On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
 wrote:

>On Jul 24, 9:52 pm, Paul C  wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 24, 9:11 am, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 24, 12:40 am, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:19:54 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jul 23, 10:39 pm, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:31:29 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/7520118.stm
>>
>> >> >> >> >Looks like drugs are the cause and not "deprivation" as once thought
>>
>> >> >> >> How do you come to that conclusion? The article states that 1/3 of the
>> >> >> >> excess of deaths compared to England could be due to drug abuse. It
>> >> >> >> has nothing to say on the remaining two thirds of excess deaths.
>>
>> >> >> >I beg your pardon.
>>
>> >> >> >"Many drug-related deaths were not recorded as such. They included
>> >> >> >deaths associated with infections, assaults and suicides which could
>> >> >> >be linked to a drug-taking lifestyle, and which could account for much
>> >> >> >of the excess Scottish mortality rate."
>>
>> >> >> What bit of:
>>
>> >> >> "A Glasgow University study, published in the British Medical Journal,
>> >> >> said a third of the additional deaths north of the Border resulted
>> >> >> from drug abuse."
>>
>> >> >> don't you understand?
>>
>> >> >And why did you ignore the paragraph I posted ? You have selective
>> >> >understanding Paul.
>>
>> >> There's nothing particularly selective in pointing out that the
>> >> academic who has carried out the research states that 1/3 of the
>> >> excess may be down to drugs abuse.
>>
>> >> How anyone can claim, from that, that deprivation is not a cause of
>> >> excess deaths, is beyond me.
>>
>> >> Logic clearly isn't one of your strengths.
>>
>> >And pursuing a balanced discussion appears to be beyond you Paul. Did
>> >you notice the fact that I wrote "deprivation" thus ? Did you notice
>> >this line from the article, which I was alluding to: "Higher death
>> >rates have traditionally been blamed on deprivation"
>>
>> >So just what are you saying Paul ? Are you saying the other two-thirds
>> >is down to deprivation or not ?
>>
>> As I was saying - logic isn't one of your strengths.
>>
>> Your initial claim was
>>
>> "Looks like drugs are the cause and not "deprivation" as once thought"
>>
>> No sane person can draw such a conclusion from the evidence presented.
>> 1/3 of excess deaths may be accounted for by drug abuse. As I have
>> already said, the report has nothing to say on the remaining 2/3 of
>> excess deaths. You however have dismissed deprivation as an
>> explanation.
>>
>> Do you get it yet?
>
>And it appears as if your comprehension skills are somewhat lacking
>Paul. The report has plenty to say about other deaths as well you
>know. It goes on to state that there are probably of deaths which are
>indirectly related to drug use.

It says no such thing.

What  it says is

"Scotland's higher death rate compared with England and Wales is
partly down to greater drug use"

"Glasgow University study, published in the British Medical Journal,
said a third of the additional deaths north of the Border resulted
from drug abuse."


 As for the deprivation remark I was
>quoting what was said in the article.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
 wrote:

>On Jul 24, 11:51 pm, Paul C  wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:20:34 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On Jul 24, 9:52 pm, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:34:16 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 24, 9:11 am, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:38 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jul 24, 12:40 am, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:19:54 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Jul 23, 10:39 pm, Paul C  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:31:29 -0700 (PDT), Jellore
>>
>> >> >> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/7520118.stm
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Looks like drugs are the cause and not "deprivation" as once thought
>>
>> >> >> >> >> How do you come to that conclusion? The article states that 1/3 of the
>> >> >> >> >> excess of deaths compared to England could be due to drug abuse. It
>> >> >> >> >> has nothing to say on the remaining two thirds of excess deaths.
>>
>> >> >> >> >I beg your pardon.
>>
>> >> >> >> >"Many drug-related deaths were not recorded as such. They included
>> >> >> >> >deaths associated with infections, assaults and suicides which could
>> >> >> >> >be linked to a drug-taking lifestyle, and which could account for much
>> >> >> >> >of the excess Scottish mortality rate."
>>
>> >> >> >> What bit of:
>>
>> >> >> >> "A Glasgow University study, published in the British Medical Journal,
>> >> >> >> said a third of the additional deaths north of the Border resulted
>> >> >> >> from drug abuse."
>>
>> >> >> >> don't you understand?
>>
>> >> >> >And why did you ignore the paragraph I posted ? You have selective
>> >> >> >understanding Paul.
>>
>> >> >> There's nothing particularly selective in pointing out that the
>> >> >> academic who has carried out the research states that 1/3 of the
>> >> >> excess may be down to drugs abuse.
>>
>> >> >> How anyone can claim, from that, that deprivation is not a cause of
>> >> >> excess deaths, is beyond me.
>>
>> >> >> Logic clearly isn't one of your strengths.
>>
>> >> >And pursuing a balanced discussion appears to be beyond you Paul. Did
>> >> >you notice the fact that I wrote "deprivation" thus ? Did you notice
>> >> >this line from the article, which I was alluding to: "Higher death
>> >> >rates have traditionally been blamed on deprivation"
>>
>> >> >So just what are you saying Paul ? Are you saying the other two-thirds
>> >> >is down to deprivation or not ?
>>
>> >> As I was saying - logic isn't one of your strengths.
>>
>> >> Your initial claim was
>>
>> >> "Looks like drugs are the cause and not "deprivation" as once thought"
>>
>> >> No sane person can draw such a conclusion from the evidence presented.
>> >> 1/3 of excess deaths may be accounted for by drug abuse. As I have
>> >> already said, the report has nothing to say on the remaining 2/3 of
>> >> excess deaths. You however have dismissed deprivation as an
>> >> explanation.
>>
>> >> Do you get it yet?
>>
>> >And it appears as if your comprehension skills are somewhat lacking
>> >Paul. The report has plenty to say about other deaths as well you
>> >know. It goes on to state that there are probably of deaths which are
>> >indirectly related to drug use.
>>
>> It says no such thing.
>>
>> What  it says is
>>
>> "Scotland's higher death rate compared with England and Wales is
>> partly down to greater drug use"
>>
>> "Glasgow University study, published in the British Medical Journal,
>> said a third of the additional deaths north of the Border resulted
>> from drug abuse."
>>
>>  As for the deprivation remark I was
>>
>> >quoting what was said in the article.
>
>It is not me is lying Paul. This is what the article says:
>
>"Glasgow University researchers, who studied more than 1,000 problem
>users starting treatment, said the problem in Scotland was
>proportionately twice as bad as that in England and Wales - but many
>drug-related deaths were not recorded as such.
>They included deaths associated with infections, assaults and suicides
>which could be linked to a drug-taking lifestyle, and which could
>account for much of the excess Scottish mortality rate"
>
Where's the bit about deprivation note being a cause? I don't see it.