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date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:34:22 +0100,
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Fabric of our democracy "not torn"?
For I&R GB mjm568 03 Jun 09, 12:20pm
Mr. Berlins in a somewhat bitter parting shot denounces those who
propose that we in Britain should introduce elements of "direct" democracy.
For some years we have observed that many journalists have little
knowledge of citizen-led (direct) democracy, such tools as the
law-proposal ("initiative"), the veto referendum and the recall
initiative. (See below *). This does not stop them from venting their
anger against these forms of democracy.
Numerous experts in politics and democracy for decades or longer have
advocated the introduction of these methods. This reform is necessary
because of weaknesses in our "representative" governance and by no
means, as implied by Mr. Berlins, a knee jerk reaction caused by anger
about the behaviour of MPs, .
Although Mr. Berlins can run off a handful of "arguments" against direct
democracy he does not balance this with the plentiful and sometimes
horrendous examples of bad policy made and pursued by, and failures of
omission by, our masters in the "elective dictatorship" of
representative rule.
On the other hand there are many positive reasons for strengthening
democracy by improving the chances of citizens to take part in running
"our" own affairs. That said, in partial direct democracy, the day to
day business of law-making and governing is done by the elected bodies.
Despite the current heightened anger about politicians it will NOT be
easy to bring in high quality reform of our democracy and governance.
A strong movement for reform, in tactics perhaps more like Campaign for
Real Ale than The Chartists, will be needed ;-)
More information may be found via http://www.iniref.org/
(*It is indeed sad that yet another journalist, like many all too ready
to fight off much needed reform, is ignorant of the subject. He writes,
"Switzerland's version of it is the cantonal referendum, which allows
any cause that attracts 50,000 signatures to be put to the people." This
is wrong. Berlins appears to refer to the optional (facultative) veto
referendum held at FEDERAL, not cantonal level. Further he writes,
"California has two kinds of direct democracy." This is also wrong --
there are more than two kinds.)
I&R ~ GB Citizens' Initiative and Referendum
Campaign for direct democracy in Britain
http://www.iniref.org/
ABOVE IS A REPLY TO
The fabric of our democracy has not been torn - it merely has a few
stains on it, and they are removable
o Marcel Berlins
o The Guardian, Wednesday 3 June 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/03/marcel-berlins-expenses-scandal-reaction
date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:20:21 +0200
author: I&R ~ GB info \@ iniref.org
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NOT once but twice - Hazel Blears avoided capital gains tax on two properties
Hazel Blears avoided capital gains tax on two properties
Hazel Blears, who has resigned as Communities Secretary, avoided paying
capital gains tax on the sale of two 'flipped' properties - not one, as
previously thought.
The Telegraph has learned that the £13,000 that Miss Blears repaid
voluntarily
last month, in the wake of expenses disclosures about the sale of her flat
in
Kennington flat, south London, was to cover the sale proceeds of two of her
designated 'second homes'.
more...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5436939/Hazel-Blears-avoided-capital-gains-tax-on-two-properties-MPs-expenses.html
date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:34:22 +0100
author: Russell
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Re: Ms Blears: "very, very grateful" that Labour party members had "rallied behind" her.
"Manus manum lavat"
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Blears survives confidence motion
Some party members criticised her for quitting the government on the eve of local
elections this month and undermining the chances of candidates.
Her expenses claims have also come under intense scrutiny.
Ms Blears told the BBC she was "very, very grateful" that Labour party members had "rallied behind" her.
A group of about 30 protesters gathered outside Salford Civic Centre with placards calling for her to go.
Some of the protesters chanted "Hazel out, Hazel out". Four police officers watched the demonstration.
Speaking after the vote, organiser Stephen Kingston, 50, said the campaign to remove Ms Blears would continue.
"The reaction is that it shows the Labour party in Salford is completely and absolutely out of touch with their own voters," he said.
"Labour is supposed to be the party of the working class, so why aren't they listening to the working class in Salford?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8107343.stm
"Russell" wrote in message news:78p87dF1n7r3uU1@mid.individual.net...
> Hazel Blears avoided capital gains tax on two properties
>
> Hazel Blears, who has resigned as Communities Secretary, avoided paying
> capital gains tax on the sale of two 'flipped' properties - not one, as
> previously thought.
>
> The Telegraph has learned that the £13,000 that Miss Blears repaid
> voluntarily
> last month, in the wake of expenses disclosures about the sale of her flat
> in
> Kennington flat, south London, was to cover the sale proceeds of two of her
> designated 'second homes'.
>
> more...
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5436939/Hazel-Blears-avoided-capital-gains-tax-on-two-properties-MPs-expenses.html
>
date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:03:37 GMT
author: McGregor
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