...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!

A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.

I am ashamed to be Scottish.

Paddy wrote:
> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
> 
> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
> 
> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
> 
> 

I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.

pb

never be ashamed of you heritage 
dispise those who cause the trouble and those who ignore them because
they are as bad as those that cause the trouble


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"Paddy"  wrote in message 
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> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>
> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>
> I am ashamed to be Scottish.

How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points to 
practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a few years 
to come?

Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, the 
199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced their club 
and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to you - which is a 
very childish way to look at things.

"FishSupper"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Paddy"  wrote in message 
> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>
>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>
>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>
> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points 
> to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a few 
> years to come?
>
> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, the 
> 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced their 
> club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to you - which 
> is a very childish way to look at things.

It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more like 
between one and two thousand.

I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to 
Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports, letters 
columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live, it seems to me 
that many English people *are* tarring all Scots with the same brush.

I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score over what 
happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media to brush this under 
the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line being spun constantly is 
that these are not Rangers fans (even though there were many wearing Rangers 
gear), they were not even Scottish (even though there are plenty of Scottish 
accents present on the videos) and it was only 200 people (even though that 
is not possible given the widespread damage that occured).

I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick these 
scumbags out of football for good.

On May 18, 3:31 pm, "Paddy"  wrote:
> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>
> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>
> I am ashamed to be Scottish.

your not scottish stupid your plastic,Did you get the sack after the
wee man in manchester sorted you out?

let the games begin

On May 18, 3:31 pm, "Paddy"  wrote:
> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>
> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>
> I am ashamed to be Scottish.

Come on tae fuck Paddy, it wizny them.

"Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
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> Paddy wrote:
>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>
>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>
>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>
>>
>
> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>
> pb


ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why couldn't 
you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, next thing 
they'll be waking ira flynn.

Andy Morrison

"ZB"  wrote in message
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>
> I don't think it is helpful for Rangers supporters, management and media 
> to brush this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line 
> being spun constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even though 
> there were many wearing Rangers gear), they were not even Scottish (even 
> though there are plenty of Scottish accents present on the videos) and it 
> was only 200 people (even though that is not possible given the widespread 
> damage that occured).
>
> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick these 
> scumbags out of football for good.

In terms of the other issues. I think now there probably were some English 
and Ulster ringers, as suggested in today's Sunday Herald. Also the drink 
didn't help last Wednesday. Nor the result. Nor the screen. Nor the 
organisation. However, this is not excuse thousands of Rangers fans caught 
up in the violence, the silent majority or indeed Rangers FC.

Moreover, I'd be interested to know whether people think there is something 
particular about Rangers FC which makes the events of Wednesday more likely. 
As a Celtic fan I may not be perceived as a neutral observer, stating the 
obvious I know, so I will try to summarise and distile what other people 
have suggested could be a cause of Rangers' problems. Obviously Graham 
Spiers had a right go and suggested that there was a social poison at the 
heart of Rangers. One thing that the problem is definately not to do with is 
because of Rangers protestant heritage. I would like to nail that one 
straight away. Spiers has identified uncertainty amongst Rangers fans that 
would declare that a heritage exists but whom are unable to define it. So 
this issue is important I feel. Rangers heritage is not one of 
protestantism. If people were looking for religion they could go to the 
kirk. People were going to Rangers for something else. Stuart Cosgrove 
mentioned on Radio Scotland today that it was all this colonialist stuff 
that they should get rid of. Also it was good to see Gordon Waddell in the 
Sunday Mail talk about "the famine is over, why don't you go home" as has 
Darryl Broodfoot. Indeed I have also mentioned "Nakamura Eat My Dog." This 
could easily be interpreted as an intolerance of immigrants. Repeatedly on 
Wednesday before the violence even kicked off we saw displays of 
sectarianism in Manchester. There certainly seems to be a superiority 
complex somewhere there exemplified by the phrase "We Are The People". The 
question is, is there a Supremicist attitude associated with Rangers which 
Spiers, Cosgrove, Broadfoot and Waddell have all alluded to? Does this mean 
they are ripe for the trouble last Wednesday?

"ZB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "FishSupper"  wrote in message 
> news:7ICdnTHSyLYn_63VnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Paddy"  wrote in message 
>> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>
>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>
>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>
>> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
>> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points 
>> to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a few 
>> years to come?
>>
>> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, the 
>> 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced their 
>> club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to you - 
>> which is a very childish way to look at things.
>
> It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more like 
> between one and two thousand.
>
> I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to 
> Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports, letters 
> columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live, it seems to me 
> that many English people *are* tarring all Scots with the same brush.
>
> I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score over 
> what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media to brush 
> this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line being spun 
> constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even though there were many 
> wearing Rangers gear), they were not even Scottish (even though there are 
> plenty of Scottish accents present on the videos) and it was only 200 
> people (even though that is not possible given the widespread damage that 
> occured).
>
> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick these 
> scumbags out of football for good.

Why isn't it 'helpful' for Celtic fans to point score? Can it do any damage 
if Celtic fans point score? ( this is one of reasons I don't come here any 
more, far too limp wristed, if you know what I mean ).

They have brought shame upon themselves and this country by their 
neanderthal behaviour, yet again !! Rioting, looting, the images of that 
poor policeman being surrounded by that hate filled mob will stay with me 
forever, terrorising innocent woman and children, and don't forget the 
elderly, oh no, nothing gets in the way of the 'peepul'.

I am sickened by what happened on Wednesday night. Celtic go to Seville and 
take over 80,000, not one arrest, awards by FIFA and UEFA for our good 
behaviour, perfect ambassadors for our country. Rangers go 3 hours down the 
road and riot, leaving the smell of piss, vomit and stale beer.

Scotland's shame.

"Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Paddy wrote:
>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>
>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>
>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>
>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>
> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, 
> next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.

And as Andy Morrison breaks into a few verses of "The famine is over, why 
don't you do home" the silent majority, cringes and looks at their shoes...

"Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Paddy wrote:
>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>
>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>
>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>>
>> pb
>
>
> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, 
> next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.

Andy/Drew/Morris, where have you been hiding for the last few days - 
gerritriteupye!

"I'm lovin it

The really hurting one, once again being slapped down by Walter & the
Rangers."

"Good news for Celtic

There is fucking none, feel the pain."

"Jeez

Where are all the big hard guys tonight. Right enough, if my team was as
pish as that lot I'd keep very quiet as well."

LMAO @ Andy "Drew" Morrison - an integral part of "Scotland's Shame".

On May 18, 6:07 pm, "FishSupper"  wrote:
> "Paddy"  wrote in message
>
> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>
> > ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>
> > A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>
> > I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>
> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by
> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points to
> practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a few years
> to come?
>
> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, the
> 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced their club
> and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to you - which is a> very childish way to look at things.

It wiz only Juan Ghuy
It wiz only Juan Ghuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuy
It wizny the Rainjurz
It wiz only Juan Ghuy

On May 18, 8:31 pm, "Andy Morrison" 
wrote:

>
> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why couldn't
> you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, next thing
> they'll be waking ira flynn.
>
> Andy Morrison

dont think we will be seeing him :-)

On May 18, 10:13 pm, HoopsBhoy  wrote:

> It wiz only Juan Ghuy

Speaking of which have the found the lighter thrower, coin thrower and
the mobile phone thrower yet?

"Paddy"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ZB"  wrote in message 
> news:69b89nF31dsh5U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "FishSupper"  wrote in message 
>> news:7ICdnTHSyLYn_63VnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Paddy"  wrote in message 
>>> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>>
>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>
>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>
>>> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
>>> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points 
>>> to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a 
>>> few years to come?
>>>
>>> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, 
>>> the 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced 
>>> their club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to 
>>> you - which is a very childish way to look at things.
>>
>> It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more like 
>> between one and two thousand.
>>
>> I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to 
>> Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports, letters 
>> columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live, it seems to 
>> me that many English people *are* tarring all Scots with the same brush.
>>
>> I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score over 
>> what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media to brush 
>> this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line being spun 
>> constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even though there were 
>> many wearing Rangers gear), they were not even Scottish (even though 
>> there are plenty of Scottish accents present on the videos) and it was 
>> only 200 people (even though that is not possible given the widespread 
>> damage that occured).
>>
>> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick 
>> these scumbags out of football for good.
>
> Why isn't it 'helpful' for Celtic fans to point score? Can it do any 
> damage if Celtic fans point score? ( this is one of reasons I don't come 
> here any more, far too limp wristed, if you know what I mean ).

Nothing wrong with slagging off a few bears or a bit of trolling where this 
violence is concerned, but it obviously doesn't help solve the problem. I 
have no idea what you mean by limp-wristed, who cares what other people 
post, why should it stop you posting how you feel?

> They have brought shame upon themselves and this country by their 
> neanderthal behaviour, yet again !! Rioting, looting, the images of that 
> poor policeman being surrounded by that hate filled mob will stay with me 
> forever, terrorising innocent woman and children, and don't forget the 
> elderly, oh no, nothing gets in the way of the 'peepul'.
>
> I am sickened by what happened on Wednesday night. Celtic go to Seville 
> and take over 80,000, not one arrest, awards by FIFA and UEFA for our good 
> behaviour, perfect ambassadors for our country. Rangers go 3 hours down 
> the road and riot, leaving the smell of piss, vomit and stale beer.

What is more irritating is scumbags like Bill Leckie who, instead of just 
criticising the Rangers "fans" behaviour, has to bring Celtic fans into it 
somehow. He had the cheek to take a pop at Celtic fans in Seville, despite 
the fact we won an award and our behaviour was in marked contrast to what 
happened in Manchester.

"ZB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
> news:nf6dnUpK4vN5Hq3VnZ2dnUVZ8vudnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
>> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Paddy wrote:
>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>>
>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>
>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>>>
>>> pb
>>
>>
>> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
>> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, 
>> next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.
>
> Andy/Drew/Morris, where have you been hiding for the last few days - 
> gerritriteupye!
>
> "I'm lovin it
>
> The really hurting one, once again being slapped down by Walter & the
> Rangers."
>
> "Good news for Celtic
>
> There is fucking none, feel the pain."
>
> "Jeez
>
> Where are all the big hard guys tonight. Right enough, if my team was as
> pish as that lot I'd keep very quiet as well."
>
> LMAO @ Andy "Drew" Morrison - an integral part of "Scotland's Shame".
>


Listen to the man child. You'll notice I didn't reply to any of your last 
pish.

What a big wean you are.

Andy/Drew/Morris, childish playground taunts, from a supposed grown up.

Ahve goat a life, aw youve goat is a lathe, all the while asking questions 
on what to play on a ps3, a weans playtoy, honestly, irony, you couldnae 
make it up.

Grow up junior, go get a life instead of sitting about playing silly games 
on weans toys.

Andy.

"Chuckles McGuigan"  wrote in message 
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On May 18, 8:31 pm, "Andy Morrison" 
wrote:

>
> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why couldn't
> you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, next 
> thing
> they'll be waking ira flynn.
>
> Andy Morrison

dont think we will be seeing him :-)

Why don't you think that clown?

Andy.

"Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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> "Chuckles McGuigan"  wrote in message 
> news:7319a39b-36f5-4d8c-80d4-2f7e33fe4840@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 18, 8:31 pm, "Andy Morrison" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
>> couldn't
>> you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, next 
>> thing
>> they'll be waking ira flynn.
>>
>> Andy Morrison
>
> dont think we will be seeing him :-)
>
> Why don't you think that clown?
>

Sorry Jim, thought I was replying to something else there :~)

Andy.

"Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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> "ZB"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
>> news:nf6dnUpK4vN5Hq3VnZ2dnUVZ8vudnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
>>> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Paddy wrote:
>>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>>>
>>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>>>>
>>>> pb
>>>
>>>
>>> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
>>> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in 
>>> hibernation, next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.
>>
>> Andy/Drew/Morris, where have you been hiding for the last few days - 
>> gerritriteupye!
>>
>> "I'm lovin it
>>
>> The really hurting one, once again being slapped down by Walter & the
>> Rangers."
>>
>> "Good news for Celtic
>>
>> There is fucking none, feel the pain."
>>
>> "Jeez
>>
>> Where are all the big hard guys tonight. Right enough, if my team was as
>> pish as that lot I'd keep very quiet as well."
>>
>> LMAO @ Andy "Drew" Morrison - an integral part of "Scotland's Shame".
>>
>
>
> Listen to the man child. You'll notice I didn't reply to any of your last 
> pish.

Of course not, you tend to go into meltdown after you've had the pish ripped 
out of you for a few days and disappear. You can dish it out, but you can't 
take a slagging.

> What a big wean you are.
>
> Andy/Drew/Morris, childish playground taunts, from a supposed grown up.

Better than racist bigot taunts from a racist bigot, eh Andy? What's your 
new name going to be if Rangers lose the title? You'll need to find another 
name to post under.

> Ahve goat a life, aw youve goat is a lathe, all the while asking questions 
> on what to play on a ps3, a weans playtoy, honestly, irony, you couldnae 
> make it up.

Aye, you keep telling us what a great life you have, grandpa. Whenever 
someone feels the need to go on about this fantastic life they have or all 
the money they have on usenet, I cant help thinking that the reality is the 
complete opposite.

> Grow up junior, go get a life instead of sitting about playing silly games 
> on weans toys.

I wouldn't expect an auld cunt like you to appreciate technology. Can't say 
I've ever played games on the PS3 - streaming videos and music as an 
entertainment centre is probably way beyond you. You stick to your 
turntable, your lathe and the "banter" with your made up pals...

"Chuckles McGuigan"  wrote in message 
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On May 18, 8:31 pm, "Andy Morrison" 
wrote:

>
> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why couldn't
> you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in hibernation, next 
> thing
> they'll be waking ira flynn.
>
> Andy Morrison

dont think we will be seeing him :-)

Is he deid, suicide bomb?

Andy.

"ZB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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>> "ZB"  wrote in message 
>> news:69bhgcF325p9dU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
>>> news:nf6dnUpK4vN5Hq3VnZ2dnUVZ8vudnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>>> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Paddy wrote:
>>>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> pb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
>>>> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in 
>>>> hibernation, next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.
>>>
>>> Andy/Drew/Morris, where have you been hiding for the last few days - 
>>> gerritriteupye!
>>>
>>> "I'm lovin it
>>>
>>> The really hurting one, once again being slapped down by Walter & the
>>> Rangers."
>>>
>>> "Good news for Celtic
>>>
>>> There is fucking none, feel the pain."
>>>
>>> "Jeez
>>>
>>> Where are all the big hard guys tonight. Right enough, if my team was as
>>> pish as that lot I'd keep very quiet as well."
>>>
>>> LMAO @ Andy "Drew" Morrison - an integral part of "Scotland's Shame".
>>>
>>
>>
>> Listen to the man child. You'll notice I didn't reply to any of your last 
>> pish.
>
> Of course not, you tend to go into meltdown after you've had the pish 
> ripped out of you for a few days and disappear. You can dish it out, but 
> you can't take a slagging.
>
>> What a big wean you are.
>>
>> Andy/Drew/Morris, childish playground taunts, from a supposed grown up.
>
> Better than racist bigot taunts from a racist bigot, eh Andy? What's your 
> new name going to be if Rangers lose the title? You'll need to find 
> another name to post under.
>
>> Ahve goat a life, aw youve goat is a lathe, all the while asking 
>> questions on what to play on a ps3, a weans playtoy, honestly, irony, you 
>> couldnae make it up.
>
> Aye, you keep telling us what a great life you have, grandpa. Whenever 
> someone feels the need to go on about this fantastic life they have or all 
> the money they have on usenet, I cant help thinking that the reality is 
> the complete opposite.
>
>> Grow up junior, go get a life instead of sitting about playing silly 
>> games on weans toys.
>
> I wouldn't expect an auld cunt like you to appreciate technology. Can't 
> say I've ever played games on the PS3 - streaming videos and music as an 
> entertainment centre is probably way beyond you. You stick to your 
> turntable, your lathe and the "banter" with your made up pals...
>


nah nah nah nah nah nah, childish pish & name calling again junior.

whoosh, what the fuck was that man, you playing star wars there?

Grow up.

Andy.

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>>>> news:nf6dnUpK4vN5Hq3VnZ2dnUVZ8vudnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>>>> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Paddy wrote:
>>>>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again 
>>>>>>> !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
>>>>> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in 
>>>>> hibernation, next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.
>>>>
>>>> Andy/Drew/Morris, where have you been hiding for the last few days - 
>>>> gerritriteupye!
>>>>
>>>> "I'm lovin it
>>>>
>>>> The really hurting one, once again being slapped down by Walter & the
>>>> Rangers."
>>>>
>>>> "Good news for Celtic
>>>>
>>>> There is fucking none, feel the pain."
>>>>
>>>> "Jeez
>>>>
>>>> Where are all the big hard guys tonight. Right enough, if my team was 
>>>> as
>>>> pish as that lot I'd keep very quiet as well."
>>>>
>>>> LMAO @ Andy "Drew" Morrison - an integral part of "Scotland's Shame".
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Listen to the man child. You'll notice I didn't reply to any of your 
>>> last pish.
>>
>> Of course not, you tend to go into meltdown after you've had the pish 
>> ripped out of you for a few days and disappear. You can dish it out, but 
>> you can't take a slagging.
>>
>>> What a big wean you are.
>>>
>>> Andy/Drew/Morris, childish playground taunts, from a supposed grown up.
>>
>> Better than racist bigot taunts from a racist bigot, eh Andy? What's your 
>> new name going to be if Rangers lose the title? You'll need to find 
>> another name to post under.
>>
>>> Ahve goat a life, aw youve goat is a lathe, all the while asking 
>>> questions on what to play on a ps3, a weans playtoy, honestly, irony, 
>>> you couldnae make it up.
>>
>> Aye, you keep telling us what a great life you have, grandpa. Whenever 
>> someone feels the need to go on about this fantastic life they have or 
>> all the money they have on usenet, I cant help thinking that the reality 
>> is the complete opposite.
>>
>>> Grow up junior, go get a life instead of sitting about playing silly 
>>> games on weans toys.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect an auld cunt like you to appreciate technology. Can't 
>> say I've ever played games on the PS3 - streaming videos and music as an 
>> entertainment centre is probably way beyond you. You stick to your 
>> turntable, your lathe and the "banter" with your made up pals...
>>
>
>
> nah nah nah nah nah nah, childish pish & name calling again junior.

FFS - ye couldnae mak it up. Was that you just calling me names there auld 
yin?

Away back to your love-in thread with the other racist bigot, maybe you 
could compare notes on what polis you beat up in Manchester or how you 
bottled an audio-visual engineer?

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> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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>> "ZB"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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>>>> "ZB"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Andy Morrison"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:69au7mF30fdbbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> Paddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again 
>>>>>>>> !!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm ashamed your Scottish too if that helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ooohh oohhhh his uncle lia  emmm sorry ron will be along soon, why 
>>>>>> couldn't you just have left the whole fucking rotten clan in 
>>>>>> hibernation, next thing they'll be waking ira flynn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy/Drew/Morris, where have you been hiding for the last few days - 
>>>>> gerritriteupye!
>>>>>
>>>>> "I'm lovin it
>>>>>
>>>>> The really hurting one, once again being slapped down by Walter & the
>>>>> Rangers."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Good news for Celtic
>>>>>
>>>>> There is fucking none, feel the pain."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jeez
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are all the big hard guys tonight. Right enough, if my team was 
>>>>> as
>>>>> pish as that lot I'd keep very quiet as well."
>>>>>
>>>>> LMAO @ Andy "Drew" Morrison - an integral part of "Scotland's Shame".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Listen to the man child. You'll notice I didn't reply to any of your 
>>>> last pish.
>>>
>>> Of course not, you tend to go into meltdown after you've had the pish 
>>> ripped out of you for a few days and disappear. You can dish it out, but 
>>> you can't take a slagging.
>>>
>>>> What a big wean you are.
>>>>
>>>> Andy/Drew/Morris, childish playground taunts, from a supposed grown up.
>>>
>>> Better than racist bigot taunts from a racist bigot, eh Andy? What's 
>>> your new name going to be if Rangers lose the title? You'll need to find 
>>> another name to post under.
>>>
>>>> Ahve goat a life, aw youve goat is a lathe, all the while asking 
>>>> questions on what to play on a ps3, a weans playtoy, honestly, irony, 
>>>> you couldnae make it up.
>>>
>>> Aye, you keep telling us what a great life you have, grandpa. Whenever 
>>> someone feels the need to go on about this fantastic life they have or 
>>> all the money they have on usenet, I cant help thinking that the reality 
>>> is the complete opposite.
>>>
>>>> Grow up junior, go get a life instead of sitting about playing silly 
>>>> games on weans toys.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect an auld cunt like you to appreciate technology. Can't 
>>> say I've ever played games on the PS3 - streaming videos and music as an 
>>> entertainment centre is probably way beyond you. You stick to your 
>>> turntable, your lathe and the "banter" with your made up pals...
>>>
>>
>>
>> nah nah nah nah nah nah, childish pish & name calling again junior.
>
> FFS - ye couldnae mak it up. Was that you just calling me names there auld 
> yin?
>
> Away back to your love-in thread with the other racist bigot, maybe you 
> could compare notes on what polis you beat up in Manchester or how you 
> bottled an audio-visual engineer?
>


nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah batmaaaaaaan, OK junior, I'll see if my 
grandaughter has any games she can lend you for your new ps3, at least it 
keeps you off the big bad streets & gives you a life of sorts.

Andy.

On May 18, 11:22 pm, Chuckles McGuigan 
wrote:
> On May 18, 10:13 pm, HoopsBhoy  wrote:
>
> > It wiz only Juan Ghuy
>
> Speaking of which have the found the lighter thrower, coin thrower and
> the mobile phone thrower yet?

Yeah, it was a Stoke fan who done all three.

You're not seriously trying to compare those incidents with a full
scale riot are you?

"ZB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "FishSupper"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Paddy"  wrote in message 
>> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>
>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>
>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>
>> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
>> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points 
>> to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a few 
>> years to come?
>>
>> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, the 
>> 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced their 
>> club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to you - 
>> which is a very childish way to look at things.
>
> It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more like 
> between one and two thousand.

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and is not helped by claims 
that the violence was happening 'all over the city' - it wasn't, it was in a 
couple of localised hot spots.


> I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to 
> Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports, letters 
> columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live, it seems to me 
> that many English people *are* tarring all Scots with the same brush.

There's a growing anti-Scottish sentiment in England tied in to the decline 
in the fortunes of the Labour party and the shit spewed out by the 
right-wing press about the supposed subsidising of Scotland by the English. 
(FACT: Scotland with North Sea oil is the second biggest contributor to the 
UK exchequer. Without NS oil, we're 4th. Source: Oxford University dept of 
economics - but that's by the by). And the day we listen to the English 
criticising us about football hooligans is the day I wear a green and white 
scarf. They have killed, maimed and destroyed their way across Europe for 
decades and they DARE to point fingers at us?

In any event, they have been waiting to launch into us for some time now and 
Manchester gives them the perfect opportunity. They, like the majority of 
celtic fans if this newsgroup and the phone ins are anything to go by, have 
their own agendas and are more than happy to indulge in knicker-wetting 
finger pointing and ignore the fact that  of the 150-200,000 - the biggest 
single movement of people for one event since World War II - there were a 
few hundred drunken troublemakers, some of whom were travelling casuals from 
elsewhere.

I'm not trying to say that the great majority of the troublemakers weren't 
Rangers 'fans', - they were - but it would be naive to think that the 
football casuals wouldn't turn up to an event like this. I suspect that the 
'main events' of the evening were planned by the casuals from rangers and 
elsewhere but that the great majority of the violence was executed by the 
footsoldier neds in Rangers colours.

> I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score over 
> what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media to brush 
> this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line being spun 
> constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even though there were many 
> wearing Rangers gear), they were not even Scottish (even though there are 
> plenty of Scottish accents present on the videos) and it was only 200 
> people (even though that is not possible given the widespread damage that 
> occured).
>
> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick these 
> scumbags out of football for good.

Although Rangers FC have been working very hard for some time to get rid of 
this problem, progress has been slow and it's time now to get serious.

Rangers is identified as being part of this 'Blues Brothers' coalition of 
unionist/loyalist right wingers and this is what RFC has to work to 
eradicate. I would introduce the following 7 measures.

1. Stop all the Dambuster, Land of Hope and Glory shit blaring out of the 
loudspeakers.
2. No flags of any kind (Israel, Ulster etc) other than the saltire & union 
jack to be flown inside Ibrox and no articles of clothing with 
political/sectarian slogans to be admitted into the stadium.
3. Any supporters bus which is identified as carrying these flags singing 
prohibited songs on the way to, at or going home from the match to have 
their tickets withdrawn. The entire bus.
4. Any fan found without a ticket at future European away games to have 
their season ticket withdrawn and Rangers to publicly and unequivocably 
demand that supporters without tickets do not travel.
5. Murray and the Rangers board should come out and clearly disassociate 
themselves from the political mischief makers.
6. Publish the names and photographs of all those convicted of violence in 
Manchester in the local and national press.

And here's number 7.

7. Bearing in mind how sickened we all are by the cunts in Manchester, 
Murray should come out and apologise publicly on behalf of Rangers FC to the 
city of Mnachester, UEFA and to the fans of Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts and all 
the other clubs in Scotland and to the Tartan Army for the behaviour of 
rangers 'fans' in Manchester.

That scum shamed Scotland worldwide and it's time for some Mea Culpa from 
Rangers - and never mind that RFC wasn't directly responsible. The result 
will be humiliation on the part of the entire Rangers support and, properly 
channelled, this humiliation can be turned against the bigots for being the 
cause of it.

I think there is an opportunity now for a sea-change at Ibrox. The 99% 
whould behaved themselves at Manchester are the same 99% who make up the 
crowd at Ibrox and everybody I know is totally sickened by having the club 
and themselves tarred with that brush - so christ knows what it's like for 
the rest of you.

The simple fact of the matter is that Rangers is a magnet for that type of 
sectarian, fascist scum.
The problem is that RFC has consistantly looked at the extent of the problem 
and underestimated the depth of the problem.
The extent of the problem is very small in comparison to the size of the 
rangers support, which is utterly massive.
However, the depth of the problem is very deep indeed, i.e these cunts are 
here and here to stay because they have nowhere else to go - and they aren't 
just going to give up and change their lifestyles because Murray introduces 
family friendly policies and seating areas at Ibrox and prohibits the 
singing of the Billy Boys.

Rangers made an estimated £20m from this European campaign. A £2m donation 
to Manchester and the other £18m spend eradicating the scum would be money 
well spent. Private prosecutions are the way to go if you ask me - a few 
dozen is all it would take.

"HoopsBhoy"  wrote in message 
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On May 18, 11:22 pm, Chuckles McGuigan 
wrote:
> On May 18, 10:13 pm, HoopsBhoy  wrote:
>
> > It wiz only Juan Ghuy
>
> Speaking of which have the found the lighter thrower, coin thrower and
> the mobile phone thrower yet?

Yeah, it was a Stoke fan who done all three.

You're not seriously trying to compare those incidents with a full
scale riot are you?

Isnt jim the one who says the celtic way is sweeping it under the carpet? 
2000 rioters worse than three idiots (Dont condone the three and hope they 
get life bans) . Mind you notice him and his knuckle dragging mates come 
back at the same time to the NG,must have been in the same cell!

JB

"FishSupper"  wrote in message 
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<snip>
>> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick 
>> these scumbags out of football for good.
>
> Although Rangers FC have been working very hard for some time to get rid 
> of this problem, progress has been slow and it's time now to get serious.
>
> Rangers is identified as being part of this 'Blues Brothers' coalition of 
> unionist/loyalist right wingers and this is what RFC has to work to 
> eradicate. I would introduce the following 7 measures.
>
> 1. Stop all the Dambuster, Land of Hope and Glory shit blaring out of the 
> loudspeakers.
> 2. No flags of any kind (Israel, Ulster etc) other than the saltire & 
> union jack to be flown inside Ibrox and no articles of clothing with 
> political/sectarian slogans to be admitted into the stadium.
> 3. Any supporters bus which is identified as carrying these flags singing 
> prohibited songs on the way to, at or going home from the match to have 
> their tickets withdrawn. The entire bus.
> 4. Any fan found without a ticket at future European away games to have 
> their season ticket withdrawn and Rangers to publicly and unequivocably 
> demand that supporters without tickets do not travel.
> 5. Murray and the Rangers board should come out and clearly disassociate 
> themselves from the political mischief makers.
> 6. Publish the names and photographs of all those convicted of violence in 
> Manchester in the local and national press.
>
> And here's number 7.
>
> 7. Bearing in mind how sickened we all are by the cunts in Manchester, 
> Murray should come out and apologise publicly on behalf of Rangers FC to 
> the city of Mnachester, UEFA and to the fans of Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts 
> and all the other clubs in Scotland and to the Tartan Army for the 
> behaviour of rangers 'fans' in Manchester.
>
> That scum shamed Scotland worldwide and it's time for some Mea Culpa from 
> Rangers - and never mind that RFC wasn't directly responsible. The result 
> will be humiliation on the part of the entire Rangers support and, 
> properly channelled, this humiliation can be turned against the bigots for 
> being the cause of it.
>
> I think there is an opportunity now for a sea-change at Ibrox. The 99% 
> whould behaved themselves at Manchester are the same 99% who make up the 
> crowd at Ibrox and everybody I know is totally sickened by having the club 
> and themselves tarred with that brush - so christ knows what it's like for 
> the rest of you.
>
> The simple fact of the matter is that Rangers is a magnet for that type of 
> sectarian, fascist scum.
> The problem is that RFC has consistantly looked at the extent of the 
> problem and underestimated the depth of the problem.
> The extent of the problem is very small in comparison to the size of the 
> rangers support, which is utterly massive.
> However, the depth of the problem is very deep indeed, i.e these cunts are 
> here and here to stay because they have nowhere else to go - and they 
> aren't just going to give up and change their lifestyles because Murray 
> introduces family friendly policies and seating areas at Ibrox and 
> prohibits the singing of the Billy Boys.

I think you have made a lot of great points and suggestions. There are a 
large number of Rangers fans who really only care about football and couldnt 
give a shit about the politics. However, I think there is still a hard core 
of so-called respectable fans who strongly oppose any changes to the 
traditions that you and I and many others believe should belong in the past. 
They view any attempts by Murray and Bain to distance themselves as an 
affront to these traditions. It's natural that people want to hold on to 
things from the past, but to move on and make progress, you have to let them 
go.

In article , life@sea.com says...
> 
> "ZB"  wrote in message 
> news:69b89nF31dsh5U1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "FishSupper"  wrote in message 
> > news:7ICdnTHSyLYn_63VnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
> >>
> >> "Paddy"  wrote in message 
> >> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
> >>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
> >>>
> >>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
> >>>
> >>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
> >>
> >> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
> >> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points 
> >> to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a few 
> >> years to come?
> >>
> >> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, the 
> >> 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced their 
> >> club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to you - 
> >> which is a very childish way to look at things.
> >
> > It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more like 
> > between one and two thousand.
> 
> The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and is not helped by claims 
> that the violence was happening 'all over the city' - it wasn't, it was in a 
> couple of localised hot spots.
> 
> 
> > I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to 
> > Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports, letters 
> > columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live, it seems to me 
> > that many English people *are* tarring all Scots with the same brush.
> 
> There's a growing anti-Scottish sentiment in England tied in to the decline 
> in the fortunes of the Labour party and the shit spewed out by the 
> right-wing press about the supposed subsidising of Scotland by the English. 
> (FACT: Scotland with North Sea oil is the second biggest contributor to the 
> UK exchequer. Without NS oil, we're 4th. Source: Oxford University dept of 
> economics - but that's by the by). And the day we listen to the English 
> criticising us about football hooligans is the day I wear a green and white 
> scarf. They have killed, maimed and destroyed their way across Europe for 
> decades and they DARE to point fingers at us?
> 
> In any event, they have been waiting to launch into us for some time now and 
> Manchester gives them the perfect opportunity. They, like the majority of 
> celtic fans if this newsgroup and the phone ins are anything to go by, have 
> their own agendas and are more than happy to indulge in knicker-wetting 
> finger pointing and ignore the fact that  of the 150-200,000 - the biggest 
> single movement of people for one event since World War II - there were a 
> few hundred drunken troublemakers, some of whom were travelling casuals from 
> elsewhere.
> 
> I'm not trying to say that the great majority of the troublemakers weren't 
> Rangers 'fans', - they were - but it would be naive to think that the 
> football casuals wouldn't turn up to an event like this. I suspect that the 
> 'main events' of the evening were planned by the casuals from rangers and 
> elsewhere but that the great majority of the violence was executed by the 
> footsoldier neds in Rangers colours.
> 
> > I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score over 
> > what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media to brush 
> > this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line being spun 
> > constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even though there were many 
> > wearing Rangers gear), they were not even Scottish (even though there are 
> > plenty of Scottish accents present on the videos) and it was only 200 
> > people (even though that is not possible given the widespread damage that 
> > occured).
> >
> > I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick these 
> > scumbags out of football for good.
> 
> Although Rangers FC have been working very hard for some time to get rid of 
> this problem, progress has been slow and it's time now to get serious.
> 
> Rangers is identified as being part of this 'Blues Brothers' coalition of 
> unionist/loyalist right wingers and this is what RFC has to work to 
> eradicate. I would introduce the following 7 measures.

Read and snipped.

Truly excellent post FS. 

Jim

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> "ZB"  wrote in message 
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>> "FishSupper"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "Paddy"  wrote in message 
>>> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet again !!
>>>>
>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>
>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>
>>> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by 
>>> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient points 
>>> to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish champions for a 
>>> few years to come?
>>>
>>> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers FC, 
>>> the 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who disgraced 
>>> their club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just 'Rangers' to 
>>> you - which is a very childish way to look at things.
>>
>> It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more like 
>> between one and two thousand.
>
> The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and is not helped by 
> claims that the violence was happening 'all over the city' - it wasn't, it 
> was in a couple of localised hot spots.
>
>
>> I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to 
>> Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports, letters 
>> columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live, it seems to 
>> me that many English people *are* tarring all Scots with the same brush.
>
> There's a growing anti-Scottish sentiment in England tied in to the 
> decline in the fortunes of the Labour party and the shit spewed out by the 
> right-wing press about the supposed subsidising of Scotland by the 
> English. (FACT: Scotland with North Sea oil is the second biggest 
> contributor to the UK exchequer. Without NS oil, we're 4th. Source: Oxford 
> University dept of economics - but that's by the by). And the day we 
> listen to the English criticising us about football hooligans is the day I 
> wear a green and white scarf. They have killed, maimed and destroyed their 
> way across Europe for decades and they DARE to point fingers at us?
>
> In any event, they have been waiting to launch into us for some time now 
> and Manchester gives them the perfect opportunity. They, like the majority 
> of celtic fans if this newsgroup and the phone ins are anything to go by, 
> have their own agendas and are more than happy to indulge in 
> knicker-wetting finger pointing and ignore the fact that  of the 
> 150-200,000 - the biggest single movement of people for one event since 
> World War II - there were a few hundred drunken troublemakers, some of 
> whom were travelling casuals from elsewhere.
>
> I'm not trying to say that the great majority of the troublemakers weren't 
> Rangers 'fans', - they were - but it would be naive to think that the 
> football casuals wouldn't turn up to an event like this. I suspect that 
> the 'main events' of the evening were planned by the casuals from rangers 
> and elsewhere but that the great majority of the violence was executed by 
> the footsoldier neds in Rangers colours.
>
>> I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score over 
>> what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media to brush 
>> this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The line being spun 
>> constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even though there were 
>> many wearing Rangers gear), they were not even Scottish (even though 
>> there are plenty of Scottish accents present on the videos) and it was 
>> only 200 people (even though that is not possible given the widespread 
>> damage that occured).
>>
>> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to kick 
>> these scumbags out of football for good.
>
> Although Rangers FC have been working very hard for some time to get rid 
> of this problem, progress has been slow and it's time now to get serious.
>
> Rangers is identified as being part of this 'Blues Brothers' coalition of 
> unionist/loyalist right wingers and this is what RFC has to work to 
> eradicate. I would introduce the following 7 measures.
>
> 1. Stop all the Dambuster, Land of Hope and Glory shit blaring out of the 
> loudspeakers.
> 2. No flags of any kind (Israel, Ulster etc) other than the saltire & 
> union jack to be flown inside Ibrox and no articles of clothing with 
> political/sectarian slogans to be admitted into the stadium.
> 3. Any supporters bus which is identified as carrying these flags singing 
> prohibited songs on the way to, at or going home from the match to have 
> their tickets withdrawn. The entire bus.
> 4. Any fan found without a ticket at future European away games to have 
> their season ticket withdrawn and Rangers to publicly and unequivocably 
> demand that supporters without tickets do not travel.
> 5. Murray and the Rangers board should come out and clearly disassociate 
> themselves from the political mischief makers.
> 6. Publish the names and photographs of all those convicted of violence in 
> Manchester in the local and national press.
>
> And here's number 7.
>
> 7. Bearing in mind how sickened we all are by the cunts in Manchester, 
> Murray should come out and apologise publicly on behalf of Rangers FC to 
> the city of Mnachester, UEFA and to the fans of Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts 
> and all the other clubs in Scotland and to the Tartan Army for the 
> behaviour of rangers 'fans' in Manchester.
>
> That scum shamed Scotland worldwide and it's time for some Mea Culpa from 
> Rangers - and never mind that RFC wasn't directly responsible. The result 
> will be humiliation on the part of the entire Rangers support and, 
> properly channelled, this humiliation can be turned against the bigots for 
> being the cause of it.
>
> I think there is an opportunity now for a sea-change at Ibrox. The 99% 
> whould behaved themselves at Manchester are the same 99% who make up the 
> crowd at Ibrox and everybody I know is totally sickened by having the club 
> and themselves tarred with that brush - so christ knows what it's like for 
> the rest of you.
>
> The simple fact of the matter is that Rangers is a magnet for that type of 
> sectarian, fascist scum.
> The problem is that RFC has consistantly looked at the extent of the 
> problem and underestimated the depth of the problem.
> The extent of the problem is very small in comparison to the size of the 
> rangers support, which is utterly massive.
> However, the depth of the problem is very deep indeed, i.e these cunts are 
> here and here to stay because they have nowhere else to go - and they 
> aren't just going to give up and change their lifestyles because Murray 
> introduces family friendly policies and seating areas at Ibrox and 
> prohibits the singing of the Billy Boys.
>
> Rangers made an estimated £20m from this European campaign. A £2m donation 
> to Manchester and the other £18m spend eradicating the scum would be money 
> well spent. Private prosecutions are the way to go if you ask me - a few 
> dozen is all it would take.

An excellent post and for me to add a few things would be churlish. Your 
desire is clear and with that fine sentiment FishSupper, and the sentiment 
of those fine Rangers fans that left scarfs etc in memory of Tommy Burns, 
the future of your club will be secure.

Jim Mason wrote:
> In article , life@sea.com
> says...
>>
>> "ZB"  wrote in message
>> news:69b89nF31dsh5U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "FishSupper"  wrote in message
>>> news:7ICdnTHSyLYn_63VnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Paddy"  wrote in message
>>>> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...
>>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet
>>>>> again !!
>>>>>
>>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>
>>>> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by
>>>> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient
>>>> points to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish
>>>> champions for a few years to come?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers
>>>> FC, the 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who
>>>> disgraced their club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just
>>>> 'Rangers' to you - which is a very childish way to look at things.
>>>
>>> It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more
>>> like between one and two thousand.
>>
>> The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and is not helped by
>> claims that the violence was happening 'all over the city' - it
>> wasn't, it was in a couple of localised hot spots.
>>
>>
>>> I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to
>>> Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports,
>>> letters columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live,
>>> it seems to me that many English people *are* tarring all Scots
>>> with the same brush.
>>
>> There's a growing anti-Scottish sentiment in England tied in to the
>> decline in the fortunes of the Labour party and the shit spewed out
>> by the right-wing press about the supposed subsidising of Scotland
>> by the English. (FACT: Scotland with North Sea oil is the second
>> biggest contributor to the UK exchequer. Without NS oil, we're 4th.
>> Source: Oxford University dept of economics - but that's by the by).
>> And the day we listen to the English criticising us about football
>> hooligans is the day I wear a green and white scarf. They have
>> killed, maimed and destroyed their way across Europe for decades and
>> they DARE to point fingers at us?
>>
>> In any event, they have been waiting to launch into us for some time
>> now and Manchester gives them the perfect opportunity. They, like
>> the majority of celtic fans if this newsgroup and the phone ins are
>> anything to go by, have their own agendas and are more than happy to
>> indulge in knicker-wetting finger pointing and ignore the fact that
>> of the 150-200,000 - the biggest single movement of people for one
>> event since World War II - there were a few hundred drunken
>> troublemakers, some of whom were travelling casuals from elsewhere.
>>
>> I'm not trying to say that the great majority of the troublemakers
>> weren't Rangers 'fans', - they were - but it would be naive to think
>> that the football casuals wouldn't turn up to an event like this. I
>> suspect that the 'main events' of the evening were planned by the
>> casuals from rangers and elsewhere but that the great majority of
>> the violence was executed by the footsoldier neds in Rangers colours.
>>
>>> I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score
>>> over what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media
>>> to brush this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The
>>> line being spun constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even
>>> though there were many wearing Rangers gear), they were not even
>>> Scottish (even though there are plenty of Scottish accents present
>>> on the videos) and it was only 200 people (even though that is not
>>> possible given the widespread damage that occured).
>>>
>>> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to
>>> kick these scumbags out of football for good.
>>
>> Although Rangers FC have been working very hard for some time to get
>> rid of this problem, progress has been slow and it's time now to get
>> serious.
>>
>> Rangers is identified as being part of this 'Blues Brothers'
>> coalition of unionist/loyalist right wingers and this is what RFC
>> has to work to eradicate. I would introduce the following 7 measures.
>
> Read and snipped.
>
> Truly excellent post FS.
>
> Jim

Seconded.  Zero tolreance is the way to treat these fuckers.  If Rangers 
decided to ban ALL fans from away European games for a period of time, I 
wouldn't argue.  Drastic measures, I know, and an affront to the 99.9% of us 
that don't cause trouble, but we NEED to eradicate these cunts NOW.