who tell us all about our 
> handicaps, on page 38 of their handbook say "Sympathetic consideration 
> should be given to players who have had to discontinue play for any cause 
> considered to be reasonable by the organising committee." So has your 
> committee used common sense in the case that you mention and "given you 
> sympathetic consideration?"
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> JPW

Thanks - amazing that I couldn't find anything about ties in the rule book 
by myself. Also, surprising that the commercial software defaults to 
something different - it was adjusted to comply with our protocol and the 
recommendation referred to.

Regarding the injury - no I did not get sympathetic consideration from the 
handicap committee. Actually I am on the handicap committee, but we are all 
pretty new to it and are using new handicap software, so it is pretty much 
the blind leading the blind. In the absence of anything we could find to the 
contrary, I agreed that my card would have to be treated as an N/R.

Of course the fact that I am on the committee is irrelevant, and I suppose I 
should now write to the chairman explaining the circumstances and requesting 
sympathetic consideration?

Gary