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>
> Tuesday, June 02, 2009
>
> OUTRAGE:  Chicago Gun Ban UPHELD;
>    Court says "Heller" ruling by Supreme Court
>         not applicable to states or municipalities !
>
>
>
> June 2 (TRN) -- American gun owners have been put in spectacular jeopardy 
> by a
> federal court ruling that enables states or cities to ban all -- ALL --
> firearms ownership! A Chicago ordinance banning handguns and automatic 
> weapons
> within city limits was upheld by a U.S. Court of Appeals panel, which 
> rejected
> a challenge by the National Rifle Association.
>
> Right about now, you're probably thinking these Judges are liberal, 
> activist
> Judges. Not true. One was appointed by Gerald Ford, the other two by 
> Ronald
> Reagan.
>
> The unanimous three-judge panel ruled today that a U.S. Supreme Court 
> decision
> last year, in the case "District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S. Ct. 2783
> (2008)" which recognized an individual right to bear arms under the U.S.
> Constitution's Second Amendment, doesn't apply to states and 
> municipalities.
>
> The court said the Heller case dealt with laws passed under federal 
> authority,
> not state authority. As such an individual's federal "right to keep and 
> bear
> arms" not not extend to rights under state or local laws!
>
> That's not all. The Decision by the court states that "some" of the first 
> 10
> Amendments to the Constitution (Commonly known as "The Bill of Rights") 
> "do
> not apply to the states" while others, do!
>
> Lastly, the Court ruling says that ideals that were important in the 
> 1780's
> when the Constitution was adopted, should give way to more contemporary 
> views.
>
> COMMENTARY:
>
> This is the most spectacular act of judicial malfeasance I have ever
> witnessed. Yes, I said malfeasance (intentionally bad) rather than 
> misfeasance
> (accidentally bad).
>
> The Supreme Court interpretation of the Second Amendment is what 
> overturned
> the gun ban in Washington DC. Whoever enacted that law mattered not. A 
> "ban"
> on gun possession was unconstitutional, period.
>
> Chicago has a ban on gun ownership and based upon the interpretation of 
> the
> Second Amendment in the Washington, DC case, a ban is still 
> Unconstitutional
> -- no matter who enacted such a ban.
>
> For these Judges to say a ban by the feds is unconstitutional under the 
> Second
> Amendment but a ban by the states is permissible under that same Second
> Amendment, is not only absurd, it puts every gun owner in the nation at 
> risk
> of his own state or local government banning gun ownership.
>
> Instead of peaceful gun-rights efforts targeted at a single entity, the 
> U.S.
> Congress, the political battlefield has just been opened to 50 state
> legislatures , 3,141 counties and county equivalents within the 50 States 
> and
> the District of Columbia. They are categorized as follows:
> 3,007 entities named "County"
> 16 Boroughs in Alaska
> 11 Census Areas in Alaska (for areas not organized into Boroughs by the 
> State)
> 64 Parishes in Louisiana
> 42 Independent Cities (1 in Maryland, 1 in Missouri, 1 in Nevada, and the
> remainder in Virginia)
> 1 District - the Federal District or District of Columbia.
>
> It gets worse. Inside those counties are:
>
> 19,429 municipalities;
> 16,504 townships;
> 35,052 special districts; and
> 13,506 independent school districts.
>
> Do the math and you now find that instead of having to deal with one 
> national
> political entity, Congress, Gun owners must now face off with around 
> 78,000
> other governments at the state, county and municipal level. How's THAT for
> stacking the deck against us?
>
> This decision by the Seventh U.S. Circuit court of Appeals was absolutely
> political in its intent. It was specifically designed to break apart the
> "powerful gun lobby" and force us to square off with tens of thousands of
> additional government bodies.
>
> We law-abiding gun owners defeated the opponents at the national level and 
> now
> this single court has changed the rules. Now, instead of one national
> political target, we have just been put potentially at odds with literally
> tens of thousands of other governments!
>
> The federal Judges at both the District Court and now at the Federal 
> Circuit
> Court of Appeals have intentionally ignored the common language of the 
> Second
> Amendment and have now intentionally ignored a clear ruling by the US 
> Supreme
> Court on the matter.
>
> All the years of peaceful legal challenges; all the years of peaceful 
> appeals;
> all the years of peacefully and lawfully lobbying federal and state
> legislators, to achieve the penultimate goal of finally interpreting the
> meaning of the Second Amendment, only to have it all thrown in the trash 
> by
> three Appellate Judges in a manner so sleazy and cunning as to deserve the
> ultimate response.
>
> This is what happens folks, when YOU play by the rules. Government does 
> not.
>
> This is what happens when YOU have faith in the system. The government 
> laughs
> at your blissful ignorance.
>
> This is what happens when YOU believe the government is honorable. Our 
> present
> government is not.
>
> The government - and especially these three Judges - are cunning, 
> ruthless,
> untrustworthy, disloyal, unpatriotic, deceitful scum. Their entire reason 
> for
> existing is to accrue unto themselves, power over everything.
>
> The only thing that has ever stood in the way of their achieving ultimate
> power is the fact that We The People have guns. Now, that is very much in
> jeopardy.
>
> Government lies, cheats, manipulates, twists and outright disobeys the 
> supreme
> law and founding documents of this land because they have not, in our
> lifetime, faced REAL free men willing to walk up to them and kill them for
> their defiance and disobedience.
>
> Thomas Jefferson, one of our Founding Fathers, told us "The tree of 
> liberty
> must be replenished from time to time with the blood of tyrants and 
> patriots."
> It is time to replenish the tree!
>
> Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be 
> killed.
> Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to 
> assure
> freedom for millions.
>
> This is not the first politically-motivated trash to come out of the 
> Seventh
> U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. In fact, it was the Seventh U.S. Circuit 
> Court
> of Appeals that decided in the Matt Hale Case, that a group which 
> fraudulently
> trademarked the name "World Church of the Creator" despite the fact they 
> knew
> that name had been used by a Church for 30 years, could KEEP the name 
> because
> the church who had used it for 30 years didn't challenge the Trademark 
> filing!
>
> By not challenging the Trademark registration, the people who had used the
> name for years LOST IT.
>
> That decision lead to an order by a lower court for the Church to 
> "surrender
> its Bibles for destruction because they infringed on the trademark" given 
> to
> the fraudsters.
>
> Shortly thereafter, a gunman entered the home of that lower court Judge 
> and
> slaughtered the Judge's mother and husband. Apparently, the 7th U.S. 
> Circuit
> court didn't get the hint after those killings. It appears another lesson 
> is
> needed.
>
> These Judges are traitors to the United States of America. They have
> intentionally violated the Constitution. They have now also intentionally
> ignored a major ruling by the US Supreme Court.
>
> If they are allowed to get away with this by surviving, other Judges will 
> act
> the same way.
>
> These Judges deserve to made such an example of as to send a message to 
> the
> entire judiciary: Obey the Constitution or die.
>
>     Actual Court Decision (pdf)
>   http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/NRAvCicago-GunBanUpheld.pdf
>
>     Full details Here
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=awIn1M4tWxi8&refer=worldwide
>
>
> UPDATE: 0857 HRS - 03 June 2009
>
> Judges official public work addresses and a map of the area are below.
> Their home addresses and maps will follow soon.
>
>
>
> Behold these devils:
>
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uIpart1IM-0/SiZ_LzALHfI/AAAAAAAAAX8/GnNJRGHYlTA/s200/easterbrook.jpg
> Hon. Frank H. Easterbrook
> Chief Judge
> Room 2746
> Everett McKinley Dirksen United States Courthouse
> 219 S. Dearborn Street
> Chicago, IL 60604
>
> Judge Easterbrook's Chambers may be contacted through the Seventh Circuit
> Court of Appeals Clerk's Office at (312) 435-5850.
>
>
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uIpart1IM-0/SiZ_kLkT0yI/AAAAAAAAAYM/z87vHnB5JOo/s200/Richard-A-Posner.jpg
> Hon. Richard A. Posner
> Room 2788F
> Everett McKinley Dirksen United States Courthouse
> 219 S. Dearborn Street
> Chicago, IL 60604
>
> Judge Posner's Chambers may be contacted through the Seventh Circuit Court 
> of
> Appeals Clerk's Office at (312) 435-5850.
>
>
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uIpart1IM-0/SiaC18xo9II/AAAAAAAAAYU/ifKsQaBYD6M/s200/Hon._William_J._Bauer.jpg
> Hon. William J. Bauer
> Room 2754
> Everett McKinley Dirksen United States Courthouse
> 219 S. Dearborn Street
> Chicago, IL 60604
>
> Judge Bauer's Chambers may be contacted through the Seventh Circuit Court 
> of
> Appeals Clerk's Office at (312) 435-5850.
>
>
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>
> Medico Nisaba said...
> Well, don't kill them with a gun; that will only serve to provide 
> ammunition
> (pun intended) against the further destruction of the Second Amendment.
>
> Aren't you proud to be an American, where at least you know you're "free"?
>
> At least that's what everyone has been told all their lives.
>
> Time to reject your programming.
>
> June 2, 2009 11:50:00 PM EDT
>
>
> AryanKnight said...
> -above MN makes a good point, --doing the good deed to such vipers via a
> compound/Bow&Arrow, with a message attached to it, would indeed be most
> ironic!
> -very keenly researched and journalisticly well stated HT, --for it is 
> obvious
> these three low-fellows while being paid by the citizens of Chicago, are
> perverts following orders of their jewZionist kings deRothschild &
> D.Rockefeller, --all of whom regard themselves as cunning 
> elitists, -therefore
> believing they are above the Law! There are many hundreds of thousands, 
> ney
> millions, of citizen Patriots willing to demonstrate support of our 
> precious
> usaConstitition & BoR via swift if bold action, --resulting in stern
> retaliation for this reprehensibly egregious trampling upon our god-given
> rights...
> Witness a powerful multi-part must-see expose of the jewZionist Bank'sters
> NWO...
> [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCFQbjsXzEs ]
>
> June 3, 2009 1:20:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Caucasiannation said...
> To hell with the deck, just start stacking the magazine.
>
> June 3, 2009 1:46:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Prospector said...
> Now I am not a legal expert, but certainly a pro-2nd Ammendment, 
> supporter,
> the 2nd Am. was introduced BY the States to protect the States against a
> Federal Government out of control.
>
> The 2A was instituted to prevent the Fed from enacting laws that would
> infringe against the right of the Citizen of the States to hold and bear 
> arms.
> THAT right is retained by the "State" via the 10th.
>
> With the DC case of Heller, the SC was actually wrong, in deciding in 
> favor of
> the plaintif, since DC is NOT a "State", and therefore not protected under 
> the
> 10 Amendment persay, or the 2nd for that matter, which again is reserved 
> for
> the States.
>
> The States, in order to maintain their 'Sovereignty" under the 10th, can
> pretty much decide what they want and what they don't want. If Illinois
> decides they don't want guns, that is their prerogative, as a State, and 
> it
> lends the option to move out of that state for a state that is more pro 
> gun
> than Ill., which be my definition is the center of criminal/globalist
> bullshit, the armpit of America, next to Detroit that is.
>
> It is GOD who grants me MY rights, not the government. I could care less 
> what
> a few assholes on some court thinks, or their interpretation thereof.
>
>
> vVeryone needs to check their OWN STATE Constitution. Here in Arizona, the
> STATE Constitution forbids the infringment of the Right to bear Arms.
> Here in Arizona, there is NO law that says you can NOT carry a hand gun in 
> a
> holster in the open. Yes, in Arizona, and probably Nevada, you can legally
> strap on a pair of .45's or a glock on your hip or your chest, and proudly
> wear them in public.
>
> Fuck Chicago and their gangster politicians.
>
> June 3, 2009 2:03:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Jim said...
> Every day of the year people die in car accidents, house fires, drug
> overdoses, and sometimes they just disapear especially in Chicago ask Drew
> Peterson. I hope the crooked Chicago political machine does get the state 
> arms
> ban to go through. Then maybe we'll all get off our buts and take care of 
> the
> POSs that are trying to steal our freedoms. When the day comes I'll trade 
> my
> life to win back the freedom that those before me created. I'm still proud 
> to
> be an American and I always will be. It may not be perfect but it is and 
> will
> always be ONE NATION UNDER GOD! so help me GOD.
>
> June 3, 2009 6:26:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Vince said...
> Instead of getting rid of the minority street gangs that are causing most 
> of
> the killings, these asshole lawmakers are going to disarm law abiding 
> people.
> What no good pieces of shit!
>
> June 3, 2009 6:48:00 AM EDT
>
>
> N4CR said...
> Please forgive my confusion being not from the USA but as I understood, 
> the
> constitution was all powerful and could not be infringed.
> Meaning the right to bear arms to form a *well regulated militia* cannot 
> be
> infringed in any way?
>
> Or if it is as you say Hal, then the federal assholes are playing both 
> sides
> of the court. They tell states what to do and bully them, yet now the 
> court
> rules that states can decide these powers by themselves? What the hell is
> going on in USA?
>
> More and more it seems the MSM/govt/PTB etc are playing the confuse 
> game...
> give out lots and lots of information which contradicts itself. This way..
> it's much harder to know what the hell is going on.
>
> June 3, 2009 8:54:00 AM EDT
>
>
> easierthanworking said...
> you are right Hal. Remember Sonia Sotomayor said "this is where policy is
> made". She was referring to the appellate court where she holds sway. 
> Obama
> wants to change America drastically. So drastically that he knows the only 
> way
> he'll be able to do it is by appointing and encouraging non elected 
> federal
> judges to do it for him. Let me explain. Here's a good example. When 
> leaders
> in both our corrupt political parties wanted to cram "comprehensive
> immigration reform", or amnesty for illegals down out throats they thought 
> it
> was a done deal. But we the people caused a meltdown of the Congressional
> switch board and let them know if they passed it they would be voted out 
> of
> office. That we the people would not stand for it. Why did they listen to 
> us?
> Because they knew it would be political suicide to ignore the voters who 
> were
> promising to fire them if they didn't listen. Not so with federal judges. 
> So
> when it comes to amnesty for illegails, even though both parties want to 
> do
> it, they still have to fear the voters. NOT TRUE WITH FEDERAL JUDGES. 
> Obama
> knows federal judges are his ace in the hole. They've never been elected 
> by we
> the people and they are so arrogant they think they can "make policy" from 
> the
> bench as Sotomayor so arrogantly said. They think they can interpret the
> Constitution to mean whatever they want it to mean and nobody can do a 
> damn
> thing about it. If Obama tried to ban guns by having Congress create
> legislation banning guns the citizens would vote them out of office. But 
> the
> citizens cannot vote federal judges out of office. They don't answer to us 
> and
> they think they can just make unconstitutional decisions and no one can 
> remove
> them from office. Who's going to fire them? No one. When the government
> legalized the murder of late term babies and let dr. Tiller murder 60,000 
> of
> them, eventually someone had to stop Tiller. Out of frustration and 
> knowing
> the government was never going to stop him, someone took matters into his 
> own
> hands. Tiller has been removed. What happened was terrible, but was there 
> any
> other option to stop him? If we allow our politicians to use the non 
> elected
> federal judges to strip us of our 2nd. amendment right to bear arms, we'll 
> be
> defensless against them, terrorists and any other thug among us. Our 
> founding
> fatehrs never intended for us to be in that position. It's unacceptablee. 
> Hal
> makes some good points.
> Budmanx
>
> June 3, 2009 9:05:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Pissed Off MadDog said...
> Thomas Jefferson warned us of a run away Judiciary that would sap our
> liberties. They had the same problem with King Georges appointed Judges.
>
> You see, nothing ever changes. Evil men will always conspire against us 
> and
> try to enslave us. It is our duty, no, it is our right under The 
> Declaration
> to throw them off.
>
> It will be interesting to see what our IL. State Rifle Association and the 
> NRA
> will do, and what the evil Gangster Dick(Jabba The Hut) Daley will do.
>
> June 3, 2009 9:05:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Klaatu Barada Nikto said...
> I have resigned myself to the fact that I am a criminal in the cesspool 
> that
> our once great country has become.
>
> The oath that I took to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution 
> makes me
> one.
>
> Now that I am criminal, I don't care what laws they pass. They don't apply 
> to
> me.
>
> June 3, 2009 9:18:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Vaultner said...
> They have no understanding that when the Federal Government was created it
> became the over all governing body & the Constitution enacted as the law 
> of
> the land.
>
> Every thing is supposed to start with the Constitution & work it's way 
> down.
>
> Second amendment:
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State 
> the
> RIGHT of the PEOPLE TO KEEP & BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".
>
> Not privilege, RIGHT.
>
> Tenth Amendment:
> "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, 
> or to
> the people.
>
> "INFRINGEMENT OF THE RIGHT TO KEEP & BEAR ARMS", Is clearly prohibited to 
> the
> States (& municipalities) by the tenth Amendment of the United States
> Constitution, i.e. THE LAW OF THE LAND.
>
> WHAT DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND?!!!!!!!!
>
> Why can't we leave the fourteenth Amendment up to the States? No the 
> Federal
> Government has to have it's say, "one nation indivisible". HA! Only if it
> suits the powers that be.
>
> "On every question of construction, (let us) carry ourselves back to the 
> time
> when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the
> debates, & instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, 
> or
> invented against it, CONFORM TO THE PROBABLE ONE IN WHICH IT WAS PASSED."
> Thomas Jefferson
> (Berg, the writings of Thomas Jefferson, 15:449.)
>
> "(let us) carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was 
> adopted".
>
> There's no mention of a "living document" anywhere in the original 
> construct.
>
> Incidentally "A well regulated militia" means regulation firearms or 
> military
> grade not sporting or hunting rifles but current military grade weapons. 
> "We
> the PEOPLE", "the RIGHT of the PEOPLE", not the governments hired 
> henchmen.
>
> It is our RIGHT as free citizens of the United States of America to keep &
> bear arms!
>
> P.S. 40,000 people die annually from car accidents, while only 30,000 die 
> from
> firearm related incidents.
>
> June 3, 2009 9:21:00 AM EDT
>
>
> carl said...
> Hal,
> it was the u.s. supreme court that ruled the 2nd amendment applies only to 
> the
> federal government:
>
> "But during oral arguments in Chicago last week, Chief Judge Frank 
> Easterbrook
> read to gun-owners' lawyers a key footnote the Supreme Court put into the
> Heller decision: "We re-affirm that the second amendment applies only to 
> the
> federal goverment.""
>
> they slipped it in a "footnote."
>
> remember, the ruling that gave corporations the same human rights that you 
> and
> i have was never made in a court of law or put ito a written opinion.
>
> it was placed above the decision by a unpaid "court reporter."
>
> here, the u.s. supreme court publicly told everyone that the 2nd amendment
> gave gun rights, but HIDDEN inside their decision in a FOOTNOTE they gave
> their REAL decision, "IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!"
>
> this decision REVERSES 100 years of stare decisis that applied the bill of
> rights to the states via the 14th amendment.
>
> sit down for a minute and ponder what this REALLY means.
>
> THE REAL DECISION MENAS THAT THE ENTIRE BILL OF RIGHTS NO LONGER APPLIES 
> TO
> THE STATES!
>
> DID YOU GET THAT?
>
> this decison actually holds that the bill of rights NO LONGER APPLIES TO
> STATES, CCOUNTIES OR CITIES!
>
> this decision by direct implication means that the freedoms of SPEECH, 
> PRESS,
> RELIGION, ASSOCIATION AND THE OTHER FREEDOMS GIVEN I THE BILL OF RIGHTS OR 
> THE
> FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION, NO LONGER APPLY TO ANY GOVERNMENT
> ENTITY OUTSIDE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!
>
> for the first time in 50 years i am speechless!
>
> this means that ALL OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS LEGIISLATION IS HEREBY NULL AND 
> VOID!
>
> THIS MEANS THAT THE STATES ARE FREE TO REGULATE ALL HUMAN BEHAVIOUR AS 
> NEVER
> BEFORE!
>
> IN EFFECT, THIS MEANS THAT THE CIVIL WAR WAS FOUGHT FOR NOTHING!
>
> WE TOLD YOU SO!
>
> this decision takes us back to what the southern states sttated before the
> civil war.
>
> the states entered into a treaty in paris, that stated clearly that they 
> had
> the absoliute right of self determination.
>
> the treaty of paris gave us that right. the civil war revoked it by force 
> of
> arms.
>
> HAL, THIS MEANS THAT THE STATES ALREADY OVERRUN BY FOREIGNERS CAN NOW MAKE
> THEIR OWN IMMIGRATION LAWS!
>
> THIS MEANS THAT EACH STATE CAN DECIDE WHO VOTES!
>
> THIS MEANS THAT THE CONSTITUTION ONLY APPLIES TO FEDERAL ACTIONS, NOT 
> STATES!
>
> IF THE 2ND AMENDMENT ONLY APPLIES TO THE STATES THEN BY DIRECT REFERENCE 
> SO DO
> THE OTHER 9 AMENDMENTS!
>
> June 3, 2009 11:29:00 AM EDT
>
>
> Montana Sky said...
> Prospector: The Bill of Rights applies to all CITIZENS in the U.S. States 
> may
> grant additional rights to it's citizens but may not infringe upon the 
> BoR.
> Therefore the 2nd amendment applies to all of us. Unless you're saying a 
> state
> has the right to determine your right to speak freely, what religion you 
> may
> have, etc.
>
> Truly Pravda was correct: our slide into marxism is happening at a 
> breakneck
> speed. The only postive thing is it will come to a head that much faster.
>
> June 3, 2009 12:06:00 PM EDT
>
>
> The Chairman said...
> Vaultner,
>
> You've got some of it wrong. This is the problem with citing the English
> lexicon from 200 years ago.
>
> Back then, 'well regulated' meant well trained and equipped. 'Militia' 
> meant
> the able bodied men (and women) of the community, aka a posse.
>
> The phrase 'free state' (i.e. state should -not- be capatialized), meant 
> the
> condition of being free (liberty), not a State or political entity.
>
> If your copy of the Constitution has capitalized the word 'state' in the
> verbage of the 2nd amendment, then it has been corrupted during editing 
> (by
> Jews) in order to confound the issue.
>
> The 2nd stands on its own, to protect the People from both state and 
> federal
> tyranny. The 10th is to protect 'rights' (of a State or the People) not
> enumerated.
>
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free 
> state,
> the right of the people to bear arms, shall not be infringed."
>
> ZOG and the Juden publishers have corrupted the Constitution (and the 
> Bible)
> by altering capitalization and punctuation, and hence context.
>
> U.S. is a corporate entity known as the United States (D.C. federal zone), 
> but
> it is not the 'USA'. That's why the preamble references both United States 
> and
> United States of America, there IS a difference.
>
> Arizona is one of the united (no cap) States of America, I am a citizen of 
> the
> republic of Arizona, NOT the United States (federal entity).
>
> In the end, the minutia above doesn't matter, we're going to have to 
> eradicate
> the traitors at all levels: local, state, and federal.
>
> -----
>
> June 3, 2009 12:18:00 PM EDT
>
>
> Harry said...
> Hello,
>
> First of all, Obombo isnot "president of The United States Of America", he 
> is
> president of the government (the governing body - the mechanics of 
> governing
> (the hired help)) Of The United States Of America (We The People are The
> United State Of America, and the land belongs to us, not the hired help).
> Making him president of our Country, makes him president of We The People 
> and
> our States, thus KING of our Nation. In other words Congress doesnot run 
> We
> The People, nor our states anymore than does Obombo.
>
> The reason the gun stuff isnot put on the ballot is because the Jew knows 
> heis
> outnumbered and it wouldnot get the vote. Jew is the one thatis afraid of 
> We
> The People having guns, and if i were a Jew, believe me i wouldnot want
> Christians owning guns.- take a look at the Talmud and what it says about 
> us
> and see what Jew thinks about us. Just like pot: pot is too easy to grow 
> and
> harvest, and everyone would stop with the liver-destroying alcohol and 
> switch
> to pot - bye bye all that lushes cash money flowing into Gov's. coffers.
>
> Now then:
> Itis up to Congress to make charges of Treason and carry out the 
> punishment.
>
> If Congress doesnot charge the cheenky chink with Treason, they should all 
> be
> voted out, so go ahead and do another melt down of the phone lines and 
> tell
> them [since theyare the ones pushing "Democracy", which is nothing more 
> than
> MobRule] "do or die" . . . because/and/or now Congress is an accomplice of 
> a
> person committing Treason. Wha-la Congress has now committed Treason, and
> usually death is the cure for that. The last two people, here in America 
> that
> committed treason, were electrocuted. Perverting the Constitution Of 
> United
> States Of America against We The People is Tyranny. DEATH TO THE TYRANTS.
> SotoMayor is the Trojan Horse in our Government, who marches to the Jew 
> drums,
> according to Jesus in John 8:44 whoare the children of Satan
> http://tinyurl.com/theJew. In Iraq when we went to "war" to steal their 
> oil,
> we had "collateral damage" of innocent women and little children. When we 
> go
> to war here in our own Country, against the invading, Tyrannical, 
> Treasonous
> army, therewill be no "collateral damage" . . . take the American-babies
> killer for example . . . nope, no need for civil war - just crap out the
> instigator and its lackeys. Jesus tells us who is the "instigator" in John
> 8:44 http://tinyurl.com/theJew
>
> Donot get me wrong. I do believe in "abortion" because itis here to stay,
> either in the back alley or in a sterile clinic, however so-called 
> "Late-Term
> Abortion" is murder plain and simple. We should be educating our children
> about human love versus animalistic lust and how to end an impregnation as
> vehemently as weare educating them how to commit Sodomy, oral and anal
> penetration, fisting, and all the other sick-sex acts the children of 
> Satan
> have introduced to Man (Adam). Back in the time of yor, our ancestors
> practiced "abortion" by inserting a stone into the uterus of a camel in 
> order
> to keep her "trucking". If we want to practice "abortion" all we need do 
> is
> insert a stone into our own uterus, and instead of calling it the
> "the-night-after pill", we could call it the "night-after "stone"". 
> Obviously
> thereis a way of doing it without getting infection and/or complications 
> or
> "they" wouldnot have been doing it to their camels upon which their lives
> depended.
>
> Truly
>
> Truth will set you free according to Jesus in John 8:32
> http://tinyurl.com/theJew
>
> Wisdom [is] better than weapons of war: . . . Ecc 9:18
>
> Proof Christians are the "chosen": Rev. 17:14
> Proof "Jew" are the "chosen" of Satan: John 8:44
> Now that Jew have their own Nation, Jew Must Pay Up For Death of
> Our Saviour as per agreement found in Math. 27:25
>
> June 3, 2009 1:50:00 PM EDT
>
>
> Pissed Off MadDog said...
> In the first place the 2nd A reads as follows...."a well regulated militia
> being necessary to the to the security of a free state, the right of the
> people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
>
> This is how it originally read. no extra comma. Makes a BIG difference!!
>
> June 3, 2009 1:59:00 PM EDT
>
>
> rob said...
> what's with the blatant racism/religionism?
>
> June 3, 2009 2:25:00 PM EDT
>
>
> masteropie said...
> I think a gun ban might be a good thing in the sense that we would end up 
> on
> the brink of armed revolution.
>
> June 3, 2009 3:51:00 PM EDT
>
>
> Dave said...
> ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
> (emphasis added) is very unambiguous. The Founding Fathers were very clear 
> in
> their words and meaning.
> Per William Rawle, United States Attorney for Pennsylvania, appointed by
> President George Washington, "No clause in the constitution could by any 
> rule
> of construction be conceived to give congress a power to disarm the 
> people.
> Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence 
> (sic)
> by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power,
> either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint 
> on
> both."
>
> June 3, 2009 6:15:00 PM EDT
>
>
> Harry said...
> Hello,
>
> I just realized something: the law is about "ownership", so before some 
> Jew
> gets ahead of you all, now is the time to open up a gun-rental shop . . . 
> Rent
> a Gun . . .
>
> Truly
>
> Truth will set you free according to Jesus in John 8:32
> http://tinyurl.com/theJew
>
> Wisdom [is] better than weapons of war: . . . Ecc 9:18
>
> Proof Christians are the "chosen": Rev. 17:14
> Proof "Jew" are the "chosen" of Satan: John 8:44 http://tinyurl.com/theJew
>
> Now that Jew have their own Nation, Jew Must Pay Up For Death of Our 
> Saviour
> as per agreement found in Math. 27:25
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> english.pravda.ru
> Avriani newspaper
>
> June 3, 2009 9:40:00 PM EDT
>
>
> Vaultner said...
> Chairman,
> Your arguing the same end, & the largest problem with the so called 
> movement
> "well regulated" meant well trained & equipped. Not heavily engraved 
> hunting
> rifles from various manufactures with no interchangeable parts, but 
> regulation
> as in the same & military quality.
>
> I suppose I've corrupted the same for you by placing some in bold text to 
> show
> emphasis.
>
> I do not give a shit if a bunch of jews got together & declared our 
> Republic a
> Democracy & then a corporate entity.
>
> I was born in a Republic & I'll die in one.
>
> What the fuck did I actually get wrong? The United States Constitution 
> does
> not have an expiration date!
>
> June 3, 2009 9:59:00 PM EDT
>