Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be, imagine 
even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why should we pay 
these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that we graft for, and a 
lot of the time they dont even look like they can be bothered! Should FIFA 
introduce capping or not?

"Blue1873"  wrote in
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> Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be,
> imagine even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why
> should we pay these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that
> we graft for, and a lot of the time they dont even look like they can
> be bothered! Should FIFA introduce capping or not?

I'm with you on this one. All players should be capped to a maximum of 
£10,000 per week and its up to the player and club to work out bonuses 
for goals, shutouts, etc. That way it would be a performance related 
wage. Bookings could also be included where they lose money but not from 
their capped income, only their bonuses.

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"sme"  wrote in message 
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> "Blue1873"  wrote in
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>> Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be,
>> imagine even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why
>> should we pay these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that
>> we graft for, and a lot of the time they dont even look like they can
>> be bothered! Should FIFA introduce capping or not?
>
> I'm with you on this one. All players should be capped to a maximum of
> £10,000 per week and its up to the player and club to work out bonuses
> for goals, shutouts, etc. That way it would be a performance related
> wage. Bookings could also be included where they lose money but not from
> their capped income, only their bonuses.
>
> -- 
> sme

10K a week is a hell of a lot of money, but I agree, perhaps if the bonus 
system was used we might see some effort!

"Blue1873"  wrote in message 
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> Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be, imagine 
> even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why should we 
> pay these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that we graft for, 
> and a lot of the time they dont even look like they can be bothered! 
> Should FIFA introduce capping or not?

Never happen in a million years. It's a shame that players get so much money 
at a young age when most of them are too immature to know what to do with 
it. I would rather the clubs had more money to spend on football by 
improving stadiums, facilities, investing in grass roots etc etc (maybe 
idealistic because clubs can waste money too).

There are several problems with having a salary cap.  It was tried before 
(way back in the early 1900s)  when footballers needed their testimonial at 
the end of a career as they were truly playing for their rent money.  The 
football team owners ended up rich but there was deep corruption in the game 
whith back-handers and bungs being thrown about with abandon.  Arsenal were 
infamous for it and their bribing the way into the English First Division is 
still the prime example.

Players would also challenge it on legal grounds.  There may be salary caps 
in some sports in the US and Australia but a salary cap may fall foul of 
both UK and EU law.

"Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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> There are several problems with having a salary cap.  It was tried
> before (way back in the early 1900s)  when footballers needed their
> testimonial at the end of a career as they were truly playing for
> their rent money.  The football team owners ended up rich but there
> was deep corruption in the game whith back-handers and bungs being
> thrown about with abandon.  Arsenal were infamous for it and their
> bribing the way into the English First Division is still the prime
> example. 
> 
> Players would also challenge it on legal grounds.  There may be salary
> caps in some sports in the US and Australia but a salary cap may fall
> foul of both UK and EU law.

Didn't Partick Thistle introduce a wage cap a few years ago? I'm sure a 
pal who supported them said they had their wages capped to something like 
£500 a week with bonuses topping them up.

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sme

"Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
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> There are several problems with having a salary cap.  It was tried before 
> (way back in the early 1900s)  when footballers needed their testimonial 
> at the end of a career as they were truly playing for their rent money. 
> The football team owners ended up rich but there was deep corruption in 
> the game whith back-handers and bungs being thrown about with abandon. 
> Arsenal were infamous for it and their bribing the way into the English 
> First Division is still the prime example.
>
> Players would also challenge it on legal grounds.  There may be salary 
> caps in some sports in the US and Australia but a salary cap may fall foul 
> of both UK and EU law.

The salary cap in England only ended in the '60's.  Players had a maximum 
wage of £20 a week and players in Scotland earned more. Jimmy Hill, as the 
player's union leader, is credited with getting it lifted.

"Blue1873"  wrote in message 
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> Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be, imagine 
> even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why should we 
> pay these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that we graft for, 
> and a lot of the time they dont even look like they can be bothered! 
> Should FIFA introduce capping or not?

Many wages are obscene,dont think may would disagree when you see figues 
like £100K a week , even a wage of £30-40K a week in the SPL i think is way 
to much (By all means give that to a cancer surgeon or someone that can get 
a cure for aids etc but football???).However i think the amount of legal 
cases and general chaos would stop the amount being lowered anytime 
soon.Imagine telling Rooney he would only be allowed £10k a week , he 
wouldnt be able to afford as many of those luxury pies he enjoys ;-) But 
seriously i think something should have been put in place when salaries were 
on the up that would have capped it at say £70-100K but its got out of 
control now and i think the only capping will be what the clubs themselves 
can afford because there will come a limit.How much that will be goodness 
only knows but cant be much more,unless they start selling home strips soon 
at £100 each if not more.

Sme, I'm talking about an industry applied salary cap as applied by a 
Football Association, whether it be the FA in England, the SFA in Scotland 
UEFA or that twat, Sepp Blatter(spit), at FIFA (spit, off to get soap to get 
the unclean taste out of my mouth).  As to individual clubs trying this, 
that comes down to individual contracts rather than a collectively imposed 
system.

"Jonbhoy"  wrote in
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> 
> "Blue1873"  wrote in message 
> news:25OdnYwmQdND0TXVRVnyjQA@bt.com...
>> Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be,
>> imagine even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why
>> should we pay these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that
>> we graft for, and a lot of the time they dont even look like they can
>> be bothered! Should FIFA introduce capping or not?
> 
> Many wages are obscene,dont think may would disagree when you see
> figues like £100K a week , even a wage of £30-40K a week in the SPL i
> think is way to much (By all means give that to a cancer surgeon or
> someone that can get a cure for aids etc but football???).However i
> think the amount of legal cases and general chaos would stop the
> amount being lowered anytime soon.Imagine telling Rooney he would only
> be allowed £10k a week , he wouldnt be able to afford as many of those
> luxury pies he enjoys ;-) But seriously i think something should have
> been put in place when salaries were on the up that would have capped
> it at say £70-100K but its got out of control now and i think the only
> capping will be what the clubs themselves can afford because there
> will come a limit.How much that will be goodness only knows but cant
> be much more,unless they start selling home strips soon at £100 each
> if not more.

Wasn't this meant to be introduced at Celtic, players were put into 
brackets of 1 - Big name, 2 - First Team Regular and 3 - Squad player, 
with set wage brackets for each group? I thought that was why Maloney 
left as he wanted into the top earners and they said he would need 
another good season under his belt.

-- 
sme

"Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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> Sme, I'm talking about an industry applied salary cap as applied by a 
> Football Association, whether it be the FA in England, the SFA in
> Scotland UEFA or that twat, Sepp Blatter(spit), at FIFA (spit, off to
> get soap to get the unclean taste out of my mouth).  As to individual
> clubs trying this, that comes down to individual contracts rather than
> a collectively imposed system.

When are you off to New Zealand anyway?? :-P

I see what you mean, and i agree it would never happen as teams like the 
OF or Man Utd would want to pay a bit more to make sure they get their 
player rather than trust it on bonuses. Imagine if Cuellar left Rangers 
for Motherwell coz they were going to give him better bonuses?? Or 
McGeady for Aberdeen coz he got a free sheep every week? Unions fight 
every day to try get people paid the same wage for doing the same job. 
Hinkel is never going to get Ashley Coles wage. :-)

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sme

"sme"  wrote in message 
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> "Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> news:Iw3qk.44246$E41.5292@text.news.virginmedia.com:
>
>> Sme, I'm talking about an industry applied salary cap as applied by a
>> Football Association, whether it be the FA in England, the SFA in
>> Scotland UEFA or that twat, Sepp Blatter(spit), at FIFA (spit, off to
>> get soap to get the unclean taste out of my mouth).  As to individual
>> clubs trying this, that comes down to individual contracts rather than
>> a collectively imposed system.
>
> When are you off to New Zealand anyway?? :-P

I'm just awaiting the visa, which should be through very soon.  Once it is 
in my paw, I'm off.

"Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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> 
> "sme"  wrote in message 
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>> "Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
>> news:Iw3qk.44246$E41.5292@text.news.virginmedia.com:
>>
>>> Sme, I'm talking about an industry applied salary cap as applied by
>>> a Football Association, whether it be the FA in England, the SFA in
>>> Scotland UEFA or that twat, Sepp Blatter(spit), at FIFA (spit, off
>>> to get soap to get the unclean taste out of my mouth).  As to
>>> individual clubs trying this, that comes down to individual
>>> contracts rather than a collectively imposed system.
>>
>> When are you off to New Zealand anyway?? :-P
> 
> I'm just awaiting the visa, which should be through very soon.  Once
> it is in my paw, I'm off.

Can't you just get a mastercard? ;-)

I'll get my coat.

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sme

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> "Jonbhoy"  wrote in
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>
>>
>> "Blue1873"  wrote in message
>> news:25OdnYwmQdND0TXVRVnyjQA@bt.com...
>>> Should capping be introduced. I firmly believe that it should be,
>>> imagine even being paid £5K a week, I for one would be in heaven. Why
>>> should we pay these lads so much of our bloody hard earned money that
>>> we graft for, and a lot of the time they dont even look like they can
>>> be bothered! Should FIFA introduce capping or not?
>>
>> Many wages are obscene,dont think may would disagree when you see
>> figues like £100K a week , even a wage of £30-40K a week in the SPL i
>> think is way to much (By all means give that to a cancer surgeon or
>> someone that can get a cure for aids etc but football???).However i
>> think the amount of legal cases and general chaos would stop the
>> amount being lowered anytime soon.Imagine telling Rooney he would only
>> be allowed £10k a week , he wouldnt be able to afford as many of those
>> luxury pies he enjoys ;-) But seriously i think something should have
>> been put in place when salaries were on the up that would have capped
>> it at say £70-100K but its got out of control now and i think the only
>> capping will be what the clubs themselves can afford because there
>> will come a limit.How much that will be goodness only knows but cant
>> be much more,unless they start selling home strips soon at £100 each
>> if not more.
>
> Wasn't this meant to be introduced at Celtic, players were put into
> brackets of 1 - Big name, 2 - First Team Regular and 3 - Squad player,
> with set wage brackets for each group? I thought that was why Maloney
> left as he wanted into the top earners and they said he would need
> another good season under his belt.

Could be right mate,i remember a couple of years back £40K was being banded 
about but i didnt know if that was a cap or if it was on position such as a 
forward....or if it was just the max we could afford at the time (again a 
self imposed cap).I dont think we have any players that go past the £40k so 
i wonder if that is a cap thats in place (I dont think any player we have id 
pay more than £40k for anyway).

JB

"sme"  wrote in message 
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> "Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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>
>>
>> "sme"  wrote in message
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>>> "Oso" <osobear(beard)@ntlworld.com> wrote in
>>> news:Iw3qk.44246$E41.5292@text.news.virginmedia.com:
>>>
>>>> Sme, I'm talking about an industry applied salary cap as applied by
>>>> a Football Association, whether it be the FA in England, the SFA in
>>>> Scotland UEFA or that twat, Sepp Blatter(spit), at FIFA (spit, off
>>>> to get soap to get the unclean taste out of my mouth).  As to
>>>> individual clubs trying this, that comes down to individual
>>>> contracts rather than a collectively imposed system.
>>>
>>> When are you off to New Zealand anyway?? :-P
>>
>> I'm just awaiting the visa, which should be through very soon.  Once
>> it is in my paw, I'm off.
>
> Can't you just get a mastercard? ;-)
>
> I'll get my coat.
>
Here, I'll help you put it on too.