On May 27, 6:52 pm, "StraightDrive" 
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> "arahim"  wrote in message
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> On May 27, 6:18 pm, "StraightDrive" 
> wrote:
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> > "arahim"  wrote in message
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> >news:d99d270c-f781-4793-bc25-0c18adc62c37@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
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> > > "Pakistan management should tell the players not to talk religion in
> > > sports"
> > > Kunal
>
> > Kunal is an intellectually challenged idiot, dont ya know arahim ?
>
> >>>The problem as you know here was not limited to Kunal.
>
> I know.
>
> There are no intellectuals on this newsgroup in the first place.
>

What does any of this have to do with intellectuals. A word that I
have found strange.

> Lots of posters including you "delude" themselves they are. LOL
>

Now now don't ruin my babe-magnet self image. That's what I usually
delude myself to be:)

>
>
>
>
> > > "He must have been told by Pakistani authority to make this kinda
> > > stupid, and a real inflammatory statement. "
> > > LKM
>
> > > "While I believe its okay to thank God while accepting a prize, it
> > > should not become a situation about talking about individual
> > > religions. Like I thank all Hindus, or I thank all Christians or I
> > > thank all muslims, buddhists etc. "
> > > outsourcingbusiness
>
> > > "He better, india has the second highest population of muslims in the
> > > world.
> > > I was thinking WTF? Is that what it is? muslims vs infidels? "
> > > JackofallTrades
>
> > > "Inzi had also once thanked muslims all over
> > > the world for their support or something like that. I wish Shastri
> > > had
> > > reminded Malik that there are more muslims in India than in Pakistan
> > > and
> > > not all of them would be supporting Pakistan. "
> > > Mohan
>
> > > "I also felt that Shastri should have said something like that. He
> > > may
> > > have been surprised to hear that too and chose to ignore that to
> > > avoid
> > > any controversy. "
> > > Mastercheif/Shikari Shambhu
>
> > > "Why couldn't he just say Pakistanis? What does religion have to do
> > > with his win or loss? He is representing a country - Pakistan. The
> > > team he captained is not "Muslims" or "Islam". If Danish Kaneria had
> > > captained the team and said "Thanks to all the Hindus in the world",
> > > would your reaction have been the same? "
> > > RishiX
>
> > > "ok, let me tell you what he was alluding to. I don't know if you are
> > > aware, but this issue of Indian Muslims supporting Pakistan is a
> > > sensitive issue. There is history behind it. And frankly, there are
> > > some
> > > who do support Pakistan. Probably a minority, but let's face it, they
> > > exist. "
> > > Mohan
>
> > > "Now the truth is starting to emerge and I will commend you Mohan for
> > > it. People have been throwing all this crap about hurting the
> > > sensitivities of Indian muslims when it is their own sensitivities "
> > > arahim
>
> > > "We know that Shoaib is just a country boy who was given a script to
> > > read by the powers-to-be. This has been happening for decades; we are
> > > all used to it and none of us are surprised by it. And yet, that
> > > does
> > > not mean that we will not point it out each time it happens. "
> > > Sanjiv Karmarkar
>
> > > "Why The script for Afridi was different? "
> > > arahim
>
> > > "It is a world where Muslims, Hindus and a Sikh currently play for
> > > England, where Buddhists, Muslims, Christians and a Hindu play for Sri> > > Lanka, where Hashim Amla turns out for South Africa, where a Patel
> > > plays for New Zealand, where Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and Hindus
> > > play (and have always played) for India. Why would Shoaib think, then,> > > that the Muslims of the world were collectively rooting for the
> > > Pakistan team or that they felt let down by its defeat? Did he stop to> > > think of how Danish Kaneria, his Hindu team-mate, might feel hearing
> > > his Test skipper all but declare that the Pakistan team is a Muslim
> > > team that plays for the Muslims of the world?" Kesavan
>
> > >http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/other/content/current/story/352132.html> > > So how do Songavkar's countrymates and teammates feel? Should not be a> > > problem in my opinion. Its's just independence celebrations where they> > > are coming up with Israel supporting and jewish players from all over
> > > the world. Goes to show how overboard the whole Shoaib/Pakistan
> > > paranoia went overboard about Shoaib thanking all muslims. Bonus
> > > question: Who should the Indian jews root for in this match?
>
> > Your analogy between Shoaib and Songavkar is completely idiotic.
>
> >>>There is no analogy between Songavkar and Shoaib (neither of whom did
> >>>anything wrong) to begin with.
>
> Analogy between the "two issues" of Shoaib and Songavkar you are
> comparing, I meant.
>

No infact what I am saying is they are different. The OP contains the
kernel of one of the differences: The sensitivities (over) of these
posters. Let me restate:

"ok, let me tell you what he was alluding to. I don't know if you are
aware, but this issue of Indian Muslims supporting Pakistan is a
sensitive issue. There is history behind it. And frankly, there are
some
who do support Pakistan. Probably a minority, but let's face it, they
exist. "
Mohan


"Now the truth is starting to emerge and I will commend you Mohan for
it. People have been throwing all this crap about hurting the
sensitivities of Indian muslims when it is their own sensitivities "
arahim

It should not be Shoaib's problem if people see skeletons where there
are none. Oversensitization of these posters is their problem.

> >>>At least I am not presenting one.
>
> You did.
>

See above.

> Why should there be any outrage about Songavkar which is the
> title of the topic you started ?
>

Because these posters came up with some high fallutin reasons behind
the Shoaib saga which in principle should apply here as well. What I
am infact saying is that this was just a mask for the real reasons
which Mohan points out.

> >>It is
> >>>about the kinds of statements that certain posters (and columnists)
> >>>made in the Shoaib situation
>
> The outrage in Shoaibs issue is perfectly justified. He was representing
> Pakistan and NOT just muslims in Pakistan.
>
> >which  then should lead them to make
> >>>>similar statements in this situation.
>
> Why ?
>

I have answered this above but will illustrate in a seperate post with
examples to clarify:)

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