On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:40:52 -0400, "Scout"
 wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>> "Devil's Advocate" <Devil's_Advocate@devil.xxx> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>> http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/10/hows-that-gun-control-
>>>>>>>>>>>> working-out-for.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, October 23, 2009
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that Gun Control Working Out for You?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Britain now has some of the toughest gun laws in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>> recognize that only the strictest control of firearms will
>>>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> public.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    -- Home Office Minister Alun Michael, 11/3/97 press
>>>>>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was right after passage of the handgun ban.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Today?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Armed officers placed on routine foot patrol for first
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And not just any guns, either!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Police officers armed with submachine guns are to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> deployed
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> routine patrol of Britain's streets for the first time. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> hand-picked
>>>>>>>>>>>> team from CO19, the Metropolitan Police's elite firearms
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>>>>> the beat in gun crime hotspots where armed gangs have
>>>>>>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> estates into "no go" zones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Local politicians and anti-gun campaigners have reacted
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> anger
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the news that the officers will carry Heckler & Koch MP5
>>>>>>>>>>>> submachine
>>>>>>>>>>>> guns
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And rightly so! They should be carrying UMPs in .40cal!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - capable of firing up to 800 rounds-per-minute
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Except they can't really do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - and Glock semi- automatic pistols.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This, in a country where at least one media outlet called
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> full-auto
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glock 18 pistol the Most Terrifying Gun in the World!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why? What was so scary about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> "There's no shortcut to anywhere worth going".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Firearm death rate:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> United States                   11.66/ 100,000
>>>>>>>>>> England/ Wales                 0.38/ 100,000
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 11.66/ 0.38 = 30.68
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are over 30 times more likely to die from a gunshot in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>> States
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only if it's self inflicted. You really should not have
>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>> suicides in
>>>>>>>>> your data.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will simply note your source is a highly slanted site
>>>>>>>>> pushing
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>> political agenda and will massage the statistics to suit
>>>>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>>>> Such as
>>>>>>>>> including suicides (which are meanings independent) in the
>>>>>>>>> statistics as if
>>>>>>>>> the gun is somehow responsible for being chosen as the means.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> Got a website that shows Great Britain with more forearms
>>>>>>>> deaths
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> the USA?
>>>>>>>> I'll be pleased to see such
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I will simply note you totally ignore the point being made,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> instead attempt to change the subject.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> My point stands.
>>>>>
>>>>> That you can't show that guns are responsible and you wnat to
>>>>> blame
>>>>> the means rather than the cause.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me that the United States is not the MOST dangerous country
>>>>>> regarding firearm deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fail to see how the desire to kill oneself should be blamed on
>>>>> the
>>>>> means used.
>>>>>
>>>>> As such, I simply don't see the danger you imply exists from guns.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I say it is the most dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can say the sky is green as well, but that doesn't make it
>>>>> true.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He equivocates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I'm simply pointing out that serious suicide has been shown
>>>>> to
>>>>> be means independent as such the rate of serious suicide is in no
>>>>> manner governed by the presence or absence of any particular means
>>>>> but rather is caused by something else entirely and attempting to
>>>>> cast blame upon the means is to state that you the cause isn't
>>>>> relevent to you, only the blood they provide to push a particular
>>>>> political agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, and surprise, that's exactly what you, and your source, is
>>>>> doing. Trying to blame those deaths on the presence of guns, when
>>>>> the reality is nothing could be further from the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> I want you to tell me why the United States has to be 30 time more
>>>> dangerous than the UK regarding firearms deaths.
>>>
>>> Social, economic, cultural and political differences.
>>>
>>> You know, the things that actually cause crime, murder, and suicide.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> 30 Times?
>
>Certainly.
>
>>
>> The simple presence of an estimated 200,000,000 to 300,000,000
>> firearms in the United States has no bearing, in your opinion?
>
>Nope, because a gun doesn't cause someone to chose to murder, to engage in 
>crime or to commit suicide. To do so, is to accept the rather stupid idea 
>that an inanimate object has the power to cause people to do things.

His tooth brush talks to him and tells him to kill. But guns are bad.
I say we ban tooth brushes cause they are homicidal. In England they
can't even carry a 3 inch knife in their pocket so they keep sharp
pencils to kill each other with. In Oakland California sharpened
pencils carried concealed are considered a concealed weapon. I don't
think it would be a bad idea to arm all the niggers with machetes
and ak47's and let them kill each other off. Of course I'm just a
racist cause I want them to be all that they can be.

>Certainly you aren't suggesting that guns give off some sort of mysterious 
>Mind Control Ray (tm) that causes people to kill themselves and others, are 
>you?
>
>If not, then all you are doing is looking at the instrumentality, not the 
>cause.
>


==
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guilt has made humanity blind to the true
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