Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack

thanks for the memories Michael

On 25 June, 15:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael

This could be very positive in career terms for Michael as it was for
Elvis and Buddy.

On Jun 25, 11:55 pm, Mike  wrote:
> On 25 June, 15:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
>
> > Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>
> > thanks for the memories Michael
>
> This could be very positive in career terms for Michael as it was for
> Elvis and Buddy.

And Jim Reeves.

the rifleman wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> attack
> thanks for the memories Michael

Good riddance.

the rifleman wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
> 
> thanks for the memories Michael 
> 
> 
He slipped off the chair while the mop handle was up his ass.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker" 
wrote:

>the rifleman wrote:
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
>> attack
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
>Good riddance. 

Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so
were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I
watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
better looking as a black man.
Sue - not in mourning

>

Sue wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker" 
> wrote:
>
>> the rifleman wrote:
>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
>>> heart attack
>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>
>> Good riddance.
>
> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
> who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so
> were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
> Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I
> watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
> better looking as a black man.
> Sue - not in mourning

It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him 
well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade Goody 
I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died recently 
who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek, Steve Irwin 
killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the wonderful American 
comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was years ago. But Michael 
"ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time for and no tears for. What I 
did always know though was that anyone who paid to see his supposed concerts 
in the near future was doomed to disappointment. Whether his nerves got the 
better of him or as it happens his heart it was pretty damn clear it was 
always going to be a bust. Fools and their money I suppose.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:59:00 +0100, Dave Baker wrote:

> Sue wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker"  wrote:
>>
>>> the rifleman wrote:
>>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
>>>> attack
>>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>>
>>> Good riddance.
>>
>> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one who
>> really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so were
>> Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov
>> and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I watch all these
>> "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much better looking as
>> a black man.
>> Sue - not in mourning
> 
> It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him
> well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade
> Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died
> recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek,
> Steve Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the
> wonderful American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was
> years ago. But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time
> for and no tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who
> paid to see his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to
> disappointment. Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it
> happens his heart it was pretty damn clear it was always going to be a
> bust. Fools and their money I suppose.

I regret that Michael Jackson, and Farrah Faucett, died at this moment 
because it distracts from the hypocrisy of Mark Sanford and Sarah Palin.

-- 
Regards, Curly
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                               Arrest Bush
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On Jun 25, 10:07 pm, Curly Surmudgeon 
wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:59:00 퍝, Dave Baker wrote:
> > Sue wrote:
> >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 퍝, "Dave Baker"  wrote> >>> the rifleman wrote:
> >>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> >>>> attack
> >>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
> >>> Good riddance.
>
> >> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one who
> >> really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so were
> >> Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov
> >> and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I watch all these
> >> "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much better looking as
> >> a black man.
> >> Sue - not in mourning
>
> > It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him
> > well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade
> > Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died
> > recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek,
> > Steve Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the
> > wonderful American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was
> > years ago. But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time
> > for and no tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who
> > paid to see his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to
> > disappointment. Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it
> > happens his heart it was pretty damn clear it was always going to be a
> > bust. Fools and their money I suppose.
>
> I regret that Michael Jackson, and Farrah Faucett, died at this moment
> because it distracts from the hypocrisy of Mark Sanford and Sarah Palin.

So why do you add to the useless chatter?

> --
> Regards, Curly
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>                                Arrest Bush
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>
> - Show quoted text -

On 26 June, 01:20, "Dave Baker"  wrote:
> the rifleman wrote:
> > Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> > attack
> > thanks for the memories Michael
>
> Good riddance.

Your words say more about you than Michael Jackson. As abuse survivors
go, he contributed more to the worlds of culture and race relations
than most. His talents were off the scale; he was a genius.  His
cutting away of his own body was a symptom of the psychological damage
he experienced.  As such damaged people go, the alleged transgressions
were predictable but low key for a person who couldn't grow up.

We know little of the private worlds of Shakespeare or Beethoven etc.
because The News Of The World wasn't around then, but I feel sure that
many of the people who enjoy our historical unmitigated respect, would
have their reputations tarnished if we knew about the consequences of
their damage - or for that matter, if we knew the real Dave Baker!

None of us can afford to be too proud, one way or another, we have all
hurt someone along the way, often without realising we had done so.

Turk182

"the rifleman"  wrote in message
news:xY-dnbfteMZ2bt7XnZ2dnUVZ8oidnZ2d@bt.com...
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael

Indeed,  this is quite good political, parliamentary, legal and survival 
matter...

the rifleman wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> attack
> thanks for the memories Michael

Yes, indeed. He will be missed by most music fans. He was a genieus in his 
own right both as a singer and dancer. His music and performances were not 
everyone's cup of tea, but there can be no denying his excellence.

-- 
Harry Merrick.

Turk182 wrote, and I quote:

>On 26 June, 01:20, "Dave Baker"  wrote:

>> Good riddance.
>
>Your words say more about you than Michael Jackson. As abuse survivors
>go, he contributed more to the worlds of culture and race relations
>than most. His talents were off the scale; he was a genius.  His
>cutting away of his own body was a symptom of the psychological damage
>he experienced.  As such damaged people go, the alleged transgressions
>were predictable but low key for a person who couldn't grow up.
>
>We know little of the private worlds of Shakespeare or Beethoven etc.
>because The News Of The World wasn't around then, but I feel sure that
>many of the people who enjoy our historical unmitigated respect, would
>have their reputations tarnished if we knew about the consequences of
>their damage - or for that matter, if we knew the real Dave Baker!
>
>None of us can afford to be too proud, one way or another, we have all
>hurt someone along the way, often without realising we had done so.
>
>Turk182

Hear hear!!  Absolutely spot on!

"Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
news:h21a1p$6pc$1@news.datemas.de...
> Sue wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the rifleman wrote:
>>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
>>>> heart attack
>>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>>
>>> Good riddance.
>>
>> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
>> who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so
>> were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
>> Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I
>> watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
>> better looking as a black man.
>> Sue - not in mourning
>
> It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him 
> well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade 
> Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died 
> recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek, Steve 
> Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the wonderful 
> American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was years ago. 
> But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time for and no 
> tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who paid to see 
> his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to disappointment. 
> Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it happens his heart it was 
> pretty damn clear it was always going to be a bust. Fools and their money 
> I suppose.

Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world without him. 
Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great number of people 
are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has never been compulsory.

Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality, he was a first 
rate entertainer. But his achievements were all in the past and it was never 
likely, was it, that he would have much more to offer.  So it's no great 
loss for mankind but all very sad for those who were closest to him and for 
the rest of us, it's a public wallowing in emotion because that's the 
fashion when any celebrity dies. Especially when there's that guilt thing, 
about having built him up as a great celebrity then having denigrated him 
for his personal failings. It's the press that does that, not us, so the 
press can luxuriate in guilt and in insincere tributes, and his loyal fans 
can see him as a martyr figure, elevated at last into a form of sainthood.

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:947245f5-9b97-4f81-bc25-20553c805e22@r25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On 25 June, 15:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart 
>> attack
>>
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
> This could be very positive in career terms for Michael as it was for
> Elvis and Buddy.

And Bill Hicks, a great comedian, who certainly was cut off in his prime 
when he could have had much more to give the world.

"The Todal"  wrote in message
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>
> "Mike"  wrote in message
> news:947245f5-9b97-4f81-bc25-20553c805e22@r25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> > On 25 June, 15:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
> >> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> >> attack
> >>
> >> thanks for the memories Michael
> >
> > This could be very positive in career terms for Michael as it was for
> > Elvis and Buddy.
>
> And Bill Hicks, a great comedian, who certainly was cut off in his prime
> when he could have had much more to give the world.
>
>
>

Bill Hicks on 'marketing'...very funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

And the relevence of this to British Politics is?

"the rifleman"  wrote in message 
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> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart 
> attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael
>

"ALAN"  wrote in message 
news:h222un$lp7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> And the relevence of this to British Politics is?

... that every major politician will buy themselves a bit more popularity 
and street cred with some platitudes about what a truly great man Michael 
Jackson was.

Tony Blair set the bar high, with his phoney words of tribute to Princess 
Diana.  David Milibrain has chosen Twitter as his medium and has offered the 
ambiguous phrase: "Never has one soared so high and yet dived so low. RIP 
Michael."




>
> "the rifleman"  wrote in message 
> news:xY-dnbfteMZ2bt7XnZ2dnUVZ8oidnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart 
>> attack
>>
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>
>
>

The Todal wrote:
> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> news:h21a1p$6pc$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Sue wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the rifleman wrote:
>>>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
>>>>> heart attack
>>>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>>>
>>>> Good riddance.
>>>
>>> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
>>> who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but
>>> so were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
>>> Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I
>>> watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
>>> better looking as a black man.
>>> Sue - not in mourning
>>
>> It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished
>> him well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created
>> moron Jade Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people
>> who have died recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret
>> from Star Trek, Steve Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I
>> still miss the wonderful American comedian and actor John Ritter
>> even though that was years ago. But Michael "ever so fucking weird"
>> Jackson I have no time for and no tears for. What I did always know
>> though was that anyone who paid to see his supposed concerts in the
>> near future was doomed to disappointment. Whether his nerves got the
>> better of him or as it happens his heart it was pretty damn clear it
>> was always going to be a bust. Fools and their money I suppose.
>
> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
> without him.

Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with some 
semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or made 
to wear masks.

 Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
> never been compulsory.
> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,

Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a peccadillo 
IYO?

 he was a
> first rate entertainer. But his achievements were all in the past and
> it was never likely, was it, that he would have much more to offer. So 
> it's no great loss for mankind but all very sad for those who were
> closest to him and for the rest of us, it's a public wallowing in
> emotion because that's the fashion when any celebrity dies.

Actually if you look on alt.music.michael-jackson very few of the public 
seem to be mourning for him. Most are taking the piss or at best 
indifferent.

Sure he was once a very talented performer, ground breaking even, but for 
many years he's been little more than a media freak show. It was actually 
quite interesting seeing La Toya on Celebrity BB. Same nose, same disconnect 
from reality, just not quite as far gone as him but it gave one an insight.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:11:46 +0100, "The Todal" 
wrote:

>
>"ALAN"  wrote in message 
>news:h222un$lp7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> And the relevence of this to British Politics is?
>
>... that every major politician will buy themselves a bit more popularity 
>and street cred with some platitudes about what a truly great man Michael 
>Jackson was.
>
>Tony Blair set the bar high, with his phoney words of tribute to Princess 
>Diana.  David Milibrain has chosen Twitter as his medium and has offered the 
>ambiguous phrase: "Never has one soared so high and yet dived so low. RIP 
>Michael."

"He really was the People's Paedophile."

-- 
Brave New Britain

"Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
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> The Todal wrote:

>>
>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>> without him.
>
> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with some 
> semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or 
> made to wear masks.
>
> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>> never been compulsory.
>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>
> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a 
> peccadillo IYO?

The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and he 
was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited by the 
press without fear that he might avail himself of England's generous libel 
laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than the OJ Simpson 
case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the jurors and get 
himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young boys, 
leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.

A smooth criminal.

The Todal wrote:
> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
> news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
>> The Todal wrote:
> 
>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>>> without him.
>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with some 
>> semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or 
>> made to wear masks.
>>
>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>>> never been compulsory.
>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a 
>> peccadillo IYO?
> 
> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and he 
> was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited by the 
> press without fear that he might avail himself of England's generous libel 
> laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than the OJ Simpson 
> case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the jurors and get 
> himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young boys, 
> leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
> 
> A smooth criminal. 
> 
> 

 From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:35:27 +0100, Tom  wrote:

>The Todal wrote:
>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
>> news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> The Todal wrote:
>> 
>>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>>>> without him.
>>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with some 
>>> semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or 
>>> made to wear masks.
>>>
>>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>>>> never been compulsory.
>>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a 
>>> peccadillo IYO?
>> 
>> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and he 
>> was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited by the 
>> press without fear that he might avail himself of England's generous libel 
>> laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than the OJ Simpson 
>> case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the jurors and get 
>> himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young boys, 
>> leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>> 
>> A smooth criminal. 

> From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.

Were you behind the headboard?

The Todal wrote:
> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
>> The Todal wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>>> without him.
>>
>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with
>> some semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel
>> balconies or made to wear masks.
>>
>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>>> never been compulsory.
>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>>
>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
>> peccadillo IYO?
>
> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling,
> and he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be
> re-visited by the press without fear that he might avail himself of
> England's generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater
> scandal than the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able to 
> bewitch the jurors and
> get himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young
> boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>
> A smooth criminal.

A greater scandal than a man murdering two people, being absolutely banged 
to rights over it and getting off because another black man had been beaten 
by police in the same area recently? You have a weird idea of justice. There 
was at least some doubt over exactly what Jackson had done but none at all 
about OJ and I think if you gave most people the choice between being mildly 
sexually abused or stabbed to death with a knife they wouldn't have too much 
trouble choosing.

"Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
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> The Todal wrote:
>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
>> news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> The Todal wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>>>> without him.
>>>
>>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with
>>> some semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel
>>> balconies or made to wear masks.
>>>
>>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>>>> never been compulsory.
>>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>>>
>>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
>>> peccadillo IYO?
>>
>> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling,
>> and he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be
>> re-visited by the press without fear that he might avail himself of
>> England's generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater
>> scandal than the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able to 
>> bewitch the jurors and
>> get himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young
>> boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>>
>> A smooth criminal.
>
> A greater scandal than a man murdering two people, being absolutely banged 
> to rights over it and getting off because another black man had been 
> beaten by police in the same area recently? You have a weird idea of 
> justice. There was at least some doubt over exactly what Jackson had done 
> but none at all about OJ and I think if you gave most people the choice 
> between being mildly sexually abused or stabbed to death with a knife they 
> wouldn't have too much trouble choosing.

The reason why it is (arguably) a greater scandal is that OJ Simpson was 
never likely to commit any further murders (though he has since been 
convicted of another crime of violence) whereas Jackson remained free to 
corrupt more young boys, which he was likely to do.

On a crime as serious as murder I can more easily forgive the jury for 
giving the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.

"IanAl"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:35:27 +0100, Tom  wrote:
>
>>The Todal wrote:
>>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
>>> news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>> The Todal wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>>>>> without him.
>>>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with 
>>>> some
>>>> semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or
>>>> made to wear masks.
>>>>
>>>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>>>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>>>>> never been compulsory.
>>>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>>>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
>>>> peccadillo IYO?
>>>
>>> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, 
>>> and he
>>> was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited by 
>>> the
>>> press without fear that he might avail himself of England's generous 
>>> libel
>>> laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than the OJ Simpson
>>> case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the jurors and get
>>> himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young boys,
>>> leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>>>
>>> A smooth criminal.
>
>> From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.
>
> Were you behind the headboard?

Mutual sex play between a middle aged man and young boys under the age of 
consent, cannot ever be truly consensual and Jackson more or less confessed 
in his interview with Bashir.

The Todal wrote:
> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
>> A greater scandal than a man murdering two people, being absolutely
>> banged to rights over it and getting off because another black man
>> had been beaten by police in the same area recently? You have a
>> weird idea of justice. There was at least some doubt over exactly
>> what Jackson had done but none at all about OJ and I think if you
>> gave most people the choice between being mildly sexually abused or
>> stabbed to death with a knife they wouldn't have too much trouble
>> choosing.
>
> The reason why it is (arguably) a greater scandal is that OJ Simpson
> was never likely to commit any further murders (though he has since
> been convicted of another crime of violence) whereas Jackson remained
> free to corrupt more young boys, which he was likely to do.
>
> On a crime as serious as murder I can more easily forgive the jury for
> giving the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.

Your arguments make no sense at all. I think I'll call it a day here.

"Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
news:h22a0u$bkd$1@news.datemas.de...
> The Todal wrote:
>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
>>> A greater scandal than a man murdering two people, being absolutely
>>> banged to rights over it and getting off because another black man
>>> had been beaten by police in the same area recently? You have a
>>> weird idea of justice. There was at least some doubt over exactly
>>> what Jackson had done but none at all about OJ and I think if you
>>> gave most people the choice between being mildly sexually abused or
>>> stabbed to death with a knife they wouldn't have too much trouble
>>> choosing.
>>
>> The reason why it is (arguably) a greater scandal is that OJ Simpson
>> was never likely to commit any further murders (though he has since
>> been convicted of another crime of violence) whereas Jackson remained
>> free to corrupt more young boys, which he was likely to do.
>>
>> On a crime as serious as murder I can more easily forgive the jury for
>> giving the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.
>
> Your arguments make no sense at all. I think I'll call it a day here.

If my arguments make no sense to you, I think you should consider whether 
you have a cognitive deficit.

I have read probably all the books about the OJ Simpson trial, by the 
attorneys involved, and the finding of not guilty - though unexpected as far 
as most spectators were concerned - can be explained by reference to the 
various areas of evidence where Simpsons team were able to show a reasonable 
doubt.

In the Jackson trial, he treated the court with contempt by turning up late 
on more than one occasion, and there were several credible witnesses, and 
the most likely explanation for the jury's verdict is that they were 
star-struck and preferred to back a rich celebrity with a reputation against 
ordinary low-life people whose evidence could be dismissed as motivated by 
the desire to win compensation.

On that basis your suggestion that most people would rather be sexually 
abused than strangled, therefore Simpson's is the greater miscarriage, is 
the logic of a small child.

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:59:00 +0100, Dave Baker wrote:
> 
>> Sue wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> the rifleman wrote:
>>>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
>>>>> attack
>>>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>>> Good riddance.
>>> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one who
>>> really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so were
>>> Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov
>>> and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I watch all these
>>> "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much better looking as
>>> a black man.
>>> Sue - not in mourning
>> It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him
>> well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade
>> Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died
>> recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek,
>> Steve Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the
>> wonderful American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was
>> years ago. But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time
>> for and no tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who
>> paid to see his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to
>> disappointment. Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it
>> happens his heart it was pretty damn clear it was always going to be a
>> bust. Fools and their money I suppose.
> 
> I regret that Michael Jackson, and Farrah Faucett, died at this moment 
> because it distracts from the hypocrisy of Mark Sanford and Sarah Palin.
> 
You're still afraid of strong women?

The Todal wrote:
> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
> news:h22a0u$bkd$1@news.datemas.de...
>> The Todal wrote:
>>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
>>>> A greater scandal than a man murdering two people, being absolutely
>>>> banged to rights over it and getting off because another black man
>>>> had been beaten by police in the same area recently? You have a
>>>> weird idea of justice. There was at least some doubt over exactly
>>>> what Jackson had done but none at all about OJ and I think if you
>>>> gave most people the choice between being mildly sexually abused or
>>>> stabbed to death with a knife they wouldn't have too much trouble
>>>> choosing.
>>> The reason why it is (arguably) a greater scandal is that OJ Simpson
>>> was never likely to commit any further murders (though he has since
>>> been convicted of another crime of violence) whereas Jackson remained
>>> free to corrupt more young boys, which he was likely to do.
>>>
>>> On a crime as serious as murder I can more easily forgive the jury for
>>> giving the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.
>> Your arguments make no sense at all. I think I'll call it a day here.
> 
> If my arguments make no sense to you, I think you should consider whether 
> you have a cognitive deficit.
> 
> I have read probably all the books about the OJ Simpson trial, by the 
> attorneys involved, and the finding of not guilty - though unexpected as far 
> as most spectators were concerned - can be explained by reference to the 
> various areas of evidence where Simpsons team were able to show a reasonable 
> doubt.
> 
> In the Jackson trial, he treated the court with contempt by turning up late 
> on more than one occasion, and there were several credible witnesses, and 
> the most likely explanation for the jury's verdict is that they were 
> star-struck and preferred to back a rich celebrity with a reputation against 
> ordinary low-life people whose evidence could be dismissed as motivated by 
> the desire to win compensation.
> 
> On that basis your suggestion that most people would rather be sexually 
> abused than strangled, therefore Simpson's is the greater miscarriage, is 
> the logic of a small child.
> 
> 
The only doubt the jury had in the Simpson trial was that a White juror 
could live if they convicted the murdering Negro. OJ didn't strangle 
anyone. He cut their throats. Pedophiles would agree that it is better 
for a child to be molested than just about anything else.
Michael Jackson was a world class pedophile just like Mohammad.

On Jun 25, 9:07 pm, Curly Surmudgeon  wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:59:00 퍝, Dave Baker wrote:
> > Sue wrote:
> >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 퍝, "Dave Baker"  wrote> >>> the rifleman wrote:
> >>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
> >>>> attack
> >>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
> >>> Good riddance.
>
> >> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one who
> >> really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so were
> >> Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov
> >> and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I watch all these
> >> "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much better looking as
> >> a black man.
> >> Sue - not in mourning
>
> > It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him
> > well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade
> > Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died
> > recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek,
> > Steve Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the
> > wonderful American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was
> > years ago. But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time
> > for and no tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who
> > paid to see his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to
> > disappointment. Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it
> > happens his heart it was pretty damn clear it was always going to be a
> > bust. Fools and their money I suppose.
>
> I regret that Michael Jackson, and Farrah Faucett, died at this moment
> because it distracts from the hypocrisy of Mark Sanford and Sarah Palin.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------->                                Arrest Bush
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------True...but the distraction will be short.

The Sanford situation in particular is the gift that just keeps
giving.

TMT

On Jun 25, 5:02 pm, "the rifleman"  wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael

One might want to read this for information...

Looks like the father was one mean SOB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson

TMT

On Jun 26, 7:14 am, Turk182  wrote:
> On 26 June, 01:20, "Dave Baker"  wrote:
>
> We know little of the private worlds of Shakespeare or Beethoven etc.
> because The News Of The World wasn't around then, but I feel sure that
> many of the people who enjoy our historical unmitigated respect, would
> have their reputations tarnished if we knew about the consequences of
> their damage - or for that matter, if we knew the real Dave Baker!
>
> None of us can afford to be too proud, one way or another, we have all
> hurt someone along the way, often without realising we had done so.
>
> Turk182

==============

Wise words from Mr Turk.

Also these are wise words:

"You know what the fellow said—in Italy, for thirty years under the
Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they
produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In
Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of
democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
[-Orson Welles in "The Third Man" - added to screenplay at Orson
Welles' insistence.]

On Jun 26, 11:35 am, Tom  wrote:
> The Todal wrote:
> > "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> >news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
> >> The Todal wrote:
>
> >>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
> >>> without him.
> >> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with some
> >> semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or
> >> made to wear masks.
>
> >> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
> >>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
> >>> never been compulsory.
> >>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
> >> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
> >> peccadillo IYO?
>
> > The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and he
> > was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited by the
> > press without fear that he might avail himself of England's generous libel
> > laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than the OJ Simpson
> > case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the jurors and get
> > himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young boys,
> > leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>
> > A smooth criminal.
>
>  From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

======================
The mother-infant relationship is mutual sex play, as we all know but
are afraid to say:
-------------------
Your Baby is not a Sack of Potatoes, Mrs !
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dddp6bt4_121hsrds9ww

"Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
news:h21a1p$6pc$1@news.datemas.de...
> Sue wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the rifleman wrote:
>>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
>>>> heart attack
>>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>>
>>> Good riddance.
>>
>> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
>> who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so
>> were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
>> Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I
>> watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
>> better looking as a black man.
>> Sue - not in mourning
>
> It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him 
> well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade 
> Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died 
> recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret

Majel Barret is dead?
Shit.
As a sad trekkie geek, I'm a bit saddened by that news.

"Tom"  wrote in message 
news:4a44a476$0$29137$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> The Todal wrote:
>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
>> news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> The Todal wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
>>>> without him.
>>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with 
>>> some semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies 
>>> or made to wear masks.
>>>
>>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
>>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
>>>> never been compulsory.
>>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
>>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a 
>>> peccadillo IYO?
>>
>> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and 
>> he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited 
>> by the press without fear that he might avail himself of England's 
>> generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than 
>> the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the 
>> jurors and get himself off these very serious charges of interfering with 
>> young boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>>
>> A smooth criminal.
>
> From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.

Oh well, that makes it okay then, doesn't it?
So you're saying that it's not wrong to sexually molest children so long as 
the children consent to it?
You better hurry, you're going to miss the last train back to Moronville

On Jun 26, 7:23 pm, "Sam"  wrote:
> "Tom"  wrote in message
>
>
> > From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.
>
> Oh well, that makes it okay then, doesn't it?
> So you're saying that it's not wrong to sexually molest children so long as
> the children consent to it?
> You better hurry, you're going to miss the last train back to Moronville

================
What Mickey did to those kids was wrong.
But the Oxana Malaya video is humbling to all human beings, and may
elicit forgiveness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyqbnDjId7g

Turk182 wrote:
> On 26 June, 01:20, "Dave Baker"  wrote:
>> the rifleman wrote:
>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
>>> attack
>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>> Good riddance.
> 
> Your words say more about you than Michael Jackson. As abuse survivors
> go, he contributed more to the worlds of culture and race relations
> than most. His talents were off the scale; he was a genius.  His
> cutting away of his own body was a symptom of the psychological damage
> he experienced.  As such damaged people go, the alleged transgressions
> were predictable but low key for a person who couldn't grow up.
> 
> We know little of the private worlds of Shakespeare or Beethoven etc.
> because The News Of The World wasn't around then, but I feel sure that
> many of the people who enjoy our historical unmitigated respect, would
> have their reputations tarnished if we knew about the consequences of
> their damage - or for that matter, if we knew the real Dave Baker!
> 
> None of us can afford to be too proud, one way or another, we have all
> hurt someone along the way, often without realising we had done so.
> 
> Turk182

On 26 June, 01:41, "The Todal"  wrote:
> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
>
> news:h21a1p$6pc$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sue wrote:
> >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 퍝, "Dave Baker" 
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> the rifleman wrote:
> >>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
> >>>> heart attack
> >>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
> >>> Good riddance.
>
> >> Bless your heart. �I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
> >> who really doesn't care. �IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so
> >> were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
> >> Baryshnikov and so many others. �The music? �Not to my taste. �As I
> >> watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
> >> better looking as a black man.
> >> Sue - not in mourning
>
> > It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him
> > well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade
> > Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died
> > recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek, Steve
> > Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the wonderful
> > American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was years ago.
> > But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time for and no
> > tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who paid to see
> > his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to disappointment.
> > Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it happens his heart it was
> > pretty damn clear it was always going to be a bust. Fools and their money
> > I suppose.
>
> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world without him.
> Now you are saying you're indifferent. �I'm sure a great number of people
> are indifferent. � Mourning a dead celebrity has never been compulsory.
>
> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality, he was a first
> rate entertainer. But his achievements were all in the past and it was never
> likely, was it, that he would have much more to offer. �So it's no great
> loss for mankind but all very sad for those who were closest to him and for
> the rest of us, it's a public wallowing in emotion because that's the
> fashion when any celebrity dies. Especially when there's that guilt thing> about having built him up as a great celebrity then having denigrated him
> for his personal failings. It's the press that does that, not us, so the
> press can luxuriate in guilt and in insincere tributes, and his loyal fans
> can see him as a martyr figure, elevated at last into a form of sainthood.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The just brilliant records were team efforts as the recent TV
documentary explained. There was Quincy Jones, his recording engineer
of long standing and British Rod Temperton not to speak of JR Robinson
whose superficially easy sounding drums hide subtleties which make all
the difference. You can't knock the music.

The Todal  posted
>In the Jackson trial, he treated the court with contempt by turning up 
>late on more than one occasion,

This alone was sufficient for an immediate conviction. Under no 
circumstances should important and highly-paid members of the legal 
profession have to cope with inconveniences that afflict the rest of us 
almost every day of our lives.

-- 
Les
Conspiracy theory: A suspicion that officials sometimes mislead the public in
order to protect their own interests.

I really don't know about the abuse allegations now; he was certainly
incredibly stupid to put himself in that position after the first
case, but I'm not surprised he's dead. He was fifty years old and
obviously not in good health before the London concert announcements;
one of his spokesmen said sometime before that he was not fit enough.
Obviously he would have had to work out severely to do a fifty concert
series.

It's well known that middle aged men who take up squash or whatever
risk dropping dead from heart attacks.



On 26 June, 19:23, "Sam"  wrote:
> "Tom"  wrote in message
>
> news:4a44a476$0$29137$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Todal wrote:
> >> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> >>news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
> >>> The Todal wrote:
>
> >>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
> >>>> without him.
> >>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with
> >>> some semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies
> >>> or made to wear masks.
>
> >>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
> >>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
> >>>> never been compulsory.
> >>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
> >>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
> >>> peccadillo IYO?
>
> >> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and
> >> he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited
> >> by the press without fear that he might avail himself of England's
> >> generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than
> >> the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the
> >> jurors and get himself off these very serious charges of interfering with
> >> young boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>
> >> A smooth criminal.
>
> > From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.
>
> Oh well, that makes it okay then, doesn't it?
> So you're saying that it's not wrong to sexually molest children so long as
> the children consent to it?
> You better hurry, you're going to miss the last train back to Moronville- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jun 26, 7:23 pm, "Sam"  wrote:
> "Tom"  wrote in message
>
> news:4a44a476$0$29137$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>
>
>
> > The Todal wrote:
> >> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> >>news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
> >>> The Todal wrote:
>
> >>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
> >>>> without him.
> >>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with
> >>> some semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies
> >>> or made to wear masks.
>
> >>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
> >>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
> >>>> never been compulsory.
> >>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
> >>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
> >>> peccadillo IYO?
>
> >> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and
> >> he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited
> >> by the press without fear that he might avail himself of England's
> >> generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than
> >> the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the
> >> jurors and get himself off these very serious charges of interfering with
> >> young boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>
> >> A smooth criminal.
>
> > From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.
>
> Oh well, that makes it okay then, doesn't it?
> So you're saying that it's not wrong to sexually molest children so long as
> the children consent to it?
> You better hurry, you're going to miss the last train back to Moronville

'wrong'?

WM
www.critest.com

On Jun 26, 11:57 am, "The Todal"  wrote:
> "IanAl"  wrote in message
>
> news:6899459foe4deli26ph9dk7k4phh797d9n@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:35:27 퍝, Tom  wrote:
>
> >>The Todal wrote:
> >>> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> >>>news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
> >>>> The Todal wrote:
>
> >>>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
> >>>>> without him.
> >>>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with
> >>>> some
> >>>> semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies or
> >>>> made to wear masks.
>
> >>>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
> >>>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
> >>>>> never been compulsory.
> >>>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
> >>>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
> >>>> peccadillo IYO?
>
> >>> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling,
> >>> and he
> >>> was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited by
> >>> the
> >>> press without fear that he might avail himself of England's generous
> >>> libel
> >>> laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than the OJ Simpson
> >>> case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the jurors and get
> >>> himself off these very serious charges of interfering with young boys> >>> leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>
> >>> A smooth criminal.
>
> >> From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.
>
> > Were you behind the headboard?
>
> Mutual sex play between a middle aged man and young boys under the age of
> consent, cannot ever be truly consensual and Jackson more or less confessed
> in his interview with Bashir.

That's odd, because it happens all the time.

WM

On Jun 26, 10:48 pm, thedarkman  wrote:
> I really don't know about the abuse allegations now; he was certainly
> incredibly stupid to put himself in that position after the first
> case, but I'm not surprised he's dead. He was fifty years old and
> obviously not in good health before the London concert announcements;
> one of his spokesmen said sometime before that he was not fit enough.
> Obviously he would have had to work out severely to do a fifty concert
> series.
>
> It's well known that middle aged men who take up squash or whatever
> risk dropping dead from heart attacks.
>
> On 26 June, 19:23, "Sam"  wrote:
>
> > "Tom"  wrote in message
>
> >news:4a44a476$0$29137$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>
> > > The Todal wrote:
> > >> "Dave Baker"  wrote in message
> > >>news:h226g8$779$1@news.datemas.de...
> > >>> The Todal wrote:
>
> > >>>> Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world
> > >>>> without him.
> > >>> Well his kids might at least have a better chance of growing up with
> > >>> some semblance of normality instead of being dangled off hotel balconies
> > >>> or made to wear masks.
>
> > >>> Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great
> > >>>> number of people are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has
> > >>>> never been compulsory.
> > >>>> Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality,
> > >>> Bit hard to leave aside kiddy fiddling isn't it or is that just a
> > >>> peccadillo IYO?
>
> > >> The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, and
> > >> he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be re-visited
> > >> by the press without fear that he might avail himself of England's
> > >> generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater scandal than
> > >> the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able to bewitch the
> > >> jurors and get himself off these very serious charges of interfering with
> > >> young boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.
>
> > >> A smooth criminal.
>
> > > From what I saw it was mutual sex play. Hardly kiddy fiddling.
>
> > Oh well, that makes it okay then, doesn't it?
> > So you're saying that it's not wrong to sexually molest children so long as
> > the children consent to it?
> > You better hurry, you're going to miss the last train back to Moronville- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

Yes, it is a dangerous age, particularly with his medicinal intake.

WM

In message 
, 
Mike  writes
>
>The just brilliant records were team efforts as the recent TV 
>documentary explained. There was Quincy Jones, his recording engineer 
>of long standing and British Rod Temperton not to speak of JR Robinson 
>whose superficially easy sounding drums hide subtleties which make all 
>the difference. You can't knock the music.

How strange to see a BNP supporter singing the praises of black 
entertainers.

So would you have welcomed him to the O2, or would you have seen him as 
stealing British jobs from good British entertainers like Chas and Dave, 
and demanded that he be sent back where he came from?
-- 
Richard Miller

The surgical "nose of the week" club. The gyrations, pelvic 
thrusting on stage, hiding from the press while wearing 
bright red coat, the one glove, the little boys sleeping in 
his bed at Neverland.

Not my idea of a role model.

-- 
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
  www.lds.org
.


"the rifleman"  wrote in message 
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Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 
from a heart attack

thanks for the memories Michael

Q: How do you attract white boys?
A: Look like a white girl.

-- 
Christopher A. Young
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"Sue"  wrote in message 
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Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the 
only one
who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable 
dancer but so
were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, 
Mikhail
Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my 
taste.  As I
watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he 
was much
better looking as a black man.
Sue - not in mourning

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT), thedarkman wrote:
> I really don't know about the abuse allegations now; he was certainly
> incredibly stupid to put himself in that position after the first
> case, but I'm not surprised he's dead. He was fifty years old and
> obviously not in good health before the London concert announcements;

Watching Neil Young on BBc2 @ Glastonbury. He doesn't exactly look
to be at the peak of pohysical fitness - though it's a dam' good set.

> one of his spokesmen said sometime before that he was not fit enough.
> Obviously he would have had to work out severely to do a fifty concert
> series.
>
Hmmm, he'd already delayed the start of the tour, and pushed some dates 
back into 2010. I wonder if that delay was related to this "problem"?

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:22:36 +0100, Brave New Britain 
wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:11:46 +0100, "The Todal" 
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"ALAN"  wrote in message 
>>news:h222un$lp7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> And the relevence of this to British Politics is?
>>
>>... that every major politician will buy themselves a bit more popularity 
>>and street cred with some platitudes about what a truly great man Michael 
>>Jackson was.
>>
>>Tony Blair set the bar high, with his phoney words of tribute to Princess 
>>Diana.  David Milibrain has chosen Twitter as his medium and has offered the 
>>ambiguous phrase: "Never has one soared so high and yet dived so low. RIP 
>>Michael."
>
>"He really was the People's Paedophile."

 Weren't "Screwdriver" all self confessed pedos?

Would that be smooth or serrated edge?

-- 
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
  www.lds.org
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"Dave Baker"  wrote in message
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There
was at least some doubt over exactly what Jackson had done
but none at all
about OJ and I think if you gave most people the choice
between being mildly
sexually abused or stabbed to death with a knife they
wouldn't have too much
trouble choosing.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:41:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The surgical "nose of the week" club. The gyrations, pelvic 
>thrusting on stage, hiding from the press while wearing 
>bright red coat, the one glove, the little boys sleeping in 
>his bed at Neverland.
>
>Not my idea of a role model.

Obviously not but what about his music!!!? Keith Moon was into every
sexual deviancy that could be imagined. Pete Townsend is a pedo, Roger
Daltry was an excessive twat (fucking trout farm indeed!!) and the
bass player, (um...washisname) was a dull cunt but I bet you still
like the Who's music. Maybe it was MJ's "original" colour you don't
like. Surely that fact that he became white should make it easier for
you to like his music?
MJ was a musical genius in so many ways. You've either got to be tone
deaf or a racist to not recognise that fact.
BTW, MJ was found not guilty of any pubescent boy bum tomfoolery.

ALAN wrote:
> 
> And the relevence of this to British Politics is?

There is always someone (1.0) in a ng who feel that he has a divine 
duty to be the first (in the ng) to announce a story usually involving
death(s), which is blazed all over the news media anyway. Let him have 
his news 'scoop' prize, LOL!

In message , The Todal 
 writes

>The evidence that he was abusing young boys was certainly compelling, 
>and he was very lucky to be acquitted. I suppose that can now be 
>re-visited by the press without fear that he might avail himself of 
>England's generous libel laws. And so it should be.  It's a greater 
>scandal than the OJ Simpson case - that a rich celebrity has been able 
>to bewitch the jurors and get himself off these very serious charges of 
>interfering with young boys, leaving him seemingly free to re-offend.

I'm slightly torn on that one.

Some of Jackson's comments seem to be almost word for word what we see 
from our resident kiddie fiddlers here on uk.legal. You wouldn't trust 
someone saying those things as far as you could throw them.

But Jackson was so damaged and so weird that in his case, the statements 
could be absolutely true and entirely innocent.

As you say, it would be worthwhile to have a discussion about the facts 
of the matter without fear of libel laws to censor.
-- 
Richard Miller

In message <h21a1p$6pc$1@news.datemas.de>, Dave Baker  
writes
>
>It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him
>well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade Goody
>I have absolutely no interest.

Agreed. The news came as a shock, and I definitely accept that it is a 
big story, but it doesn't have any emotional resonance for me.

> Now there are people who have died recently
>who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek, Steve Irwin
>killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the wonderful American
>comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was years ago.

The main ones I can think of that really hit me were Kirsty MacColl, 
Robin Cook, Linda Smith, John Peel and Douglas Adams.
-- 
Richard Miller

In message , Stephen Hendry 
 writes
>On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:41:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
><cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The surgical "nose of the week" club. The gyrations, pelvic
>>thrusting on stage, hiding from the press while wearing
>>bright red coat, the one glove, the little boys sleeping in
>>his bed at Neverland.
>>
>>Not my idea of a role model.
>
>Obviously not but what about his music!!!?

It's a matter of taste. Generally I could take it or leave it. But given 
that he ranged from the syrupy One Day In Your Life (which I nonetheless 
like) to the rocky Beat It (which I also like) via a lot of disco stuff 
(which broadly I don't) to the freaky religious garbage that is Earth 
Song, most people will find something they enjoy somewhere.

>Keith Moon was into every
>sexual deviancy that could be imagined. Pete Townsend is a pedo, Roger
>Daltry was an excessive twat (fucking trout farm indeed!!) and the
>bass player, (um...washisname)

John Entwistle.

>was a dull cunt

He died in a cocaine orgy with a prostitute. If that's your idea of 
dull, I don't rate your chances for a long life. :-)

>but I bet you still
>like the Who's music.

I certainly do.

Bill Wyman, Jerry Lee Lewis or Chuck Berry would have been better 
examples.

> Maybe it was MJ's "original" colour you don't
>like. Surely that fact that he became white should make it easier for
>you to like his music?
>MJ was a musical genius in so many ways. You've either got to be tone
>deaf or a racist to not recognise that fact.

No you don't. He was commercially successful, he managed to make music 
that appealed to a lot of people, but so did the Bay City Rollers and 
Take That.

>BTW, MJ was found not guilty of any pubescent boy bum tomfoolery.

Which of course does not mean that he didn't do it; and the evidence 
against him was pretty strong.
-- 
Richard Miller

Richard Miller wrote:

> In message , Stephen Hendry



>> and the
>>bass player, (um...washisname)
> 
> John Entwistle.
> 
>>was a dull cunt
> 
> He died in a cocaine orgy with a prostitute. If that's your idea of
> dull, I don't rate your chances for a long life. :-)

Two prostitutes.

Daltry said later "It's how he would have wanted to go".

> 
-- 
William Black

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:50:48 +0100, Richard Miller wrote:
> In message , Stephen Hendry 

>>BTW, MJ was found not guilty of any pubescent boy bum tomfoolery.
>
> Which of course does not mean that he didn't do it; and the evidence 
> against him was pretty strong.

Careful.
If it turns out that he faked his death (you know, like wot Elvis dun!)
and it was merely a publicity stunt for his next tour / album, it would be 
interesting to see the legal position of any libellous remarks made
on the incorrect assumption that he was dead.

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:33:43 +0100, johannes
 wrote:

>
>
>ALAN wrote:
>> 
>> And the relevence of this to British Politics is?
>
>There is always someone (1.0) in a ng who feel that he has a divine 
>duty to be the first (in the ng) to announce a story usually involving
>death(s), which is blazed all over the news media anyway. Let him have 
>his news 'scoop' prize, LOL!

Isn't that the truth!!  Absolutely silly.  
Sue

On Jun 25, 11:02 pm, "the rifleman"  wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael

Thank you. If you had not posted here, I would never have found out.
Any specific UK legal issue you want to raise?

McGregor wrote:
> "the rifleman"  wrote in message
> news:xY-dnbfteMZ2bt7XnZ2dnUVZ8oidnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart
>> attack
>>
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
> Indeed,  this is quite good political, parliamentary, legal and survival
> matter...

Yep - he can't vote any more, the lawyers will have fun with his estate, and 
he's ready for field-dressing.

"Stephen Hendry"  wrote in message 
news:ckva455e216cepspi58oq0sltu4im2tutf@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:41:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The surgical "nose of the week" club. The gyrations, pelvic
>>thrusting on stage, hiding from the press while wearing
>>bright red coat, the one glove, the little boys sleeping in
>>his bed at Neverland.
>>
>>Not my idea of a role model.
>
> Obviously not but what about his music!!!? Keith Moon was into every
> sexual deviancy that could be imagined. Pete Townsend is a pedo, Roger
> Daltry was an excessive twat (fucking trout farm indeed!!) and the
> bass player, (um...washisname) was a dull cunt but I bet you still
> like the Who's music. Maybe it was MJ's "original" colour you don't
> like. Surely that fact that he became white should make it easier for
> you to like his music?
> MJ was a musical genius in so many ways. You've either got to be tone
> deaf or a racist to not recognise that fact.
> BTW, MJ was found not guilty of any pubescent boy bum tomfoolery.

James Brown on his worst day had more musical talent than MJ. MJ
was manufactured talent.

"S"  wrote in message
news:c038cc53-cd93-47b4-80bb-2cbc1a88128a@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

>Thank you. If you had not posted here, I would never have found out.
>Any specific UK legal issue you want to raise?


That's a bit hypocritical isn't it?.....critisising the off topic
post....then snipping uk.legal but still cross posting your reply to several
other non-relevant groups.
Anyway...just for your delight I've popped uk.legal back into the list.

I might also post it to 'alt.s.pickle2001.is.a.2-faced.jobsworth'
I'm sure such a group exists if you regularly make a habit of being such a
fuckwit!

Perhaps you should get yourself a nice little moderated newsgroup....where
you can censor all off topic stuff to your hearts content?

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:55:16 -0700 (PDT), Mike 
wrote:

>On 25 June, 15:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>>
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
>This could be very positive in career terms for Michael as it was for
>Elvis and Buddy.

Indeed.  It looks like he might finally be able to pay off that $500
Million dollars worth of debt.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in 
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that 
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked 
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us 
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, 
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit 
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:30:23 -0700, Gunner Asch
 wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:55:16 -0700 (PDT), Mike 
>wrote:
>
>>On 25 June, 15:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>>>
>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>
>>This could be very positive in career terms for Michael as it was for
>>Elvis and Buddy.
>
>Indeed.  It looks like he might finally be able to pay off that $500
>Million dollars worth of debt.

What makes you think that he is indebted to pay your bills?

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:59:00 +0100, "Dave Baker"  wrote:

>Majel Barret


She died?

Damn.


Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in 
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that 
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked 
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us 
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, 
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit 
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:41:06 +0100, "The Todal" 
wrote:

>
>"Dave Baker"  wrote in message 
>news:h21a1p$6pc$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Sue wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:20:32 +0100, "Dave Baker" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the rifleman wrote:
>>>>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
>>>>> heart attack
>>>>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>>>
>>>> Good riddance.
>>>
>>> Bless your heart.  I was beginning to believe that I'm the only one
>>> who really doesn't care.  IMO he was an really admirable dancer but so
>>> were Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Rudolph Nuryev, Nijinsky, Mikhail
>>> Baryshnikov and so many others.  The music?  Not to my taste.  As I
>>> watch all these "news" clips about him I'm reminded that he was much
>>> better looking as a black man.
>>> Sue - not in mourning
>>
>> It's not like I wish, or wished, him badly - or actually ever wished him 
>> well. I simply don't care. Much like dumbfuck media created moron Jade 
>> Goody I have absolutely no interest. Now there are people who have died 
>> recently who I did care about and miss. Majel Barret from Star Trek, Steve 
>> Irwin killed by a stingray, Paul Newman, I still miss the wonderful 
>> American comedian and actor John Ritter even though that was years ago. 
>> But Michael "ever so fucking weird" Jackson I have no time for and no 
>> tears for. What I did always know though was that anyone who paid to see 
>> his supposed concerts in the near future was doomed to disappointment. 
>> Whether his nerves got the better of him or as it happens his heart it was 
>> pretty damn clear it was always going to be a bust. Fools and their money 
>> I suppose.
>
>Oh. "Good riddance" sounds as if you think it's a better world without him. 
>Now you are saying you're indifferent.  I'm sure a great number of people 
>are indifferent.   Mourning a dead celebrity has never been compulsory.
>
>Leaving aside the flaws he may have had in his personality, he was a first 
>rate entertainer. But his achievements were all in the past and it was never 
>likely, was it, that he would have much more to offer.  So it's no great 
>loss for mankind but all very sad for those who were closest to him and for 
>the rest of us, it's a public wallowing in emotion because that's the 
>fashion when any celebrity dies. Especially when there's that guilt thing, 
>about having built him up as a great celebrity then having denigrated him 
>for his personal failings. It's the press that does that, not us, so the 
>press can luxuriate in guilt and in insincere tributes, and his loyal fans 
>can see him as a martyr figure, elevated at last into a form of sainthood. 
>

He was also a serial child molester.

Good riddence.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in 
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that 
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked 
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us 
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, 
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit 
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

On 25 June, 23:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael

What talent did he have? What Musical instruments could he play? All
he was is a singer who could dance - he did not even write a lot of
his songs.

President AfterIhadmyDinnerDad wrote:
> On 25 June, 23:02, "the rifleman"  wrote:
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a
>> heart attack
>>
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>
> What talent did he have? What Musical instruments could he play? All
> he was is a singer who could dance - he did not even write a lot of
> his songs.

Neither did Frank Sinatra. But as an interpreter of songs, he was the bees' 
knees to my mother's generation. So it's rather unworthy to limit one's 
criticism in such a biased way. Even David Bowie has written some crap 
songs, but I don't see anyone criticising him for that, as opposed to his 
more notable contributions to the development of popular music. If you're 
not into Bowie, please feel free to substitute "Paul Weller", "Morrissey" or 
whatever, as appropriate. Chacun a son gout, as they say.

"the rifleman"  wrote in message 
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> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart 
> attack
>
> thanks for the memories Michael
>
Good riddance to the little turd, the world is a better place without him.

"Ray Shafranski"  wrote in message 
news:7b4ia8F1uiq8jU1@mid.individual.net...
> "the rifleman"  wrote in message 
> news:xY-dnbfteMZ2bt7XnZ2dnUVZ8oidnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Michael Jackson singer and entertainers has died aged 50 from a heart 
>> attack
>>
>> thanks for the memories Michael
>>
> Good riddance to the little turd, the world is a better place without him.
>

The termination of his show was devine retribution for unholy behaviour.