Looking at the TV replays of Bullard's free kick goal, that was definitely 
unlucky. A double deflection which finds its way into the net is nothing 
more than good luck.if you're the attacking team, and sheer bad luck if 
you're the defenders.

The penalty awarded at the end of the first half was also unfortunate. The 
forward backed into the defender and knew exactly what he was doing when he 
chose to fall over. And the kick should have been retaken for encroachment.

"BAC"  wrote in message 
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> Looking at the TV replays of Bullard's free kick goal, that was definitely 
> unlucky. A double deflection which finds its way into the net is nothing 
> more than good luck.if you're the attacking team, and sheer bad luck if 
> you're the defenders.
>
> The penalty awarded at the end of the first half was also unfortunate. The 
> forward backed into the defender and knew exactly what he was doing when 
> he chose to fall over. And the kick should have been retaken for 
> encroachment.
>

Agreed, the Fagin penalty wasn't a penalty but then the free kick that led 
to the equaliser against Arsenal probably wasn't a free kick and the Upson 
Assault on Venegoor of Humberside was as clear a penalty as you will see.

But it wasn't bad luck that we gave away stupid free kicks that led to two 
of their goals. It was rank bad defending.

It wasn't bad luck that allowed their player to sneak in and score the 
equaliser. It was rank bad defending.

It wasn't just bad luck that we conceded two soft goals against Fulham, 
Stoke, Arsenal and Everton. It was rank bad defending.

Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a trend developing :-)

"Garry Douglas"  wrote in message 
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> "BAC"  wrote in message 
> news:wZydnXHpFKCRx5fWnZ2dnUVZ8hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Looking at the TV replays of Bullard's free kick goal, that was 
>> definitely unlucky. A double deflection which finds its way into the net 
>> is nothing more than good luck.if you're the attacking team, and sheer 
>> bad luck if you're the defenders.
>>
>> The penalty awarded at the end of the first half was also unfortunate. 
>> The forward backed into the defender and knew exactly what he was doing 
>> when he chose to fall over. And the kick should have been retaken for 
>> encroachment.
>>
>
> Agreed, the Fagin penalty wasn't a penalty but then the free kick that led 
> to the equaliser against Arsenal probably wasn't a free kick and the Upson 
> Assault on Venegoor of Humberside was as clear a penalty as you will see.
>
> But it wasn't bad luck that we gave away stupid free kicks that led to two 
> of their goals. It was rank bad defending.
>
> It wasn't bad luck that allowed their player to sneak in and score the 
> equaliser. It was rank bad defending.
>
> It wasn't just bad luck that we conceded two soft goals against Fulham, 
> Stoke, Arsenal and Everton. It was rank bad defending.
>
> Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a trend developing :-)
>
>
>

True, it can't just be bad luck that we haven't kept a clean sheet since 
August (a shit defence and sloppy midfield may have something to do with it, 
but I'm no expert), but I feel it was more bad luck than anything else which 
cost us the points on Saturday. With average luck, the first half would have 
ended 1-2, and we'd probably have won it from there.

"BAC"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Garry Douglas"  wrote in message 
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>> "BAC"  wrote in message 
>> news:wZydnXHpFKCRx5fWnZ2dnUVZ8hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Looking at the TV replays of Bullard's free kick goal, that was 
>>> definitely unlucky. A double deflection which finds its way into the net 
>>> is nothing more than good luck.if you're the attacking team, and sheer 
>>> bad luck if you're the defenders.
>>>
>>> The penalty awarded at the end of the first half was also unfortunate. 
>>> The forward backed into the defender and knew exactly what he was doing 
>>> when he chose to fall over. And the kick should have been retaken for 
>>> encroachment.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed, the Fagin penalty wasn't a penalty but then the free kick that 
>> led to the equaliser against Arsenal probably wasn't a free kick and the 
>> Upson Assault on Venegoor of Humberside was as clear a penalty as you 
>> will see.
>>
>> But it wasn't bad luck that we gave away stupid free kicks that led to 
>> two of their goals. It was rank bad defending.
>>
>> It wasn't bad luck that allowed their player to sneak in and score the 
>> equaliser. It was rank bad defending.
>>
>> It wasn't just bad luck that we conceded two soft goals against Fulham, 
>> Stoke, Arsenal and Everton. It was rank bad defending.
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a trend developing :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> True, it can't just be bad luck that we haven't kept a clean sheet since 
> August (a shit defence and sloppy midfield may have something to do with 
> it, but I'm no expert), but I feel it was more bad luck than anything else 
> which cost us the points on Saturday. With average luck, the first half 
> would have ended 1-2, and we'd probably have won it from there.

Text from me to my mate Terry Saturday 15:15:21 "I won't feel safe until we 
are 3 up with 30 seconds to go" And I wasn't joking. As soon as they pulled 
one back I knew we would blow it.

Text from me 16:14:21 "Hull down to 10. We're really in trouble now"

Despite the numerical advantage we barely threatened their keeper in the 
last 30 minutes. And with all due respect he is probably the worst keeper in 
the Premiership. With apologies to Kirlkand, Jenssen, Robinson, James and 
Foster!

Scrappy equaliser aside, what did we create? Parker tripped up when through 
on goal (but no confidence on my part he would have scored), Jiminez failing 
to get it on target from 8 yards and Stanislas muffing an easy header.

It could have been worse. I dozed off on Sunday afternoon and dreamed that 
the Spuds scored 9 . . . .

Garry Douglas wrote:
> "BAC"  wrote in message 
> news:wZydnXHpFKCRx5fWnZ2dnUVZ8hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Looking at the TV replays of Bullard's free kick goal, that was definitely 
>> unlucky. A double deflection which finds its way into the net is nothing 
>> more than good luck.if you're the attacking team, and sheer bad luck if 
>> you're the defenders.
>>
>> The penalty awarded at the end of the first half was also unfortunate. The 
>> forward backed into the defender and knew exactly what he was doing when 
>> he chose to fall over. And the kick should have been retaken for 
>> encroachment.
>>
> 
> Agreed, the Fagin penalty wasn't a penalty but then the free kick that led 
> to the equaliser against Arsenal probably wasn't a free kick and the Upson 
> Assault on Venegoor of Humberside was as clear a penalty as you will see.
> 
> But it wasn't bad luck that we gave away stupid free kicks that led to two 
> of their goals. It was rank bad defending.
> 
> It wasn't bad luck that allowed their player to sneak in and score the 
> equaliser. It was rank bad defending.
> 
> It wasn't just bad luck that we conceded two soft goals against Fulham, 
> Stoke, Arsenal and Everton. It was rank bad defending.
> 
> Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a trend developing :-)

The true cost of selling Collins?

-- 
Howard Neil

"Howard Neil"  wrote in message 
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>
> Garry Douglas wrote:
>> "BAC"  wrote in message 
>> news:wZydnXHpFKCRx5fWnZ2dnUVZ8hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> Looking at the TV replays of Bullard's free kick goal, that was 
>>> definitely unlucky. A double deflection which finds its way into the net 
>>> is nothing more than good luck.if you're the attacking team, and sheer 
>>> bad luck if you're the defenders.
>>>
>>> The penalty awarded at the end of the first half was also unfortunate. 
>>> The forward backed into the defender and knew exactly what he was doing 
>>> when he chose to fall over. And the kick should have been retaken for 
>>> encroachment.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed, the Fagin penalty wasn't a penalty but then the free kick that 
>> led to the equaliser against Arsenal probably wasn't a free kick and the 
>> Upson Assault on Venegoor of Humberside was as clear a penalty as you 
>> will see.
>>
>> But it wasn't bad luck that we gave away stupid free kicks that led to 
>> two of their goals. It was rank bad defending.
>>
>> It wasn't bad luck that allowed their player to sneak in and score the 
>> equaliser. It was rank bad defending.
>>
>> It wasn't just bad luck that we conceded two soft goals against Fulham, 
>> Stoke, Arsenal and Everton. It was rank bad defending.
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm beginning to see a trend developing :-)
>
> The true cost of selling Collins?

Mere coincidence :-)

Next you'll be telling me that our failure to adequately replace Bellend in 
January cost us a European place!