On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>[...]
>> Your gratuitously rude language
>
>I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.

If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
learn about diplomacy.

Cheers,

Mike
--

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>> learn about diplomacy.
>
>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.

If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
with anything other than offence intended. And there is no need for
pentasyllabic locutions. "Gay" is a monosyllable.

Cheers,

Mike

--

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:11:25 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
> 
>>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>>> >[...]
>>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>>> learn about diplomacy.
>>
>>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.
> 
> If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
> have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
> with anything other than offence intended. 

Disagree there Mikey. "Shirt-lifter" in Oz is used in exactly the same
fashion as "Paki". As a simple statement of fact.

And on polywantssomesyllables... some alternatives.
mattress muncher
freckle puncher
turd burgler
vegemite driller
pillow biter
arse bandit
sausage jockey
uphill gardener
ginger beer



alvey
In Briz, and Not That There's anything Wrong With That.

"alvey"  wrote in message 
news:1dc7enwam6g3k.yuepzl9f63er$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:11:25 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>
>>>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>>>> >[...]
>>>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>>>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>>>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>>>> learn about diplomacy.
>>>
>>>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>>>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>>>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>>>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>>>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.
>>
>> If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
>> have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
>> with anything other than offence intended.
>
> Disagree there Mikey. "Shirt-lifter" in Oz is used in exactly the same
> fashion as "Paki". As a simple statement of fact.
>
> And on polywantssomesyllables... some alternatives.
> mattress muncher
> freckle puncher
> turd burgler
> vegemite driller
> pillow biter
> arse bandit
> sausage jockey
> uphill gardener
> ginger beer
>
>
>
> alvey
> In Briz, and Not That There's anything Wrong With That.
>
>

Alvey- have you been called all of those?

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:41:32 GMT, Cicero wrote:


>>
> 
> Alvey- have you been called all of those?

Certainly not    in the same sentence.

"alvey"  wrote in message 
news:19zh4o5sbsiuu$.5lc9giy6y3cj.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:41:32 GMT, Cicero wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>
>> Alvey- have you been called all of those?
>
> Certainly not    in the same sentence.

Don't bet on it.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:30:22 +1000, alvey
 tapped the keyboard and brought
forth:

>On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:11:25 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>> 
>>>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>>>> >[...]
>>>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>>>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>>>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>>>> learn about diplomacy.
>>>
>>>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>>>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>>>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>>>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>>>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.
>> 
>> If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
>> have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
>> with anything other than offence intended. 
>
>Disagree there Mikey. "Shirt-lifter" in Oz is used in exactly the same
>fashion as "Paki". As a simple statement of fact.

Yes, it's true that Australians are proud of their bigotry and
consider it a badge of honour to demean anyone who isn't male, white
and aggressively heterosexual because they aren't fair dinkum Aussie
shits.

Cheers,

Mike
--

"Mike Holmans"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:30:22 +1000, alvey
>  tapped the keyboard and brought
> forth:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:11:25 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>>
>>>>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>>>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>>>>> >[...]
>>>>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>>>>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>>>>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>>>>> learn about diplomacy.
>>>>
>>>>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>>>>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>>>>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>>>>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>>>>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.
>>>
>>> If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
>>> have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
>>> with anything other than offence intended.
>>
>>Disagree there Mikey. "Shirt-lifter" in Oz is used in exactly the same
>>fashion as "Paki". As a simple statement of fact.
>
> Yes, it's true that Australians are proud of their bigotry and
> consider it a badge of honour to demean anyone who isn't male, white
> and aggressively heterosexual because they aren't fair dinkum Aussie
> shits.
>

Wow- that is one huge leap of logic. For a start, how are Australians 
bigoted, and if so, why do you say that Australians (not most or some) are 
proud of this? This would of course include Australians of ethnic and 
aboriginal descent. Or are you talking out of your arse?

wrote in message 
news:1d92ce13-de35-46f2-9254-37f3079e4fe0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>> learn about diplomacy.
>
> It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
> whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
> neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
> opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
> connotations that would render its user less than tactful.

Would you use it to describe someone you had just met, to his face, and be 
confident of not causing offence?
-- 
David North

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:18:13 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:30:22 +1000, alvey
>  tapped the keyboard and brought
> forth:
> 
>>On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:11:25 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.ulyate@gmail.com
>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>> 
>>>>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>>>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>>>>> >[...]
>>>>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>>>>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>>>>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>>>>> learn about diplomacy.
>>>>
>>>>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>>>>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>>>>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>>>>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>>>>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.
>>> 
>>> If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
>>> have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
>>> with anything other than offence intended. 
>>
>>Disagree there Mikey. "Shirt-lifter" in Oz is used in exactly the same
>>fashion as "Paki". As a simple statement of fact.
> 
> Yes, it's true that Australians are proud of their bigotry and
> consider it a badge of honour to demean anyone who isn't male, white
> and aggressively heterosexual because they aren't fair dinkum Aussie
> shits.
> 

Seeing as it's Happy Hour at the Generalisation Bar & Grill....One of the
reasons why poms are globally disliked is because they regard themselves as
the world's Moral Police and will take any opportunity to lecture anyone
who disagrees with one of the braying jackasses. 

Thanks for the example.


cheers


alvey

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:24:04 GMT, Cicero wrote:

snip
>>
>> Yes, it's true that Australians are proud of their bigotry and
>> consider it a badge of honour to demean anyone who isn't male, white
>> and aggressively heterosexual because they aren't fair dinkum Aussie
>> shits.
>>
> 
> Wow- that is one huge leap of logic.

Nahh. It was only a small leap. Well, stumble actually. And the red flag's
up anyway. Foul.




alvey

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:44:04 -0700 (PDT), Fred wrote:

> On 15 Jun, 06:30, alvey  wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:11:25 +0100, Mike Holmans wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>
>>>>On Jun 12, 2:51 pm, Mike Holmans  decided:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:29:08 -0700 (PDT), rodney.uly...@gmail.com
>>>>> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
>>>>> >On Jun 12, 12:28 pm, Mike Holmans  wrote:
>>>>> >[...]
>>>>> >> Your gratuitously rude language
>>>>> >I fail to see where I was anything other than tactful.
>>>>> If you consider "shirtlifter" to be tactful, then you have a lot to
>>>>> learn about diplomacy.
>>
>>>>It has not strained relations with any of my homosexual chums, most of
>>>>whom are quite happy to greet one another with that word.  I employ it
>>>>neither to offend nor to denigrate: it is informal rather than
>>>>opprobrious, more "homo" than "queer", and wholly without the sinister
>>>>connotations that would render its user less than tactful.
>>
>>> If that's true in South Africa, it's not true in most other places. I
>>> have never heard or seen the term used in the UK, the US or Australia
>>> with anything other than offence intended.
>>
>> Disagree there Mikey. "Shirt-lifter" in Oz is used in exactly the same
>> fashion as "Paki". As a simple statement of fact.
>>
>> And on polywantssomesyllables... some alternatives.
>> mattress muncher
>> freckle puncher
>> turd burgler
>> vegemite driller
>> pillow biter
>> arse bandit
>> sausage jockey
>> uphill gardener
>> ginger beer
>>
>> alvey
>> In Briz, and Not That There's anything Wrong With That.
> 
> I'd assume that anyone using those sorts of words was being offensive.

I think that says more about you than anything else Fred.
> 
> To be honest, there's something about them that sounds embarrassed &
> immature - it's the coy way that the user hides behind supposed jokes
> to refer to homosexuality as if they can't quite bring themselves to
> take sexuality seriously; 

Crikey! You're not Fred of the Nile are you?
Gawd Fred. "take sexuality seriously...". Global warming, disease, starving
millions & crazed zealots. These are things to be taken seriously. What
sort of goolies one chooses to fondle with ain't. To paraphrase Rex Mossop;
Just as long as people don't shove their sex down my throat I don't care
what they get up to in the privacy of their own stables.




alvey

"I will agree with Alvey on this one.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:20:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred wrote:

snip
> 
> Attitudes are inscribed in laguage.

Errr what's the alternative? Body language?




alvey

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:31:24 +0100, David North wrote:

snip
> 
> Would you use it to describe someone you had just met, to his face, and be 
> confident of not causing offence?

Play it safe Roddles. Introduce yourself as Rodney the Rectal Ram Raider
and take it from there.




alvey