we have never had a good defence but we have always got results over the 
years. But the last few games have been the worst I have seen for some 
time, we have given up before a ball has been kicked before today's game.

The players didn't seem to want to play for sam and looked as if they 
didn't want to be on the pitch against Liverpool. At Blackburn at least 
we attacked which is more than we have done for a while.

So I ask has sam lost the dressing room, after the Liverpool game sam 
asked the question but not many came forward with answers. But yet again 
a heavy defeat at the hands of Blackburn will we ever learn.

it seems to me the players (none defence) are not helping the defence, 
time and time again the defence is being ripped apart because midfield 
isn't helping or covering back.... I was always told you defend from the 
front and by that I mean the front 2 press the player with the ball. 
Smith and Martins did that at Blackburn but midfield let us down.

We had the effort from the players so lets cut the mistakes out and 
players like butt start playing in front of the 2 centre backs and not 
on the halfway line....

BACK TO BASICS

On 1 Dec, 22:55, BrIan  wrote:
> we have never had a good defence but we have always got results over the
> years. But the last few games have been the worst I have seen for some
> time, we have given up before a ball has been kicked before today's game.
>
> The players didn't seem to want to play for sam and looked as if they
> didn't want to be on the pitch against Liverpool. At Blackburn at least
> we attacked which is more than we have done for a while.
>
> So I ask has sam lost the dressing room, after the Liverpool game sam
> asked the question but not many came forward with answers. But yet again
> a heavy defeat at the hands of Blackburn will we ever learn.
>
> it seems to me the players (none defence) are not helping the defence,
> time and time again the defence is being ripped apart because midfield
> isn't helping or covering back.... I was always told you defend from the
> front and by that I mean the front 2 press the player with the ball.
> Smith and Martins did that at Blackburn but midfield let us down.
>
> We had the effort from the players so lets cut the mistakes out and
> players like butt start playing in front of the 2 centre backs and not
> on the halfway line....
>
> BACK TO BASICS

I blame MI5.

PB

We no longer seem to have any attacking threat to be honest though which
only serves to force more pressure on to an already under-fire defense. 
Negative tactics and the players seem to have already accepted defeat as
soon as the opposition scores.

But, if you were playing for a club where you get boo'd off the ground at
half time and full time every game where things don't go exactly according
to plan would you be arsed about putting any effort in either??

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:55:09 +0000, BrIan wrote:

> we have never had a good defence but we have always got results over the 
> years. But the last few games have been the worst I have seen for some 
> time, we have given up before a ball has been kicked before today's game.
> 
> The players didn't seem to want to play for sam and looked as if they 
> didn't want to be on the pitch against Liverpool. At Blackburn at least 
> we attacked which is more than we have done for a while.
> 
> So I ask has sam lost the dressing room, after the Liverpool game sam 
> asked the question but not many came forward with answers. But yet again 
> a heavy defeat at the hands of Blackburn will we ever learn.
> 
> it seems to me the players (none defence) are not helping the defence, 
> time and time again the defence is being ripped apart because midfield 
> isn't helping or covering back.... I was always told you defend from the 
> front and by that I mean the front 2 press the player with the ball. 
> Smith and Martins did that at Blackburn but midfield let us down.
> 
> We had the effort from the players so lets cut the mistakes out and 
> players like butt start playing in front of the 2 centre backs and not 
> on the halfway line....
> 
> BACK TO BASICS

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:50:09 +0000, Mark Scott 
wrote:

>We no longer seem to have any attacking threat to be honest though which
>only serves to force more pressure on to an already under-fire defense. 
>Negative tactics and the players seem to have already accepted defeat as
>soon as the opposition scores.
>
>But, if you were playing for a club where you get boo'd off the ground at
>half time and full time every game where things don't go exactly according
>to plan would you be arsed about putting any effort in either??
>
every game?

come now, it's hardly been every game.

they got booed off vs liverpool because they absolutely 100% deserved
to be booed off vs liverpool.

they were disgustingly bad, very possibly the worst i've seen in quite
a few years.

if you've paid 30-40 quid to watch that sort of shitty showing, i
think you've a damn good right to let them know you aren't happy.

as was shown vs blackburn. if they actually give it a go, rather than
surrender like a frenchman, the fans will be behind them 100%

turn up and look like you're resigned to losing even before you kick
off, like they did vs liverpool, and they're just asking for abuse.

On 3 Dec, 09:50, Mark Scott  wrote:
> We no longer seem to have any attacking threat to be honest though which
> only serves to force more pressure on to an already under-fire defense.
> Negative tactics and the players seem to have already accepted defeat as
> soon as the opposition scores.
>
> But, if you were playing for a club where you get boo'd off the ground at
> half time and full time every game where things don't go exactly according
> to plan would you be arsed about putting any effort in either??
>
> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:55:09 +0000, BrIan wrote:
> > we have never had a good defence but we have always got results over the
> > years. But the last few games have been the worst I have seen for some
> > time, we have given up before a ball has been kicked before today's game.
>
> > The players didn't seem to want to play for sam and looked as if they
> > didn't want to be on the pitch against Liverpool. At Blackburn at least
> > we attacked which is more than we have done for a while.
>
> > So I ask has sam lost the dressing room, after the Liverpool game sam
> > asked the question but not many came forward with answers. But yet again
> > a heavy defeat at the hands of Blackburn will we ever learn.
>
> > it seems to me the players (none defence) are not helping the defence,
> > time and time again the defence is being ripped apart because midfield
> > isn't helping or covering back.... I was always told you defend from the
> > front and by that I mean the front 2 press the player with the ball.
> > Smith and Martins did that at Blackburn but midfield let us down.
>
> > We had the effort from the players so lets cut the mistakes out and
> > players like butt start playing in front of the 2 centre backs and not
> > on the halfway line....
>
> > BACK TO BASICS

40-50k a week should be enough to motivate the fuckwits!
Its simple, we dont have enough quality in this squad.

We never replaced Woodgate, defenders of that quality cost at least
10m-. Not 2m for Rozenhal or free transfers like Capaca.

Mark Scott  wrote in
news:pan.2007.12.03.09.50.07.734797@YouNOSpam.net: 

> We no longer seem to have any attacking threat to be honest though
> which only serves to force more pressure on to an already under-fire
> defense. Negative tactics and the players seem to have already
> accepted defeat as soon as the opposition scores.
> 
> But, if you were playing for a club where you get boo'd off the ground
> at half time and full time every game where things don't go exactly
> according to plan would you be arsed about putting any effort in
> either?? 

I think you're got that arse backwards. They got booed off at the Liverpool 
game because they put zero effort in (and in fact, from where I sit it was 
Allardyce got the worst of it, mainly for the Emre and Zog substitutions). 
They didn't put zero effort in because they got booed.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:05:19 +0000, Chris F wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:50:09 +0000, Mark Scott 
> wrote:
> 
>>We no longer seem to have any attacking threat to be honest though which
>>only serves to force more pressure on to an already under-fire defense. 
>>Negative tactics and the players seem to have already accepted defeat as
>>soon as the opposition scores.
>>
>>But, if you were playing for a club where you get boo'd off the ground at
>>half time and full time every game where things don't go exactly according
>>to plan would you be arsed about putting any effort in either??
>>
> every game?
> 
> come now, it's hardly been every game.
> 
> they got booed off vs liverpool because they absolutely 100% deserved
> to be booed off vs liverpool.
> 
> they were disgustingly bad, very possibly the worst i've seen in quite
> a few years.
> 
> if you've paid 30-40 quid to watch that sort of shitty showing, i
> think you've a damn good right to let them know you aren't happy.
> 
> as was shown vs blackburn. if they actually give it a go, rather than
> surrender like a frenchman, the fans will be behind them 100%
> 
> turn up and look like you're resigned to losing even before you kick
> off, like they did vs liverpool, and they're just asking for abuse.

I guess my problem is with how quickly the fans turn on their own team. 
The 30-40 quid a ticket arguement doesn't work on me i'm afraid as I have
a season ticket to watch the crap they have been dishing out recently.  
BUT, while I feel the team needed a wake-up call against Liverpool could
not believe the hostility of it to the home team.    There just seems to
be a growing number of fans who feel it is fashionable to boo at the
slightest problem.  These will the be the Same people who only started
watching the toon when Keegan had them as a fashionable side to watch, and
clearly don't remember how bad it truly can get.  At the moment one wrong
pass gets a vicious reaction, people around me start screamin abuse at
players for one wrong pass yet everything is rosy the next time when they
put a tackle in and win the ball.   The crowd just seems to get too
carried away by one event and if that happens to be against their liking
then it's Boo's and abuse.   While I am not saying the team didn't deserve
a wake-up call after the Liverpool game, and I for one don't like
Allardyces tactics and negative thinking, I still think he needs time and
the hostility shown does nothing to improve the situation.   Or maybe it
did but the crowd stayed with the team despite them going a goal down int
he last two games so things are looking up!????  Well until the next rbad
result when i'm sur ethe boos will ring out once more :)