Rafael.

Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
or selling them for a good profit.

He doesn't seem the type to leave promising 17-21 year olds
languishing in the reserves endlessly.    For example, rather than
sign an injured 2nd rate fulback with no upside, he figured he'd give
Rafael a try.

Yes, I understand some might need fitness, and yes it's a matter of
being deserving.  However, if none of them are good enough to get a
few minutes here and there ahead of Pennant, Degen or N'gog then we
have to be honest and admit that we VASTLY overrate our kids and that
we should cool it with some of the stellar reviews what we give to
some of them.

"They're not ready" is ok for a 16-17 year old.  But by the time
they're 19-21 "they're not ready" IMO means that they probably won't
make it.  On an aspiring title contender I mean.  They may make it in
the Championship maybe.  Nobody's expecting a starter or a superstar,
but they should be able to put in productive 15 minutes against League
One teams at home, or away in the Champions League vs. an Austrian
team IF we've already secured qualification.  It's not throwing lambs
to the slaughter, they'd still be a few players on the pitch.

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> Rafael.
>
> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
> or selling them for a good profit.
>
> He doesn't seem the type to leave promising 17-21 year olds
> languishing in the reserves endlessly.    For example, rather than
> sign an injured 2nd rate fulback with no upside, he figured he'd give
> Rafael a try.

[snipped]

QFT!

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> Rafael.
>
> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
> or selling them for a good profit.

what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?

On Oct 2, 1:50 pm, "BOFH"  wrote:

> > Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
> > look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
> > or selling them for a good profit.
>
> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?

Apples and oranges.

Do you think Benitez will be here for 25 years?

Still doesnt' address the issue that either we VASTLY overrate our
youth and they're not good at all, OR their development is being
stifled by lack of even throwaway minutes.

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On Oct 2, 1:50 pm, "BOFH"  wrote:

> > Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
> > look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
> > or selling them for a good profit.
>
> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?

Apples and oranges.

Not at all !

Comparing Benitez in year five and SAF in year five is apples and apples.

Making the comparison at 5/20 is not valid.

SAF produces very few (waits) genuine 1st team players from youth even now. 
Check the first team (yes, they get in the squad but rarely on the pitch)

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> "Google Beta User"  wrote in message 
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>> Rafael.
>>
>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>> or selling them for a good profit.
>
> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?



Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
positive.

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> On Oct 2, 1:50 pm, "BOFH"  wrote:
>
>> > Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>> > look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>> > or selling them for a good profit.
>>
>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> Not at all !
>
> Comparing Benitez in year five and SAF in year five is apples and apples.
>
> Making the comparison at 5/20 is not valid.
>
> SAF produces very few (waits) genuine 1st team players from youth even 
> now. Check the first team (yes, they get in the squad but rarely on the 
> pitch)
>


United won the Treble with our home grown kids.

Every season another makes the first team.

That's an amazing record for the biggest club in the world who can afford to 
buy anyone.

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>> "Google Beta User"  wrote in message 
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>>> Rafael.
>>>
>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>
>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>
>
>
> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
> positive.

I think your maths is letting you down there thicky

pmsl

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>> On Oct 2, 1:50 pm, "BOFH"  wrote:
>>
>>> > Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>> > look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>> > or selling them for a good profit.
>>>
>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>>
>> Apples and oranges.
>>
>> Not at all !
>>
>> Comparing Benitez in year five and SAF in year five is apples and apples.
>>
>> Making the comparison at 5/20 is not valid.
>>
>> SAF produces very few (waits) genuine 1st team players from youth even 
>> now. Check the first team (yes, they get in the squad but rarely on the 
>> pitch)
>>
>
>
> United won the Treble with our home grown kids.
>
> Every season another makes the first team.
>
> That's an amazing record for the biggest club in the world who can afford 
> to buy anyone.

Thought you were talking about United Tim ?

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>>> Rafael.
>>>
>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>
>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>
>
>
> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
> positive.

Wes Brown was the player with most matches last season. O'Shea and Fletcher 
are invaluable backup players. Having players like that who are United 
through and through is very important. They are not complaining about being 
second choice and won't cause unrest in the squad like 'outsiders' often do.

Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Possebon, Gibson, Evans and Campbell are all very 
likely to be part of Man Utd's future.

That's what I don't get about Rafa's transfer policy. He has bought tons of 
mediocre backup players instead of promoting youth players. Benayoun, 
Pennant, Degen, Voronin just to name a few. He has already sold at least 15 
of his own signings and has been more or less forced to sell players because 
they were unhappy on the bench...Garcia and Crouch comes to mind. Agger 
being the latest example of rumours about unrest. I think it would also give 
all the young players a motivational boost to see that it's possible to get 
a chance in the first team.

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>> "Google Beta User"  wrote in message 
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>>> Rafael.
>>>
>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>
>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>
>
>
> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
> positive.

precisely. You hadn't heard of them then. That's the point I am making. 
Thank you.

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>
> Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Possebon, Gibson, Evans and Campbell are all very 
> likely to be part of Man Utd's future.
>

rossi...what happened to rossi.....

they will all be a the likes of stoke and reading within 18 months

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>> Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Possebon, Gibson, Evans and Campbell are all very 
>> likely to be part of Man Utd's future.
>>
>
> rossi...what happened to rossi.....

He is now at Villarreal and doing very well. Shame he didn't have more 
patience. He wants regular first team football and he couldn't get that at 
United at the moment. Just another example of a top player coming from 
United's academy.

> they will all be a the likes of stoke and reading within 18 months

Well that comment tells me you can't be taken seriously.

On Oct 2, 4:50 pm, "BOFH"  wrote:
> "Jesper Nøhr Andersen"  wrote in messagenews:48e52596$0$5958$ba624c82@nntp06.dk.telia.net...
>
>
>
> > Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Possebon, Gibson, Evans and Campbell are all very
> > likely to be part of Man Utd's future.
>
> rossi...what happened to rossi.....

Starting in La Liga.  Sold for a profit.  United have first option to
buy back.  Chances are he'll get a callup at some ponit for the
qualifeirs.  He was never going to unseat Rooney or Tevez and he
wanted regular first team football.

Meanwhile, we have Nemeth (hurt now, ok) and Pacheco.  They are the
best of the best prospects, so much so that instead of being afforded
the opportunity to get a few minutes this season....Benitez buys a
known quantity, a star who will bring predictable results...N'gog.

Now it's not that N'gog is bad, it's just that any minutes this season
that go towards N'gog should've been allocated to Nemeth.

Pacheco is 17, so yes, maybe he needs to develop physically or
whatever.  But Nemth is 19.  He should get minutes this season.

BOFH  wrote:
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> "Jesper N?hr Andersen"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Possebon, Gibson, Evans and Campbell are all very 
>> likely to be part of Man Utd's future.
>>
> 
> rossi...what happened to rossi.....
> 
> they will all be a the likes of stoke and reading within 18 months 
> 

And that would be better than our youth, who will be playing for 
Championship sides.

Wanyikuli has a very good point, especially with Degen and N'Gog.

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>>> "Google Beta User"  wrote in message 
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>>>> Rafael.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>>
>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
>> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
>> positive.

Really!!! I could have sworn some of them came from other youth setups after 
being pinched by manu. Giggs, Beckham certainly came from different youth 
clubs

Redman

Jesper Nøhr Andersen wrote:
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>>>> Rafael.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>>
>>
>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
>> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
>> positive.
> 
> Wes Brown was the player with most matches last season. O'Shea and Fletcher 
> are invaluable backup players. Having players like that who are United 
> through and through is very important. They are not complaining about being 
> second choice and won't cause unrest in the squad like 'outsiders' often do.
> 
> Foster, Rafael, Fabio, Possebon, Gibson, Evans and Campbell are all very 
> likely to be part of Man Utd's future.

Foster probably, but there's no evidence of what the future brings for 
the rest.

> 
> That's what I don't get about Rafa's transfer policy. He has bought tons of 
> mediocre backup players instead of promoting youth players. Benayoun, 
> Pennant, Degen, Voronin just to name a few. He has already sold at least 15 
> of his own signings and has been more or less forced to sell players because 
> they were unhappy on the bench...Garcia and Crouch comes to mind. Agger 
> being the latest example of rumours about unrest. I think it would also give 
> all the young players a motivational boost to see that it's possible to get 
> a chance in the first team.
> 
>

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>>>>> Rafael.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>>>
>>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd 
>>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes 
>>> were being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been 
>>> pretty positive.
>
> Really!!! I could have sworn some of them came from other youth setups 
> after being pinched by manu. Giggs, Beckham certainly came from different 
> youth clubs
>
> Redman
>
>

You're wrong like as you usually are neither Giggs nor Beckham had been 
signed by other clubs.

Giggs was signed on his fourteenth Birthday as was Beckham, City were 
interested in Giggs but ManU won his signature.
Beckham attended Tottenhams school of exellence but used to turn up wearing 
his ManU kit and even appeared as a ManU mascot aged 11.

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>>>> Rafael.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>>
>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
>> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
>> positive.
>
> precisely. You hadn't heard of them then. That's the point I am making. 
> Thank you.
>

The first batch of Fergie kids didn't do too bad I seem to remember them 
giving us a 3-1 whipping.   Russel Beardsmore, Lee Sharpe, Ryan Giggs, Mark 
Robins, Deniol Graham, Giuliano Maiorana and David Wilson back then you 
definitely had heard of them.

>>>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd
>>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes 
>>>> were being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been 
>>>> pretty positive.
>>
>> Really!!! I could have sworn some of them came from other youth setups 
>> after being pinched by manu. Giggs, Beckham certainly came from different 
>> youth clubs
>>
>> Redman
>>
>>
>
> You're wrong like as you usually are neither Giggs nor Beckham had been 
> signed by other clubs.
>
> Giggs was signed on his fourteenth Birthday as was Beckham, City were 
> interested in Giggs but ManU won his signature.
> Beckham attended Tottenhams school of exellence but used to turn up 
> wearing his ManU kit and even appeared as a ManU mascot aged 11.

Redman doesn't understand that virtually all players play for some local 
club before joining a professional club. Beckham did play for local team 
Brimsdown Rovers...just as Gerrard played for Whiston Juniors. It's of 
course completely irrelevant when talking about bringing players through the 
youth systems. Almost all youth players are at some point discovered at 
minor clubs or other teams youth setups. Obviously.

Google Beta User wrote on 02/10/2008 :

>
> "They're not ready" is ok for a 16-17 year old.  But by the time
> they're 19-21 "they're not ready" IMO means that they probably won't
> make it.  On an aspiring title contender I mean.  They may make it in
> the Championship maybe.  Nobody's expecting a starter or a superstar,
> but they should be able to put in productive 15 minutes against League
> One teams at home, or away in the Champions League vs. an Austrian
> team IF we've already secured qualification.  It's not throwing lambs
> to the slaughter, they'd still be a few players on the pitch.

Different players develop at different stages of their careers or 
rather at different ages.  Some are more mature at 16 than some at 21 
but all the while they are still learning the game at these ages.

-- 
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>>>>> Rafael.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>>>
>>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
>>> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
>>> positive.
>
>Really!!! I could have sworn some of them came from other youth setups after 
>being pinched by manu. Giggs, Beckham certainly came from different youth 
>clubs
>
>Redman
>
No they didn't, both were signed as schoolboys and United was their
first club.

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> Google Beta User wrote on 02/10/2008 :
>
>>
>> "They're not ready" is ok for a 16-17 year old.  But by the time
>> they're 19-21 "they're not ready" IMO means that they probably won't
>> make it.  On an aspiring title contender I mean.  They may make it in
>> the Championship maybe.  Nobody's expecting a starter or a superstar,
>> but they should be able to put in productive 15 minutes against League
>> One teams at home, or away in the Champions League vs. an Austrian
>> team IF we've already secured qualification.  It's not throwing lambs
>> to the slaughter, they'd still be a few players on the pitch.
>
> Different players develop at different stages of their careers or rather 
> at different ages.  Some are more mature at 16 than some at 21 but all the 
> while they are still learning the game at these ages.

and how will you know if they are ready if they don't get the chance to show 
it?

This season Evans was shown faith at Stamford. Possebon, Rafael, Campbell, 
Gibson. Amos, Foster have been played.

Jesper Nøhr Andersen wrote on 03/10/2008 :
> "Baldoni"  skrev i en meddelelse 
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>> Google Beta User wrote on 02/10/2008 :
>>
>>>
>>> "They're not ready" is ok for a 16-17 year old.  But by the time
>>> they're 19-21 "they're not ready" IMO means that they probably won't
>>> make it.  On an aspiring title contender I mean.  They may make it in
>>> the Championship maybe.  Nobody's expecting a starter or a superstar,
>>> but they should be able to put in productive 15 minutes against League
>>> One teams at home, or away in the Champions League vs. an Austrian
>>> team IF we've already secured qualification.  It's not throwing lambs
>>> to the slaughter, they'd still be a few players on the pitch.
>>
>> Different players develop at different stages of their careers or rather at 
>> different ages.  Some are more mature at 16 than some at 21 but all the 
>> while they are still learning the game at these ages.
>
> and how will you know if they are ready if they don't get the chance to show 
> it?
>
> This season Evans was shown faith at Stamford. Possebon, Rafael, Campbell, 
> Gibson. Amos, Foster have been played.

Look if they are good enough then they are old enough.

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>> "Baldoni"  skrev i en meddelelse 
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>>> Google Beta User wrote on 02/10/2008 :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "They're not ready" is ok for a 16-17 year old.  But by the time
>>>> they're 19-21 "they're not ready" IMO means that they probably won't
>>>> make it.  On an aspiring title contender I mean.  They may make it in
>>>> the Championship maybe.  Nobody's expecting a starter or a superstar,
>>>> but they should be able to put in productive 15 minutes against League
>>>> One teams at home, or away in the Champions League vs. an Austrian
>>>> team IF we've already secured qualification.  It's not throwing lambs
>>>> to the slaughter, they'd still be a few players on the pitch.
>>>
>>> Different players develop at different stages of their careers or rather 
>>> at different ages.  Some are more mature at 16 than some at 21 but all 
>>> the while they are still learning the game at these ages.
>>
>> and how will you know if they are ready if they don't get the chance to 
>> show it?
>>
>> This season Evans was shown faith at Stamford. Possebon, Rafael, 
>> Campbell, Gibson. Amos, Foster have been played.
>
> Look if they are good enough then they are old enough.

Agreed. But you'll never know if they are good enough if they never get the 
chance to prove it.

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>>>> Rafael.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
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>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd ?
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>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes were 
>> being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been pretty 
>> positive.
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> precisely. You hadn't heard of them then. That's the point I am making. 
> Thank you.



Your point being that Rafa will give a lot of his home grown players a 
chance over his bought in players?

Really?

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>>>>> Rafael.
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>>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
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>>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd 
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>>>
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>>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes 
>>> were being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been 
>>> pretty positive.
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> Really!!! I could have sworn some of them came from other youth setups 
> after being pinched by manu. Giggs, Beckham certainly came from different 
> youth clubs
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> Redman



Giggs was a United player at 15. Beckham at 12.

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>>>>> Rafael.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike certain other EPL managers, when SAF gives 17-20 year olds a
>>>>> look, its either with the view of bringing them up to he first team,
>>>>> or selling them for a good profit.
>>>>
>>>> what was SAF's approach to youth in year five of his tenure at Man Utd 
>>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, considering Butt, Neville, Neville, Beckham, Giggs and Scholes 
>>> were being nurtured through the academy at the time, it must have been 
>>> pretty positive.
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> Really!!! I could have sworn some of them came from other youth setups 
> after being pinched by manu. Giggs, Beckham certainly came from different 
> youth clubs
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> Redman



Apologies Redman.

I may have misled you when I said Giggs joined United at 15.

He was actually 14.

Still, you made a cracking point.

HTH