2-2 so far,

This is exactly why I don't go anymore

2-0 against Fulham FFS and we are gutless when they come back at us

S**T S**T.. what the F**K is going on ?

Jimbo submitted this idea :
> 2-2 so far,
>
> This is exactly why I don't go anymore
>
> 2-0 against Fulham FFS and we are gutless when they come back at us
>
> S**T S**T.. what the F**K is going on ?

A defence which have never played together before and an innefectual 
midfield, that is what is going on.  We look good going forward but 
Liverpool will tear us apart next week if we defend like that.

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"Jimbo"  wrote in message 
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> 2-2 so far,
>
> This is exactly why I don't go anymore
>
> 2-0 against Fulham FFS and we are gutless when they come back at us
>
> S**T S**T.. what the F**K is going on ?

I'm not quite sure how we lost that. I thought we dominated, until the last 
20 mins. When Hart initially saved that penalty (great save, it was heading 
for the corner) and it rebounded to one of their players, you knew it wasn't 
our day. A makeshift defence didn't help. And the wisdom of playing Sun at 
left back has to be questioned, he's a bit iffy at right back.

I'm very disappointed, but i'm inclined to credit Roy Hodgson with 
spotting that City were coasting and changing his team to fully exploit 
the makeshift defence.
We lost a lot of shape when Geovanni came on for Ireland.
Petrov had a very lazy second half, Johnson too.

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madMental has brought this to us :
> I'm very disappointed, but i'm inclined to credit Roy Hodgson with spotting 
> that City were coasting and changing his team to fully exploit the makeshift 
> defence.
> We lost a lot of shape when Geovanni came on for Ireland.
> Petrov had a very lazy second half, Johnson too.

Johnson is not and has not been right since he came back from injury 
and to me looks like he has rushed back before being fully fit.  Petrov 
was outstanding and I don't think he had a lazy second half at all.  We 
changed a side which was dominating by bringing Geo on and although I 
want him to be good he is not a sub player.  If he is not good enough 
to  start and get a run in the team then he shouldn't come on as sub.  
I don't think Ireland was doing anything spectacular but we definately 
lost shape as soon as he left the field.

We have been shown to be lacking in depth within the squad and in the 
closed season I am sure this will be rectified if the money is there.  
I hope we can buy another decent Left-back, right-back and winger and 
then we will have a squad which can challenge for Europe.  I reckon we 
are only three players short of it, if we don't lose anybody in the 
summer.

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"The Web-Editor"  wrote in message 
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> madMental has brought this to us :
>> I'm very disappointed, but i'm inclined to credit Roy Hodgson with 
>> spotting that City were coasting and changing his team to fully exploit 
>> the makeshift defence.
>> We lost a lot of shape when Geovanni came on for Ireland.
>> Petrov had a very lazy second half, Johnson too.
>
> Johnson is not and has not been right since he came back from injury and 
> to me looks like he has rushed back before being fully fit.  Petrov was 
> outstanding and I don't think he had a lazy second half at all.  We 
> changed a side which was dominating by bringing Geo on and although I want 
> him to be good he is not a sub player.  If he is not good enough to  start 
> and get a run in the team then he shouldn't come on as sub.  I don't think 
> Ireland was doing anything spectacular but we definately lost shape as 
> soon as he left the field.
>
> We have been shown to be lacking in depth within the squad and in the 
> closed season I am sure this will be rectified if the money is there.  I 
> hope we can buy another decent Left-back, right-back and winger and then 
> we will have a squad which can challenge for Europe.  I reckon we are only 
> three players short of it, if we don't lose anybody in the summer.
>
Don't disagree with any of that. I'd add that I thought Sun Jihai was poor 
and it was a pity we didn't give Williamson a start. Hindsight, of course.

"Chas"  wrote in message 
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> "Jimbo"  wrote in message 
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>> 2-2 so far,
>>
>> This is exactly why I don't go anymore
>>
>> 2-0 against Fulham FFS and we are gutless when they come back at us
>>
>> S**T S**T.. what the F**K is going on ?
>
> I'm not quite sure how we lost that. I thought we dominated, until the 
> last 20 mins. When Hart initially saved that penalty (great save, it was 
> heading for the corner) and it rebounded to one of their players, you knew 
> it wasn't our day. A makeshift defence didn't help. And the wisdom of 
> playing Sun at left back has to be questioned, he's a bit iffy at right 
> back.

A bit iffy?  He's just never been Premiership class.  I think we all tend to 
forgive him cos he seems like a nice bloke, but honestly, I wouldn't cry if 
we never saw him pull on a City shirt again.

+mrcakey

"The Web-Editor"  wrote in message 
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> madMental has brought this to us :
>> I'm very disappointed, but i'm inclined to credit Roy Hodgson with 
>> spotting that City were coasting and changing his team to fully exploit 
>> the makeshift defence.
>> We lost a lot of shape when Geovanni came on for Ireland.

Agreed.  I thought Ireland was outstanding yesterday.  Geo was very ball 
greedy but partly that was because people weren't moving around him.

>> Petrov had a very lazy second half, Johnson too.
>
> Johnson is not and has not been right since he came back from injury and 
> to me looks like he has rushed back before being fully fit.  Petrov was 
> outstanding and I don't think he had a lazy second half at all.  We 
> changed a side which was dominating by bringing Geo on and although I want 
> him to be good he is not a sub player.  If he is not good enough to  start 
> and get a run in the team then he shouldn't come on as sub.  I don't think 
> Ireland was doing anything spectacular but we definately lost shape as 
> soon as he left the field.

Johnson is definitely not the player he was.  Perhaps he has his mind on 
playing at Anfield next year?

The fella behind me thought Petrov was lazy too.  I sometimes think people 
should have to pass some sort of intelligence test before being allowed to 
speak at matches - there's ALWAYS some idiot, usually behind me, who moans 
about every thing they possibly can, makes offensive comments or starts 
hounding one of our own players.  But that would reduce the attendance even 
more, which was really poor considering it was the last home game.

>
> We have been shown to be lacking in depth within the squad and in the 
> closed season I am sure this will be rectified if the money is there.  I 
> hope we can buy another decent Left-back, right-back and winger and then 
> we will have a squad which can challenge for Europe.  I reckon we are only 
> three players short of it, if we don't lose anybody in the summer.

I'd be surprised if we didn't lose anybody, but I'm inclined to agree - 
we're ALMOST there.  I'm sure though that some of our reserve/youth 
defenders could have provided better cover than yesterday's reshuffle.

+mrcakey

His not tracking back can be a liability. We  can maybe get away with it 
with Ball at left back but yesterday, after they changed their forwards, 
it was exposing Sun. There was was one incident about a minute before 
the penalty, Petrov had the ball in their box, the attack broke down and 
they moved the ball forward and had Sun defending the left of our box. 
Where was Petrov, stood watching on the corner of their box.
He's been around long enough to know that after they got their first 
goal we'd be put under more pressure and that would mean everyone in the 
team doing their bit to resist.
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  three years ago, and since then the number
  of cases has been steadily increasing."

"mrcakey"  wrote
> I wouldn't cry if we never saw him pull on a City shirt again.

I don't fancy watching him get dressed either...  ;-)

Seriously though, I think he's OK, not great, but OK. His main problem is 
giving away lots of really stupid fouls, like he did yesterday. I think he 
gets the pitch and the dojo mixed up...

"mrcakey"  wrote
> Johnson is definitely not the player he was.  Perhaps he has his mind on 
> playing at Anfield next year?

I forgot he was on the pitch. I don't know if it's contract talks that are 
distracting him, or whether he's just settled down into his comfort zone now 
that he's an established 1st team player. Definitely the least effective of 
the midfield 3. But Ireland seems to get better with every game and I 
thought that Gelson was excellent yesterday.

Just thinking aloud, but maybe the lesson from that game is that full on 
attacking football, which was Fulham after their substitutions, gets better 
results than a defensive line up.

I must say that i thought Ireland had a good game yesterday.
I'd love to know what's going on with Johnson.
Is he not 100% fit, coasting towards his summer holiday or dreaming of 
Anfiield.
See how he plays next Sunday ;-)
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mrcakey brought next idea :
> "Chas"  wrote in message 
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>> "Jimbo"  wrote in message 
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>>> 2-2 so far,
>>>
>>> This is exactly why I don't go anymore
>>>
>>> 2-0 against Fulham FFS and we are gutless when they come back at us
>>>
>>> S**T S**T.. what the F**K is going on ?
>>
>> I'm not quite sure how we lost that. I thought we dominated, until the last 
>> 20 mins. When Hart initially saved that penalty (great save, it was heading 
>> for the corner) and it rebounded to one of their players, you knew it 
>> wasn't our day. A makeshift defence didn't help. And the wisdom of playing 
>> Sun at left back has to be questioned, he's a bit iffy at right back.
>
> A bit iffy?  He's just never been Premiership class.  I think we all tend to 
> forgive him cos he seems like a nice bloke, but honestly, I wouldn't cry if 
> we never saw him pull on a City shirt again.
>
> +mrcakey

He's not a defender he's a defensive midfielder.  A good squad utility 
player who can come in and do a job as a substitute but shouldn't be a 
starter.

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