Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS crippled, 
Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and job 
security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax ripoff, 
Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, Did not 
keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent crime 
doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.

It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 3 
day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
interference in our government.

The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.

"The Rifleman" wrote:
> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS crippled, 
> Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and job 
> security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax ripoff, 
> Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, Did not 
> keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent crime 
> doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
> 
> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 3 
> day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
> interference in our government.
> 
> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out. 
> 
> 

You think Nu Liebour is socialist?

LOL

"Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>
>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>> interference in our government.
>>
>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>
> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>
> LOL

Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
failures. Socialism NEVER works.

"The Rifleman" wrote:
> "Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>>
>>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>>> interference in our government.
>>>
>>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>>
>> LOL
> 
> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
> on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
> doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
> failures. Socialism NEVER works. 
> 
> 

Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS and 
had millions on benefit.

Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not voted 
in at all.

""The Rifleman""  wrote in message 
news:3OydnadK2qyUFavVnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@bt.com...

> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS,

All the UK political parties support the NHS.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Iapetus wrote:

> "The Rifleman" wrote:
> >"Iapetus"  wrote in message
> news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
> > > "The Rifleman" wrote:
> > > > Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed,
> > > > NHS  crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed
> > > > on their pay and  job security, Eye popping taxation levels,
> > > > Northern Rock, 10 P tax  ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the
> > > > 3 nations, No English parliament,  Did not keep EU referendum
> > > > promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent  crime doubled,
> > > > millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools
> > > > ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs
> > > > doubled,  housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the
> > > > Military demoralised, The  English seen as 2nd class, I wonder
> > > > why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
> > > > 
> > > > It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the
> > > > vision of  3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant
> > > > militancy, unchecked  terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall
> > > > strikes and trade union  interference in our government.
> > > > 
> > > > The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
> > > You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
> > > 
> > > LOL
> > 
> > Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more
> > than ever  on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on
> > welfare not more than  doubled, yes they are socialists, typical
> > socialists, corrupt, immoral and  failures. Socialism NEVER works.
> 
> Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS
> and had millions on benefit.

Indeed they used to be when they were last in power, who knows what
they believe in these days.
The concepts of Benefits and the NHS are not socialist in themselves,
but the way in which these things are administered in the UK is
socialist.

It would be possible to have a benefit system that when you loose your
job, only payed a percentage (say 60%) of what you used to earn, for
say up to six months, funded by contributions while you are in work,
with no means testing.  With no other benefits.  In this system,
getting pregment will not help, and you will not be punished for
prudently saving for a rainy day.
 
> Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not
> voted in at all.

You could keep the NHS, without having it so sociolist, e.g. by
allowing patients to pay for optional extras in addition to the basic
NHS treatment.  I do find it very sad, that if your dog needs a scan /
tests, it is easy to get the results within 24 hours, but as a mere
human you could wait 6 months or more.

> It looks like people have acted wisely

Could the electorate be prosecuted under the Public Order Act for sending
Gordon Brown a message likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress?

--
Mark Lewis, North Somerset

On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:20:44 +0100  '"The Rifleman"'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS crippled, 
>Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and job 
>security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax ripoff, 
>Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, Did not 
>keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent crime 
>doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>
>It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 3 
>day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>interference in our government.
>
>The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out. 

Good post Rifleman :-)


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 04:41:12 -0500, "blue_velvet" 
wrote:

>Iapetus wrote:
>
>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>> >"Iapetus"  wrote in message
>> news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>> > > "The Rifleman" wrote:
>> > > > Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed,
>> > > > NHS  crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed
>> > > > on their pay and  job security, Eye popping taxation levels,
>> > > > Northern Rock, 10 P tax  ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the
>> > > > 3 nations, No English parliament,  Did not keep EU referendum
>> > > > promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent  crime doubled,
>> > > > millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools
>> > > > ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs
>> > > > doubled,  housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the
>> > > > Military demoralised, The  English seen as 2nd class, I wonder
>> > > > why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>> > > > 
>> > > > It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the
>> > > > vision of  3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant
>> > > > militancy, unchecked  terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall
>> > > > strikes and trade union  interference in our government.
>> > > > 
>> > > > The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>> > > You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>> > > 
>> > > LOL
>> > 
>> > Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more
>> > than ever  on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on
>> > welfare not more than  doubled, yes they are socialists, typical
>> > socialists, corrupt, immoral and  failures. Socialism NEVER works.
>> 
>> Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS
>> and had millions on benefit.
>
>Indeed they used to be when they were last in power, who knows what
>they believe in these days.
>The concepts of Benefits and the NHS are not socialist in themselves,
>but the way in which these things are administered in the UK is
>socialist.
>
>It would be possible to have a benefit system that when you loose your
>job, only payed a percentage (say 60%) of what you used to earn, for
>say up to six months, funded by contributions while you are in work,
>with no means testing.  With no other benefits.

Which is more or less how the current Jobseeker's Allowance scheme
operates. The only difference is that you are paid a flat rate
(~£60/pw, IIRC) rather than a percentage of previous income. Do try to
inform yourself before spouting off.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>"The Rifleman" wrote:
>> "Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>>>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>>>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>>>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>>>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>>>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>>>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>>>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>>>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>>>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>>>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>>>> interference in our government.
>>>>
>>>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>>> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>>>
>>> LOL
>> 
>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
>> on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
>> doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
>> failures. Socialism NEVER works. 
 

>Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS and 
>had millions on benefit.
>
>Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not voted 
>in at all.

That is a major problem in Britain.

We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
generations by all parties in the name of 'progress', to the point
that when any party attempts to introduce middle ground politics,
they are described as right-wing loons, not least by the socialist
media led by the disgusting BBC.

The bottom line is that many Brits have never been used to living
as individuals in a free, liberated society and it scares them ...


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On May 23, 12:22 pm, "Mark Lewis"  wrote:
> > It looks like people have acted wisely
>
> Could the electorate be prosecuted under the Public Order Act for sending
> Gordon Brown a message likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress?
>
> --
> Mark Lewis, North Somerset

this is possible

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:g161og$r91$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> ""The Rifleman""  wrote in message 
> news:3OydnadK2qyUFavVnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS,
>
> All the UK political parties support the NHS.
>
> -- 
> William Black
>
Yup but most of the decent parties thing the NHS should only treat the 
British tax payer, unlike Liebour who think the British tax payer should 
come last in the queue for treatment.

""The Rifleman""  wrote in message 
news:j-KdnevKJaJeLKvVnZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "William Black"  wrote in message 
> news:g161og$r91$2@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> ""The Rifleman""  wrote in message 
>> news:3OydnadK2qyUFavVnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS,
>>
>> All the UK political parties support the NHS.
>>
>> -- 
>> William Black
>>
> Yup but most of the decent parties thing the NHS should only treat the 
> British tax payer, unlike Liebour who think the British tax payer should 
> come last in the queue for treatment.
>

Well...

No they don't.

That's just a flat lie.

Foreign users of the NHS now have to prove their entitlement or pay.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

aracari wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
> 
>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>> "Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>>>>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>>>>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>>>>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>>>>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>>>>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>>>>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>>>>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>>>>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>>>>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>>>>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>>>>> interference in our government.
>>>>>
>>>>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>>>> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
>>> on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
>>> doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
>>> failures. Socialism NEVER works. 
>  
> 
>> Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS and 
>> had millions on benefit.
>>
>> Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not voted 
>> in at all.
> 
> That is a major problem in Britain.
> 
> We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
> generations by all parties in the name of 'progress', 


If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on 
your way out.

aracari wrote:
|| On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:20:44 +0100  '"The Rifleman"'
|| wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
||
||| Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS
||| crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their
||| pay and job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock,
||| 10 P tax ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No
||| English parliament, Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime,
||| sex offences and violent crime doubled, millions of unemplyed
||| hidden on disability Lists, Schools ruined,Council tax doubled,
||| rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, housing market and
||| mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The English seen
||| as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
|||
||| It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the
||| vision of 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant
||| militancy, unchecked terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall
||| strikes and trade union interference in our government.
|||
||| The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
||
|| Good post Rifleman :-)

Also add to the list the raid on pensions, and the almost giving away of a 
sizable chunk of our gold reserves.

||
||
|| --
|| socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
|| you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>aracari wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>> 
>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>> "Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>>>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>>>>>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>>>>>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>>>>>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>>>>>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>>>>>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>>>>>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>>>>>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>>>>>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>>>>>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>>>>>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>>>>>> interference in our government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>>>>> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
>>>> on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
>>>> doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
>>>> failures. Socialism NEVER works. 
>>  
>> 
>>> Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS and 
>>> had millions on benefit.
>>>
>>> Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not voted 
>>> in at all.
>> 
>> That is a major problem in Britain.
>> 
>> We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
>> generations by all parties in the name of 'progress', 
>
>
>If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on 
>your way out.

Democracy?  Is that what you call it!

Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

aracari wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
> 
>> aracari wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>
>>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>>> "Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>>>>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>>>>>>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>>>>>>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>>>>>>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>>>>>>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>>>>>>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>>>>>>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>>>>>>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>>>>>>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>>>>>>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>>>>>>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>>>>>>> interference in our government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>>>>>> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
>>>>> on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
>>>>> doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
>>>>> failures. Socialism NEVER works. 
>>>  
>>>
>>>> Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS and 
>>>> had millions on benefit.
>>>>
>>>> Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not voted 
>>>> in at all.
>>> That is a major problem in Britain.
>>>
>>> We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
>>> generations by all parties in the name of 'progress', 
>>
>> If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on 
>> your way out.
> 
> Democracy?  Is that what you call it!
> 
> Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
> by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
> 

And what percentage did the Conservatives get? If people are to bone 
idle to get to the polling stations that's their fault, not the governments.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:27:32 +0100  'Iapetus'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>aracari wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>> 
>>> aracari wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>>
>>>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Iapetus"  wrote in message news:g160ud$ffn$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> "The Rifleman" wrote:
>>>>>>>> Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
>>>>>>>> crippled, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and 
>>>>>>>> job security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax 
>>>>>>>> ripoff, Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, 
>>>>>>>> Did not keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent 
>>>>>>>> crime doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools 
>>>>>>>> ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled, 
>>>>>>>> housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The 
>>>>>>>> English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
>>>>>>>> 3 day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked 
>>>>>>>> terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union 
>>>>>>>> interference in our government.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>>>>>>> You think Nu Liebour is socialist?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>> Do New labour not support the wasteful NHS, Do they not spend more than ever 
>>>>>> on social security, and benefits, have the numbers on welfare not more than 
>>>>>> doubled, yes they are socialists, typical socialists, corrupt, immoral and 
>>>>>> failures. Socialism NEVER works. 
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> Then I guess the Tories are socialists too, they supported the NHS and 
>>>>> had millions on benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any party that tries to take away the NHS will be voted out or not voted 
>>>>> in at all.
>>>> That is a major problem in Britain.
>>>>
>>>> We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
>>>> generations by all parties in the name of 'progress', 
>>>
>>> If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on 
>>> your way out.
>> 
>> Democracy?  Is that what you call it!
>> 
>> Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>> by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
 

>And what percentage did the Conservatives get? If people are to bone 
>idle to get to the polling stations that's their fault, not the governments.

In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.

They cannot on the one hand, claim ultimate authority into every
nook and cranny of society with no constitutional restraints, and
then disclaim any liability when things goes wrong ...but they do.

That tells you much about the slime we have running Britain.

Your comments are simplistic and belong to someone who is happy
to be herded around like a sheep and told what to do.


In reality, a lot of people do not register or do not vote for a
number of reasons, few of which are of their own making.

Perhaps they fundamentally disagree with the undemocratic system
of politics in Britain which has no proper constitution, & refuse
to support it by voting  Or there is no option on the ballot paper
"None of the above", which would probably collect a lot of votes,
to the dismay of politicians.

Perhaps some people don't vote because, contrary to decades of
deliberate misinformation, voting is not actually a secret ballot.

The most you can say is that this pathetic system of corrupt
governance continues because *we* allow it to.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 14:13:36, aracari  
wrote in uk.politics.misc :
>
>On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>aracari wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
>>> generations by all parties in the name of 'progress',
>>
>>
>>If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on
>>your way out.
>
>Democracy?  Is that what you call it!
>
>Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
>
Because their opponents got even less support?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Fri, 23 May 2008 17:35:40 GMT  'Paul Hyett'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 14:13:36, aracari  
>wrote in uk.politics.misc :
>>
>>On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>aracari wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:09:42 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have been brainwashed into accepting socialist policies for
>>>> generations by all parties in the name of 'progress',
>>>
>>>
>>>If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on
>>>your way out.
>>
>>Democracy?  Is that what you call it!
>>
>>Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>>by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
>>
>Because their opponents got even less support?

Historically in Britain where a winning party gets a low level of
national support, they have moderated their policies accordingly.
This demonstrates respect for the population.

But during Blair's 10 years, he introduced some of the most
authoritarian and anti-liberty laws in my lifetime. The kind of
rubbish that one would usually associate with a govt which had
received a huge, overwhelming vote of support.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

aracari wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:27:32 +0100  'Iapetus'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
> 
>> aracari wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>>>> If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on 
>>>> your way out.
>>> Democracy?  Is that what you call it!
>>>
>>> Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>>> by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
>  
> 
>> And what percentage did the Conservatives get? If people are to bone 
>> idle to get to the polling stations that's their fault, not the governments.
> 
> In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.

Whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the Monster 
Raving Loonies.

> They cannot on the one hand, claim ultimate authority into every
> nook and cranny of society with no constitutional restraints, and
> then disclaim any liability when things goes wrong ...but they do.
> 
> That tells you much about the slime we have running Britain.
 >

Again, whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the 
Monster Raving Loonies.

> Your comments are simplistic and belong to someone who is happy
> to be herded around like a sheep and told what to do.
> 

No, I vote. What's your suggestion... An armed revolt? String up all 
those who don't agree with your point of view?

> 
> In reality, a lot of people do not register or do not vote for a
> number of reasons, few of which are of their own making.

No dice. If someone is busy then they can ask to vote by post. Nobody, 
NOBODY can tell someone who is eligible that they cannot vote.

If people don't exercise their right to vote then they have no say when 
someone they don't like gets elected, there are more than three parties 
to vote for you know. Maybe we should do what some countries do, make it 
illegal not to vote, although that seems a bit draconian to me.

> 
> Perhaps they fundamentally disagree with the undemocratic system
> of politics in Britain which has no proper constitution, & refuse
> to support it by voting  Or there is no option on the ballot paper
> "None of the above", which would probably collect a lot of votes,
> to the dismay of politicians.

A spoilt ballot paper is good enough.

If 5% of the eligible electorate vote Labour, 6% vote for the Tories and 
3% for the others then the Tories will win, despite all the "None of the 
above" votes.

> 
> Perhaps some people don't vote because, contrary to decades of
> deliberate misinformation, voting is not actually a secret ballot.

Who has access to the public's voting records?

> The most you can say is that this pathetic system of corrupt
> governance continues because *we* allow it to.
> 

So you want to move the goalpost till your preferred party wins all the 
time?

On Fri, 23 May 2008 20:55:24 +0100  'Iapetus'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>aracari wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 14:27:32 +0100  'Iapetus'
>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>> 
>>> aracari wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:45 +0100  'Iapetus'
>>>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>>>> If you don't like democracy I suggest you leave. Don't slam the door on 
>>>>> your way out.
>>>> Democracy?  Is that what you call it!
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>>>> by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
>>  
>> 
>>> And what percentage did the Conservatives get? If people are to bone 
>>> idle to get to the polling stations that's their fault, not the governments.
>> 
>> In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.
>
>Whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the Monster 
>Raving Loonies.

Afaik the MRLs haven't been in power, and some govts are worse
than others at accepting responsibility for their actions.
Socialists are probably the worst of all.


>> They cannot on the one hand, claim ultimate authority into every
>> nook and cranny of society with no constitutional restraints, and
>> then disclaim any liability when things goes wrong ...but they do.
>> 
>> That tells you much about the slime we have running Britain.
> >
>
>Again, whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the 
>Monster Raving Loonies.

ditto.

>> Your comments are simplistic and belong to someone who is happy
>> to be herded around like a sheep and told what to do.
>> 
>
>No, I vote. What's your suggestion... An armed revolt? String up all 
>those who don't agree with your point of view?

rotfl.

>> In reality, a lot of people do not register or do not vote for a
>> number of reasons, few of which are of their own making.
>
>No dice. If someone is busy then they can ask to vote by post. Nobody, 
>NOBODY can tell someone who is eligible that they cannot vote.

non sequitur.

>If people don't exercise their right to vote then they have no say when 
>someone they don't like gets elected, there are more than three parties 
>to vote for you know. Maybe we should do what some countries do, make it 
>illegal not to vote, although that seems a bit draconian to me.

Rubbish.
 
>> Perhaps they fundamentally disagree with the undemocratic system
>> of politics in Britain which has no proper constitution, & refuse
>> to support it by voting  Or there is no option on the ballot paper
>> "None of the above", which would probably collect a lot of votes,
>> to the dismay of politicians.
>
>A spoilt ballot paper is good enough.

And that achieves what exactly?

>If 5% of the eligible electorate vote Labour, 6% vote for the Tories and 
>3% for the others then the Tories will win, despite all the "None of the 
>above" votes.

Yes, that is what the sheep are expected to accept.

But we end up with a party in power which has no mandate from the
electorate, under any reasonable definition of the term democracy.


>> Perhaps some people don't vote because, contrary to decades of
>> deliberate misinformation, voting is not actually a secret ballot.
>
>Who has access to the public's voting records?

Anybody so authorised, eg: the security services.
Trust me on this, it's true.

>> The most you can say is that this pathetic system of corrupt
>> governance continues because *we* allow it to.
>> 
>
>So you want to move the goalpost till your preferred party wins all the 
>time?

You don't get it.  I don't have a "preferred party".

I *do* have a preferred system of govt, with govt only having
the powers authorised under a written constitution approved by
the citizenry (and probably voted upon by each generation).

The current system of govt we have is little more than a façade
which alludes to being a democracy, but is actually closer to a
top-down corporate management system.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

aracari wrote:

> 'Iapetus' wrote:

>>> In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.

>> Whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the Monster 
>> Raving Loonies.

> Afaik the MRLs haven't been in power

The Raving Loonies have not been in power?

So who's been running Britain for the past year?

On Sat, 24 May 2008 00:23:50 +0100  'JNugent'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>aracari wrote:
>
>> 'Iapetus' wrote:
>
>>>> In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.
>
>>> Whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the Monster 
>>> Raving Loonies.
>
>> Afaik the MRLs haven't been in power
>
>The Raving Loonies have not been in power?
>
>So who's been running Britain for the past year?


Darn it!  I'd forgotten about that.

One could even stretch it and say for more than a year ;-)


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 19:16:32, aracari  
wrote in uk.politics.misc :
>>>
>>>Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>>>by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
>>>
>>Because their opponents got even less support?
>
>Historically in Britain where a winning party gets a low level of
>national support, they have moderated their policies accordingly.
>This demonstrates respect for the population.
>
>But during Blair's 10 years, he introduced some of the most
>authoritarian and anti-liberty laws in my lifetime. The kind of
>rubbish that one would usually associate with a govt which had
>received a huge, overwhelming vote of support.

But it's only since 2005 that their level of popular support has dropped 
dramatically.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Paul Hyett wrote:
|| On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 19:16:32, aracari 
|| wrote in uk.politics.misc :
|||||
|||
||| But during Blair's 10 years, he introduced some of the most
||| authoritarian and anti-liberty laws in my lifetime. The kind of
||| rubbish that one would usually associate with a govt which had
||| received a huge, overwhelming vote of support.
||
||

Next on the cards a blanket 20 mph speed limit in all built up areas, and 
that half a pint of ice cold lager with your meal will definitely put you 
over the drink drive limit.


|| --
|| Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Sat, 24 May 2008 06:40:42 GMT  'Paul Hyett'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 19:16:32, aracari  
>wrote in uk.politics.misc :
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps you can explain why the current government is in office
>>>>by way of getting 18-19% support from the eligible electorate?
>>>>
>>>Because their opponents got even less support?
>>
>>Historically in Britain where a winning party gets a low level of
>>national support, they have moderated their policies accordingly.
>>This demonstrates respect for the population.
>>
>>But during Blair's 10 years, he introduced some of the most
>>authoritarian and anti-liberty laws in my lifetime. The kind of
>>rubbish that one would usually associate with a govt which had
>>received a huge, overwhelming vote of support.
>
>But it's only since 2005 that their level of popular support has dropped 
>dramatically.

True, but NewLab has never had a majority of the popular vote,
nor has any other party come to that. That is one reason why
past govts have usually moderated their policies.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On 23 May, 12:25, aracari  wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:20:44 퍝  '"The Rifleman"'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>
>
> >Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS crippled> >Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and job
> >security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax ripoff,
> >Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, Did not
> >keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent crime
> >doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools
> >ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled,
> >housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The> >English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>
> >It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 3
> >day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked
> >terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union
> >interference in our government.
>
> >The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>
> Good post Rifleman :-)
>

Arselicker, it is an ignorant post.

3 day weeks, power cuts took place under the govt of Edward Heath, and
he was not exactly a rampant Labourite.

Just you wait for a couple of years of Cameron handing money to the
smug fat upper classes - you will be screaming for a return to Labour

The NHS is not safe under the Tories because they will privatise via
the back door - using dentistry as the benchmark.

Under Cameron, when you are taken ill, you may or may not be seen by a
doctor depending on whether you have taken out insurance. Over 40?
Overweight? Drink Alcohol? Smoke? Family history of cancer/heart
disease, etc? That will be a minimum premium of £100 a month for any
one of those.

By all means vote for the selfish, greedy, money is everything
Conservatives/Daily Mail and Telegraph run the country, with added fox
hunting etc. but dont come snivelling on here when you are shit on
from a great height.

First question to ask rich Tory Boy - How much will he reduce petrol
taxes when he gets elected?

On May 24, 12:23 am, JNugent  wrote:
> aracari wrote:
> > 'Iapetus' wrote:
> >>> In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.
> >> Whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the Monster
> >> Raving Loonies.
> > Afaik the MRLs haven't been in power
>
> The Raving Loonies have not been in power?
>
> So who's been running Britain for the past year?

:)

Standard blame mechanism by the socialists after watching the country
fail at every turn - bend and distort history by claiming that the
Tories (oh, ok, and the Lib Dems, go on) are as much in "par" as
Labour is.

On May 24, 8:59 am, crazyh0r...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Just you wait for a couple of years of Cameron handing money to the
> smug fat upper classes - you will be screaming for a return to Labour

HA HA HA HA

You mean like Labour does now?

Actually no it's worse.  After stripping the so-called "upper classes"
of everything, Labour is handing money from the poor to the rich,
regardless of class.  The more money you have, the more money you get
under Labour.  Oh, unless you've got no money *at all* in which case
you can make a small fortune in handouts.  The rest of us poor
bastards have to PAY for this hellish system of yours.

When I decide that crime isn't high enough, I don't get stabbed
enough, I simply aren't ass-reamed enough on my tax return and there
isn't enough menacing yet totally ineffective surveillance of the law-
abiding "classes", then I'll be screaming for Labour.  Meantime, take
your filthy, tax-obsessed, money-obsessed, class-obsessed, crime-
loving and miserably failing Party and shove it up your arse, you
class-riddled jerk.

On May 24, 8:59 am, crazyh0r...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Under Cameron, when you are taken ill, you may or may not be seen by a
> doctor depending on whether you have taken out insurance. Over 40?
> Overweight? Drink Alcohol? Smoke? Family history of cancer/heart
> disease, etc? That will be a minimum premium of £100 a month for any
> one of those.

GOOD.  Look after yourself instead of depending on t'State to fix you
up when you've overdone it, or FUCK off.

On Sat, 24 May 2008 00:23:50 +0100, JNugent  wrote:

>aracari wrote:
>
>> 'Iapetus' wrote:
>
>>>> In Britain, almost everything is the fault of government.
>
>>> Whether it's the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or the Monster 
>>> Raving Loonies.
>
>> Afaik the MRLs haven't been in power
>
>The Raving Loonies have not been in power?
>
>So who's been running Britain for the past year?

Certainly not the MRL party. The country wouldn't be in the state it
is if they had

On Sat, 24 May 2008 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT)
'crazyh0rse1@hotmail.com'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>On 23 May, 12:25, aracari  wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:20:44 +0100  '"The Rifleman"'
>> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS crippled,
>> >Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and job
>> >security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax ripoff,
>> >Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, Did not
>> >keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent crime
>> >doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools
>> >ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled,
>> >housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The
>> >English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>>
>> >It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 3
>> >day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked
>> >terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union
>> >interference in our government.
>>
>> >The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>>
>> Good post Rifleman :-)



>Arselicker, it is an ignorant post.

In which I case I won't read any further.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

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On 23 May, 12:25, aracari  wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:20:44 +0100  '"The Rifleman"'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>
>
> >Parliament lied to, Iraq invaded,Immigration control failed, NHS 
> >crippled,
> >Nurses, Firemen, Doctors, Army and Cops failed on their pay and job
> >security, Eye popping taxation levels, Northern Rock, 10 P tax ripoff,
> >Unfair NHS services across the 3 nations, No English parliament, Did not
> >keep EU referendum promise, Gun crime, sex offences and violent crime
> >doubled, millions of unemplyed hidden on disability lists, Schools
> >ruined,Council tax doubled, rampant fuel taxation, food costs doubled,
> >housing market and mortgage industry ruined,the Military demoralised, The
> >English seen as 2nd class, I wonder why folk voted against LIEBOUR.
>
> >It looks like people have acted wisely before we return to the vision of 
> >3
> >day weeks, power cuts, weekly walk outs, rampant militancy, unchecked
> >terrorism, uncollected rubbish, town hall strikes and trade union
> >interference in our government.
>
> >The FILTHY Disease that is socialism is on the way out.
>
> Good post Rifleman :-)
>

Arselicker, it is an ignorant post.

3 day weeks, power cuts took place under the govt of Edward Heath, and
he was not exactly a rampant Labourite.

Wrong, three day weks came under Harold Wilson first.

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Arselicker, it is an ignorant post.

3 day weeks, power cuts took place under the govt of Edward Heath, and
he was not exactly a rampant Labourite.

Just you wait for a couple of years of Cameron handing money to the
smug fat upper classes - you will be screaming for a return to Labour

And under New l;abour you will be governed by these sorts of people

Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed
for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys. (2001)

Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed
for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

Labour Mayor (Westhoughton) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10
years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault.

Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and
threats to kill.

Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at
Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old
girl on 2 separate occasions.

Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2
Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public
toilet.

Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party
activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before
he could be convicted.

Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising 
for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in 
some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for 
badgers," he said.

Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days
after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his
Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

Labour Councillor (Wales) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful
wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

Labour Councillor (Wales) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute
over a seat on a train!

Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining
£20,000 in Housing Grants.

Labour councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive
fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered
massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham.

Labour Party Councillor (Blackburn), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together
with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an
alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his
wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the
fact he has a drugs conviction.

Labour Party MSP Mike Watson imprisoned for arson.

Councillor guilty of killing gull A Devon district councillor who shot a 
seagull to stop it spreading disease has been found guilty of intentionally 
killing a wild bird.

Dr Brian Boughton, 62, of South Ford Road, Dartmouth, used an air rifle to 
shoot the seagull that had nested in his roof.

He denied the 1981 Wildlife and Countryside Act section 1(1)A offence.

He was conditionally discharged for a year and ordered to pay £400 costs by 
Totnes Magistrates on Wednesday.

Ex-mayor's computer images arrest A former leader of Swansea Council has 
been arrested after indecent images were allegedly found on his 
council-issue laptop computer.

Lawrence Bailey, 51, has "emphatically denied" the claims and was given 
police bail following his arrest on Friday.

The councillor said he had given police his complete co-operation.

A former Lord Mayor of Swansea, he stood down as Labour leader in 2004 after 
the party lost power in the city for the first time in 25 years.

In identical statements given to the Swansea-based Evening Post and the 
Western Mail Mr Bailey said: "My family and I are shattered by these events 
and we are anxious for the matter to be resolved quickly.

"I have emphatically denied these allegations and following my brief arrest 
on Friday evening, I was released without charge the same night.

"I have given the police my complete co-operation in their investigations 
and am in no doubt that this matter will be fully resolved."

Mr Bailey is a Labour county councillor for the Birchgrove ward in the city.

A spokesman for South Wales Police said: "We have arrested a 51-year-old man 
in relation to possession of indecent images.

"He has been bailed pending further inquiries."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/wales/south_west/4984308.stm

Published: 2006/05/08 11:42:49 GMT

© BBC MMVI

LABOUR party canvasser David Harding, 48, of Hornchurch, Essex was convicted 
of assaulting Robert Benham, 25, parliamentary assistant to Romford MP 
Andrew Rosindell.

Havering Magistrates heard the assault took place outside Romford Railway 
Station on 4 May, 2005.

On Tuesday campaign manager Harding, a married father-of-two, was ordered to 
serve 100 hours community service.

He was also convicted of using threatening or abusive words or behaviour 
after the incident.

Harding had been part of two competing groups of Tory and Labour canvassers 
who had gathered outside the railway station.

Subject: Oldham NuLabCur Councillor Held After Drugs Find !


> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4659496.stm
>
> A Labour councillor has been questioned by police in connection with the
> discovery of drugs in the wheel arch of a car.
> Councillor Asaf Ali, who represents Alexandra Ward on Oldham Council, was 
> arrested on Friday night. A substantial amount of money was also seized 
> from a house and inquiries by Greater Manchester Police were continuing 
> over the weekend.

Subject: Berkshire Council Meeting Ends In Disarray !

Reads like a parody, but it's true !
> http://tinyurl.com/ce5wo
> A LABOUR chief 'made an obscene gesture' to rivals after he was expelled
> from the council chamber in unprecedented scenes at the town hall.
> Labour deputy James Swindlehurst (Lab: Cippenham Green) allegedly made a 
> 'V-sign' as he swept out of the room with the entire opposition who left 
> with him in protest.
>
> The mass walk-out came during a particularly ill-tempered council meeting 
> on Monday night. Council boss Cheryl Coppell, who had stepped out of the 
> meeting, watched stunned as Labour members flooded the lobby where she was 
> eating a tub of pasta salad. Earlier there were bizarre scenes when 
> independent Tory Balvinder Dhillon (Con: Upton) spent several minutes 
> criticising Labour Cllr Jagjit Grewal. Mr Dhillon had been ordered by the 
> Standards Board to apologise for threatening behaviour towards Mr Grewal 
> (Lab: Kedermister) after a meeting > last year.
But it was only when with expulsion from the chamber that Mr Dhillon finally
> read a statement of 'unreserved' apology 'from the bottom of my heart'.
The ejection row then began during a Labour motion calling on the council to 
subsidise traditional Muslim burials to the tune of £1,000.
During his response, council leader Richard Stokes (Lib: Haymill) became
> annoyed at repeated interjections from Cllr Swindlehurst and moved for his
> ejection.
When this was voted through, Cllr Swindlehurst and around eight colleagues
marched out to thunderous applause from ruling BILLD councillors and Tories.
Veteran Labour firebrand Lydia Simmons, (Lab: Central) told Mayor Latif
> Khan: "It's disgusting that you have allowed this motion (to eject Cllr
> Swindlehurst)." The exit meant Labour's motion to organise a celebration 
> to mark the 200th
> anniversary of the end of the slave trade was scrapped.
Remaining councillors wanted it recorded in the minutes that Cllr
> Swindlehurst had stuck two fingers up as he left the chamber.
> Last summer, Cllr Swindlehurst was rapped by standard's watchdogs and made 
> to apologise when he told Britwell councillor Sean Wright to 'S*** my 
> c**k'.

A FORMER Tower Hamlets councillor and his younger brother have admitted
> pilfering £30,000 from a council-backed East End children's programme.
> Nasir Uddin, ex-Labour councillor for the St Dunstan's and Stepney ward, 
> and his younger brother, Ain Uddin, dramatically changed their pleas today
> (Weds) at Southwark Crown Court in a fraud trial also involving Kumar
> Murshid, a serving member of Tower Hamlets council and a former top 
> advisor to London Mayor Ken Livingstone.
Nasir Uddin, 33, now of Cotswold Gardens, East Ham, admitted taking £15,694 
for personal gain from the Stepney-based Youth Action Scheme four years ago. 
He also admitted illegally transferring £10,000 from the scheme to
> Deshbangla TV, a Bow-based Bangladeshi media and training company.
> He also pleaded guilty to stealing £4,262 from Youth Action Scheme for the
> benefit of his brother, Ain, 32, of East India Dock Road.
> Ain Uddin admitted stealing a further £5,985 from the scheme between 2000
> and 2002, the court heard. The brothers were bailed until sentencing, 
> expected in three weeks.

Labour worker 'groomed teenager'

A former Labour Party organiser abducted and took to bed a 13-year-old boy 
he had groomed on the internet, a court has heard.

Peter Tuffley, 28, was working in the North West when he met the youngster. 
Mr Tuffley and the boy swapped emails before kissing and cuddling at the 
regional organiser's Liverpool home, Bolton Crown Court heard. Mr Tuffley, 
now living in East Sussex, denies grooming, child abduction and sexual 
activity with a child. The youngster's parents had called police after he 
failed to return home. Mr Tuffley was arrested the next day - telling 
officers he thought the boy was over 16.

Internet chatroom

Mr Tuffley, who now lives at Pipersfield, Ridgewood, East Sussex, has since 
resigned from his position with the Labour Party. When police checked Mr 
Tuffley's computer they found an exchange of messages between the two, which 
the prosecution alleged showed Mr Tuffley must have known he was underage 
The boy, referred to in court as Boy A, first contacted Mr Tuffley through 
an internet chatroom and dating website. The youngster, then aged 13, 
claimed to be 18 on the website, was gay and from the North West. But he 
told police later he had admitted to Mr Tuffley he was still at school - but 
had said he was aged 15, not 13. Mobile phone text messages and emails 
between the two were shown to the jury. "You can see from the content they 
demonstrated a childish infatuation from boy A for the defendant and the 
defendant was interested about meeting him," Geoff Whelan, prosecuting, 
said.

'Willing participant' After more messages were exchanged the boy, who is 
from Bolton, asked to meet up and Mr Tuffley agreed. One message from Mr 
Tuffley read: "I will get your drink in, you little alky. I hope we can 
managemore than a minute when we do it." On 12 March, Mr Tuffley is alleged 
to have picked the boy up from school, before driving him driving back to 
his flat. They watched videos then got into bed together, the court heard. 
The boy said they kissed. Tuffley told officers the boy's internet profile 
claimed he was 18 and he assumed the youngster was in the sixth form at 
school. Mr Whelan added: "The key issue is age. There is no doubt boy A was 
a willing participant in whatever activity took place. "The problem for the 
defendant is boy A was a 13-year-old boy. A child in the eye's of the law. 
There is ample evidence the defendant knew his age."

The case continues.

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Another crooked Labour Councilor bites the dust - after 16 years as a
Labour Councilor, David Tomlin is looking at a possible jail sentence
for dishonestly claiming £6,500 in benefits.
A shamed Tees councillor was today facing possible jail after he
dishonestly claimed £6,500 in benefits.

He has resigned from the Normanby Labour Party but has not said
whether he will step down as a councilor.
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Granny-Beater Labour Councillor Nov 2006-11-14

Doug Haw got pissed and punched his 83 year-old widowed neighbour in the 
face leaving her bleeding. The respect agenda has clearly not reached 
everyone in the Labour party, he has resigned as a councillor and quit his 
job as Labour MP Mark Todd's agent. He was sentenced to nine-months jail 
time.

Haw is also currently awaiting magistrates' court trials over two separate 
charges of assault and criminal damage.

Ex-council leader's election ban

The former leader of Hull City Council, Colin Inglis, has been barred from 
standing for his own party at next year's local elections. National 
officials meeting in Hull on Sunday decided to extend his suspension by five 
months until 31 May 2007.

That means the Myton ward councillor will be unable to stand for Labour at 
the local council elections on 3 May. Mr Inglis had breached party rules, 
including supporting a no-confidence vote in the ruling Labour group. That 
paved the way for the Liberal Democrats to take control of the council last 
May. Mr Inglis told BBC Look North that he wanted to continue serving as a 
councillor and was considering his options, including whether to stand as an 
independent. He was originally suspended by Labour 18 months ago when he was 
arrested and charged over child abuse allegations dating back to the 1980s, 
when he was employed as a social worker at a residential home in east Hull. 
He was cleared of 10 charges of indecent assault in July after a two-week 
trial at Leeds Crown Court.

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Election candidate is suspended

The Labour party has suspended a candidate standing in the Mansfield 
District Council elections over allegations of breaching election law. 
Victor Jennings was the Labour party candidate in the Birklands ward.

The party told the BBC it was no longer endorsing his candidacy and he had 
been instructed to make a full and frank statement to police.

Nottinghamshire Police said an election fraud allegation was reported over 
the weekend and was being investigated.

        (I) very much regret my actions
      Victor Jennings


The Labour party said Mr Jennings had been suspended from the party with 
immediate effect following allegations of a "serious breach of election 
law". In a statement, issued through his solicitor Paul Bacon, Mr Jennings 
said he accepted his nomination form was invalid and was currently waiting 
to be interviewed by the police. He added: "I accept my responsibility. I 
wish for voters in the Birklands ward to know this in advance of the 
election so that they do not waste their vote in trying to elect me on 
Thursday. "I thank the people who have supported me so far and very much 
regret my actions."

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Judge jails 'spying' councillor

A Hampshire councillor who set up a spy camera to secretly film a woman and 
two teenage girls using his bathroom has been jailed for four months. Neil 
Redrup, a Ministry of Defence database manager at the time, put the camera 
in an airing cupboard with the lens spying through a hole at his home. 
Redrup, 45, regularly invited teenagers to parties at his home, a court 
heard. He pleaded guilty to four charges of voyeurism and one for gross 
indecency between January and December 2005.

        The complainant in count one, who was only aged 14, looked on you 
effectively as her dad, she felt she had a special relationship with you
      Judge Tom Longbotham


On Monday, Carl Anderson, prosecuting, told Southampton Crown Court there 
was a "never-ending free supply of alcohol" available at the parties at 
Redrup's Gosport home. He set up the camera angled towards the toilet and 
secretly filmed two girls, aged 14 and 16, using the lavatory. Judge Tom 
Longbotham, who jailed Redrup, a former Labour councillor, for four months 
on each count to run concurrently, told him he would be on licence when 
released. Judge Longbotham said: "Sadly the offences that you have committed 
are such that they represent a very serious breach of trust apart from 
anything else. "For example the complainant in count one, who was only aged 
14, looked on you effectively as her dad, she felt she had a special 
relationship with you. "You met her mother and her family, became friendly 
with them and they, no doubt, felt that she was safe coming round to your 
house."

Suicide attempt

The court heard that after the offences came to light the victims were 
"shocked and disgusted about it". Redrup also videoed a 30-year-old woman, 
whom he had met in an internet chat room, as she was naked in his shower on 
two occasions when she visited his home. His lodger alerted police after 
Redrup gave him a video featuring the secret footage, which Mr Anderson said 
was filmed for Redrup's "titillation". The court heard Redrup started 
drinking heavily and suffered a mental breakdown, attempting suicide, 
following the break-up of his long-term relationship.

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Ex-councillor jailed for stabbing

A former deputy leader of Sefton Council has been jailed for 14 years for 
repeatedly stabbing a love rival. Edward McEvilly, 44, a former Labour 
councillor, was convicted of attempting to murder Alan Harrison in February 
at Liverpool Crown Court.

McEvilly was a lodger at his ex-partner Elaine Smith's house on Railton Road 
in Norris Green at the time of the attack. The court heard he stabbed Miss 
Smith's new partner, Mr Harrison, 44, while he was unwell in bed at the 
house. Judge Mark Brown said he had attacked Mr Harrison "in a vicious and 
horrific way." 'Frenzied attack' The court was told that had it not been for 
the fast action of Miss Smith, he could have died. The jury heard that 
McEvilly had carried out the attack after he had returned home after a night 
drinking at about 2300 GMT on 8 February. He walked into Mr Harrison's 
bedroom armed with a knife, stabbing Mr Harrison 17 times in the face, 
chest, stomach and leg as he lay in bed. Miss Smith, who had been having a 
bath at the house, ran to the bedroom and jumped on McEvilly's back while 
the attack was taking place. "This was a frenzied attack and she must have 
put herself at considerable risk. She probably saved his life and is to be 
commended," said Judge Brown.

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Ex-mayor jailed for benefit fraud A former mayor and his wife have been 
jailed for 15 months and eight months respectively for falsely claiming 
almost £50,000 in benefits.

John Walker, 57, the former mayor of Sefton, and his wife Catie, 43, were 
found guilty of conspiracy to defraud. They were also convicted at Liverpool 
Crown Court of exaggerating ill health to obtain disability living 
allowance.

Judge Brian Lewis described the deception of the pair as "a disgraceful

breach of trust". He said it had involved persistent and serious abuse of 
the benefit system and that the couple had shown no remorse.

        You postured in your civic finery... and systematically cheated the 
community which had honoured you
      Judge Brian Lewis


The Walkers, of Farmer Place, Bootle, obtained a total of nearly £47,000 in 
disability living allowance and income support while John Walker held public 
office, the jury was told.

The court heard that the ex-Labour councillor stated on forms submitted 
between 1999 and 2004 that he suffered from the muscle condition 
fibromyalgia, ME and had severe disabilities which meant he needed 
round-the-clock care from his wife.

Taxi driver

He listed "heavy night sweats" and swollen hands, arms and legs as effects 
of the illnesses and said walking long distances caused extreme pain and 
discomfort.

At the same time she was working as a taxi driver and the former mayor was 
claiming expenses in his council role.

The pair were caught out when fraud inspectors filmed Walker as mayor 
attending lengthy civic functions and making political speeches.

John Walker, 57, was jailed for 15 months and his 48-year-old wife was 
sentenced to eight months in prison.

Judge Lewis said: "It is apparent that as the two of you postured in your 
civic finery being chauffeured around in your publicly funded limousine 
then, and for some years before, you systematically cheated the community 
which had honoured you.

"It is a disgraceful breach of trust."

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Man arrested in indecency probe The BBC understands a former chairman of the 
Humberside Police Authority has been arrested on suspicion of gross 
indecency and other offences.

Hull City Councillor Steven Bayes was detained in Northern Ireland on Monday 
but has since been released on bail.

The police in Belfast would only confirm that a 45-year-old man had been 
arrested.

Mr Bayes is hoping to become Labour's candidate for Hull East at the next 
election when John Prescott steps down.

Mr Bayes is a Labour member of Hull City Council representing the Orchard 
Park and Greenwood ward.

Although police in Northern Ireland would not confirm his arrest, a force 
spokesman said a 45-year old man who the BBC understands from other sources 
is Steven Bayes, was arrested by officers in Belfast at about 0900 GMT on 
Monday on suspicion of gross indecency and other offences.

Officers said the man had since been released on police bail pending further 
inquiries.

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Mayor's advisor resigns over lie An adviser to mayor Ken Livingstone has 
resigned after lying about taking a free luxury weekend in Africa.

Rosemary Emodi, deputy to the mayor's chief race adviser Lee Jasper, last 
week denied visiting a £200-a-night resort in Nigeria last November.

But when the BBC confronted her on Tuesday with evidence she flew there with 
airline Virgin Nigeria, Ms Emodi immediately tendered her resignation.

The mayor's office said a formal statement made by Ms Emodi was untrue.

Virgin Nigeria confirmed Ms Emodi flew from London to Lagos on 30 November, 
stayed for three nights and returned on 3 December.

Educational retreat

She stayed at the La Campagne Tropicana resort in a £200-a-night chalet paid 
for by her hosts.

With her was Eroll Walters, the director of community group Brixton Base 
Limited, head of the Black Londoners Forum and a friend of the mayor's 
advisor Lee Jasper.

Nigerian websites reported that London representatives were there to 
finalise a link with Kamp Afrika which runs educational retreats for young 
people.

But the mayor's office said it had given no approval or backing for any 
official link-up with Kamp Afrika.

As a senior employee Ms Emodi would be required to clear any official 
business in advance, or with private trips declare on the register of 
interest that she had received free flights and accommodation.

Honest answers

Ms Emodi was formally questioned about the trip by the Greater London 
Authority (GLA) when the BBC made enquiries last week.

In a statement released on 15 January the GLA said: "Rosemary Emodi has 
never visited La Campagne Tropicana and neither has any other representative 
of the GLA".

But when the BBC presented the latest evidence of her trip, the mayor's 
office said her statement was untrue and she had resigned.

A spokesperson said: "It has now become clear that the formal statement made 
by Rosemary Emodi was untrue. She has resigned with immediate effect."

The GLA said there was "no suggestion GLA funds were used for the trip" but 
all staff were required to honestly answer questions put to them.

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Would-be MP admits hopes dashed A councillor who wanted to succeed John 
Prescott as MP for Hull East has admitted his hopes have been shattered 
after his arrest for gross indecency.

Police in Belfast bailed Steven Bayes, 45, and sent a file to the 
prosecutor.

The former chair of Humberside Police Authority has also been suspended by 
his local Labour party.

Speaking of his career, he told BBC Radio Humberside: "It is not going to be 
easy to revive it unless something miraculous happens, which is unlikely."

Mr Bayes was considered a leading candidate to replace the former deputy 
prime minister, who will not be seeking re-election at the next general 
election.

The councillor was arrested and bailed by police in Northern Ireland in 
December and was given unconditional police when he reported back on 
Thursday.

He is a Labour member of Hull City Council, representing the Orchard Park 
and Greenwood ward.

As part of the investigation, Humberside Police searched the Labour Party 
offices and lounge at Hull's Guildhall, on behalf of the Police Service of 
Northern Ireland.

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Labour MP Charged With Criminal Damage

Updated:07:13, Saturday April 19, 2008

A Labour MP has been arrested and charged with criminal damage.

Rob Marris, MP for Wolverhampton South West, is accused of causing damage to 
a white van at a bus stop in Wolverhampton.

Marris denies charge

The MP, a former solicitor, denies climbing over the bonnet of a parked van 
to board a bus in Jeffcock Road, Penn Fields, last month.

Mr Marris, 53, said: "I have no comment to make.

"This is a personal matter which has no bearing on my parliamentary duties 
and the law must quite properly take its course.

"I intend to plead not guilty to this charge."

A West Midlands Police spokeswoman told the Express and Star newspaper: "A 
53-year-old man from Wolverhampton has been arrested on suspicion of causing 
criminal damage following an alleged incident at a bus stop in Jeffcock 
Road.

"He has now been charged with the offence."

Mr Marris was arrested and charged after attending Bilston Street police 
station at the request of police.

He is expected to appear before magistrates later this month.

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Councillor in child porn charge

A Labour councillor from Liverpool has been charged with downloading 
indecent images of children.

Ben Williams, 34, of Norris Green, was arrested by officers from Sefton 
Family Crime Unit last December.

He answered bail on Friday afternoon and after being questioned he was 
charged with 12 counts of making indecent images of children.

Mr Williams was released on bail and is due to appear before South Sefton 
magistrates on 8 May.

He agreed to suspend himself from the Labour party during the police 
investigation last year.

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Labours record over the last ten years

07 april 2008

Three jailed over rigged election

A former city mayor has been jailed for nine months after being convicted of 
vote-rigging.

Labour's Mohammed Choudhary, 49, former mayor of Peterborough, 
Cambridgeshire, was jailed at King's Lynn Crown Court.

Party candidate Maqbool Hussein, 52, was jailed for three months and Tariq 
Mahmood, 40, received a 15-month term.

All three from Peterborough, were convicted of forgery over a scheme to 
fabricate votes for the Peterborough city council election in June 2004.

The four-month case cost the taxpayer £850,000 and all three defendants were 
granted legal aid.

The judge ordered Choudhary to pay £20,000 towards his costs and Mahmood to 
pay £15,000. He did not make an order relating to Hussein.

Voter complaints

"They were able to get hold of postal and proxy votes which belonged to 
voters in the central ward," prosecuting QC Anthony Leonard said.

"They arranged for postal and ballot papers to be sent not to the voter but 
to addresses with which each defendant was connected."

Detectives began an inquiry after voters complained, jurors were told.

Choudhary and Hussein were Labour candidates in the election - and neither 
won seats despite the scam.

Mahmood was a local Labour party secretary.

Det Insp Ian Tandy said he was satisfied with the length of sentences.

"This hopefully will act as a deterrent and send out a message that election 
fraud will be investigated and prosecuted," he said.

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Published: 2008/04/07 18:16:01 GMT

This is the list of Labour achievements from New Liebours term in office



Nearly 18,600 inmates freed early Nearly 18,600 prisoners have been released 
early under emergency measures introduced last summer to tackle 
overcrowding, the government has said.

In January, 2,386 inmates were let out early, bringing the total number of 
early-release offenders in England and Wales since last June to 18,583.

Since then 367 alleged further crimes were committed by prisoners freed 
under the End of Custody Licence scheme.

The news comes as the number of inmates this week hit a record high of 
82,180.

'additional 400 police cells set aside to house convicted criminals were 
also filling up.


     OFFENCES COMMITTED BY THOSE FREED EARLY

      3,484 - violence

      1,730 - burglary

      790 - drug offences

      409 - robbery


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Feb 08 Truancy in England's schools rose to record levels last year, with 
about 63,000 pupils skipping class every day, Government figures suggest.

Nearly 273,000 pupils missed at least one day of school every week through 
truancy, illness and other reasons.This is after New Labour spent over £80 
million pounds in a dafgt campaign to try and stop it

Feb 08 LONDON (AFP) - Nearly 800,000 people from the eight countries that 
joined the European Union four years ago have since applied to work in 
Britain, government statistics said Tuesday.

Britain's interior ministry said there were 790,000 applicants from Poland, 
the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Slovenia and 
Slovakia between May 1, 2004 to the end of December last year.

The figures do not include the self-employed nor Romanians and Bulgarians, 
whose countries joined the EU on January 1 last year, increasing the number 
of member states to 27.

Of the 790,000 applications, 766,000 were approved. Some 214,510 work 
permits were granted in 2007, compared with 234,725 in 2006.

It is not known how many of those people remain in Britain, although British 
media reports suggest Poles in particular are now returning home in greater 
numbers.



Jan 22 08  Peter Hain forced to resign over dodgy donations totalling 
£103,000 exposed , he said it was an " error"

Jan21 Violent crime and gun crime figures rise yet again.

Jan 11th 2008 BBC news announces that over 13,700 prisoners have been 
released early from prison and that over 250 had committed further serious 
offences since being released.

Jan 08 It now transpires that Labour MP Peter Hain accepted 17 gifts of 
money and did not declare them, Hain first tried to say it was only £5000, 
but it now turns out to be over £100,000. BBC news

Jan 08 Labour scraps a computer system planned for recording the movement of 
prisoners after spending £500 million trying to get it to work.

Jan 08 Labour cabinet minister Peter Hain caught out twice of donations, 
first for not disclosing donations to him, then taking a back hander of 
£5000 from a finance company that specialises in lending to sub prime 
borrowers.

Jan 08 Labour govt decides not to bother deporting thousands of illegal 
immigrants who arrived as students but overstayed their visas.

Dec 07 Govt admits that after announcing 5000 illegal immigrants were 
working in the security industry, later amended to 11,000 they are forced to 
admit they even had one working on the front desk of the Home office

Dec 07 Govt admits to losing the details of 3 million motorists on a hard 
drive sent for processing to the United States

Dec 07 Mismanagement, cheating and bungling in the Benefits System has cost 
the tax payer £5.3 billion pounds in only two years according to the dept of 
works and pensions

Dec07 One person is murdered every week by a criminal on probation the govt 
admitted this week Daily Mail Dec 14

Dec 07 the stock markets slide continued today losing over 50 billion pounds 
in value after the UK govt pumped billions of tax payers pounds in to try 
are prop up the ailing economy

Dec 07 BBC News Victims of crime are waiting over 1 ½ years to receive 
compensation because of poor govt management of the CIC scheme.

Dec 07 Labour govt signed the new EU constitution without giving the British 
people the promised referendum,

Dec07 Thousands wrongly cleared to work

As many as 11,000 illegal immigrants may have been cleared for UK security 
jobs, the home secretary has told MPs.

Jacqui Smith said that after checks, it appeared 6,653 people were not 
allowed to work in the UK, and 4,447 others had not yet proved their right 
to do so.

Last month it was thought only 5,000 people had been wrongly cleared.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said something had gone "badly wrong", 
while Lib Dem Nick Clegg accused ministers of "spectacular mismanagement".





Dec 07 Labour govt backtrack on police pay award and only give them 1.9 % 
instead of the agreed 2.5%, Police ballot for the right to strike

Dec 07   Labour boasted it had created over 1 million new jobs in the last 
ten years, this week it transpires that 82% of all the new jobs went to 
immigrants

Nov 07 It turns out that the Labour govt covered up the news that 5000 
illegal immigrants had been cleared by the ISA to work in the security 
industry

Nov 07 presided overe the Northern Rock bank fiasco and put 40 billion of 
tax payers money at risk.

Nov 07  Govt lost the personal details   of 15 million people who claimed 
child benefits, Names, adresses, DOVs, NI numbers all lost on two discs, 
boss of revenue resigns

Labour Caught Fiddling Again
>> The Labour Party has launched an internal inquiry after questions were
>> raised over donations totalling almost £400,000 from two individuals.
>> Ray Ruddick and Janet Kidd are named by the Electoral Commission as 
>> having
>> donated large sums to the party over the past five years.
>>
>> But Mr Ruddick told the Mail on Sunday he knew nothing about the
>> donations - apart from an £80,000 gift in July.
>>
>> Labour said it was investigating the newspaper's claims.
>>
>> The Mail on Sunday reports that when it approached Mr Ruddick he 
>> initially
>> denied having given the party money and said neither he nor Mrs Kidd were
>> aware of the donations.
>>
>> In a later statement to the newspaper, Mr Rudd confirmed that he and Mrs
>> Kidd had each given £80,000 to the Labour Party on 10 July, but said the
>> donations were the first they had given to the party.
>>
>> 'Can't stand Labour'
>>
>> According to the Electoral Commission, Mr Ruddick has donated £196,850 
>> to  Labour and Mrs Kidd £185,000 since 2003. The cash came from property 
>> owner David Abrahams who was once taken to
> court for harassing tenants. He operated under a false name and was
> deselected as a Labour candidate after pretending he was married.
>
>>



Dec 07 Scottish Labour Caught  taking Money

Wendy Alexander's campaign for the Scottish Labour leadership broke the law 
by accepting money from a Jersey-based businessman.

Her campaign manager, Tom McCabe, accepted there was a clear breach of 
donation rules when a cheque for £950 was accepted from developer Paul 
Green.

The MSP who sought the donation, Charlie Gordon, has quit as Labour's 
transport spokesman at Holyrood.

The party has reported the matter to the Electoral Commission.





Nov 07  New Labour govt removes £100 million pounds from the learning for 
life program designed to help British people gain better employment skills 
and qualifications, but the same govt has not reduced any monies set aside 
for improving teaching skills in Africa

Nov 07 Immigrants having children in the UK, mainly from the Polish 
community are costing the tax payer £20 million a year according to the 
daily Mail Nov 26th. Remember this is the same Labour govt who assured us 
that no more than 15,000 migrants from eastern Europe would come to the UK 
when the numbers actually exceeded 700,000.


>>
>>     There is clearly something extremely unusual about all of this
>>      Chris Grayling, shadow work and pensions spokesman
>>
>> They are listed as having given the party £222,000 between them since
>> Gordon Brown became leader, making them Mr Brown's third biggest donors
>> after Lord Sainsbury and businessman Mahmoud Khayami.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7113255.stm
>
> Labour General secretary Peter Watt has resigned following the
> revelation that a property developer made donations to the party via two
> colleagues.
>
> Mr Watt told a meeting of officers of Labour's National Executive 
> Committee
> that he had known about the arrangement but not that it might be illegal.
>
> He added that he had always "prided myself on having complete integrity".
>>



Abolished mortgage tax relief

Abolished married mans tax allowance

In the first 8 years raised over 60 taxes even after promising to raise none 
at all.

Sold of a 1/3 of the UK gold reserve at less than half its value

Broke manifesto promise about Student fees

Broke Manifesto promise about selling off school playing fields

Raised over 60 taxes whilst promising not to raise any

Caused civil servants to strike

Nearly caused the police fire arms officers to refuse to carry guns

Started an unjust and illegal war in Iraq on the back of lying to the nation
about WMD.

Caused the unnecessary deaths of forces personal by not giving them the
protection they needed, not enough ammo, protection, medical supplies,
clothing, guns, boots, uniforms, etc

Drove the Fire Fighters to go on strike.

Caused the Police Service to try and gain the right to take industrial
action.

Screwed up Rail Privatisation .

Screwed up Railtrack.

Surrendered to the IRA . IRA still robbing banks, knee capping, extorting 
etc

Give IRA leaders Ministerial positions as reward for killing British
soldiers.

Freeing IRA murderers after only serving 18 months.

Oct/ Nov 07 IRA blamed for the shooting of two police officers in Ulster, 
years after Labour govt told us the IRA had disarmed.

Tried to give Gibraltar away against the wishes of the Brits and Gibraltans

Spend 40 billion extra on the NHS with no noticeable improvement in service

Allowed private finance hospitals be built that are not up to the job.

Allowed our soldiers to go to war with insufficient equipment after stating
to parliament and the nation that they were fully equipped to do the job.

Failed to deal with the Measles, Mumps and Rubella ( MMR) innoculation
crisis.

Let the social security budget go up by nearly 50 billion with no sign of
improvement in services.

Raised income tax, NI, Fuel tax's way above the rate of inflation.

Scrapping married couples tax allowance.

Let council tax bills go up by over 90% whilst inflation only came to 12% in
the same period.

Failed to raise pensions to cover the council tax rises thereby increasing
the poverty of our pensioners.

Forced pensioners to break the law to protest over the council tax

Caused the fuel lobby strike by grossly overtaxing the cost of petrol and
diesel .

Failed to check entry by hundreds of thousands of false asylum seekers

Did not deport the failed asylum seekers after applications to stay failed.

Failure to address race issues leading to northern race riots caused by the
extreme left SWP & ANL.

Refused to give the people a referendum over Europe and the euro

Let crime rates go up by more than 100% in 8 years (the worst types still
rising)

Cut defence spending at one point so badly warships could not afford
the fuel to go to sea

Encouraged the police service to concentrate on motorists not criminals

Caused the death of a government scientist.

Forced a wage settlement and contract change on Consultant doctors.

Flailed to deal with the repeat flooding problems affecting so many areas
due to global warming.

Failed to insure people trapped in high flood risk areas are either given
the right to insurance or given adequate protection from flooding

Blair promising to resign if crime was not reduced by Sept 02, then refusing
to go when the reduction failed to materialise.

Causing Chaos over the legality issues around Cannabis.

Letting illegal immigrants cost us 100 million on Aids Treatment.

Let asylum seekers costs exceed 1 billion pounds.

Putting someone in charge as children's minister who oversaw the blocking of
protective investigations into child abuse.

Letting London become the TB capital of the world.

Labour MPs tried to close down Grammer  and private schools to the public 
whilst sending own kids to fee paying schools .

Letting the BSE disaster run totally out of control wrecking the farming and
tourism industries.

Oversaw the foot and mouth fiasco which saw the disease rampage across the 
countryside destroying millions of animals and ruining thousands of 
companies.

Tried to pass control of British military forces to the EU.

Letting thousands of service jobs go to Asia.

Allowed millions of pensioners to be left without full pensions because of
scheme windups.

Trying to create regional assemblies that will simply add another level of
taxation and burocracy to the state system.

Let old folks homes close due to lack of money only for funds to be found to
reopen the buildings for asylum seekers.

Let at least 2000 patients be turfed off a surgeries waiting list , then the
surgery reopening to serve only asylum seekers in Stockton on tees.

Wasted millions on the Millenium dome and its still costs £250,000 per month
to keep empty.

Crippled the buffering effect of the House of Lords by loading it in their
favour.

The peoples peers fantasy.

Allowed Scots MPs to vote on English Issues but not vice versa.

Giving priority under the law to asylum seekers with slight disabilities to
get priority over British nationals on the council house waiting list.

Causing the Child Support Agency fiasco where fathers were wrongly
persecuted and mother left with no money.

Causing the Air Traffic control privatisation fiasco.

1998

Labours Peter Mandelson caught red handed.

Mr Mandelson had come under increasing pressure over the issue since the 
weekend following claims he pulled strings to help Mr Hinduja secure a UK 
passport after he pledged £1m in sponsorship for the Millennium Dome while 
Mr Mandelson was in charge of the project.

Mr Mandelson was first forced to quit from the cabinet in 1998 after failing 
to disclose that he had secretly received a £373,000 loan from his then 
fellow minister Geoffrey Robinson to buy a house in London.

Mr Mandelson's second resignation has sent shockwaves across Westminster and 
through the Labour Party, coming as politicians prepare for the next general 
election.



Allowing building on Green belt areas.

Allowing building on Flood plains without adequate protection schemes then
refusing to help home owners who are flooded out.

Building more motorways and bypasses after promising to find alternative
green options.

Not even trying to build any l