Good luck to him.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm

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"Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
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> Good luck to him.
>
>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Psychobudgie
>
> Very deep. You should send that into Reader's Digest, they've got a page
> for people like you. - Douglas Adams

Cant help but feel very disappointed over this.Does feel like he used the 
vacant scotland job as a stepping stone knowing WS really had implemented 
the improvements.Sadly managing the international team doesnt seem much of 
an honour these days!

JB

Jonbhoy wrote:
> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
> news:5r2sdhF12h7n6U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Good luck to him.
>>
>>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Psychobudgie
>>
>> Very deep. You should send that into Reader's Digest, they've got a page
>> for people like you. - Douglas Adams
> 
> Cant help but feel very disappointed over this.Does feel like he used the 
> vacant scotland job as a stepping stone knowing WS really had implemented 
> the improvements.Sadly managing the international team doesnt seem much of 
> an honour these days!
> 
> JB 
> 
> 

Or payday.

At the time though I didn't notice anyone else clambering to be 
appointed to the post.

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"Psychobudgie"  wrote
> Good luck to him.
>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm

Say what you like about Andy Roxburgh, Craig Brown and even Berti Vogts, but 
at least they were committed to the job. Walter and Big Eck have treated the 
job as a stepping stone. At least have the courtesy to stay for the full 
term of a qualifying campaign, which neither of them did.

I read recently that the average tenure for a manager is only a couple of 
years anyway. What exactly is he going to be able to achieve at Birmingham? 
The best they can hope for is qualify for the UEFA Cup and a good cup run.

Stevio wrote:
> "Psychobudgie"  wrote
>> Good luck to him.
>>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm
> 
> Say what you like about Andy Roxburgh, Craig Brown and even Berti Vogts, but 
> at least they were committed to the job. Walter and Big Eck have treated the 
> job as a stepping stone. At least have the courtesy to stay for the full 
> term of a qualifying campaign, which neither of them did.
> 
> I read recently that the average tenure for a manager is only a couple of 
> years anyway. What exactly is he going to be able to achieve at Birmingham? 
> The best they can hope for is qualify for the UEFA Cup and a good cup run. 
> 
> 

They stayed as nobody else was interested in hiring them.

I'm sure that the queue outside the SFA will be chocker with patriotic 
Scottish managers wanting the job.
I suspect Moyes and Strachan will be right at the front of the queue.

</sarcasm>

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>
> They stayed as nobody else was interested in hiring them.
>
> I'm sure that the queue outside the SFA will be chocker with patriotic
> Scottish managers wanting the job.
> I suspect Moyes and Strachan will be right at the front of the queue.

I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!

"Commander Gideon"  wrote in message 
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> >
>> They stayed as nobody else was interested in hiring them.
>>
>> I'm sure that the queue outside the SFA will be chocker with patriotic
>> Scottish managers wanting the job.
>> I suspect Moyes and Strachan will be right at the front of the queue.
>
> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>

he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have the 
required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.

"Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
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> Jonbhoy wrote:
>> "Psychobudgie"  wrote in message 
>> news:5r2sdhF12h7n6U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Good luck to him.
>>>
>>>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Psychobudgie
>>>
>>> Very deep. You should send that into Reader's Digest, they've got a page
>>> for people like you. - Douglas Adams
>>
>> Cant help but feel very disappointed over this.Does feel like he used the 
>> vacant scotland job as a stepping stone knowing WS really had implemented 
>> the improvements.Sadly managing the international team doesnt seem much 
>> of an honour these days!
>>
>> JB
>
> Or payday.
>
> At the time though I didn't notice anyone else clambering to be appointed 
> to the post.

Maybe because he was the only prominent Scot out of a job at the time!

JB

"Bryan"  wrote
>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>
> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have the 
> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull out of 
Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to remember 
hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.

"Psychobudgie" wrote
>
> Good luck to him.
>
>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm


I've not hard feelings towards Eck. He did all he could do for Scotland. 
Really looking forward to the Birmingham derby. Will be interesting to see 
how he shapes up against MON in the Premier League. I wonder if 
anti-football will save him from relegation to the Championship?

"Stevio"  wrote in message 
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> "Bryan"  wrote
>>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>>
>> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have the 
>> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull out of 
> Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to 
> remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
>

possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind Denis 
Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were 
probably the most successful players at club level in the history of 
"Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to win 
than League titles..

In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>, 
bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
> 
> "Stevio"  wrote in message 
> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> > "Bryan"  wrote
> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
> >>
> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have the 
> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull out of 
> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to 
> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
> >
> 
> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind Denis 
> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were 
> probably the most successful players at club level in the history of 
> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to win 
> than League titles.. 

But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager - which is why 
he is currently not in a managerial position.

Jim

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"Jim Mason"  wrote in message 
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> In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
> bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
>>
>> "Stevio"  wrote in message
>> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> > "Bryan"  wrote
>> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>> >>
>> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have 
>> >> the
>> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
>> >
>> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull out 
>> > of
>> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to
>> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
>> >
>>
>> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind 
>> Denis
>> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were
>> probably the most successful players at club level in the history of
>> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to win
>> than League titles..
>
> But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager - which 
> is why
> he is currently not in a managerial position.
>

he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial experience 
worth talking about and he is a candidate!

"Bryan"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.21b6a17bf32125598a831@news.individual.net...
>> In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
>> bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
>>>
>>> "Stevio"  wrote in message
>>> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>>> > "Bryan"  wrote
>>> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>>> >>
>>> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have 
>>> >> the
>>> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
>>> >
>>> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull 
>>> > out of
>>> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to
>>> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
>>> >
>>>
>>> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind 
>>> Denis
>>> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were
>>> probably the most successful players at club level in the history of
>>> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to win
>>> than League titles..
>>
>> But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager - which 
>> is why
>> he is currently not in a managerial position.
>>
>
> he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial 
> experience worth talking about and he is a candidate!
Well if he is an SFA candidate then the whole of the SFA should resign!

JB

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> 
> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.21b6a17bf32125598a831@news.individual.net...
> > In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
> >>
> >> "Stevio"  wrote in message
> >> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> >> > "Bryan"  wrote
> >> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
> >> >>
> >> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will have 
> >> >> the
> >> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
> >> >
> >> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull out 
> >> > of
> >> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to
> >> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
> >> >
> >>
> >> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind 
> >> Denis
> >> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were
> >> probably the most successful players at club level in the history of
> >> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to win
> >> than League titles..
> >
> > But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager - which 
> > is why
> > he is currently not in a managerial position.
> >
> 
> he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial experience 
> worth talking about and he is a candidate! 

Thick Jim could have done a good job with the money Souness had thrown at him 
at Ibrox. Souness was very quickly found out everywhere else he managed and is 
the reason he is now confined to punditry.

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"Jim Mason"  wrote in message 
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> In article <Zu13j.609$qg1.176@newsfet10.ams>, 
> bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk
> says...
>>
>> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
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>> > In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
>> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
>> >>
>> >> "Stevio"  wrote in message
>> >> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> >> > "Bryan"  wrote
>> >> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will 
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull 
>> >> > out
>> >> > of
>> >> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to
>> >> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind
>> >> Denis
>> >> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were
>> >> probably the most successful players at club level in the history of
>> >> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to 
>> >> win
>> >> than League titles..
>> >
>> > But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager - 
>> > which
>> > is why
>> > he is currently not in a managerial position.
>> >
>>
>> he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial 
>> experience
>> worth talking about and he is a candidate!
>
> Thick Jim could have done a good job with the money Souness had thrown at 
> him
> at Ibrox. Souness was very quickly found out everywhere else he managed 
> and is
> the reason he is now confined to punditry.
>

point taken but that is where an international manager is different. Richard 
Gough is backing GS today on the radio. How about the great Kenny for 
manager? The fact is no manager will succeed at the very top for long these 
days without quite a bit of money. The fact that a manager didn't succeed at 
Newcastle in particular shouldn't be too surprising. There comes a time when 
it is more than the manager that needs to go!

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> 
> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message 
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> > In article <Zu13j.609$qg1.176@newsfet10.ams>, 
> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk
> > says...
> >>
> >> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
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> >> > In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
> >> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Stevio"  wrote in message
> >> >> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> >> >> > "Bryan"  wrote
> >> >> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will 
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to pull 
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem to
> >> >> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one behind
> >> >> Denis
> >> >> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D were
> >> >> probably the most successful players at club level in the history of
> >> >> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder to 
> >> >> win
> >> >> than League titles..
> >> >
> >> > But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager - 
> >> > which
> >> > is why
> >> > he is currently not in a managerial position.
> >> >
> >>
> >> he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial 
> >> experience
> >> worth talking about and he is a candidate!
> >
> > Thick Jim could have done a good job with the money Souness had thrown at 
> > him
> > at Ibrox. Souness was very quickly found out everywhere else he managed 
> > and is
> > the reason he is now confined to punditry.
> >
> 
> point taken but that is where an international manager is different. Richard 
> Gough is backing GS today on the radio. How about the great Kenny for 
> manager? The fact is no manager will succeed at the very top for long these 
> days without quite a bit of money. The fact that a manager didn't succeed at 
> Newcastle in particular shouldn't be too surprising. There comes a time when 
> it is more than the manager that needs to go! 

Agreed about Newcastle - but when you fail at Liverpool, Benfica, Southampton, 
Galatasaray and eventually get chased from Blackburn Rovers after an initial 
good start - _ would suggest Scotland will steer well clear of Souness. His 
man-management skills are dire and the thought that he would expect players to 
deal in the sort of on-field thuggery he was famed for - makes the thought of 
him in charge unpalatable.

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"Jim Mason"  wrote in message
> Agreed about Newcastle - but when you fail at Liverpool, Benfica,
> Southampton,
> Galatasaray and eventually get chased from Blackburn Rovers after an
> initial

I am not sure what you class as failure. Look at his record (in management)
of honours won. Winning trophies at 4 different clubs is not too bad,
although he would not be my first choice for Scotland manager.

Rangers
Winners
1986-87 Scottish League Cup
1986-87 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1987-88 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1989-90 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1990-91 Scottish League Cup
1990-91 Scottish Premier League (Level 1) (Left with 5 games to go)

Liverpool
Winners
1991-92 FA Cup

Galatasaray
Winners
1995-96 Turkish Cup
1996-97 Turkish Super Cup

Blackburn Rovers
Winners
2001-02 League Cup

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> In article <MRa3j.324204$CT3.202934@newsfet01.ams>,
> bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
>>
>> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
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>> > In article <Zu13j.609$qg1.176@newsfet10.ams>,
>> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
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>> >> > In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
>> >> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Stevio"  wrote in message
>> >> >> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> >> >> > "Bryan"  wrote
>> >> >> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as 
>> >> >> >> well.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to 
>> >> >> > pull
>> >> >> > out
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem 
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one 
>> >> >> behind
>> >> >> Denis
>> >> >> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D 
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> probably the most successful players at club level in the history 
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> win
>> >> >> than League titles..
>> >> >
>> >> > But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager -
>> >> > which
>> >> > is why
>> >> > he is currently not in a managerial position.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial
>> >> experience
>> >> worth talking about and he is a candidate!
>> >
>> > Thick Jim could have done a good job with the money Souness had thrown 
>> > at
>> > him
>> > at Ibrox. Souness was very quickly found out everywhere else he managed
>> > and is
>> > the reason he is now confined to punditry.
>> >
>>
>> point taken but that is where an international manager is different. 
>> Richard
>> Gough is backing GS today on the radio. How about the great Kenny for
>> manager? The fact is no manager will succeed at the very top for long 
>> these
>> days without quite a bit of money. The fact that a manager didn't succeed 
>> at
>> Newcastle in particular shouldn't be too surprising. There comes a time 
>> when
>> it is more than the manager that needs to go!
>
> Agreed about Newcastle - but when you fail at Liverpool, Benfica, 
> Southampton,
> Galatasaray and eventually get chased from Blackburn Rovers after an 
> initial
> good start - _ would suggest Scotland will steer well clear of Souness. 
> His
> man-management skills are dire and the thought that he would expect 
> players to
> deal in the sort of on-field thuggery he was famed for - makes the thought 
> of
> him in charge unpalatable.
>

ok Jim who are you backing? I still think GS would make a good Scotland 
manager but who do you want to see?

"Stevio"  wrote in message 
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> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
>> Agreed about Newcastle - but when you fail at Liverpool, Benfica,
>> Southampton,
>> Galatasaray and eventually get chased from Blackburn Rovers after an
>> initial
>
> I am not sure what you class as failure. Look at his record (in 
> management)
> of honours won. Winning trophies at 4 different clubs is not too bad,
> although he would not be my first choice for Scotland manager.
>
> Rangers
> Winners
> 1986-87 Scottish League Cup
> 1986-87 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
> 1987-88 Scottish League Cup
> 1988-89 Scottish League Cup
> 1988-89 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
> 1989-90 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
> 1990-91 Scottish League Cup
> 1990-91 Scottish Premier League (Level 1) (Left with 5 games to go)

Had a huge amount of money to play with during that time,far eclipsing 
anyone else at that time so if he had failed i doubt he would have ever 
worked again!!

> Liverpool
> Winners
> 1991-92 FA Cup

And the players didnt get on with him and managed to alienate himself with 
most of the fans too!

> Galatasaray
> Winners
> 1995-96 Turkish Cup
> 1996-97 Turkish Super Cup

Another Rangers ituation...only this time he nearly managed to start a riot 
one night with his stupidity!

> Blackburn Rovers
> Winners
> 2001-02 League Cup

Again hated by the fans for his stupid tactical errors!

Souness is a farce and should stick to TV work.

JB

"Jonbhoy"  wrote in message
>> I am not sure what you class as failure. Look at his record (in 
>> management)
>> of honours won. Winning trophies at 4 different clubs is not too bad,
>> although he would not be my first choice for Scotland manager.
>
> Souness is a farce and should stick to TV work.


Trophies won at 4 different clubs, despite the stuff you say you can't deny 
that. Plenty of managers have had money to work with and failed. As I say 
though, he wouldn't be my first choice, I just think his record deserves 
more credit than you are giving him.

"Bryan"  wrote in message 
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>

>
> ok Jim who are you backing? I still think GS would make a good Scotland 
> manager but who do you want to see?

Souness can't manage men. We need somebody with reasonable motivational 
skills and good tactical awareness and can get average to good players 
playing above themselves. I'd go for Jimmy Calderwood or Craig Levein - 
possibly even Jim Jeffries.

"FishSupper"  wrote in message 
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> Souness can't manage men. We need somebody with reasonable motivational 
> skills and good tactical awareness and can get average to good players 
> playing above themselves. I'd go for Jimmy Calderwood or Craig Levein - 
> possibly even Jim Jeffries.

That's a good point about Souness, if he falls out with someone, he can't 
sell them and buy a replacement. You need to work with and get the best our 
of what you've got with Scotland.

"Stevio"  wrote in message 
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> "Jonbhoy"  wrote in message
>>> I am not sure what you class as failure. Look at his record (in 
>>> management)
>>> of honours won. Winning trophies at 4 different clubs is not too bad,
>>> although he would not be my first choice for Scotland manager.
>>
>> Souness is a farce and should stick to TV work.
>
>
> Trophies won at 4 different clubs, despite the stuff you say you can't 
> deny that. Plenty of managers have had money to work with and failed. As I 
> say though, he wouldn't be my first choice, I just think his record 
> deserves more credit than you are giving him.

Its not just money,its in areas where one team stood out money wise the same 
way chelsea did in the epl in comparrison to the clubs around him.Happened 
at Galatasary and happened at Rangers.As for the FA cup even Millwall have 
got to the final in recent years !!! Players in some clubs have hated him in 
numbers,and most fans in clubs hes been at didnt rate him much more.Hes a 
road crash of a manager hence the reason no one will employ him now!He 
wouldnt be my first or last choice,wouldnt even be on the list.

> possibly even Jim Jeffries. 
>

Oh please god, no

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> 
> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.21b74d9fde6464a998a833@news.individual.net...
> > In article <MRa3j.324204$CT3.202934@newsfet01.ams>,
> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
> >>
> >> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.21b739571d92c4c898a832@news.individual.net...
> >> > In article <Zu13j.609$qg1.176@newsfet10.ams>,
> >> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk
> >> > says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jim Mason"  wrote in message
> >> >> news:MPG.21b6a17bf32125598a831@news.individual.net...
> >> >> > In article <73_2j.141187$ER5.82084@newsfet01.ams>,
> >> >> > bhendersonNOSPAM@freenet.co.uk says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Stevio"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:d7Y2j.49995$T8.49363@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> >> >> >> > "Bryan"  wrote
> >> >> >> >>> I bet it will be Souness who gets the job!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> he seems like he is well qualified for the Scotland job and will
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> required amount of passion.. I was putting my money on him as 
> >> >> >> >> well.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Souness someone who used to 
> >> >> >> > pull
> >> >> >> > out
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > Scotland squads when he did not actually have an injury? I seem 
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > remember hearing that in the past, but I could be wrong.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> possibly but he has 54 caps for Scotland which is 17= and one 
> >> >> >> behind
> >> >> >> Denis
> >> >> >> Law. He had a very successful club career in fact him and Kenny D 
> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> probably the most successful players at club level in the history 
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> "Scottish" football bearing in mind that European cups are harder 
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> win
> >> >> >> than League titles..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But much more importantly he has proved to be an abysmal manager -
> >> >> > which
> >> >> > is why
> >> >> > he is currently not in a managerial position.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> he did quite well at Rangers. Gary MacAllister has no managerial
> >> >> experience
> >> >> worth talking about and he is a candidate!
> >> >
> >> > Thick Jim could have done a good job with the money Souness had thrown 
> >> > at
> >> > him
> >> > at Ibrox. Souness was very quickly found out everywhere else he managed
> >> > and is
> >> > the reason he is now confined to punditry.
> >> >
> >>
> >> point taken but that is where an international manager is different. 
> >> Richard
> >> Gough is backing GS today on the radio. How about the great Kenny for
> >> manager? The fact is no manager will succeed at the very top for long 
> >> these
> >> days without quite a bit of money. The fact that a manager didn't succeed 
> >> at
> >> Newcastle in particular shouldn't be too surprising. There comes a time 
> >> when
> >> it is more than the manager that needs to go!
> >
> > Agreed about Newcastle - but when you fail at Liverpool, Benfica, 
> > Southampton,
> > Galatasaray and eventually get chased from Blackburn Rovers after an 
> > initial
> > good start - _ would suggest Scotland will steer well clear of Souness. 
> > His
> > man-management skills are dire and the thought that he would expect 
> > players to
> > deal in the sort of on-field thuggery he was famed for - makes the thought 
> > of
> > him in charge unpalatable.
> >
> 
> ok Jim who are you backing? I still think GS would make a good Scotland 
> manager but who do you want to see? 

I would like to see Walter Smith go back (on a part time basis) - especially 
now as he looks content to let McCoist and McDowell run things at Ibrox.

If not him - Mark McGhee (with Roy Aitken continuing in his part time role) 
would be my choice.

Jim
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In article <C8e3j.28436$7k5.10319@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, redeagle@freeuk.com 
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> "Jonbhoy"  wrote in message
> >> I am not sure what you class as failure. Look at his record (in 
> >> management)
> >> of honours won. Winning trophies at 4 different clubs is not too bad,
> >> although he would not be my first choice for Scotland manager.
> >
> > Souness is a farce and should stick to TV work.
> 
> 
> Trophies won at 4 different clubs, despite the stuff you say you can't deny 
> that. Plenty of managers have had money to work with and failed. As I say 
> though, he wouldn't be my first choice, I just think his record deserves 
> more credit than you are giving him. 

It looks impressive on paper - but apart from Rangers he has been chased from 
every other club with the fans baying for his blood.

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"Moody Marco"  wrote in message 
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>
>> possibly even Jim Jeffries.
>
> Oh please god, no

Unfair. Jeffries is actually a very good manager and has done well 
everywhere he's been - Bradford excepted. Who would you go for?