It is a joke that someone like Grant could not be bothered to study for this 
qualification.  Roman, Cuddly Pete and Avram are the Larry, Mo and Curly of 
British football.  Maybe the source of the outbreak of "bluetongue" is the 
sh'te which comes out of Kenyon's mouth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7014046.stm

Manchester United will oppose Avram Grant being granted dispensation to 
manage Chelsea without a Uefa pro licence, BBC Sport understands.
Grant does not have the required licence and has a 12-week period of grace 
to acquire the qualification.
If he does not Chelsea will have to appeal to the Premier League for special 
dispensation or replace Grant.
United would oppose any dispensation request, as they did with Glenn Roeder 
and Gareth Southgate.
Roeder received an extension on health grounds when he took over at 
Newcastle, while Southgate was deemed to have had restricted opportunities 
to gain a licence because of his international career after succeeding Steve 
McClaren at Middlesbrough.
Aston Villa manager Martin O'Neill was also granted an exemption after 
undergoing a five-day refresher course.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence 
because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was 
introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top 
flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and 
usually takes a year to gain.
And a Premier League spokesman confirmed: "We have written to Chelsea to 
remind them of these requirements regarding these qualifications."
Southgate, now in his second season at Boro, said of Grant's situation: 
"Most of the older coaches were given special dispensation when the rules 
were first introduced.
"I'm sure Avram has nothing to worry about because he has the backing of his 
chairman Roman Abramovich."
Grant, who won league titles when coaching in Israel, has not held a club 
manager's position for five years although he was in charge of the Israeli 
national side during the qualifying campaigns for Euro 2004 and the 2006 
World Cup finals.
He also holds coaching qualifications from Israel but Uefa is yet to rule on 
whether it is of an equivalent standing to the pro licence.
-- 
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Margaret Thatcher, 3rd May 1979.
http://www.conservatives.com

"Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
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snip

"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
usually takes a year to gain."

Hypocrite.

"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
> news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> snip
>
> "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
> usually takes a year to gain."
>
> Hypocrite.
>

With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.  Have 
you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the 
league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing 
the bars on their cots.

Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in 
their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the 
qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the 
Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now passed 
the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or Sir 
Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their 
experience.
-- 
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Margaret Thatcher, 3rd May 1979.
http://www.conservatives.com

After serious thinking Darth Simian wrote :
> It is a joke that someone like Grant could not be bothered to study for this 
> qualification.  Roman, Cuddly Pete and Avram are the Larry, Mo and Curly of 
> British football.  Maybe the source of the outbreak of "bluetongue" is the 
> sh'te which comes out of Kenyon's mouth.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7014046.stm
>
> Manchester United will oppose Avram Grant being granted dispensation to 
> manage Chelsea without a Uefa pro licence, BBC Sport understands.
> Grant does not have the required licence and has a 12-week period of grace to 
> acquire the qualification.
> If he does not Chelsea will have to appeal to the Premier League for special 
> dispensation or replace Grant.
> United would oppose any dispensation request, as they did with Glenn Roeder 
> and Gareth Southgate.
> Roeder received an extension on health grounds when he took over at 
> Newcastle, while Southgate was deemed to have had restricted opportunities to 
> gain a licence because of his international career after succeeding Steve 
> McClaren at Middlesbrough.
> Aston Villa manager Martin O'Neill was also granted an exemption after 
> undergoing a five-day refresher course.
> United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence 
> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was 
> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top 
> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and 
> usually takes a year to gain.
> And a Premier League spokesman confirmed: "We have written to Chelsea to 
> remind them of these requirements regarding these qualifications."
> Southgate, now in his second season at Boro, said of Grant's situation: "Most 
> of the older coaches were given special dispensation when the rules were 
> first introduced.
> "I'm sure Avram has nothing to worry about because he has the backing of his 
> chairman Roman Abramovich."
> Grant, who won league titles when coaching in Israel, has not held a club 
> manager's position for five years although he was in charge of the Israeli 
> national side during the qualifying campaigns for Euro 2004 and the 2006 
> World Cup finals.
> He also holds coaching qualifications from Israel but Uefa is yet to rule on 
> whether it is of an equivalent standing to the pro licence.

Let the guy coach, they can wipe their arses with the documentation 
FWIW.

-- 
Count Baldoni

"Baldoni"  wrote in message 
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>
> Let the guy coach, they can wipe their arses with the documentation FWIW.
>

So speaks a man who thinks Killroy Silk is fit to run the country.
-- 
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony.
Where there is error, may we bring truth.
Where there is doubt, may we bring faith.
And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Margaret Thatcher, 3rd May 1979.
http://www.conservatives.com

"Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
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> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message 
> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
>> news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> snip
>>
>> "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
>> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
>> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
>> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study 
>> and
>> usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>>
>
> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. 
> Have you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing 
> the league table with United, when some Premier League managers were 
> climbing the bars on their cots.
>
> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in 
> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the 
> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the 
> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
> passed the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry 
> Redknapp or Sir Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to 
> recognise their experience.

Only because Harry bought his badges under the counter and Fergie was too 
pissed and illiterate to learn anything.

on 26/09/2007, Darth Simian supposed :
> "Baldoni"  wrote in message 
> news:mn.d46a7d797bf8d205.81063@gmail.com...
>>
>> Let the guy coach, they can wipe their arses with the documentation FWIW.
>>
>
> So speaks a man who thinks Killroy Silk is fit to run the country.

Never have I said this.  But due to the country being flushed down the 
toilet  there is only one man fit to run this country and that is 
General Franco, but that is not going to happen is it.

-- 
Count Baldoni

mentalguy2004 explained :
> "Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
> news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> snip
>
> "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
> usually takes a year to gain."
>
> Hypocrite.

He is a Knight of the Realm, he could take a crap in the middle of the 
high st and it would get overlooked.

-- 
Count Baldoni

Darth Simian pretended :
> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message 
> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
>> news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> snip
>>
>> "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
>> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
>> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
>> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
>> usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>>
>
> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.  Have 
> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the 
> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing the 
> bars on their cots.
>
> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in 
> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the 
> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the Premiership. 
>  While an increasing number of British coaches have now passed the Pro 
> Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or Sir Alex 
> Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their 
> experience.

And an attempt to stop the old scoundrels from fiddleing the transfers. 
 No need to mention George Graham in this instance because it is old 
news and something our club dealt with.

-- 
Count Baldoni

"Baldoni"  wrote in message 
news:mn.d4807d79f1450ea6.81063@gmail.com...
> mentalguy2004 explained :
>> "Darth Simian"  wrote in message 
>> news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> snip
>>
>> "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
>> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
>> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
>> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study 
>> and
>> usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>
> He is a Knight of the Realm, he could take a crap in the middle of the 
> high st and it would get overlooked.

It would be overlooked because shouting, swearing and shitting in the High 
St is expected of drunken Scottish tramps.

The tramp at the station punched him in the balls because passers-by were 
tossing more money at Fergie than him.

On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
 wrote:
> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>
> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> > "Darth Simian"  wrote in message
> >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> > snip
>
> > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
> > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
> > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
> > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
> > usually takes a year to gain."
>
> > Hypocrite.
>
> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.  Have
> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the
> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing
> the bars on their cots.
>
> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in
> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the
> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now passed
> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or Sir
> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their
> experience.

Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
bottles and playing the horses I expect.

on 26/9/07, mentalguy2004 supposed :

> It would be overlooked because shouting, swearing and shitting in the 
> High St is expected of drunken Scottish tramps.

> The tramp at the station punched him in the balls because passers-by were 
> tossing more money at Fergie than him.

PMSL!!!

<+|80)))

-- 
+ His Holiness Pope Pompous XVIII

"We can be efficient and that is linked with how much we keep the feet 
on the ground, wanting to improve, because the football we want to play 
demands humility, and as soon as you lose a little bit of that you are 
in trouble" -- Arsene Wenger

wrote in message 
news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>  wrote:
>> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Darth Simian"  wrote in 
>> > message
>> >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> > snip
>>
>> > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro 
>> > licence
>> > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>> > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the 
>> > qualifications.
>> > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the 
>> > top
>> > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study 
>> > and
>> > usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> > Hypocrite.
>>
>> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. 
>> Have
>> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the
>> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing
>> the bars on their cots.
>>
>> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in
>> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor 
>> the
>> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
>> passed
>> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or 
>> Sir
>> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise 
>> their
>> experience.
>
> Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
> believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
> bottles and playing the horses I expect.


Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the English 
game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side to break the 
Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next to no money and 
followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup with the same team.

HTH

A. Dieu.

Le Dieu wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>>  wrote:
>>> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Darth Simian"  wrote in 
>>>> message
>>>> news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>>> snip
>>>> "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro 
>>>> licence
>>>> because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>>>> introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the 
>>>> qualifications.
>>>> Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the 
>>>> top
>>>> flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study 
>>>> and
>>>> usually takes a year to gain."
>>>> Hypocrite.
>>> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. 
>>> Have
>>> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the
>>> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing
>>> the bars on their cots.
>>>
>>> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in
>>> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor 
>>> the
>>> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>>> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
>>> passed
>>> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or 
>>> Sir
>>> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise 
>>> their
>>> experience.
>> Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>> believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>> bottles and playing the horses I expect.
> 
> 
> Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the English 
> game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side to break the 
> Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next to no money and 
> followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup with the same team.
> 
> HTH
> 
> A. Dieu. 
> 
> 

points and laughs at le stink.

lol. :)

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Le Dieu explained :
>  wrote in message 
> news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>>  wrote:
>>> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > "Darth Simian"  wrote in 
>>> message
>>> >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>>
>>> > snip
>>>
>>> > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro 
>>> licence
>>> > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>>> > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
>>> > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the 
>>> top
>>> > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study 
>>> and
>>> > usually takes a year to gain."
>>>
>>> > Hypocrite.
>>>
>>> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. Have
>>> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the
>>> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing
>>> the bars on their cots.
>>>
>>> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in
>>> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the
>>> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>>> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
>>> passed
>>> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or 
>>> Sir
>>> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their
>>> experience.
>>
>> Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>> believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>> bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>
>
> Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the English 
> game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side to break the 
> Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next to no money and 
> followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup with the same team.
>
> HTH
>
> A. Dieu.

I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough, 
Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?

-- 
Count Baldoni

"Baldoni"  wrote in message 
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> Le Dieu explained :
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>>>  wrote:
>>>> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > "Darth Simian"  wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>>>
>>>> > snip
>>>>
>>>> > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>>>> licence
>>>> > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>>>> > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the 
>>>> > qualifications.
>>>> > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the
>>>> top
>>>> > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of 
>>>> > study
>>>> and
>>>> > usually takes a year to gain."
>>>>
>>>> > Hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. 
>>>> Have
>>>> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing 
>>>> the
>>>> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were 
>>>> climbing
>>>> the bars on their cots.
>>>>
>>>> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage 
>>>> in
>>>> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor 
>>>> the
>>>> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>>>> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
>>>> passed
>>>> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or 
>>>> Sir
>>>> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise 
>>>> their
>>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>>> believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>>> bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>>
>>
>> Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the 
>> English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side 
>> to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next to 
>> no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup with 
>> the same team.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> A. Dieu.
>
> I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough, 
> Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?


Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the 
most?

A. Dieu.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:19:40 -0700, goonersforever@gmail.com wrote:

>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
> wrote:
>> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Darth Simian"  wrote in message
>> >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> > snip
>>
>> > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
>> > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>> > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
>> > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
>> > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
>> > usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> > Hypocrite.
>>
>> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.  Have
>> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the
>> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing
>> the bars on their cots.
>>
>> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in
>> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the
>> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now passed
>> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or Sir
>> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their
>> experience.
>
>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>bottles and playing the horses I expect.

While Wenger is busy offering sweets to young kids?



RED DEVIL

In article <h%wKi.267767$ne.141095@fe18.usenetserver.com>, 
great_sage_equal_of_heaven_@hotmail.com says...
> 
> So speaks a man who thinks Killroy Silk is fit to run the country.
> 
If Blair can run it.. even that twat could run it.

Le Dieu wrote:

> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the 
> most?
> 
> A. Dieu. 
> 

He's been there 3 decades ffs, hardly exemplary.

RED DEVIL wrote:

> While Wenger is busy offering sweets to young kids?
> 
> 
> 
> RED DEVIL

Better than offering them vodka?

Alex Fergusson no pro license

Uniteds 20 year failure in Europe despite being constant league champs
(bar 1 fluke)

Says it all really.

If he cant win it with plan a, it doesnt get won

On 26 Sep, 19:19, goonersfore...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> > "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>
> >news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> > > "Darth Simian"  wrote in message
> > >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> > > snip
>
> > > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro licence
> > > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> > > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the qualifications.
> > > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the top
> > > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of study and
> > > usually takes a year to gain."
>
> > > Hypocrite.
>
> > With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.  Have
> > you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing the
> > league table with United, when some Premier League managers were climbing
> > the bars on their cots.
>
> > Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage in
> > their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor the
> > qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
> > Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now passed
> > the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or Sir
> > Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise their
> > experience.
>
> Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
> believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
> bottles and playing the horses I expect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The manuals are based on Fergies life story. Nothing else would make
sense.

On 26 Sep, 23:07, "Le Dieu"  wrote:
> "Baldoni"  wrote in message
>
> news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Le Dieu explained :
> >>  wrote in message
> >>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>> "mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> >>>> > "Darth Simian"  wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>> >news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> >>>> > snip
>
> >>>> > "United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
> >>>> licence
> >>>> > because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> >>>> > introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the
> >>>> > qualifications.
> >>>> > Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the
> >>>> top
> >>>> > flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of
> >>>> > study
> >>>> and
> >>>> > usually takes a year to gain."
>
> >>>> > Hypocrite.
>
> >>>> With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.
> >>>> Have
> >>>> you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing
> >>>> the
> >>>> league table with United, when some Premier League managers were
> >>>> climbing
> >>>> the bars on their cots.
>
> >>>> Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage
> >>>> in
> >>>> their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor
> >>>> the
> >>>> qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
> >>>> Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now
> >>>> passed
> >>>> the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or
> >>>> Sir
> >>>> Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise
> >>>> their
> >>>> experience.
>
> >>> Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
> >>> believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
> >>> bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>
> >> Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the
> >> English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side
> >> to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next to
> >> no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup with
> >> the same team.
>
> >> HTH
>
> >> A. Dieu.
>
> > I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough,
> > Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
>
> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the
> most?
>
> A. Dieu.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I can just see it now, Fergie walks into the first day of the course
and the instructors kneel down and kiss his feet.

Le Dieu wrote:
> "Baldoni"  wrote in message 
> news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
> 
>>Le Dieu explained :
>>
>>> wrote in message 
>>>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Darth Simian"  wrote in
>>>>>
>>>>>message
>>>>>
>>>>>>news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>snip
>>>>>
>>>>>>"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>>>>>
>>>>>licence
>>>>>
>>>>>>because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>>>>>>introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the 
>>>>>>qualifications.
>>>>>>Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the
>>>>>
>>>>>top
>>>>>
>>>>>>flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of 
>>>>>>study
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>usually takes a year to gain."
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>>With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. 
>>>>>Have
>>>>>you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing 
>>>>>the
>>>>>league table with United, when some Premier League managers were 
>>>>>climbing
>>>>>the bars on their cots.
>>>>>
>>>>>Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage 
>>>>>in
>>>>>their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor 
>>>>>the
>>>>>qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>>>>>Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
>>>>>passed
>>>>>the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp or 
>>>>>Sir
>>>>>Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise 
>>>>>their
>>>>>experience.
>>>>
>>>>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>>>>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>>>>bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the 
>>>English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side 
>>>to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next to 
>>>no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup with 
>>>the same team.
>>>
>>>HTH
>>>
>>>A. Dieu.
>>
>>I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough, 
>>Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
> 
> 
> 
> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the 
> most?

Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage 
success in all English competitions ( success compared to 
attempts)  i.e.......strike rate, the winner is probably the 
recently departed.

I think it might be a touch cynical to always look for hidden 
motives over admin rules like this. It might be simply a 
matter of clubs wanting to stick to the rules, as laid down, 
because they have merit.  The new Chelsea man appears to have 
little experience at this level, but they have all the playing 
potential to be a potent force again very soon, with the right 
leader.

If I was Fergie or Wenger, or their clubs, and voting simply 
on what is best for them, I would be very happy to keep things 
as they are and would be voting accordingly.

LC

"lescor"  wrote in message 
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> Le Dieu wrote:
>> "Baldoni"  wrote in message 
>> news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
>>
>>>Le Dieu explained :
>>>
>>>> wrote in message 
>>>>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Darth Simian"  wrote in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>>>>>>
>>>>>>licence
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
>>>>>>>introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the 
>>>>>>>qualifications.
>>>>>>>Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>top
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of 
>>>>>>>study
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>usually takes a year to gain."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hypocrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance. 
>>>>>>Have
>>>>>>you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing 
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>league table with United, when some Premier League managers were 
>>>>>>climbing
>>>>>>the bars on their cots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage 
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor 
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>>>>>>Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now 
>>>>>>passed
>>>>>>the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp 
>>>>>>or Sir
>>>>>>Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise 
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>experience.
>>>>>
>>>>>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>>>>>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>>>>>bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the 
>>>>English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side 
>>>>to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next 
>>>>to no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup 
>>>>with the same team.
>>>>
>>>>HTH
>>>>
>>>>A. Dieu.
>>>
>>>I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough, 
>>>Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the 
>> most?
>
> Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage success in all 
> English competitions ( success compared to attempts)  i.e.......strike 
> rate, the winner is probably the recently departed.


Which of course would be a stupid way to judge the most successful manager. 
If Avram grant wins the league this season and is then replaced he would 
have an unbeatable 100% record.

The fact that SAF has build 4 different sides winning 9 leagues, a Treble 
and several doubles over 2 decades of course makes him the most successful 
manager in English history.

A. Dieu.

On 27 Sep, 12:11, "Le Dieu"  wrote:
> "lescor"  wrote in message
>
> news:46FB8E79.70406@btinternet.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Le Dieu wrote:
> >> "Baldoni"  wrote in message
> >>news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
>
> >>>Le Dieu explained :
>
> >>>> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> >>>>>>>"Darth Simian"  wrote in
>
> >>>>>>message
>
> >>>>>>>news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> >>>>>>>snip
>
> >>>>>>>"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>
> >>>>>>licence
>
> >>>>>>>because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> >>>>>>>introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the
> >>>>>>>qualifications.
> >>>>>>>Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the
>
> >>>>>>top
>
> >>>>>>>flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of
> >>>>>>>study
>
> >>>>>>and
>
> >>>>>>>usually takes a year to gain."
>
> >>>>>>>Hypocrite.
>
> >>>>>>With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.
> >>>>>>Have
> >>>>>>you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>league table with United, when some Premier League managers were
> >>>>>>climbing
> >>>>>>the bars on their cots.
>
> >>>>>>Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage
> >>>>>>in
> >>>>>>their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
> >>>>>>Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now
> >>>>>>passed
> >>>>>>the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp
> >>>>>>or Sir
> >>>>>>Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise
> >>>>>>their
> >>>>>>experience.
>
> >>>>>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
> >>>>>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
> >>>>>bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>
> >>>>Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the
> >>>>English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side
> >>>>to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next
> >>>>to no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup
> >>>>with the same team.
>
> >>>>HTH
>
> >>>>A. Dieu.
>
> >>>I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough,
> >>>Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
>
> >> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the
> >> most?
>
> > Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage success in all
> > English competitions ( success compared to attempts)  i.e.......strike
> > rate, the winner is probably the recently departed.
>
> Which of course would be a stupid way to judge the most successful manager.
> If Avram grant wins the league this season and is then replaced he would
> have an unbeatable 100% record.
>
> The fact that SAF has build 4 different sides winning 9 leagues, a Treble
> and several doubles over 2 decades of course makes him the most successful
> manager in English history.
>
> A. Dieu.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage
success in all English competitions ( success compared to
attempts)  i.e.......strike rate, the winner is probably the
recently departed

Doesn't that method in assessing statistics make Kieran Richardson the
greatest ever English international goalscorer.

On 27 Sep, 07:01, uknewsfan  wrote:
> Alex Fergusson no pro license
>
> Uniteds 20 year failure in Europe despite being constant league champs
> (bar 1 fluke)
>
> Says it all really.
>
> If he cant win it with plan a, it doesnt get won

The fact that they have put so much into challenging for the league
each year is probably a better explanation of the 'poor' effort in
Europe. It takes a hell of a team to do both. Look where the last two
English ECL finalists finished in the league.

wrote in message 
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> On 27 Sep, 12:11, "Le Dieu"  wrote:
>> "lescor"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:46FB8E79.70406@btinternet.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Le Dieu wrote:
>> >> "Baldoni"  wrote in message
>> >>news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
>>
>> >>>Le Dieu explained :
>>
>> >>>> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>>>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>> >>>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>>>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> >>>>>>>"Darth Simian"  wrote in
>>
>> >>>>>>message
>>
>> >>>>>>>news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> >>>>>>>snip
>>
>> >>>>>>>"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>>
>> >>>>>>licence
>>
>> >>>>>>>because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule 
>> >>>>>>>was
>> >>>>>>>introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the
>> >>>>>>>qualifications.
>> >>>>>>>Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in 
>> >>>>>>>the
>>
>> >>>>>>top
>>
>> >>>>>>>flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of
>> >>>>>>>study
>>
>> >>>>>>and
>>
>> >>>>>>>usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> >>>>>>>Hypocrite.
>>
>> >>>>>>With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter 
>> >>>>>>ignorance.
>> >>>>>>Have
>> >>>>>>you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was 
>> >>>>>>climbing
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>league table with United, when some Premier League managers were
>> >>>>>>climbing
>> >>>>>>the bars on their cots.
>>
>> >>>>>>Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they 
>> >>>>>>manage
>> >>>>>>in
>> >>>>>>their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to 
>> >>>>>>tailor
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>> >>>>>>Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have 
>> >>>>>>now
>> >>>>>>passed
>> >>>>>>the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry 
>> >>>>>>Redknapp
>> >>>>>>or Sir
>> >>>>>>Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to 
>> >>>>>>recognise
>> >>>>>>their
>> >>>>>>experience.
>>
>> >>>>>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>> >>>>>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>> >>>>>bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>>
>> >>>>Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the
>> >>>>English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first 
>> >>>>side
>> >>>>to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on 
>> >>>>next
>> >>>>to no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners 
>> >>>>Cup
>> >>>>with the same team.
>>
>> >>>>HTH
>>
>> >>>>A. Dieu.
>>
>> >>>I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough,
>> >>>Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
>>
>> >> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has 
>> >> the
>> >> most?
>>
>> > Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage success in all
>> > English competitions ( success compared to attempts)  i.e.......strike
>> > rate, the winner is probably the recently departed.
>>
>> Which of course would be a stupid way to judge the most successful 
>> manager.
>> If Avram grant wins the league this season and is then replaced he would
>> have an unbeatable 100% record.
>>
>> The fact that SAF has build 4 different sides winning 9 leagues, a Treble
>> and several doubles over 2 decades of course makes him the most 
>> successful
>> manager in English history.
>>
>> A. Dieu.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage
> success in all English competitions ( success compared to
> attempts)  i.e.......strike rate, the winner is probably the
> recently departed
>
> Doesn't that method in assessing statistics make Kieran Richardson the
> greatest ever English international goalscorer.


And me the best bowler in the history of my school's cricket, a two wicket 
maiden, one pea roller, one full toss, never allowed to bowl again.

A. Dieu.

On 27 Sep, 12:11, "Le Dieu"  wrote:
> "lescor"  wrote in message
>
> news:46FB8E79.70406@btinternet.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Le Dieu wrote:
> >> "Baldoni"  wrote in message
> >>news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
>
> >>>Le Dieu explained :
>
> >>>> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> >>>>>>>"Darth Simian"  wrote in
>
> >>>>>>message
>
> >>>>>>>news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>
> >>>>>>>snip
>
> >>>>>>>"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>
> >>>>>>licence
>
> >>>>>>>because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule was
> >>>>>>>introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the
> >>>>>>>qualifications.
> >>>>>>>Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in the
>
> >>>>>>top
>
> >>>>>>>flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of
> >>>>>>>study
>
> >>>>>>and
>
> >>>>>>>usually takes a year to gain."
>
> >>>>>>>Hypocrite.
>
> >>>>>>With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter ignorance.
> >>>>>>Have
> >>>>>>you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was climbing
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>league table with United, when some Premier League managers were
> >>>>>>climbing
> >>>>>>the bars on their cots.
>
> >>>>>>Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they manage
> >>>>>>in
> >>>>>>their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to tailor
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
> >>>>>>Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have now
> >>>>>>passed
> >>>>>>the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry Redknapp
> >>>>>>or Sir
> >>>>>>Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to recognise
> >>>>>>their
> >>>>>>experience.
>
> >>>>>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
> >>>>>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
> >>>>>bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>
> >>>>Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the
> >>>>English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first side
> >>>>to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on next
> >>>>to no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners Cup
> >>>>with the same team.
>
> >>>>HTH
>
> >>>>A. Dieu.
>
> >>>I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough,
> >>>Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
>
> >> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has the
> >> most?
>
> > Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage success in all
> > English competitions ( success compared to attempts)  i.e.......strike
> > rate, the winner is probably the recently departed.
>
> Which of course would be a stupid way to judge the most successful manager.
> If Avram grant wins the league this season and is then replaced he would
> have an unbeatable 100% record.
>
> The fact that SAF has build 4 different sides winning 9 leagues, a Treble
> and several doubles over 2 decades of course makes him the most successful
> manager in English history.
>
> A. Dieu.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

english....yes, but only one European Cup despite all that success at
home. Coaching badges eh, who needs em.....

"uknewsfan"  wrote in message 
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> On 27 Sep, 12:11, "Le Dieu"  wrote:
>> "lescor"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:46FB8E79.70406@btinternet.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Le Dieu wrote:
>> >> "Baldoni"  wrote in message
>> >>news:mn.d56b7d7908fd3855.81063@gmail.com...
>>
>> >>>Le Dieu explained :
>>
>> >>>> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:1190830780.157361.28440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>>>On Sep 26, 10:48 am, "Darth Simian"
>> >>>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>"mentalguy2004"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>>>>>news:FUwKi.15435$yN2.2207@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> >>>>>>>"Darth Simian"  wrote in
>>
>> >>>>>>message
>>
>> >>>>>>>news:eNwKi.267765$ne.220343@fe18.usenetserver.com...
>>
>> >>>>>>>snip
>>
>> >>>>>>>"United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who is exempted from having a pro
>>
>> >>>>>>licence
>>
>> >>>>>>>because he was already managing in the top flight when the rule 
>> >>>>>>>was
>> >>>>>>>introduced, is understood to be a strong advocate of the
>> >>>>>>>qualifications.
>> >>>>>>>Uefa and Premier League rules require anyone wishing to manage in 
>> >>>>>>>the
>>
>> >>>>>>top
>>
>> >>>>>>>flight to hold the Uefa pro licence, which requires 240 hours of
>> >>>>>>>study
>>
>> >>>>>>and
>>
>> >>>>>>>usually takes a year to gain."
>>
>> >>>>>>>Hypocrite.
>>
>> >>>>>>With that ridiculous remark, mentalguy2004 shows his utter 
>> >>>>>>ignorance.
>> >>>>>>Have
>> >>>>>>you never heard of "Grandad rights"?  Sir Alex Ferguson was 
>> >>>>>>climbing
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>league table with United, when some Premier League managers were
>> >>>>>>climbing
>> >>>>>>the bars on their cots.
>>
>> >>>>>>Coaches on the continent tend to do the Pro Licence before they 
>> >>>>>>manage
>> >>>>>>in
>> >>>>>>their respective top divisions but in England the FA has had to 
>> >>>>>>tailor
>> >>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>qualification to suit managers already plying their trade in the
>> >>>>>>Premiership.  While an increasing number of British coaches have 
>> >>>>>>now
>> >>>>>>passed
>> >>>>>>the Pro Licence, the more established coaches such as Harry 
>> >>>>>>Redknapp
>> >>>>>>or Sir
>> >>>>>>Alex Ferguson, have been awarded an FA coaching diploma to 
>> >>>>>>recognise
>> >>>>>>their
>> >>>>>>experience.
>>
>> >>>>>Be a nice touch for the tramp to go through the process he now
>> >>>>>believes so strongly in.  Couldn't be arsed, too busy hitting the
>> >>>>>bottles and playing the horses I expect.
>>
>> >>>>Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of the
>> >>>>English game, ever, went through the process by managing the first 
>> >>>>side
>> >>>>to break the Rangers/Celtic duopoly to win the Scottish league on 
>> >>>>next
>> >>>>to no money and followed it up by winning the European Cup Winners 
>> >>>>Cup
>> >>>>with the same team.
>>
>> >>>>HTH
>>
>> >>>>A. Dieu.
>>
>> >>>I don't mean to be pedantic but is he any more successful than Clough,
>> >>>Shankly, Paisley and Chapman ?
>>
>> >> Why don't you count up their respective league titles and see who has 
>> >> the
>> >> most?
>>
>> > Depends how and what you count I suppose. In percentage success in all
>> > English competitions ( success compared to attempts)  i.e.......strike
>> > rate, the winner is probably the recently departed.
>>
>> Which of course would be a stupid way to judge the most successful 
>> manager.
>> If Avram grant wins the league this season and is then replaced he would
>> have an unbeatable 100% record.
>>
>> The fact that SAF has build 4 different sides winning 9 leagues, a Treble
>> and several doubles over 2 decades of course makes him the most 
>> successful
>> manager in English history.
>>
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>
> english....yes, but only one European Cup despite all that success at
> home. Coaching badges eh, who needs em.....


But better than one European Cup with absolutely no success at home.

A. Dieu.