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European law and English cricket
EU ruling could spell end to Kolpaks
Cricinfo staff
July 22, 2008
The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a 
drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new 
interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge 
influx of players from South Africa and the Caribbean. Under the rules 
of the Cotonou Treaty, free trade exists between the European Community 
and many African, Pacific and Caribbean countries, and in 2004, the 
Czech handball player, Maros Kolpak, won a ruling from the European 
Court of Justice which allowed him to play professionally in Germany 
without be classed as a foreigner. That set a precedent that has had a 
major impact on English cricket, with players such as Jacques Rudolph, 
Martin van Jaarsveld and Omari Banks choosing to ply their trade in 
England rather than seek international honours for South Africa or West 
Indies. A similar situation exists in French rugby union, which has up 
to 150 South Africans on its books, and as a result, a campaign was 
launched by the Central Council of Physical Recreation. It has resulted 
in the EU, under French presidency, ruling that the Cotonou Treaty was 
designed for the free trade of goods and services and should not be 
regarded as free movement of labour. It promises to be a significant 
development in the ECB's battle to reduce the number of Kolpak players 
in county cricket, and a spokesman said: "The ECB have noted the recent 
developments and are looking at the possible implications of that." One 
possible upshot would be for existing Kolpak players to be permitted to 
complete their existing contracts, but for future signings to be 
regarded as overseas players.
© Cricinfo


-- 
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 at 19:30:25, Robert Henderson 
 wrote in uk.sport.cricket :

>Cricifo
>
>European law and English cricket
>EU ruling could spell end to Kolpaks
>Cricinfo staff
>July 22, 2008
>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a 
>drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new 
>interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge 
>influx of players from South Africa and the Caribbean. Under the rules 
>of the Cotonou Treaty, free trade exists between the European Community 
>and many African, Pacific and Caribbean countries, and in 2004, the 
>Czech handball player, Maros Kolpak, won a ruling from the European 
>Court of Justice which allowed him to play professionally in Germany 
>without be classed as a foreigner. That set a precedent that has had a 
>major impact on English cricket, with players such as Jacques Rudolph, 
>Martin van Jaarsveld and Omari Banks choosing to ply their trade in 
>England rather than seek international honours for South Africa or West 
>Indies. A similar situation exists in French rugby union, which has up 
>to 150 South Africans on its books, and as a result, a campaign was 
>launched by the Central Council of Physical Recreation. It has resulted 
>in the EU, under French presidency, ruling that the Cotonou Treaty was 
>designed for the free trade of goods and services and should not be 
>regarded as free movement of labour. It promises to be a significant 
>development in the ECB's battle to reduce the number of Kolpak players 
>in county cricket, and a spokesman said: "The ECB have noted the recent 
>developments and are looking at the possible implications of that." One 
>possible upshot would be for existing Kolpak players to be permitted to 
>complete their existing contracts, but for future signings to be 
>regarded as overseas players.

I bet you broke out the champagne, Robert? :)

Also :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/counties/article4378345.ece
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

In message <MM6q5fIY+riIFw6N@blueyonder.co.uk>, Paul Hyett 
<pah@invalid.invalid> writes
>>Cricifo
>>
>>European law and English cricket
>>EU ruling could spell end to Kolpaks
>>Cricinfo staff
>>July 22, 2008
>>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a 
>>drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new 
>>interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge 
>>influx of players from South Africa and the Caribbean. Under the rules 
>>of the Cotonou Treaty, free trade exists between the European 
>>Community and many African, Pacific and Caribbean countries, and in 
>>2004, the Czech handball player, Maros Kolpak, won a ruling from the 
>>European Court of Justice which allowed him to play professionally in 
>>Germany without be classed as a foreigner. That set a precedent that 
>>has had a major impact on English cricket, with players such as 
>>Jacques Rudolph, Martin van Jaarsveld and Omari Banks choosing to ply 
>>their trade in England rather than seek international honours for 
>>South Africa or West Indies. A similar situation exists in French 
>>rugby union, which has up to 150 South Africans on its books, and as a 
>>result, a campaign was launched by the Central Council of Physical 
>>Recreation. It has resulted in the EU, under French presidency, ruling 
>>that the Cotonou Treaty was designed for the free trade of goods and 
>>services and should not be regarded as free movement of labour. It 
>>promises to be a significant development in the ECB's battle to reduce 
>>the number of Kolpak players in county cricket, and a spokesman said: 
>>"The ECB have noted the recent developments and are looking at the 
>>possible implications of that." One possible upshot would be for 
>>existing Kolpak players to be permitted to complete their existing 
>>contracts, but for future signings to be regarded as overseas players.
>
>I bet you broke out the champagne, Robert? :)
>
>Also :


There are two problems: the first the outstanding contracts which you 
can bet are long because the counties in their curish way will have been 
stockpiling Kolpaks because they knew this ruling was likely and the 
second which is the control of the ECB by the counties. RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:30:25 +0100, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>Cricifo
>
>
>
>
>
>European law and English cricket
>EU ruling could spell end to Kolpaks
>Cricinfo staff
>July 22, 2008
>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a 
>drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new 
>interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge 
>influx of players from South Africa and the Caribbean. Under the rules 
>of the Cotonou Treaty, free trade exists between the European Community 
>and many African, Pacific and Caribbean countries, and in 2004, the 
>Czech handball player, Maros Kolpak, won a ruling from the European 
>Court of Justice which allowed him to play professionally in Germany 
>without be classed as a foreigner. That set a precedent that has had a 
>major impact on English cricket, with players such as Jacques Rudolph, 
>Martin van Jaarsveld and Omari Banks choosing to ply their trade in 
>England rather than seek international honours for South Africa or West 
>Indies. A similar situation exists in French rugby union, which has up 
>to 150 South Africans on its books, and as a result, a campaign was 
>launched by the Central Council of Physical Recreation. It has resulted 
>in the EU, under French presidency, ruling that the Cotonou Treaty was 
>designed for the free trade of goods and services and should not be 
>regarded as free movement of labour. It promises to be a significant 
>development in the ECB's battle to reduce the number of Kolpak players 
>in county cricket, and a spokesman said: "The ECB have noted the recent 
>developments and are looking at the possible implications of that." One 
>possible upshot would be for existing Kolpak players to be permitted to 
>complete their existing contracts, but for future signings to be 
>regarded as overseas players.
>© Cricinfo

Good news.
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:25:29 +0100, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>In message <MM6q5fIY+riIFw6N@blueyonder.co.uk>, Paul Hyett 
><pah@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>Cricifo
>>>
>>>European law and English cricket
>>>EU ruling could spell end to Kolpaks
>>>Cricinfo staff
>>>July 22, 2008
>>>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a 
>>>drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new 
>>>interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge 
>>>influx of players from South Africa and the Caribbean. Under the rules 
>>>of the Cotonou Treaty, free trade exists between the European 
>>>Community and many African, Pacific and Caribbean countries, and in 
>>>2004, the Czech handball player, Maros Kolpak, won a ruling from the 
>>>European Court of Justice which allowed him to play professionally in 
>>>Germany without be classed as a foreigner. That set a precedent that 
>>>has had a major impact on English cricket, with players such as 
>>>Jacques Rudolph, Martin van Jaarsveld and Omari Banks choosing to ply 
>>>their trade in England rather than seek international honours for 
>>>South Africa or West Indies. A similar situation exists in French 
>>>rugby union, which has up to 150 South Africans on its books, and as a 
>>>result, a campaign was launched by the Central Council of Physical 
>>>Recreation. It has resulted in the EU, under French presidency, ruling 
>>>that the Cotonou Treaty was designed for the free trade of goods and 
>>>services and should not be regarded as free movement of labour. It 
>>>promises to be a significant development in the ECB's battle to reduce 
>>>the number of Kolpak players in county cricket, and a spokesman said: 
>>>"The ECB have noted the recent developments and are looking at the 
>>>possible implications of that." One possible upshot would be for 
>>>existing Kolpak players to be permitted to complete their existing 
>>>contracts, but for future signings to be regarded as overseas players.
>>
>>I bet you broke out the champagne, Robert? :)
>>
>>Also :
>
>
>There are two problems: the first the outstanding contracts which you 
>can bet are long because the counties in their curish way will have been 
>stockpiling Kolpaks because they knew this ruling was likely and the 
>second which is the control of the ECB by the counties. RH

Then change ECB structure, after all the ECB are not backward at
meddling in the affairs of coaching and umpiring and scoring.

I get dozens of pre season letters from prospective players from all
parts of the world. I'm sure other club secs get the same. I always
send a polite reply inviting the player to join the club, pay his subs
and take his chance at selection like everyone else. That usually gets
rid of them.

max.it

>-- 
>Robert Henderson
>Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
>Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:30:25 +0100, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a 
>drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new 
>interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge 


Great news eh Robert? We'll now be able to exclude all those bastard
white saffers and replace them with even more "british" pakis (a third
of whom, according to today's S Times, approve of bombing the hell
out of your shit-ridden country). An all-wog team gets ever-nearer.

You *do* realise that this ruling had NOTHING to do with english 
cricket and everything to do with french Rugby, don't you Robert?
No, I didn't think you did!

The french don't give a toss for the english but are mighty protective
when *their* sport is threatened, hence the "new interpretation".

Vive la france, eh Robert!

PS It looks like "thinking" was one of your strong subjects at school!

"Robert Henderson"  wrote in message 
news:XzXSJUL5$0iIFwrh@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In message <MM6q5fIY+riIFw6N@blueyonder.co.uk>, Paul Hyett 
> <pah@invalid.invalid> writes
>>>Cricifo
>>>
>>>European law and English cricket
>>>EU ruling could spell end to Kolpaks
>>>Cricinfo staff
>>>July 22, 2008
>>>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a drastic 
>>>reduction after the European Union decided on a new interpretation of the 
>>>employment law that has brought about a huge influx of players from South 
>>>Africa and the Caribbean. Under the rules of the Cotonou Treaty, free 
>>>trade exists between the European Community and many African, Pacific and 
>>>Caribbean countries, and in 2004, the Czech handball player, Maros 
>>>Kolpak, won a ruling from the European Court of Justice which allowed him 
>>>to play professionally in Germany without be classed as a foreigner. That 
>>>set a precedent that has had a major impact on English cricket, with 
>>>players such as Jacques Rudolph, Martin van Jaarsveld and Omari Banks 
>>>choosing to ply their trade in England rather than seek international 
>>>honours for South Africa or West Indies. A similar situation exists in 
>>>French rugby union, which has up to 150 South Africans on its books, and 
>>>as a result, a campaign was launched by the Central Council of Physical 
>>>Recreation. It has resulted in the EU, under French presidency, ruling 
>>>that the Cotonou Treaty was designed for the free trade of goods and 
>>>services and should not be regarded as free movement of labour. It 
>>>promises to be a significant development in the ECB's battle to reduce 
>>>the number of Kolpak players in county cricket, and a spokesman said: 
>>>"The ECB have noted the recent developments and are looking at the 
>>>possible implications of that." One possible upshot would be for existing 
>>>Kolpak players to be permitted to complete their existing contracts, but 
>>>for future signings to be regarded as overseas players.
>>
>>I bet you broke out the champagne, Robert? :)
>>
>>Also :
>
>
> There are two problems: the first the outstanding contracts which you can 
> bet are long because the counties in their curish way will have been 
> stockpiling Kolpaks because they knew this ruling was likely and the 
> second which is the control of the ECB by the counties. RH

I doubt that the latter will be a problem. The counties did, after all, 
agree to reduce the number of official overseas players to one from this 
season (although I would not be surprised if that gets reversed if and when 
the Kolpaks are no longer allowed). As they were able to agree that in 
August 2006 without causing contract problems, I would think it may be 
possible to exclude Kolpaks from 2010 if they get a move on. I doubt that 
there are many who are currently contracted beyond next season.
-- 
David North

"Marco"  wrote in message 
news:v5bo8412kjul03g2c4qogriabcu2lqa7r4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:30:25 +0100, Robert Henderson
>  wrote:
>
>>The number of Kolpak players in county cricket could be set for a
>>drastic reduction after the European Union decided on a new
>>interpretation of the employment law that has brought about a huge
>
>
> Great news eh Robert? We'll now be able to exclude all those bastard
> white saffers and replace them with even more "british" pakis (a third
> of whom, according to today's S Times, approve of bombing the hell
> out of your shit-ridden country).

That's a bit of a leap from what it actually says, which is that "a third of 
Muslim university students believe killing in the name of religion can be 
justified".

It says nothing about bombing Britain, or anywhere else, specifically. Apart 
from that, not all Muslim students are British, not all Pakistanis are 
Muslims and the views of students don't necessarily reflect those of the 
general population.
-- 
David North

In message , David North 
 writes
>>
>>
>> There are two problems: the first the outstanding contracts which you can
>> bet are long because the counties in their curish way will have been
>> stockpiling Kolpaks because they knew this ruling was likely and the
>> second which is the control of the ECB by the counties. RH
>
>I doubt that the latter will be a problem. The counties did, after all, 
>agree to reduce the number of official overseas players to one from 
>this season (although I would not be surprised if that gets reversed if 
>and when the Kolpaks are no longer allowed). As they were able to agree 
>that in August 2006 without causing contract problems, I would think it 
>may be possible to exclude Kolpaks from 2010 if they get a move on. I 
>doubt that there are many who are currently contracted beyond next season.
>--

Well, I hope you are right but don't bet on it. RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message , David North 
 writes
>>
>> Great news eh Robert? We'll now be able to exclude all those bastard
>> white saffers and replace them with even more "british" pakis (a third
>> of whom, according to today's S Times, approve of bombing the hell
>> out of your shit-ridden country).
>
>That's a bit of a leap from what it actually says, which is that "a 
>third of Muslim university students believe killing in the name of 
>religion can be justified".
>
>It says nothing about bombing Britain, or anywhere else, specifically.

No need to its is a general sanction. RHJ

>Apart from that, not all Muslim students are British, not all 
>Pakistanis are Muslims and the views of students don't necessarily 
>reflect those of the general population.
>--

The students are meant to be the educated more westernised part of the 
Muslim population, ie, less susceptible to extremism. The logic of that 
is that  British Muslims at large will have a much higher percentage who 
believe in violence. RH
RH

-- 
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 at 15:14:22, Robert Henderson 
 wrote in uk.sport.cricket :
>
>>Apart from that, not all Muslim students are British, not all 
>>Pakistanis are Muslims and the views of students don't necessarily 
>>reflect those of the general population.
>
>The students are meant to be the educated more westernised part of the 
>Muslim population, ie, less susceptible to extremism. The logic of that 
>is that  British Muslims at large will have a much higher percentage 
>who believe in violence. RH

Except that the younger generation tend to be more radical than their 
elders.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:45:25 GMT, Paul Hyett <pah@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 at 15:14:22, Robert Henderson 
> wrote in uk.sport.cricket :
>>
>>>Apart from that, not all Muslim students are British, not all 
>>>Pakistanis are Muslims and the views of students don't necessarily 
>>>reflect those of the general population.
>>
>>The students are meant to be the educated more westernised part of the 
>>Muslim population, ie, less susceptible to extremism. The logic of that 
>>is that  British Muslims at large will have a much higher percentage 
>>who believe in violence. RH
>
>Except that the younger generation tend to be more radical than their 
>elders.
>-- 
>Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Yup, just like rock n roll. 


max.it

In message <1pt0A+dAfLjIFwXr@blueyonder.co.uk>, Paul Hyett 
<pah@invalid.invalid> writes
>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 at 15:14:22, Robert Henderson 
> wrote in uk.sport.cricket :
>>
>>>Apart from that, not all Muslim students are British, not all 
>>>Pakistanis are Muslims and the views of students don't necessarily 
>>>reflect those of the general population.
>>
>>The students are meant to be the educated more westernised part of the 
>>Muslim population, ie, less susceptible to extremism. The logic of 
>>that is that  British Muslims at large will have a much higher 
>>percentage who believe in violence. RH
>
>Except that the younger generation tend to be more radical than their 
>elders.


As it is the young who commit terrorist acts in the main that is a 
matter of no consequence, assuming of course that the claim of young = 
radical holds true. RH

-- 
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk