"tankfixer"  wrote in message
> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>> richard  wrote in
>> >  "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"  wrote:
>> >
>> >>Another victimless "crime"  and another violation of the 2A but as
>> >>usual, the NRA does nothing.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why should the NRA do anything?
>> > Machine guns and silencers have been illegal for decades.
>>
>> That's the question. Why are they illegal.?
>
> They are not illegal..
> Just taxed.

Another pig-ignorant military fool.

Try converting a semi-auto AR15 or SKS into a full-auto and see what happens
when the feds knock on your door. Of for that matter just possess an 
auto-sear
without any gun to put it into and see what happens, jackass.

U.S. ARMY SOLDIER ARRESTED FOR ILLEGAL SALE
OF AUTOMATIC FIREARMS OBTAINED IN IRAQ


Greenbelt, Maryland - Leonard Stephan Lockley, age 26, of Bowie, Maryland, 
was arrested yesterday on charges of receiving, possessing, and selling 
machine guns that he secreted out of Iraq while deployed as an Army soldier 
near Baghdad, announced United States Attorney for the District of Maryland 
Rod J. Rosenstein. The criminal complaint was filed on March 12, 2007 and 
unsealed today.



United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein stated, "Whenever we catch a 
criminal using a gun, we ask ATF to trace the gun to the source. We must 
stop the flow of illegal guns to criminals."



According to court documents, in October 2003 a witness observed Lockley 
placing the component parts of four AK-47-style rifles into a large black 
metal chest containing a false bottom. At the time, Lockley was deployed 
near Baghdad, Iraq under orders from the U.S. Army. Lockley told the witness 
that he had the chest with the false bottom made and was using it to send 
the AK-47's to the United States. In mid- to late-2003, a second witness 
also observed Lockley in possession of at least four firearms, which the 
second witness described as AK-47 style rifles and a machine gun. Lockley 
told this second witness that he purchased the firearms from an Iraqi and 
planned to send them back to the United States in a box with a false bottom, 
which he showed to the witness.



Lockley was redeployed to the United States in February 2004. In March, Omar 
Holmes received a telephone call from a person who stated that he knew 
someone who had fully automatic "AKs" for sale. The caller gave the phone to 
a second person whom Holmes recognized as a childhood friend, Lockley. 
Lockley and Holmes agreed on a purchase price of $6,000 for five firearms. 
They met at a predetermined location in Prince George's County where Lockley 
removed a large, green "Army-type" bag from the trunk and showed Holmes four 
firearms. They then went to a warehouse area located on Frohlich Lane in 
Hyattsville, Maryland and test-fired at least two of the weapons in fully 
automatic mode. Holmes and others gave Lockley $4,000 or $5,000 for the four 
firearms. These weapons were later used in a series of bank robberies in the 
Washington metropolitan area. Holmes has since pled guilty to charges 
related to those bank robberies. Lockley has not been charged for those 
offenses.



On July 16, 2004, FBI and ATF agents investigating a bank robbery recovered 
a German model AKM 7.62x39mm rifle, Romanian model AIM rifle, a Saudi 
Arabian model AK-47 rifle and a Chinese model AK-47, all of which functioned 
in the semi-automatic and fully automatic modes. Further investigation 
connected cartridge casings recovered from Frohlich Lane in Hyattsville to 
these firearms, which were not legally registered to any person. The 
witnesses identified photographs of the firearms as the ones they saw in 
Lockley's possession in Iraq in 2003, and the individual identified them as 
being the firearms he had bought from Lockley.



Lockley faces a maximum sentence of 5 years in prison followed by 3 years of 
supervised release for receiving an unlawfully imported firearm; 10 years in 
prison followed by 3 years of supervised release for illegally possessing a 
machine gun; and 10 years in prison followed by 3 years of supervised 
release for illegally transferring an unregistered firearm. Lockley had his 
initial appearance in U.S. District Court today.



A complaint is not a finding of guilt. An individual charged by complaint is 
presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty at some later criminal 
proceedings.



United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein praised the investigative work 
performed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Army 
Criminal Investigative Division, and other federal agencies. Mr. Rosenstein 
thanked Assistant U.S. Attorney Stacy Belf, who is prosecuting the case.

"=> Reality Check© <="  wrote in
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> 
> "tankfixer"  wrote in message
>> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>>> richard  wrote in
>>> >  "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" 
>>> >  wrote: 
>>> >
>>> >>Another victimless "crime"  and another violation of the 2A but as
>>> >>usual, the NRA does nothing.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Why should the NRA do anything?
>>> > Machine guns and silencers have been illegal for decades.
>>>
>>> That's the question. Why are they illegal.?
>>
>> They are not illegal..
>> Just taxed.
> 
> Another pig-ignorant military fool.
> 
> Try converting a semi-auto AR15 or SKS into a full-auto and see what
> happens when the feds knock on your door. Of for that matter just
> possess an auto-sear
> without any gun to put it into and see what happens, jackass.

That is not because it was full auto, it was because it was an illegal 
conversion.  You are not a licensed manufacturer.  Full auto weaponry is 
perfectly legal to own as long as it was legally manufactured prior to 
1986.  Some states do make possession of a full auto firearm illegal but 
the feds don't as long as you have the stamp and it is registered.

> U.S. ARMY SOLDIER ARRESTED FOR ILLEGAL SALE
> OF AUTOMATIC FIREARMS OBTAINED IN IRAQ
> 
> 
> Greenbelt, Maryland - Leonard Stephan Lockley, age 26, of Bowie,
> Maryland, was arrested yesterday on charges of receiving, possessing,
> and selling machine guns that he secreted out of Iraq while deployed
> as an Army soldier near Baghdad, announced United States Attorney for
> the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein. The criminal complaint was
> filed on March 12, 2007 and unsealed today.

Again, that is not due to the firearms being full auto, it is due to the 
fact that he is not class III dealer and the firearms were probably 
manufactured after 1986 or illegally imported.

> United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein stated, "Whenever we catch a 
> criminal using a gun, we ask ATF to trace the gun to the source. We
> must stop the flow of illegal guns to criminals."
> 
> 
> 
> According to court documents, in October 2003 a witness observed
> Lockley placing the component parts of four AK-47-style rifles into a
> large black metal chest containing a false bottom. At the time,
> Lockley was deployed near Baghdad, Iraq under orders from the U.S.
> Army. Lockley told the witness that he had the chest with the false
> bottom made and was using it to send the AK-47's to the United States.

Obviously, he knew that the activity he was indulged in was illegal.

> In mid- to late-2003, a second witness also observed Lockley in
> possession of at least four firearms, which the second witness
> described as AK-47 style rifles and a machine gun. Lockley told this
> second witness that he purchased the firearms from an Iraqi and 
> planned to send them back to the United States in a box with a false
> bottom, which he showed to the witness.
> 
> 
> 
> Lockley was redeployed to the United States in February 2004. In
> March, Omar Holmes received a telephone call from a person who stated
> that he knew someone who had fully automatic "AKs" for sale. The
> caller gave the phone to a second person whom Holmes recognized as a
> childhood friend, Lockley. Lockley and Holmes agreed on a purchase
> price of $6,000 for five firearms. They met at a predetermined
> location in Prince George's County where Lockley removed a large,
> green "Army-type" bag from the trunk and showed Holmes four firearms.
> They then went to a warehouse area located on Frohlich Lane in 
> Hyattsville, Maryland and test-fired at least two of the weapons in
> fully automatic mode. Holmes and others gave Lockley $4,000 or $5,000
> for the four firearms. These weapons were later used in a series of
> bank robberies in the Washington metropolitan area. Holmes has since
> pled guilty to charges related to those bank robberies. Lockley has
> not been charged for those offenses.
> 
> 
> 
> On July 16, 2004, FBI and ATF agents investigating a bank robbery
> recovered a German model AKM 7.62x39mm rifle, Romanian model AIM
> rifle, a Saudi Arabian model AK-47 rifle and a Chinese model AK-47,
> all of which functioned in the semi-automatic and fully automatic
> modes. Further investigation connected cartridge casings recovered
> from Frohlich Lane in Hyattsville to these firearms, which were not
> legally registered to any person. The witnesses identified photographs
> of the firearms as the ones they saw in Lockley's possession in Iraq
> in 2003, and the individual identified them as being the firearms he
> had bought from Lockley. 
> 
> 
> 
> Lockley faces a maximum sentence of 5 years in prison followed by 3
> years of supervised release for receiving an unlawfully imported
> firearm; 

As I noted above..

10 years in prison followed by 3 years of supervised release
> for illegally possessing a machine gun; 

No stamp or registration.  Those were the issues not simply the fact that 
they were full auto.

and 10 years in prison
> followed by 3 years of supervised release for illegally transferring
> an unregistered firearm. 

As I noted abov e.

Lockley had his initial appearance in U.S.
> District Court today. 
> 
> 
> 
> A complaint is not a finding of guilt. An individual charged by
> complaint is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty at some
> later criminal proceedings.
> 
> 
> 
> United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein praised the investigative
> work performed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
> Explosives, Army Criminal Investigative Division, and other federal
> agencies. Mr. Rosenstein thanked Assistant U.S. Attorney Stacy Belf,
> who is prosecuting the case. 



-- 
RD (The Sandman)

Thought for the day.......

Handle every stressful situation like a dog would.

If you can't eat it or hump it....Piss on it and walk away.

On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:40:58 -0600, "=> Reality Check© <="
 wrote something wonderfully witty:

>
>"tankfixer"  wrote in message
>> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>>> richard  wrote in
>>> >  "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Another victimless "crime"  and another violation of the 2A but as
>>> >>usual, the NRA does nothing.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Why should the NRA do anything?
>>> > Machine guns and silencers have been illegal for decades.
>>>
>>> That's the question. Why are they illegal.?
>>
>> They are not illegal..
>> Just taxed.
>
>Another pig-ignorant military fool.
>
>Try converting a semi-auto AR15 or SKS into a full-auto and see what happens
>when the feds knock on your door. Of for that matter just possess an 
>auto-sear
>without any gun to put it into and see what happens, jackass.
>
Your referenced story doesn't prove your point.  As a matter of fact
when carefully read it actually proves the original point that
fully-automatic firearms are not "illegal", but simply have to follow
some rules.  The statement in the article is "these firearms, which
were not legally registered to any person".  

There are/were also multiple other crimes involved, such as smuggling,
gun-running, violation of importation rules excreta, but what made the
firearms themselves "illegal" is the fact that they were not
registered.  More of a Tax thing then anything else.


>U.S. ARMY SOLDIER ARRESTED FOR ILLEGAL SALE
>OF AUTOMATIC FIREARMS OBTAINED IN IRAQ
>
>
>Greenbelt, Maryland - Leonard Stephan Lockley, age 26, of Bowie, Maryland, 
>was arrested yesterday on charges of receiving, possessing, and selling 
>machine guns that he secreted out of Iraq while deployed as an Army soldier 
>near Baghdad, announced United States Attorney for the District of Maryland 
>Rod J. Rosenstein. The criminal complaint was filed on March 12, 2007 and 
>unsealed today.
>
>
>
>United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein stated, "Whenever we catch a 
>criminal using a gun, we ask ATF to trace the gun to the source. We must 
>stop the flow of illegal guns to criminals."
>
>
>
>According to court documents, in October 2003 a witness observed Lockley 
>placing the component parts of four AK-47-style rifles into a large black 
>metal chest containing a false bottom. At the time, Lockley was deployed 
>near Baghdad, Iraq under orders from the U.S. Army. Lockley told the witness 
>that he had the chest with the false bottom made and was using it to send 
>the AK-47's to the United States. In mid- to late-2003, a second witness 
>also observed Lockley in possession of at least four firearms, which the 
>second witness described as AK-47 style rifles and a machine gun. Lockley 
>told this second witness that he purchased the firearms from an Iraqi and 
>planned to send them back to the United States in a box with a false bottom, 
>which he showed to the witness.
>
>
>
>Lockley was redeployed to the United States in February 2004. In March, Omar 
>Holmes received a telephone call from a person who stated that he knew 
>someone who had fully automatic "AKs" for sale. The caller gave the phone to 
>a second person whom Holmes recognized as a childhood friend, Lockley. 
>Lockley and Holmes agreed on a purchase price of $6,000 for five firearms. 
>They met at a predetermined location in Prince George's County where Lockley 
>removed a large, green "Army-type" bag from the trunk and showed Holmes four 
>firearms. They then went to a warehouse area located on Frohlich Lane in 
>Hyattsville, Maryland and test-fired at least two of the weapons in fully 
>automatic mode. Holmes and others gave Lockley $4,000 or $5,000 for the four 
>firearms. These weapons were later used in a series of bank robberies in the 
>Washington metropolitan area. Holmes has since pled guilty to charges 
>related to those bank robberies. Lockley has not been charged for those 
>offenses.
>
>
>
>On July 16, 2004, FBI and ATF agents investigating a bank robbery recovered 
>a German model AKM 7.62x39mm rifle, Romanian model AIM rifle, a Saudi 
>Arabian model AK-47 rifle and a Chinese model AK-47, all of which functioned 
>in the semi-automatic and fully automatic modes. Further investigation 
>connected cartridge casings recovered from Frohlich Lane in Hyattsville to 
>these firearms, which were not legally registered to any person. The 
>witnesses identified photographs of the firearms as the ones they saw in 
>Lockley's possession in Iraq in 2003, and the individual identified them as 
>being the firearms he had bought from Lockley.
>
>
>
>Lockley faces a maximum sentence of 5 years in prison followed by 3 years of 
>supervised release for receiving an unlawfully imported firearm; 10 years in 
>prison followed by 3 years of supervised release for illegally possessing a 
>machine gun; and 10 years in prison followed by 3 years of supervised 
>release for illegally transferring an unregistered firearm. Lockley had his 
>initial appearance in U.S. District Court today.
>
>
>
>A complaint is not a finding of guilt. An individual charged by complaint is 
>presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty at some later criminal 
>proceedings.
>
>
>
>United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein praised the investigative work 
>performed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Army 
>Criminal Investigative Division, and other federal agencies. Mr. Rosenstein 
>thanked Assistant U.S. Attorney Stacy Belf, who is prosecuting the case.
>
>
>

-- 

Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

In article , reality@check.it 
says...
> 
> "tankfixer"  wrote in message
> > xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
> >> richard  wrote in
> >> >  "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Another victimless "crime"  and another violation of the 2A but as
> >> >>usual, the NRA does nothing.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why should the NRA do anything?
> >> > Machine guns and silencers have been illegal for decades.
> >>
> >> That's the question. Why are they illegal.?
> >
> > They are not illegal..
> > Just taxed.
> 
> Another pig-ignorant military fool.

I could care less what you are. 
you are still wrong.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m

> 
> Try converting a semi-auto AR15 or SKS into a full-auto and see what happens
> when the feds knock on your door. Of for that matter just possess an 
> auto-sear
> without any gun to put it into and see what happens, jackass.

Were that fool who tried to get me to sell discarded M16 parts to you 
years ago at that gun show ?
Dave and I thought that was pretty funny.

> 
> U.S. ARMY SOLDIER ARRESTED FOR ILLEGAL SALE
> OF AUTOMATIC FIREARMS OBTAINED IN IRAQ
> 
> 
> Greenbelt, Maryland - Leonard Stephan Lockley, age 26, of Bowie, Maryland, 
> was arrested yesterday on charges of receiving, possessing, and selling 
> machine guns that he secreted out of Iraq while deployed as an Army soldier 
> near Baghdad, announced United States Attorney for the District of Maryland 
> Rod J. Rosenstein. The criminal complaint was filed on March 12, 2007 and 
> unsealed today.
> 
> 
> 
> United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein stated, "Whenever we catch a 
> criminal using a gun, we ask ATF to trace the gun to the source. We must 
> stop the flow of illegal guns to criminals."
> 
> 
> 
> According to court documents, in October 2003 a witness observed Lockley 
> placing the component parts of four AK-47-style rifles into a large black 
> metal chest containing a false bottom. At the time, Lockley was deployed 
> near Baghdad, Iraq under orders from the U.S. Army. Lockley told the witness 
> that he had the chest with the false bottom made and was using it to send 
> the AK-47's to the United States. In mid- to late-2003, a second witness 

That your cousin ?



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