On May 15, 8:52 pm, guig  wrote:
> On 2008-05-15 10:41:54 퍝, Jellore  said:
>
> > On May 15, 5:02 pm, guig  wrote:
> >> On 2008-05-15 00:14:17 퍝, Boz  said:
>
> >>> Manchester did fail UEFA by caving in and allowing the hordes of
> >>> unwashed scum with a well proven track record of violence as long as
> >>> the M6 motorway, desecrate their city
>
> >> The proven track record of violence belongs totally to the English
> >> football fan I think you'll find ...
>
> > Totally ? Don't be so silly man. English "fans" are without doubt the
> > biggest perps however they are hardly the only ones. Take the blinkers
> > off. Rangers fans last night were well out of line.
>
> I've already condemned the morons involved in the trouble, you'd be
> hard pressed to find anyone defending their actions.
>
> And whilst there are other countries who have trouble with hooliganism,
> Holland and Italy to name but two, the English do seem to cause trouble
> pretty much everywhere they go which is something that generally can't
> be levelled at the Scots fans. But the English meeja, especially the
> EBC, have been itching for something like this to happen for ages. The
> EBC this morning made it sound like there were 200,000 people fighting
> rather than under 200. A conservative estimate of 100,000 being there
> gives less than 0.2% involved and 0.04% arrested. Probably less than
> get into fights in Manchester over a normal weekend.

Agreed.