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Firstly, this is a case of 'American Police Negligence' and not 'American 
Gun Madness' as you subject heading suggests.

As for this shooting. I can't believe the Police have been cleared of any 
wrong doing. What a bloody joke!!!

I hope this family gets that 6 million dollars from their civil action 
against the Police, as they deserve every bloody cent after suffering this 
appalling act of Police negligence.

It's interesting how this news article (below) alleges that the Police in 
this case attempted to cover up the shooting when there conversation were 
caught the 911 tape.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm

Chris

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> 
> "¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote in message
> news:7jc1qbF32t7agU1@mid.individual.net...
>> http://www.cnn.com/video/
#/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn
> 
> Firstly, this is a case of 'American Police Negligence' and not 'American 
> Gun Madness' as you subject heading suggests.
> 
> As for this shooting. I can't believe the Police have been cleared of any 
> wrongdoing. What a bloody joke!!!

    Agreed. It makes zero sense. They are caught on tape with deliberate 
wrongdoing, not to mention the blatant negligence.
 
> I hope this family gets that 6 million dollars from their civil action 
> against the Police, as they deserve every bloody cent after suffering this 
> appalling act of Police negligence.

    Even tho I am in complete sympathy with the family, I don't like the way 
the woman is doing what she's doing. She comes off as less than sincere and 
appears to be building her case, not responding honestly to questions. I 
suspect her lawyer has coached her in this, but if not, he should rein her in. 
The jury might be less sympathetic if they see her as after the money.

    And yes, I know how that sounds. In fact I would give her more than she's 
asking for.
 
> It's interesting how this news article (below) alleges that the Police in 
> this case attempted to cover up the shooting when there conversation were 
> caught the 911 tape.
> 
> http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911
_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm


    This is the most bizarre story I've heard in a long time. Why would they 
drag a wounded person out of the house, thru gravel and throw him on the hood 
and drive around with him there? They wouldn't treat a guilty party like that, 
let alone an innocent citizen. I wish I could say the coverup surprises me, 
but that's just standard cop procedure.

   If I were on the jury I would give these people a lot more thn the six 
million they asked for.

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:52:47 +1100, "Chris Diesel" 
wrote:

|>
|>"¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote in message
|>news:7jc1qbF32t7agU1@mid.individual.net...
|>> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn
|>
|>Firstly, this is a case of 'American Police Negligence' and not 'American 
|>Gun Madness' as you subject heading suggests.
|>
|>As for this shooting. I can't believe the Police have been cleared of any 
|>wrong doing. What a bloody joke!!!
|>
|>I hope this family gets that 6 million dollars from their civil action 
|>against the Police, as they deserve every bloody cent after suffering this 
|>appalling act of Police negligence.
|>
|>It's interesting how this news article (below) alleges that the Police in 
|>this case attempted to cover up the shooting when there conversation were 
|>caught the 911 tape.
|>
|>http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm
|>
|>Chris
|>
|>


	Clever aren't they, they are the ultimate proof that "absolute power
corrupts absolutely" ....they have no common sense area beyond a coward's
achievements so far....

	Gangs are gangs, whether white blue black red/white
colors/Cop/Crook, safety in numbers, a gun/badge/patch to hide behind, is
surely not a Vakyrie.....you stand alone you stand forever as a God, in the
hereafter as well....but even then it's hard to be top "dog" forever.

	You stand in an offensive gun gang and you stand as "yellow" as they
get....a coward for personal profit, just another gutless wonder.......a
PUNK, and a threat to public safety.

	Very often it is necessary to be in a gang to even out the odds in
lieu of dying for a 2 bit punk from a gun gang who isn't worth wasting your
knuckles on or burning in public.

Bob 

	
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:52:47 +1100, "Chris Diesel" 
wrote:

|>
|>It's interesting how this news article (below) alleges that the Police in 
|>this case attempted to cover up the shooting when there conversation were 
|>caught the 911 tape.
|>
|>http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm

	This part is just another Pearl Harbor Dec/1941 or WTC 9/11 that
says we can lie all we want, and YOU the unarmed Civy can't so anything
about it, unless YOU want your balls blown away by our new
Microwave/Sonic/Hot lead/Taser weaponry that WE bought with YOUR tax dollar.

	That is why nobody likes to pay taxes, it's like being made  fool
of, those Indian "Red Cards" must be useful these days....maybe get one and
even out the odds.
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:52:47 +1100, "Chris Diesel" 
wrote:

|>> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn
|>
|>Firstly, this is a case of 'American Police Negligence' and not 'American 
|>Gun Madness' as you subject heading suggests.


	I think that can also bitterly should read American "Police" Gun
Madness....which is a defacto standard these days......big gangs big guns
big egos, small brains/no common sense.

	I notice they slap their chests, and don't beat it with a fist,
maybe they are different gang styles....actually I'd have a hard time
understanding the Crips/Bloods hand/finger lingo.....
	I doubt if this generation of them understand it either, it would
just look like "Morse Code" to them.

	So, the trend today, is to burn somebody's ass in public, that seems
to be a big favorite amongst the punk gun gangs that riddle the streets with
ot lead,.....definately not your Para/Police/Guvmint Persecuted  Shooting
Range Paper Punching types.

Bob
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Yeah. We need to get rid of these rogue cops and let the citizens take over
law enforcement.


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>

In talk.politics.guns "Jim"  wrote:

>Yeah. We need to get rid of these rogue cops and let the citizens take over
>law enforcement.
>
>
>"¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote in message
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>> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn
>> 

Whose bright idea was it to give guns to cops?

"Jim"  wrote in message 
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> Yeah. We need to get rid of these rogue cops and let the citizens take 
> over
> law enforcement.

So what's stopping you?

>
>
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> "Chris Diesel"  wrote in news:4ad11e51$0$6094
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>>
>> "¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote in message
>> news:7jc1qbF32t7agU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> http://www.cnn.com/video/
> #/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn
>>
>> Firstly, this is a case of 'American Police Negligence' and not 'American
>> Gun Madness' as you subject heading suggests.
>>
>> As for this shooting. I can't believe the Police have been cleared of any
>> wrongdoing. What a bloody joke!!!
>
>    Agreed. It makes zero sense. They are caught on tape with deliberate
> wrongdoing, not to mention the blatant negligence.
>
>> I hope this family gets that 6 million dollars from their civil action
>> against the Police, as they deserve every bloody cent after suffering
>> this
>> appalling act of Police negligence.
>
>    Even tho I am in complete sympathy with the family, I don't like the
> way
> the woman is doing what she's doing. She comes off as less than sincere
> and
> appears to be building her case, not responding honestly to questions. I
> suspect her lawyer has coached her in this, but if not, he should rein her
> in.
> The jury might be less sympathetic if they see her as after the money.

Yes, I see your point. But one could hardly blame her, as this civil action 
appears to be her only avenue to bring some sort of justice to this 
incident.

>    And yes, I know how that sounds. In fact I would give her more than
> she's
> asking for.
>
>> It's interesting how this news article (below) alleges that the Police in
>> this case attempted to cover up the shooting when there conversation were
>> caught the 911 tape.
>>
>> http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911
> _Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm
>
>
>    This is the most bizarre story I've heard in a long time. Why would
> they
> drag a wounded person out of the house, thru gravel and throw him on the
> hood
> and drive around with him there? They wouldn't treat a guilty party like
> that,
> let alone an innocent citizen. I wish I could say the coverup surprises
> me,
> but that's just standard cop procedure.

Yes, bizarre is a good word to describe this whole incident. Even if this 
shooting was somehow justifiable. The way he was treated after the shooting 
was appalling. Even if the officers were still unsure of who was who. Once 
they had neutralised the danger. Basic first aid training tells you to treat 
the wounds and stabilise the wounded person. Dragging him about the place 
like they did is unbelievably stupid.

Police should must never assume the person with the weapon is the bad guy
and should only shoot when their own life or the life of another is in
imminent danger. Twenty years ago, when I was in the police, I attended a
report of a stabbing in a nearby park. On arrival my partner and I
encounter a man holding another man a knife point. The apparent victim was 
on
the ground and bleeding heavily from a knife wound to his lower leg. As it
turned out. The wounded person had attempted to rob this
guy and his girlfriend at knife point and in self defense he had produced 
his
own knife. During the ensuring struggle, the offender was wounded. Not
everything is black and white.

>   If I were on the jury I would give these people a lot more thn the six
> million they asked for.

Lets hope others feel the same way

Chris

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>> "Chris Diesel"  wrote in news:4ad11e51$0$6094
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>>
>>>
>>> "¦ Reality Check© ¦"  wrote in message
>>> news:7jc1qbF32t7agU1@mid.individual.net... 
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/video/
>>>> #/video/crime/2009/10/09/pn.cop.shoots.homeowner.cnn 
>>>
>>> Firstly, this is a case of 'American Police Negligence' and not 'American
>>> Gun Madness' as you subject heading suggests.
>>>
>>> As for this shooting. I can't believe the Police have been cleared of any
>>> wrongdoing. What a bloody joke!!! 
>>
>>    Agreed. It makes zero sense. They are caught on tape with deliberate
>> wrongdoing, not to mention the blatant negligence.
>>
>>> I hope this family gets that 6 million dollars from their civil action
>>> against the Police, as they deserve every bloody cent after suffering
>>> this appalling act of Police negligence. 
>>
>>    Even tho I am in complete sympathy with the family, I don't like the
>>    way 
>> the woman is doing what she's doing. She comes off as less than sincere
>> and appears to be building her case, not responding honestly to questions.
>> I suspect her lawyer has coached her in this, but if not, he should rein
>> her in. The jury might be less sympathetic if they see her as after the
>> money. 
> 
> Yes, I see your point. But one could hardly blame her, as this civil action 
> appears to be her only avenue to bring some sort of justice to this 
> incident.
> 
>>    And yes, I know how that sounds. In fact I would give her more than
>>    she's 
>> asking for.
>>
>>> It's interesting how this news article (below) alleges that the Police in
>>> this case attempted to cover up the shooting when there conversation were
>>> caught the 911 tape.
>>>
>>> http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911
>> _Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm
>>
>>
>>    This is the most bizarre story I've heard in a long time. Why would
>>    they 
>> drag a wounded person out of the house, thru gravel and throw him on the
>> hood and drive around with him there? They wouldn't treat a guilty party
>> like that, let alone an innocent citizen. I wish I could say the coverup
>> surprises me, but that's just standard cop procedure. 
> 
> Yes, bizarre is a good word to describe this whole incident. Even if this 
> shooting was somehow justifiable. The way he was treated after the shooting 
> was appalling. Even if the officers were still unsure of who was who. Once 
> they had neutralised the danger. Basic first aid training tells you to treat 
> the wounds and stabilise the wounded person. Dragging him about the place 
> like they did is unbelievably stupid.
> 
> Police should must never assume the person with the weapon is the bad guy
> and should only shoot when their own life or the life of another is in
> imminent danger. Twenty years ago, when I was in the police, I attended a
> report of a stabbing in a nearby park. On arrival my partner and I
> encounter a man holding another man a knife point. The apparent victim was 
> on
> the ground and bleeding heavily from a knife wound to his lower leg. As it
> turned out. The wounded person had attempted to rob this
> guy and his girlfriend at knife point and in self defense he had produced 
> his
> own knife. During the ensuring struggle, the offender was wounded. Not
> everything is black and white.
> 
>>   If I were on the jury I would give these people a lot more thn the six
>>   million they asked for. 
> 
> Lets hope others feel the same way

    Let's hope at least twelve others do. There's nothing worse in my opinion 
than a bad cop, especially when they band together like this batch did. The 
only shame here will be that it is the city's taxpayers who pay the bill for 
them. Otherwise I'd say give the couple fifty mill. The homeowner should spend 
the rest of his life laughing at these cops from a life of luxury. Six million 
isn't enough, given his future medical problems.


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