On Jul 24, 11:51 pm, Paul C  wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
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>  wrote:
> >On Jul 24, 9:52 pm, Paul C  wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
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> >>  wrote:
> >> >On Jul 24, 9:11 am, Paul C  wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
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> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >On Jul 24, 12:40 am, Paul C  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:19:54 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
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> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Jul 23, 10:39 pm, Paul C  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:31:29 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
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> >> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/7520118.stm
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> >> >> >> >> >Looks like drugs are the cause and not "deprivation" as once thought
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> >> >> >> >> How do you come to that conclusion? The article states that 1/3 of the
> >> >> >> >> excess of deaths compared to England could be due to drug abuse. It
> >> >> >> >> has nothing to say on the remaining two thirds of excess deaths.
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> >> >> >> >I beg your pardon.
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> >> >> >> >"Many drug-related deaths were not recorded as such. They included
> >> >> >> >deaths associated with infections, assaults and suicides which could
> >> >> >> >be linked to a drug-taking lifestyle, and which could account for much
> >> >> >> >of the excess Scottish mortality rate."
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> >> >> >> What bit of:
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> >> >> >> "A Glasgow University study, published in the British Medical Journal,
> >> >> >> said a third of the additional deaths north of the Border resulted
> >> >> >> from drug abuse."
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> >> >> >> don't you understand?
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> >> >> >And why did you ignore the paragraph I posted ? You have selective
> >> >> >understanding Paul.
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> >> >> There's nothing particularly selective in pointing out that the
> >> >> academic who has carried out the research states that 1/3 of the
> >> >> excess may be down to drugs abuse.
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> >> >> How anyone can claim, from that, that deprivation is not a cause of
> >> >> excess deaths, is beyond me.
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> >> >> Logic clearly isn't one of your strengths.
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> >> >And pursuing a balanced discussion appears to be beyond you Paul. Did
> >> >you notice the fact that I wrote "deprivation" thus ? Did you notice
> >> >this line from the article, which I was alluding to: "Higher death
> >> >rates have traditionally been blamed on deprivation"
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> >> >So just what are you saying Paul ? Are you saying the other two-thirds
> >> >is down to deprivation or not ?
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> >> As I was saying - logic isn't one of your strengths.
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> >> Your initial claim was
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> >> "Looks like drugs are the cause and not "deprivation" as once thought"
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> >> No sane person can draw such a conclusion from the evidence presented.
> >> 1/3 of excess deaths may be accounted for by drug abuse. As I have
> >> already said, the report has nothing to say on the remaining 2/3 of
> >> excess deaths. You however have dismissed deprivation as an
> >> explanation.
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> >> Do you get it yet?
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> >And it appears as if your comprehension skills are somewhat lacking
> >Paul. The report has plenty to say about other deaths as well you
> >know. It goes on to state that there are probably of deaths which are
> >indirectly related to drug use.
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> It says no such thing.
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> What  it says is
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> "Scotland's higher death rate compared with England and Wales is
> partly down to greater drug use"
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> "Glasgow University study, published in the British Medical Journal,
> said a third of the additional deaths north of the Border resulted
> from drug abuse."
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>  As for the deprivation remark I was
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> >quoting what was said in the article.

It is not me is lying Paul. This is what the article says:

"Glasgow University researchers, who studied more than 1,000 problem
users starting treatment, said the problem in Scotland was
proportionately twice as bad as that in England and Wales - but many
drug-related deaths were not recorded as such.
They included deaths associated with infections, assaults and suicides
which could be linked to a drug-taking lifestyle, and which could
account for much of the excess Scottish mortality rate"