Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock 
the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.

West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the 
season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.

West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm

bummer.

:)

On 3 Jul, 15:38, scoopex  wrote:
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock
> the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the
> season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

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What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?

Philocophus

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"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be over after their bid to 
> see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the Hammers points over the 
> signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, leading to Sheffield 
> United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:49:31 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
>them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?
>
>Philocophus
>
that he has a release clause that is less than michael owen's.
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At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
drain, threw away game after game
And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run was 
brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad showing is 
it
I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
> deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

"Larry"  wrote in message 
news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
> drain, threw away game after game
> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
> showing is it
> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
while this whole affair was going on.


>
> "scoopex"  wrote in message 
> news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
>> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
>> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
>> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
>> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>>
>> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
>> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>>
>> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
>> deals
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>>
>> bummer.
>>
>> :)
>
>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
 wrote:

>"Larry"  wrote in message 
>news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
>> drain, threw away game after game
>> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
>> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
>> showing is it
>> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up
>
>I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
>while this whole affair was going on.
>
maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
they'd managed to score more goals.

theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
WH's expense.

sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
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Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
"Chris F"  wrote in message
news:q73r83ttg08u6u6ko9o4kfd3kiv55f00fj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Larry"  wrote in message
> >news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the
> >> drain, threw away game after game
> >> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late
run
> >> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad
> >> showing is it
> >> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them
up
> >
> >I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing
> >while this whole affair was going on.
> >
> maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
> they'd managed to score more goals.
>
> theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
> possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
> get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
> WH's expense.
>
> sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
> deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
> -- 
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
wrote:

>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.

well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
they sold a striker (carl asaba?)

sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
relegated.
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"Chris F"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
> wrote:
>
>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>first
>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>Ham's
>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>
> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>
> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
> relegated.
> -- 

While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.

Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
games is the big question.

If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
the top 2, we will see.

Ren

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
>Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
>step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
>Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
>season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
>games is the big question.
>
>If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
>the top 2, we will see.
>
>Ren 

Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.

Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
games and 12 points.

Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Scooby

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
well it was close to 4am, and i had been in the pub since 7....... :)
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"Scooby" illuminated the devils arse on Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:36:43 GMT
by typing:

> >If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can
> >challenge with the top 2, we will see.
> >
> >Ren 
> 
> Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.
> 
> Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
> that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
> games and 12 points.
> 
> Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
> cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Awww didums. It's all one amzing huge conspriacy wrapped up in a large
"it's not fair" blanket, isn't it.

I love the way you conveniently forget that your own performances have
anything to do with it.

-- 
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."

On 3 Jul, 15:38, scoopex  wrote:
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock
> the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the
> season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

*BOUGHT AND PAID FOR*

What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?

Philocophus

**********

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be over after their bid to 
> see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the Hammers points over the 
> signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, leading to Sheffield 
> United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:49:31 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
>them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?
>
>Philocophus
>
that he has a release clause that is less than michael owen's.
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At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
drain, threw away game after game
And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run was 
brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad showing is 
it
I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
> deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

"Larry"  wrote in message 
news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
> drain, threw away game after game
> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
> showing is it
> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
while this whole affair was going on.


>
> "scoopex"  wrote in message 
> news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
>> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
>> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
>> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
>> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>>
>> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
>> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>>
>> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
>> deals
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>>
>> bummer.
>>
>> :)
>
>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
 wrote:

>"Larry"  wrote in message 
>news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
>> drain, threw away game after game
>> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
>> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
>> showing is it
>> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up
>
>I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
>while this whole affair was going on.
>
maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
they'd managed to score more goals.

theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
WH's expense.

sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
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Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
"Chris F"  wrote in message
news:q73r83ttg08u6u6ko9o4kfd3kiv55f00fj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Larry"  wrote in message
> >news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the
> >> drain, threw away game after game
> >> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late
run
> >> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad
> >> showing is it
> >> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them
up
> >
> >I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing
> >while this whole affair was going on.
> >
> maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
> they'd managed to score more goals.
>
> theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
> possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
> get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
> WH's expense.
>
> sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
> deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
> -- 
>
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> http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
wrote:

>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.

well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
they sold a striker (carl asaba?)

sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
relegated.
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"Chris F"  wrote in message 
news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
> wrote:
>
>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>first
>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>Ham's
>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>
> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>
> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
> relegated.
> -- 

While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.

Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
games is the big question.

If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
the top 2, we will see.

Ren

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
>Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
>step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
>Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
>season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
>games is the big question.
>
>If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
>the top 2, we will see.
>
>Ren 

Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.

Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
games and 12 points.

Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Scooby

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
well it was close to 4am, and i had been in the pub since 7....... :)
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"Scooby" illuminated the devils arse on Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:36:43 GMT
by typing:

> >If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can
> >challenge with the top 2, we will see.
> >
> >Ren 
> 
> Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.
> 
> Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
> that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
> games and 12 points.
> 
> Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
> cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Awww didums. It's all one amzing huge conspriacy wrapped up in a large
"it's not fair" blanket, isn't it.

I love the way you conveniently forget that your own performances have
anything to do with it.

-- 
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."

On 3 Jul, 15:38, scoopex  wrote:
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock
> the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the
> season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

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What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?

Philocophus

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"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be over after their bid to 
> see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the Hammers points over the 
> signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, leading to Sheffield 
> United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:49:31 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
>them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?
>
>Philocophus
>
that he has a release clause that is less than michael owen's.
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At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
drain, threw away game after game
And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run was 
brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad showing is 
it
I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
> deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

"Larry"  wrote in message 
news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
> drain, threw away game after game
> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
> showing is it
> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
while this whole affair was going on.


>
> "scoopex"  wrote in message 
> news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
>> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
>> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
>> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
>> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>>
>> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
>> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>>
>> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
>> deals
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>>
>> bummer.
>>
>> :)
>
>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
 wrote:

>"Larry"  wrote in message 
>news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
>> drain, threw away game after game
>> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
>> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
>> showing is it
>> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up
>
>I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
>while this whole affair was going on.
>
maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
they'd managed to score more goals.

theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
WH's expense.

sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
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Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
"Chris F"  wrote in message
news:q73r83ttg08u6u6ko9o4kfd3kiv55f00fj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Larry"  wrote in message
> >news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the
> >> drain, threw away game after game
> >> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late
run
> >> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad
> >> showing is it
> >> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them
up
> >
> >I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing
> >while this whole affair was going on.
> >
> maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
> they'd managed to score more goals.
>
> theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
> possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
> get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
> WH's expense.
>
> sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
> deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
> -- 
>
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
wrote:

>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.

well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
they sold a striker (carl asaba?)

sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
relegated.
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"Chris F"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
> wrote:
>
>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>first
>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>Ham's
>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>
> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>
> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
> relegated.
> -- 

While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.

Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
games is the big question.

If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
the top 2, we will see.

Ren

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
>Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
>step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
>Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
>season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
>games is the big question.
>
>If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
>the top 2, we will see.
>
>Ren 

Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.

Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
games and 12 points.

Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Scooby

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
well it was close to 4am, and i had been in the pub since 7....... :)
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"Scooby" illuminated the devils arse on Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:36:43 GMT
by typing:

> >If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can
> >challenge with the top 2, we will see.
> >
> >Ren 
> 
> Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.
> 
> Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
> that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
> games and 12 points.
> 
> Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
> cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Awww didums. It's all one amzing huge conspriacy wrapped up in a large
"it's not fair" blanket, isn't it.

I love the way you conveniently forget that your own performances have
anything to do with it.

-- 
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."

On 3 Jul, 15:38, scoopex  wrote:
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock
> the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the
> season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

*BOUGHT AND PAID FOR*

What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?

Philocophus

**********

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be over after their bid to 
> see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the Hammers points over the 
> signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, leading to Sheffield 
> United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:49:31 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
>them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?
>
>Philocophus
>
that he has a release clause that is less than michael owen's.
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At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
drain, threw away game after game
And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run was 
brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad showing is 
it
I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
> deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

"Larry"  wrote in message 
news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
> drain, threw away game after game
> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
> showing is it
> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
while this whole affair was going on.


>
> "scoopex"  wrote in message 
> news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
>> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
>> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
>> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
>> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>>
>> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
>> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>>
>> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
>> deals
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>>
>> bummer.
>>
>> :)
>
>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
 wrote:

>"Larry"  wrote in message 
>news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
>> drain, threw away game after game
>> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
>> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
>> showing is it
>> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up
>
>I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
>while this whole affair was going on.
>
maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
they'd managed to score more goals.

theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
WH's expense.

sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
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Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
"Chris F"  wrote in message
news:q73r83ttg08u6u6ko9o4kfd3kiv55f00fj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Larry"  wrote in message
> >news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the
> >> drain, threw away game after game
> >> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late
run
> >> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad
> >> showing is it
> >> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them
up
> >
> >I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing
> >while this whole affair was going on.
> >
> maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
> they'd managed to score more goals.
>
> theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
> possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
> get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
> WH's expense.
>
> sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
> deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
> -- 
>
> gamertag: Chrisflynnuk
> http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
wrote:

>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.

well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
they sold a striker (carl asaba?)

sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
relegated.
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"Chris F"  wrote in message 
news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
> wrote:
>
>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>first
>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>Ham's
>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>
> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>
> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
> relegated.
> -- 

While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.

Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
games is the big question.

If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
the top 2, we will see.

Ren

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
>Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
>step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
>Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
>season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
>games is the big question.
>
>If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
>the top 2, we will see.
>
>Ren 

Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.

Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
games and 12 points.

Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Scooby

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
well it was close to 4am, and i had been in the pub since 7....... :)
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"Scooby" illuminated the devils arse on Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:36:43 GMT
by typing:

> >If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can
> >challenge with the top 2, we will see.
> >
> >Ren 
> 
> Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.
> 
> Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
> that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
> games and 12 points.
> 
> Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
> cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Awww didums. It's all one amzing huge conspriacy wrapped up in a large
"it's not fair" blanket, isn't it.

I love the way you conveniently forget that your own performances have
anything to do with it.

-- 
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leather straps."

On 3 Jul, 15:38, scoopex  wrote:
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock
> the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the
> season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

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What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?

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"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be over after their bid to 
> see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the Hammers points over the 
> signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, leading to Sheffield 
> United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:49:31 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
>them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?
>
>Philocophus
>
that he has a release clause that is less than michael owen's.
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At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
drain, threw away game after game
And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run was 
brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad showing is 
it
I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
> deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

"Larry"  wrote in message 
news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
> drain, threw away game after game
> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
> showing is it
> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
while this whole affair was going on.


>
> "scoopex"  wrote in message 
> news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
>> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
>> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
>> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
>> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>>
>> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
>> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>>
>> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
>> deals
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>>
>> bummer.
>>
>> :)
>
>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
 wrote:

>"Larry"  wrote in message 
>news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
>> drain, threw away game after game
>> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
>> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
>> showing is it
>> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up
>
>I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
>while this whole affair was going on.
>
maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
they'd managed to score more goals.

theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
WH's expense.

sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
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Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
"Chris F"  wrote in message
news:q73r83ttg08u6u6ko9o4kfd3kiv55f00fj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Larry"  wrote in message
> >news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the
> >> drain, threw away game after game
> >> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late
run
> >> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad
> >> showing is it
> >> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them
up
> >
> >I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing
> >while this whole affair was going on.
> >
> maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
> they'd managed to score more goals.
>
> theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
> possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
> get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
> WH's expense.
>
> sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
> deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
> -- 
>
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
wrote:

>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.

well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
they sold a striker (carl asaba?)

sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
relegated.
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"Chris F"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
> wrote:
>
>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>first
>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>Ham's
>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>
> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>
> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
> relegated.
> -- 

While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.

Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
games is the big question.

If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
the top 2, we will see.

Ren

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
>Manure won the title fair and square in the end, every other team has to 
>step up, i'm sure Chelsea can step up, i don't think Arsenal can, whether 
>Liverpool can is the big question. I'm certain they can step up on last 
>season, absolutely no doubt, can we step up enough to be there in the last 5 
>games is the big question.
>
>If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can challenge with 
>the top 2, we will see.
>
>Ren 

Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.

Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
games and 12 points.

Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Scooby

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:50:24 GMT, "Ren" 
wrote:

>
>"Chris F"  wrote in message 
>news:cvj093drst0p2nkbr3g84o8fj75i5sb5o8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0100, "Mighty Mouse" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their 
>>>first
>>>choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
>>>opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West 
>>>Ham's
>>>supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
>>>United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
>>
>> well i'm, noy disputing that, but sheff u did the exact same thin when
>> they sold a striker (carl asaba?)
>>
>> sheff utd ahould have won more game, basically. thats why they got
>> relegated.
>> -- 
>
>While i'm struggling with the grammar of Chris F, i do agree with him.
>
well it was close to 4am, and i had been in the pub since 7....... :)
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"Scooby" illuminated the devils arse on Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:36:43 GMT
by typing:

> >If we have 15+ points by the end of september i think we can
> >challenge with the top 2, we will see.
> >
> >Ren 
> 
> Ren, fair and square?  Hardly.
> 
> Remember they didn't just have 1 goalkeeper they had 2 goalkeepers
> that they refused to allow to play in games involving them which is 4
> games and 12 points.
> 
> Thennnn..... throw in the penalties they got for Ronaldive's blatant
> cheating then tell me they won the league fair and square.

Awww didums. It's all one amzing huge conspriacy wrapped up in a large
"it's not fair" blanket, isn't it.

I love the way you conveniently forget that your own performances have
anything to do with it.

-- 
Moog

"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."

On 3 Jul, 15:38, scoopex  wrote:
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock
> the Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the
> season, leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

*BOUGHT AND PAID FOR*

What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?

Philocophus

**********

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be over after their bid to 
> see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the Hammers points over the 
> signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, leading to Sheffield 
> United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:49:31 +0100, "Philocophus"
 wrote:

>What's amazing is that West Ham announced after the decision that Tevez is registered as a player to 
>them for the next 3 years... and yet they are struggling to keep him. What does that tell us?
>
>Philocophus
>
that he has a release clause that is less than michael owen's.
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At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
drain, threw away game after game
And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run was 
brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad showing is 
it
I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

"scoopex"  wrote in message 
news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>
> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>
> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
> deals
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>
> bummer.
>
> :)

"Larry"  wrote in message 
news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
> drain, threw away game after game
> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
> showing is it
> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up

I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
while this whole affair was going on.


>
> "scoopex"  wrote in message 
> news:468a513a$0$8166$a9266ab1@news.buzzardnews.com...
>> Sheffield United's bid to regain their Premiership status appears to be 
>> over after their bid to see West Ham docked points was dismissed.
>> An arbitration panel upheld the Premier League's decision not to dock the 
>> Hammers points over the signings of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
>>
>> West Ham stayed up at the Blades' expense on the final day of the season, 
>> leading to Sheffield United's appeal.
>>
>> West Ham had earlier been fined £5.5m for their handling of the duo's 
>> deals
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
>>
>> bummer.
>>
>> :)
>
>

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
 wrote:

>"Larry"  wrote in message 
>news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the 
>> drain, threw away game after game
>> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late run 
>> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad 
>> showing is it
>> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them up
>
>I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing 
>while this whole affair was going on.
>
maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
they'd managed to score more goals.

theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
WH's expense.

sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
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Would Manchester United have won the title if Everton had played their first
choice goalkeeper in that end of season game? Maybe, maybe not. In my
opinion this was a far more blatant infringement of the rules as West Ham's
supposed 3rd party influence was not detrimental to any other team, but
United's "Gentleman's Agreement" with Everton definately was.
"Chris F"  wrote in message
news:q73r83ttg08u6u6ko9o4kfd3kiv55f00fj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:32:04 GMT, "John Spencer"
>  wrote:
>
> >"Larry"  wrote in message
> >news:bOmdnVpwuIcdaBbbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> At the end of the day Sheff Utd thrown their Premiership place down the
> >> drain, threw away game after game
> >> And on the pitch you have to say the Hammers deserved it, their late
run
> >> was brilliant and to do the Double over us and the Mancs is not a bad
> >> showing is it
> >> I know once they "somehow" beat us at the Emirates that would keep them
up
> >
> >I don't think they would have stayed up if Tevez was banned from playing
> >while this whole affair was going on.
> >
> maybe not, but then maybe sheff utd wouldnt have been relegated if
> they'd managed to score more goals.
>
> theres lots of if's and buts in this case, and all sheff utd could
> possibly get out of it now is some form of compensation. they won't
> get all of WH's tv money, nor will they get put back into the PL at
> WH's expense.
>
> sheff utd have always looked for someone else to blame, but their
> deficiencies are there own and aren't of west ham's making.
> -- 
>
> gamertag: Chrisflynnuk
> http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk
> Current eBay auctions: http://tinyurl.com/hutcb
> 360, DS, PS2 and Saturn Games For Auction.