what gets me is that everyone is saying Big Sam is a tactically a good 
manager, he spots things and makes changes.

But at Derby he did nothing.... I heard the team before I got in from 
work and I can not believe Sam stayed with 4,4,2. The team was so lop 
sided, milner was covering the left and right wing.

All Sam had to do was change the formation to 3,5,2 and we would have 
been more balanced.

The back 3 would be

	Taylor		Roazehnal	Cacapa

The 5 midfield players

Milner		Butt		Geremi		N'Zogbia

			Smith

Striker

		Owen		Ameobi


Milner and N'zogbia could have covered the back 3 making 5,3,2. I know 
some fans will never be pleased changing from a 4,4,2. But we have 
played it for years or versions of it and what has it got us?

We have to adopt many different formation nowadays if we want to get 
anywhere in this league

What do you see in Amoebi?

Also, I would play Beye in preference to Butt.

Philocophus

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> what gets me is that everyone is saying Big Sam is a tactically a good manager, he spots things 
> and makes changes.
>
> But at Derby he did nothing.... I heard the team before I got in from work and I can not believe 
> Sam stayed with 4,4,2. The team was so lop sided, milner was covering the left and right wing.
>
> All Sam had to do was change the formation to 3,5,2 and we would have been more balanced.
>
> The back 3 would be
>
> Taylor Roazehnal Cacapa
>
> The 5 midfield players
>
> Milner Butt Geremi N'Zogbia
>
> Smith
>
> Striker
>
> Owen Ameobi
>
>
> Milner and N'zogbia could have covered the back 3 making 5,3,2. I know some fans will never be 
> pleased changing from a 4,4,2. But we have played it for years or versions of it and what has it 
> got us?
>
> We have to adopt many different formation nowadays if we want to get anywhere in this league

Philocophus wrote:
> What do you see in Amoebi?
> 
> Also, I would play Beye in preference to Butt.

I'm just going on what the team started with on the night. I agree 
Ameobi is has had his shot at Newcastle.... may be time for a move?





> 
> Philocophus
> 
> ******************
> 
> "bRiAN"  wrote in message 
> news:fcupqk$18t0$1@energise.enta.net...
>> what gets me is that everyone is saying Big Sam is a tactically a good manager, he spots things 
>> and makes changes.
>>
>> But at Derby he did nothing.... I heard the team before I got in from work and I can not believe 
>> Sam stayed with 4,4,2. The team was so lop sided, milner was covering the left and right wing.
>>
>> All Sam had to do was change the formation to 3,5,2 and we would have been more balanced.
>>
>> The back 3 would be
>>
>> Taylor Roazehnal Cacapa
>>
>> The 5 midfield players
>>
>> Milner Butt Geremi N'Zogbia
>>
>> Smith
>>
>> Striker
>>
>> Owen Ameobi
>>
>>
>> Milner and N'zogbia could have covered the back 3 making 5,3,2. I know some fans will never be 
>> pleased changing from a 4,4,2. But we have played it for years or versions of it and what has it 
>> got us?
>>
>> We have to adopt many different formation nowadays if we want to get anywhere in this league 
> 
>

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:55:20 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What do you see in Amoebi?
>
>Also, I would play Beye in preference to Butt.
>
beye isn't a midfielder though, and never has been. Faye can and has
played the defensive midfielder role, but beye is primarily a centre
half/right back.
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Beye is a defender, but I would rather keep Taylor at the back and push Beye up like Sam did with 
Ivan Campo at Bolton.
When he came on at Derby, I noted he is able to make some runs on the wing (although he did not run 
that far) and make crosses. The potential is there.

Philocophus

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> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:55:20 +0100, "Philocophus"
>  wrote:
>
>>What do you see in Amoebi?
>>
>>Also, I would play Beye in preference to Butt.
>>
> beye isn't a midfielder though, and never has been. Faye can and has
> played the defensive midfielder role, but beye is primarily a centre
> half/right back.
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:36:48 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>Beye is a defender, but I would rather keep Taylor at the back and push Beye up like Sam did with 
>Ivan Campo at Bolton.
>When he came on at Derby, I noted he is able to make some runs on the wing (although he did not run 
>that far) and make crosses. The potential is there.
>
>Philocophus

well thats because he's a fullback.

taylor isn't.

stick beye in a holding midfield role and he won't make those runs.

it's the job of a fullback to get forward and support the winger, beye
has had years of practice doing this.

swapping him for butt would achieve nothing, as it's not his position,
and never has been.

there's a difference between making a central defender a defensive
midfielder, and making a full back a defensive midfielder.
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