I posted this to the 606 board.  (Reckon I'm on the edge of giving up on 
this NG - wrote to UK usenet coordinator about starting a moderated version 
and got no reply.)

______________

I'm always embarrassed by my fellow City fans' attitude to this. People trot 
out that Frank Swift (a City player) was also killed in the crash as if that 
alone should engender respect, but that shouldn't enter into the thinking - 
this was a human tragedy.

Another benefit of having a minute's clap rather than a minute's silence is 
that it gives those decent City fans like myself the opportunity to pay 
their respects. No one can hear your silence if there are 2,000 idiots 
making aeroplane noises around you - but they can see you clapping.

______________

That was before United made their choice.  Now I'm more angry than anything.

They know exactly what's going to happen.

They could have rearranged the fixture and held the silence on a different 
day.

They could have opted for the admittedly second rate option of having a 
minute's clap.

But no.  They're going to attempt to instigate a silence on the same day 
they're playing City.  A team whose fans use the word "Munich" with such 
casual disregard for its implied meaning.  Which element of fans has 
previously made aeroplane signs in every previous derby match for the past 
God knows how many years.

What are the chances of getting through it?  Nil.  United know that.  What 
are the consequences?  United sainted, City damned.  It's politics. 
Pathetic politics.  As others have pointed out, this is not a City disease - 
United have an element that will gladly disrupt other people's remembrance, 
even something as recent as Hillsborough.  But City will take all the flak 
and have their reputation damaged, not least internationally - and we know 
what that means in these times.  Very clever.  Very wrong.

+mrcakey

"mrcakey"  wrote in message 
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>I posted this to the 606 board.  (Reckon I'm on the edge of giving up on 
>this NG - wrote to UK usenet coordinator about starting a moderated version 
>and got no reply.)
>
> ______________
>
> I'm always embarrassed by my fellow City fans' attitude to this. People 
> trot out that Frank Swift (a City player) was also killed in the crash as 
> if that alone should engender respect, but that shouldn't enter into the 
> thinking - this was a human tragedy.
>
> Another benefit of having a minute's clap rather than a minute's silence 
> is that it gives those decent City fans like myself the opportunity to pay 
> their respects. No one can hear your silence if there are 2,000 idiots 
> making aeroplane noises around you - but they can see you clapping.
>
> ______________
>
> That was before United made their choice.  Now I'm more angry than 
> anything.
>
> They know exactly what's going to happen.
>
> They could have rearranged the fixture and held the silence on a different 
> day.
>
> They could have opted for the admittedly second rate option of having a 
> minute's clap.
>
> But no.  They're going to attempt to instigate a silence on the same day 
> they're playing City.  A team whose fans use the word "Munich" with such 
> casual disregard for its implied meaning.  Which element of fans has 
> previously made aeroplane signs in every previous derby match for the past 
> God knows how many years.
>
> What are the chances of getting through it?  Nil.  United know that.  What 
> are the consequences?  United sainted, City damned.  It's politics. 
> Pathetic politics.  As others have pointed out, this is not a City 
> disease - United have an element that will gladly disrupt other people's 
> remembrance, even something as recent as Hillsborough.  But City will take 
> all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not least 
> internationally - and we know what that means in these times.  Very 
> clever.  Very wrong.
>
> +mrcakey

Quelle surprise Mr C. United have exploited the Munich disaster for their
own ends for years, sometimes to evoke sympathy and sometimes for 
"political"
gain. Yet, like all good religious zealots, anyone who detracts from the
"populist" viewpoint is worthy of being burnt at the stake.

It was 50 years ago FFS. The majority of United fans can't remember any
further back than 1992 so why is this still relevant?

In 46 years time, will City have a minute's silence to commemorate the death
of Marc Vivian Foe? I suspect not.
>

"Henry Crun"  wrote in message 
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>
> "mrcakey"  wrote in message 
> news:fn54vk$83o$1@aioe.org...
>>I posted this to the 606 board.  (Reckon I'm on the edge of giving up on 
>>this NG - wrote to UK usenet coordinator about starting a moderated 
>>version and got no reply.)
>>
>> ______________
>>
>> I'm always embarrassed by my fellow City fans' attitude to this. People 
>> trot out that Frank Swift (a City player) was also killed in the crash as 
>> if that alone should engender respect, but that shouldn't enter into the 
>> thinking - this was a human tragedy.
>>
>> Another benefit of having a minute's clap rather than a minute's silence 
>> is that it gives those decent City fans like myself the opportunity to 
>> pay their respects. No one can hear your silence if there are 2,000 
>> idiots making aeroplane noises around you - but they can see you 
>> clapping.
>>
>> ______________
>>
>> That was before United made their choice.  Now I'm more angry than 
>> anything.
>>
>> They know exactly what's going to happen.
>>
>> They could have rearranged the fixture and held the silence on a 
>> different day.
>>
>> They could have opted for the admittedly second rate option of having a 
>> minute's clap.
>>
>> But no.  They're going to attempt to instigate a silence on the same day 
>> they're playing City.  A team whose fans use the word "Munich" with such 
>> casual disregard for its implied meaning.  Which element of fans has 
>> previously made aeroplane signs in every previous derby match for the 
>> past God knows how many years.
>>
>> What are the chances of getting through it?  Nil.  United know that. 
>> What are the consequences?  United sainted, City damned.  It's politics. 
>> Pathetic politics.  As others have pointed out, this is not a City 
>> disease - United have an element that will gladly disrupt other people's 
>> remembrance, even something as recent as Hillsborough.  But City will 
>> take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not least 
>> internationally - and we know what that means in these times.  Very 
>> clever.  Very wrong.
>>
>> +mrcakey
>
> Quelle surprise Mr C. United have exploited the Munich disaster for their
> own ends for years, sometimes to evoke sympathy and sometimes for 
> "political"
> gain. Yet, like all good religious zealots, anyone who detracts from the
> "populist" viewpoint is worthy of being burnt at the stake.
>
> It was 50 years ago FFS. The majority of United fans can't remember any
> further back than 1992 so why is this still relevant?
>
> In 46 years time, will City have a minute's silence to commemorate the 
> death
> of Marc Vivian Foe? I suspect not.
>>
>
>

wow Henry are you really that naive??
no wonder they fucked you off to France
nothing has or will happen like this again in football and  it WILL always 
be remembered.
MVF is totally different

mrcakey wrote:
> I posted this to the 606 board.  (Reckon I'm on the edge of giving up on 
> this NG - wrote to UK usenet coordinator about starting a moderated version 
> and got no reply.)
> 
> ______________
> 
> I'm always embarrassed by my fellow City fans' attitude to this. People trot 
> out that Frank Swift (a City player) was also killed in the crash as if that 
> alone should engender respect, but that shouldn't enter into the thinking - 
> this was a human tragedy.
> 
> Another benefit of having a minute's clap rather than a minute's silence is 
> that it gives those decent City fans like myself the opportunity to pay 
> their respects. No one can hear your silence if there are 2,000 idiots 
> making aeroplane noises around you - but they can see you clapping.
> 
> ______________
> 
> That was before United made their choice.  Now I'm more angry than anything.
> 
> They know exactly what's going to happen.
> 
> They could have rearranged the fixture and held the silence on a different 
> day.
> 
> They could have opted for the admittedly second rate option of having a 
> minute's clap.
> 
> But no.  They're going to attempt to instigate a silence on the same day 
> they're playing City.  A team whose fans use the word "Munich" with such 
> casual disregard for its implied meaning.  Which element of fans has 
> previously made aeroplane signs in every previous derby match for the past 
> God knows how many years.
> 
> What are the chances of getting through it?  Nil.  United know that.  What 
> are the consequences?  United sainted, City damned.  It's politics. 
> Pathetic politics.  As others have pointed out, this is not a City disease - 
> United have an element that will gladly disrupt other people's remembrance, 
> even something as recent as Hillsborough.  But City will take all the flak 
> and have their reputation damaged, not least internationally - and we know 
> what that means in these times.  Very clever.  Very wrong.
> 
> +mrcakey 
> 
> 

personally i find the whole thing funny as hell TBH.

lol. :D

"mrcakey"  wrote in message 
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A football match is no place for "services" of remembrance.  This whole 
minutes silence/clapping and armband wearing at the drop of a hat seems to 
have crept in since Princess Diana died.  The whole thing makes me sick. 
It's just PR bullshit.  Those in genuine grief should attend their local 
church, although most who will be in the stadium were not even born in 1958

Applause is in order if someone has recently died but as utd want an act 
of remembrance silence is called for.
I don't see the conspiracy in utd insisting on a silence, if anything 
the City supporters group have brought attention on themselves by asking 
for applause as a solution to our problem, that of some fcuking numbnuts 
disrespecting the tradgedy. Surely City can get together with the 3000 
who'll be there (and £50 poorer for the privilege too) and get the 
message across that for that for just one minute they should be silent. 
They're all being issued with a scarf, they can hold them up in unison. 
No one can stop them thinking that it's all a bit mawkishly sentimental 
whilst they do it, we just don't want City getting a bad name.
-- 
   I've got a bike. You can ride it if you like.
   It's got a basket, a bell that rings and
   Things to make it look good.
   I'd give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it.

"madMental"  wrote in message 
news:fn5cg8$srj$1@news.datemas.de...
> Applause is in order if someone has recently died but as utd want an act 
> of remembrance silence is called for.
> I don't see the conspiracy in utd insisting on a silence, if anything the 
> City supporters group have brought attention on themselves by asking for 
> applause as a solution to our problem, that of some fcuking numbnuts 
> disrespecting the tradgedy. Surely City can get together with the 3000 
> who'll be there (and £50 poorer for the privilege too) and get the message 
> across that for that for just one minute they should be silent. They're 
> all being issued with a scarf, they can hold them up in unison. No one can 
> stop them thinking that it's all a bit mawkishly sentimental whilst they 
> do it, we just don't want City getting a bad name.

Let's hope that's what happens. But we've all been at matches with a 
one-minute silence. Even as few as 7 or 8 blue nutters could completely ruin 
it and give the red nutters an excuse to get nasty. I agree with e+, its a 
bad idea.

On 22 Jan, 17:14, "Goaty"  wrote:
> "Henry Crun"  wrote in message
>
> news:1201020659.86340.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "mrcakey"  wrote in message
> >news:fn54vk$83o$1@aioe.org...
> >>I posted this to the 606 board.  (Reckon I'm on the edge of giving up on
> >>this NG - wrote to UK usenet coordinator about starting a moderated
> >>version and got no reply.)
>
> >> ______________
>
> >> I'm always embarrassed by my fellow City fans' attitude to this. People> >> trot out that Frank Swift (a City player) was also killed in the crash as
> >> if that alone should engender respect, but that shouldn't enter into the
> >> thinking - this was a human tragedy.
>
> >> Another benefit of having a minute's clap rather than a minute's silence
> >> is that it gives those decent City fans like myself the opportunity to
> >> pay their respects. No one can hear your silence if there are 2,000
> >> idiots making aeroplane noises around you - but they can see you
> >> clapping.
>
> >> ______________
>
> >> That was before United made their choice.  Now I'm more angry than
> >> anything.
>
> >> They know exactly what's going to happen.
>
> >> They could have rearranged the fixture and held the silence on a
> >> different day.
>
> >> They could have opted for the admittedly second rate option of having a> >> minute's clap.
>
> >> But no.  They're going to attempt to instigate a silence on the same day
> >> they're playing City.  A team whose fans use the word "Munich" with such
> >> casual disregard for its implied meaning.  Which element of fans has
> >> previously made aeroplane signs in every previous derby match for the
> >> past God knows how many years.
>
> >> What are the chances of getting through it?  Nil.  United know that> >> What are the consequences?  United sainted, City damned.  It's politics.
> >> Pathetic politics.  As others have pointed out, this is not a City
> >> disease - United have an element that will gladly disrupt other people's
> >> remembrance, even something as recent as Hillsborough.  But City will> >> take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not least
> >> internationally - and we know what that means in these times.  Very
> >> clever.  Very wrong.
>
> >> 骷᪑
>
> > Quelle surprise Mr C. United have exploited the Munich disaster for their
> > own ends for years, sometimes to evoke sympathy and sometimes for
> > "political"
> > gain. Yet, like all good religious zealots, anyone who detracts from the> > "populist" viewpoint is worthy of being burnt at the stake.
>
> > It was 50 years ago FFS. The majority of United fans can't remember any
> > further back than 1992 so why is this still relevant?
>
> > In 46 years time, will City have a minute's silence to commemorate the
> > death
> > of Marc Vivian Foe? I suspect not.
>
> wow Henry are you really that naive??
> no wonder they fucked you off to France
> nothing has or will happen like this again in football and  it WILL always
> be remembered.
> MVF is totally different- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Perhaps you should read the wider football press more. In the late
90's Zambia lost their entire international squad after their plane
crashed into the sea off Ghana. You also forgot the Bradford fire, The
Ibrox disaster and Hillsborough. A plane crashed, some people died.
Boo hoo, get over it.

What you should have said was: nothing has or will happen like this
again to Manchester United.

It's shit sentimentality, and for one minute we will have to go along 
with it.

-- 
   I've got a bike. You can ride it if you like.
   It's got a basket, a bell that rings and
   Things to make it look good.
   I'd give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it.

"mrcakey"  wrote
> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not 
> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times.  Very 
> clever.  Very wrong.

I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will probably 
tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully people will know 
that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable few nutters and not the 
vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have some nutters, it's almost 
inevitable, everyone knows that. Interestingly, in our case it seems that 
our nutters are the ones with lots of loyalty points (judging from where the 
bad taste chants come from during away matches). So by sticking with the 
loyalty point system for this game, the club have almost guaranteed 
problems.

The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem. For 
example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 100 very 
visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that anyone who 
did not respect the occasion would have their membership revoked.

"Chas"  wrote in message 
news:13pem3be5kci314@corp.supernews.com...
> "mrcakey"  wrote
>> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not 
>> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times.  Very 
>> clever.  Very wrong.
>
> I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will probably 
> tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully people will 
> know that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable few nutters and 
> not the vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have some nutters, 
> it's almost inevitable, everyone knows that. Interestingly, in our case it 
> seems that our nutters are the ones with lots of loyalty points (judging 
> from where the bad taste chants come from during away matches). So by 
> sticking with the loyalty point system for this game, the club have almost 
> guaranteed problems.
>
> The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem. For 
> example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 100 very 
> visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that anyone 
> who did not respect the occasion would have their membership revoked.

It would be United's responsibility to do that.  We'll see what they have 
lined up.

The great difficulty with disrespectful idiots is that you then get the 
people slapping them and telling them to shut up, which then escalates into 
an incident.  Multiply by however many disrespectful idiots there are and 
that causes quite a commotion.

I'm not hopeful.  Still haven't been able to get a ticket myself.  Not 
hopeful on that score either.

+mrcakey

"mrcakey"  wrote in message 
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> "Chas"  wrote in message 
> news:13pem3be5kci314@corp.supernews.com...
>> "mrcakey"  wrote
>>> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not 
>>> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times. 
>>> Very clever.  Very wrong.
>>
>> I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will 
>> probably tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully 
>> people will know that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable few 
>> nutters and not the vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have some 
>> nutters, it's almost inevitable, everyone knows that. Interestingly, in 
>> our case it seems that our nutters are the ones with lots of loyalty 
>> points (judging from where the bad taste chants come from during away 
>> matches). So by sticking with the loyalty point system for this game, the 
>> club have almost guaranteed problems.
>>
>> The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem. 
>> For example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 100 
>> very visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that 
>> anyone who did not respect the occasion would have their membership 
>> revoked.
>
> It would be United's responsibility to do that.  We'll see what they have 
> lined up.
>
> The great difficulty with disrespectful idiots is that you then get the 
> people slapping them and telling them to shut up, which then escalates 
> into an incident.  Multiply by however many disrespectful idiots there are 
> and that causes quite a commotion.
>
> I'm not hopeful.  Still haven't been able to get a ticket myself.  Not 
> hopeful on that score either.
>
> +mrcakey

Even less hopeful now it's sold out.  Arse.

+mrcakey

"mrcakey"  wrote in message 
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> "mrcakey"  wrote in message 
> news:fn7pvn$8ga$1@aioe.org...
>> "Chas"  wrote in message 
>> news:13pem3be5kci314@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "mrcakey"  wrote
>>>> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not 
>>>> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times. 
>>>> Very clever.  Very wrong.
>>>
>>> I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will 
>>> probably tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully 
>>> people will know that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable few 
>>> nutters and not the vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have 
>>> some nutters, it's almost inevitable, everyone knows that. 
>>> Interestingly, in our case it seems that our nutters are the ones with 
>>> lots of loyalty points (judging from where the bad taste chants come 
>>> from during away matches). So by sticking with the loyalty point system 
>>> for this game, the club have almost guaranteed problems.
>>>
>>> The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem. 
>>> For example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 100 
>>> very visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that 
>>> anyone who did not respect the occasion would have their membership 
>>> revoked.
>>
>> It would be United's responsibility to do that.  We'll see what they have 
>> lined up.
>>
>> The great difficulty with disrespectful idiots is that you then get the 
>> people slapping them and telling them to shut up, which then escalates 
>> into an incident.  Multiply by however many disrespectful idiots there 
>> are and that causes quite a commotion.
>>
>> I'm not hopeful.  Still haven't been able to get a ticket myself.  Not 
>> hopeful on that score either.
>>
>> +mrcakey
>
> Even less hopeful now it's sold out.  Arse.
>
> +mrcakey
What will most likely happen is that a small minority of mindless idiots 
will chant during the silence and this will give the red noses an excuse to 
plough into all city fans and beat them senseless, which will of course be 
reported in the press the next day as being the city fans fault and that you 
can't blame the reds for being upset. Then the mindless violence dealt out 
by the worst fans in England will be swiftly swept under the carpet by the 
footballing authorities

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:13:08 -0000, "Runci" 
wrote:

>
>"mrcakey"  wrote in message 
>news:fn7q6b$9g2$1@aioe.org...
>> "mrcakey"  wrote in message 
>> news:fn7pvn$8ga$1@aioe.org...
>>> "Chas"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13pem3be5kci314@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> "mrcakey"  wrote
>>>>> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, not 
>>>>> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times. 
>>>>> Very clever.  Very wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will 
>>>> probably tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully 
>>>> people will know that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable few 
>>>> nutters and not the vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have 
>>>> some nutters, it's almost inevitable, everyone knows that. 
>>>> Interestingly, in our case it seems that our nutters are the ones with 
>>>> lots of loyalty points (judging from where the bad taste chants come 
>>>> from during away matches). So by sticking with the loyalty point system 
>>>> for this game, the club have almost guaranteed problems.
>>>>
>>>> The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem. 
>>>> For example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 100 
>>>> very visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that 
>>>> anyone who did not respect the occasion would have their membership 
>>>> revoked.
>>>
>>> It would be United's responsibility to do that.  We'll see what they have 
>>> lined up.
>>>
>>> The great difficulty with disrespectful idiots is that you then get the 
>>> people slapping them and telling them to shut up, which then escalates 
>>> into an incident.  Multiply by however many disrespectful idiots there 
>>> are and that causes quite a commotion.
>>>
>>> I'm not hopeful.  Still haven't been able to get a ticket myself.  Not 
>>> hopeful on that score either.
>>>
>>> +mrcakey
>>
>> Even less hopeful now it's sold out.  Arse.
>>
>> +mrcakey
>What will most likely happen is that a small minority of mindless idiots 
>will chant during the silence and this will give the red noses an excuse to 
>plough into all city fans and beat them senseless, which will of course be 
>reported in the press the next day as being the city fans fault and that you 
>can't blame the reds for being upset. Then the mindless violence dealt out 
>by the worst fans in England will be swiftly swept under the carpet by the 
>footballing authorities 
>
Most United fans agree that this whole thing has been organised very
poorly. Speaking as a United fan I surely won't be blaming  the City
fans if it goes pear shaped, in my opinion it was engineered to fail
from the start.
   As an old fart I can actually remember back to the actual disaster
(I was a wee lad) and the way the whole City mourned the horrific
losses. Those are the memories I'll always savour and fondly remember
the City fans by. What happens next week will have no reflection on my
memories or opinion of the City fans.
   I remember being allowed to wear our United scarves to school the
next day and many of my school mates who were actually City fans
somehow found a United scarve to wear that day. 



RED DEVIL

"RED DEVIL"  wrote in message 
news:34p6q3djjjf2ni75subddfbh1lmc0kcpl4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:13:08 -0000, "Runci" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"mrcakey"  wrote in message
>>news:fn7q6b$9g2$1@aioe.org...
>>> "mrcakey"  wrote in message
>>> news:fn7pvn$8ga$1@aioe.org...
>>>> "Chas"  wrote in message
>>>> news:13pem3be5kci314@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> "mrcakey"  wrote
>>>>>> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times.
>>>>>> Very clever.  Very wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will
>>>>> probably tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully
>>>>> people will know that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable 
>>>>> few
>>>>> nutters and not the vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have
>>>>> some nutters, it's almost inevitable, everyone knows that.
>>>>> Interestingly, in our case it seems that our nutters are the ones with
>>>>> lots of loyalty points (judging from where the bad taste chants come
>>>>> from during away matches). So by sticking with the loyalty point 
>>>>> system
>>>>> for this game, the club have almost guaranteed problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem.
>>>>> For example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 
>>>>> 100
>>>>> very visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that
>>>>> anyone who did not respect the occasion would have their membership
>>>>> revoked.
>>>>
>>>> It would be United's responsibility to do that.  We'll see what they 
>>>> have
>>>> lined up.
>>>>
>>>> The great difficulty with disrespectful idiots is that you then get the
>>>> people slapping them and telling them to shut up, which then escalates
>>>> into an incident.  Multiply by however many disrespectful idiots there
>>>> are and that causes quite a commotion.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not hopeful.  Still haven't been able to get a ticket myself.  Not
>>>> hopeful on that score either.
>>>>
>>>> +mrcakey
>>>
>>> Even less hopeful now it's sold out.  Arse.
>>>
>>> +mrcakey
>>What will most likely happen is that a small minority of mindless idiots
>>will chant during the silence and this will give the red noses an excuse 
>>to
>>plough into all city fans and beat them senseless, which will of course be
>>reported in the press the next day as being the city fans fault and that 
>>you
>>can't blame the reds for being upset. Then the mindless violence dealt out
>>by the worst fans in England will be swiftly swept under the carpet by the
>>footballing authorities
>>
> Most United fans agree that this whole thing has been organised very
> poorly. Speaking as a United fan I surely won't be blaming  the City
> fans if it goes pear shaped, in my opinion it was engineered to fail
> from the start.
>   As an old fart I can actually remember back to the actual disaster
> (I was a wee lad) and the way the whole City mourned the horrific
> losses. Those are the memories I'll always savour and fondly remember
> the City fans by. What happens next week will have no reflection on my
> memories or opinion of the City fans.
>   I remember being allowed to wear our United scarves to school the
> next day and many of my school mates who were actually City fans
> somehow found a United scarve to wear that day.
>
>
>
> RED DEVIL
>

Different times.  Much lamented in many ways.

City actually had a double page spread about the anniversary yesterday. 
Didn't read it (didn't get a programme) but it's good that at least some in 
the club have respect.

+mrcakey

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:50:28 -0000, "mrcakey" 
wrote:

>"RED DEVIL"  wrote in message 
>news:34p6q3djjjf2ni75subddfbh1lmc0kcpl4@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:13:08 -0000, "Runci" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"mrcakey"  wrote in message
>>>news:fn7q6b$9g2$1@aioe.org...
>>>> "mrcakey"  wrote in message
>>>> news:fn7pvn$8ga$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> "Chas"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:13pem3be5kci314@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> "mrcakey"  wrote
>>>>>>> But City will take all the flak and have their reputation damaged, 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> least internationally - and we know what that means in these times.
>>>>>>> Very clever.  Very wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't feel as pessimistic as you. Yes, a handful of morons will
>>>>>> probably tarnish the good name of all City supporters. But hopefully
>>>>>> people will know that that is the extent of it, just the inevitable 
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> nutters and not the vast, vast majority of City fans. All clubs have
>>>>>> some nutters, it's almost inevitable, everyone knows that.
>>>>>> Interestingly, in our case it seems that our nutters are the ones with
>>>>>> lots of loyalty points (judging from where the bad taste chants come
>>>>>> from during away matches). So by sticking with the loyalty point 
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> for this game, the club have almost guaranteed problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The club has also done little of any substance to address the problem.
>>>>>> For example, they could have sold 100 fewer tickets and distributed 
>>>>>> 100
>>>>>> very visible City stewards throughout the crowd, with the promise that
>>>>>> anyone who did not respect the occasion would have their membership
>>>>>> revoked.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be United's responsibility to do that.  We'll see what they 
>>>>> have
>>>>> lined up.
>>>>>
>>>>> The great difficulty with disrespectful idiots is that you then get the
>>>>> people slapping them and telling them to shut up, which then escalates
>>>>> into an incident.  Multiply by however many disrespectful idiots there
>>>>> are and that causes quite a commotion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not hopeful.  Still haven't been able to get a ticket myself.  Not
>>>>> hopeful on that score either.
>>>>>
>>>>> +mrcakey
>>>>
>>>> Even less hopeful now it's sold out.  Arse.
>>>>
>>>> +mrcakey
>>>What will most likely happen is that a small minority of mindless idiots
>>>will chant during the silence and this will give the red noses an excuse 
>>>to
>>>plough into all city fans and beat them senseless, which will of course be
>>>reported in the press the next day as being the city fans fault and that 
>>>you
>>>can't blame the reds for being upset. Then the mindless violence dealt out
>>>by the worst fans in England will be swiftly swept under the carpet by the
>>>footballing authorities
>>>
>> Most United fans agree that this whole thing has been organised very
>> poorly. Speaking as a United fan I surely won't be blaming  the City
>> fans if it goes pear shaped, in my opinion it was engineered to fail
>> from the start.
>>   As an old fart I can actually remember back to the actual disaster
>> (I was a wee lad) and the way the whole City mourned the horrific
>> losses. Those are the memories I'll always savour and fondly remember
>> the City fans by. What happens next week will have no reflection on my
>> memories or opinion of the City fans.
>>   I remember being allowed to wear our United scarves to school the
>> next day and many of my school mates who were actually City fans
>> somehow found a United scarve to wear that day.
>>
>>
>>
>> RED DEVIL
>>
>
>Different times.  Much lamented in many ways.
>
>City actually had a double page spread about the anniversary yesterday. 
>Didn't read it (didn't get a programme) but it's good that at least some in 
>the club have respect.
>
>+mrcakey 
>
I'd say "most" in the club have respect.


RED DEVIL

>snipped<

>>Different times.  Much lamented in many ways.
>>
>>City actually had a double page spread about the anniversary yesterday.
>>Didn't read it (didn't get a programme) but it's good that at least some 
>>in
>>the club have respect.
>>
>>+mrcakey
>>
> I'd say "most" in the club have respect.
>
>
> RED DEVIL
>

I'm certain the club have the utmost respect in the matter but I've always 
been disappointed in that Manchester City didn't align themselves more to 
the tragedy in Munich, it was a tragedy for Manchester football. United had 
a team destroyed, footballers of various ages, prospects and abilities but a 
great team in the making. City lost a legendary figure too (sorry for 
trotting this one out mrcakey), Frank Swift was a truly great player for 
Manchester City. God knows we have had very few of these in recent times. 
When I was a kid I constantly heard about "Big Swifty" and Bert Trautmann. 
These were the 2 names that stood head and shoulders above all others that 
had played for the club. Since the great Colin Bell hung up his boots there 
has been no other player we can actually call a "legend". Nowadays we speak 
in hushed tones about Foe and revere his memory and untimely (and tragic) 
death. Whilst not wishing to disrespect him in any way, he had worn the City 
shirt for less than 12 months, Frank Swift played for about 16/17 years for 
City and was an integral part of our history. The club never really paid any 
great tribute to his memory. I'm sure in the aftermath they did and maybe 
due to the pain and heartbreak that followed, people wanted to move on. Many 
of the survivors felt "forgotten" for a long time afterwards. Too many years 
have passed now but I thought City should've accepted that the Munich 
tragedy was a small part of our history too. Not to silence the idiot 
section, but to honour a great player. I've given up apologising for the 
cretins who celebrate the event and I hope United supporters will see this 
day has a day to pay their respects to the memory of their lost heroes and 
simply disregard the attempts by idiots to disrupt their tribute to them. If 
not, the idiots will be on both sides and the idiots will have won.


-- 
Regards
GrandAdge

(take "the mickey" out)

Couldn't agree more.

Jimbo


"GrandAdge"  wrote in message 
news:Aeqpj.2475$zg.475@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> >snipped<
>
>>>Different times.  Much lamented in many ways.
>>>
>>>City actually had a double page spread about the anniversary yesterday.
>>>Didn't read it (didn't get a programme) but it's good that at least some 
>>>in
>>>the club have respect.
>>>
>>>+mrcakey
>>>
>> I'd say "most" in the club have respect.
>>
>>
>> RED DEVIL
>>
>
> I'm certain the club have the utmost respect in the matter but I've always 
> been disappointed in that Manchester City didn't align themselves more to 
> the tragedy in Munich, it was a tragedy for Manchester football. United 
> had a team destroyed, footballers of various ages, prospects and abilities 
> but a great team in the making. City lost a legendary figure too (sorry 
> for trotting this one out mrcakey), Frank Swift was a truly great player 
> for Manchester City. God knows we have had very few of these in recent 
> times. When I was a kid I constantly heard about "Big Swifty" and Bert 
> Trautmann. These were the 2 names that stood head and shoulders above all 
> others that had played for the club. Since the great Colin Bell hung up 
> his boots there has been no other player we can actually call a "legend". 
> Nowadays we speak in hushed tones about Foe and revere his memory and 
> untimely (and tragic) death. Whilst not wishing to disrespect him in any 
> way, he had worn the City shirt for less than 12 months, Frank Swift 
> played for about 16/17 years for City and was an integral part of our 
> history. The club never really paid any great tribute to his memory. I'm 
> sure in the aftermath they did and maybe due to the pain and heartbreak 
> that followed, people wanted to move on. Many of the survivors felt 
> "forgotten" for a long time afterwards. Too many years have passed now but 
> I thought City should've accepted that the Munich tragedy was a small part 
> of our history too. Not to silence the idiot section, but to honour a 
> great player. I've given up apologising for the cretins who celebrate the 
> event and I hope United supporters will see this day has a day to pay 
> their respects to the memory of their lost heroes and simply disregard the 
> attempts by idiots to disrupt their tribute to them. If not, the idiots 
> will be on both sides and the idiots will have won.
>
>
> -- 
> Regards
> GrandAdge
>
> (take "the mickey" out)
>
>
>
>